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COURTESY OF THE VIERA CO.
Looking northeast, an aerial view The proposed mall site is just north of
shows Red Bug Lake Road on right the Target store bordering Red Bug •4> :'' :;�i <:;;. " t'°°°`°'
intersecting with the Central Florida Lake Road. In the top left corner are <'::, '>'» >>" :::::::::::400.:::::: tij *,.
GreeneWay at the top of the photo. homes in the Tuscawilla subdivision. ': ::' _> W I N T E R f: ,...' SEMINOLE
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By Will Wellons club community to the north. However, r>' T U S C A W I L L A
regional planners have major concerns
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ing through Tuscawilla have focused approved and is under construction. `s k;>f>;'* `' °>: Possible
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Malt site may cause occasional traffic jams
TRAFFIC from 1 Central Florida Regional Planning Council, said the
mall development is possible if certain road improve-
.
With additional development at Oviedo Crossing, ments are made, such as the widening of Red Bug
the total trips each day could reach more than 95,000. Lake Road from four to six lanes east of Tuskawilla
About a quarter of the vehicles going into Oviedo Road
Crossing would enter through the proposed access Staff members of the planning council, an agency
off Winter Springs Boulevard,traffic studies show. that reviews large developments, will offer recom-
Oviedo Crossing is expected to cause occasional mendations on Oviedo Crossing to Seminole county
traffic jams along Red Bug Lake Road and at key in- commissioners.
tersections along State Road 434 through Oviedo, ac- Milch predicts the mall and other development at
cording to planners reviewing the project. Oviedo Crossing would stress the entire road net-
Winter Springs Mayor John Bush said at a recent work, especially the intersection of Mitchell Ham-
meeting with Oviedo City Council members that the mock Road and State Road 434.
Winter Springs traffic consultants told them the de- That is going to be a really bad intersection,"
•velopment cannot work. Milch said.
• Bush asked Oviedo commissioners, "Will it be de- He doubted that Oviedo Crossing would ever be
velopers over people and communities,or people and built to full capacity.Most of the discussion with de-
communities over developers?" velopers has concentrated on finding room for 45,000
b However,project manager Michael Bryant said de- trips for the mall and a medical complex.
velopers chose the site because of its proximity to 'This is definitely maxing out the roadways in the
.the Central Florida GreeneWay and Red Bug Lake area," Milch said about the mall and other develop-
. :Road. ment proposed for the project's second phase.Under
{ "We chose this site because of the strength of its state growth laws, developers must show the roads
•road network," said Bryant of the Rouse Co., the can handle the traffic before construction continues
a mall builder. on later phases.
i Transportation experts say that the mall is possi- A third proposed phase of Oviedo Crossing would
ble,but the road system is not perfect. include a 120-bed hospital, more medical offices,
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Fred Mitch, chief of project review for the East shops and several fast-food restaurants.
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Oviedo
Crossing
up in air
Developers mull plans
in wake of county vote
By Will Welions and Robert Perez
OF THE SEMNn STIFF
SANFORD — Stunned developers of a proposed
regional mall are debating their next move after the
Seminole County Commission put the controversial
project on hold Wednesday.
In a 1:30 am. vote, commissioners delayed sending
the 435-acre project to the state for review,leaving plans
for the mall and surrounding development in limbo.
One option being considered by developers of Oviedo
Crossing, which includes the 1.2 million-square-foot
mall north of Red Bug Lake Road, is annexing into
Oviedo sooner than planned.That would take final ap-
proval of the project out of the county's hands.
Commissioners warned that becoming part of
Oviedo before a final county OK would be counter-
productive and could lead to legal challenges.Oviedo
has planned all along to annex the mall site after the
county gives its blessing.
However,Mike Bryant of The Rouse Co.,the mall
builder,said,"We're not going to do anything rash."
Although all five said they want the mall,Commis-
sion Chairman Randy Morris and commissioners
Win Adams and Daryl McLain voted against moving
the project forward,citing nagging traffic problems.
Commissioners Pat Warren and Dick Van Der
Weide voted in favor of sending it to the state De-
partment of Community Affairs for review.
Adams and McIain's votes were reversals from
last week, when both supported Oviedo Crossing as
members of the East Central Florida Regional Plan-
ning Council.
Warren,whose district includes the mall site, said
because of approvals by the planning council and the
county's planning board, the mall should have been q sQ 3 3 a
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Commissioners still had traffic concerns '
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planned. is no general support for the project. Its
way can do that," vote Wednesday, however, showed
Kantor said. his insistence that all questions be
approved. Warren also cited Winter McLain said asking for mole in- answered before it is allowed to pro-
Sxings and Oviedo settling differ- formation is warranted. coed,he said.
ewes over a critical mall entrance "I will not be responsible fir pass- Commissioners voted to continue
road this month. ing something and seven years the discussion April 25.
"I was shocked we did not trans down the road sit back and see a Tom Ross, attorney for the
mit,"she said. congestion problem,that is too Tuscawilla Homeowners Associ-
Oviedo Crossing, developed by much for a community to bear,"he ation, was pleased that county de-
The Visas Co.,also includes a medi- said. tided to take another look at traffic.
cal oompior,restaurants and offices. Adams defended his yes vote last He called Oviedo Crossing a mega-
Bindlnea;Offloads,Gayfers and two week on the planning council. It development that is inappropriate
other department stores are expect- was"almost a rubber stamp"vote to in a residential area
ed to anchor the mall. show unanimous support for the City leaders from Oviedo and
Marris led the move to seek traf- pmject,.he said. Winter Springs were surprised that
fic figures that look beyond 2000, I voted that way knowing fill the County Commission did not fol-
when the project is expected to be well that the vote would come back low their lead. Last week,the cities
finished. He said he wants assur- to us at the county,"he said,adding decided not to sue each other over
antes that the project would not that he still has problems with the the mall
cause gridlock within five years. traffic that would be created by the "I don't understand why the
But Hal Kantor, the developer's mall county did not factor in what the
attorney, said that means anticipet- McLain said his vote at the plan- two cities have done," Winter
ing development that is not yet ning council meeting conveyed his Springs Mayor John Bush said.
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Tuscawilla residents fear cut-through traffic
MALL from K-1 LL day.
"The cut-through is going to be
Winter Springs Mayor John Bush. minimal,"Jackson said.
"I don't want to go back and All of these restrictions to Most mall traffic, he said, will
have to do this all over again," he shy away from driving down roof-
said. stop U-turns are not go- dental streets because they can•Morris'suggestion for a mall en- In t0 S(O U-turns. travel on widened sections of
trance from S.R. 426 surprised g P Tuskawilla Road and Red Bug
Winter Springs Commissioner —Steve Godfrey Lake Road.
John Ferring, who helped negoti- , County engineers agree with
ate the pact. Jackson's prediction.
Ferring said Morris' suggestion and Viera would be able to build But Steve Godfrey, a traffic en-
would cause much more cut- an unrestricted entrance from gineer for the Tuscawilla Home-
through traffic because shoppers Winter Spring Boulevard, they owners Association,disagrees.
would just go all the way down said. Under the current design, He told county commissioners
Winter Springs Boulevard and mall shoppers could not cut as many as 7,000 cars a day would
turn into an entrance on S.R.426. through Tuscawilla on Winter travel though the community on
"A parallel road to 426 would Springs Boulevard and turn in to Northern Way to get to the mall—
have a tremendous negative im- the mall, and mall traffic could that would be three times what a
pact on this community," Ferring not turn right to drive through residential street should take, he
said. Tuscawilla. said.
Why make the deal? Springs The settlement gives Winter Godfrey is not convinced the
y permission to patrol Win- Winter Springs Boulevard en-
ter Springs into Oviedo to catch trance will stop traffic. Motorists
Rouse and Viera agreed to pay mall traffic that attempt U-turns. will be so close to the mall, they
Winter Springs $1 million if the "You try to fight for the best will find a way to get in the en-
city allows the mall entrance to deal you can get,"Ferring said. trance,he said.
cross a city-controlled easement Commissioners said the most at- "All of these restrictions to stop
along the southern edge of tractive piece of the settlement is U-turns are not going to stop U-
Tuscawilla. 20 acres that the city can annex. turns,"Godfrey said.
Winter Springs commissioners That land, south of Tuscawilla, Ross said the real conflict will
have taken criticism for some could lead to further city growth. come after the mall is built.
Tuscawilla residents for cutting a "That land is bigger than any "Soon,you are going to have the
deal with developers. Many have dollar figure to me," Commission- battle of those that want conven-
called it a sellout. er David McLeod said. ience and those that want protec-
Until this settlement, Winter tion,"he said.
Springs was unanimously op- Cut-through traffic debate What's next?
posed to an entrance from the
main road into Tuscawilla. Worries over traffic seem to be On April 10, Winter Springs
"When the pragmatic solution, the sole trouble spot for this 150- commissioners are expected to
in its pristine cor.echress, is con- store mall that would include Bur- consider terminating the ease-
fused with the right thing to do, dine's, Dillard's and Gayfer's and ment on Tuscawilla's southern
money and power will win out two other anchors. edge if the county and the state
over principle every time," said The mall just east of the Central approved the mall — a require-
Tuscawilla resident Jim Mathews. Florida GreeneWay would draw ment of the deal.A public hearing
Tuscawilla attorney Tom Ross shoppers from Seminole and east is expected later this month.
says it more bluntly, "Winter Orange County. Although the commissioners are
Springs got paid off." For more than a year, the most expected to approve the move,
Winter Springs commissioners hotly debated point has been how mall opponents want city voters to
said the deal was an attempt to many of the potential 96,000 auto get the final say through a refer-
protect the city. A majority of the trips from Oviedo Crossing will endum.
commissioners said they did not travel through Tuscawilla. Former Commissioner Paul Par-
believe the city would have been Tim Jackson, a traffic consul- tyke told the county commission-
able to defend their easement tant for the developer, said the ers last week that plans are under
against condemnation by Oviedo. maximum through-trips in way to gather signatures for a pop-
Without the easement, Rouse Tuscawilla would be 5,500 cars a ular vote.
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"�rs's Saving the past: John Baker is
frustrated. Folks don't listen
��t Eby% a ut much to history preservationists;Him ftRil 40 much
sr..., y##F ; they
revered by later appreciate erationswill be
�:., i ii ' ct As you may recall, I've reported
'{'s; c l—�' �>$' ,l d i in this space that he's keen on pre-
; :p " t' tld ;E . serving the building that housed
Winter Springs' first city govern-
ment, and before that the land
on Boyett company that started what was
first The V page of North Orlando.
OUR,COUNTY Baker has gathered a collection
of artifacts denoting the city's rel-
atively brief history—35 years-
Almost all drivers and placed them in one room of
t, the small building at State Road
for fors Tort cuts 434 and Fairfax Avenue.
The City Commission, with an
' t tolls for thee: Some people selling the building, has or-
living in Tuscawilla worry: eye to.eye to bids be taken, and three
Should a mall be built nearby, have been received. What Baker
that outsiders might cut through fears is that it will be sold without
their neighborhood going to and much debate and that one day
fM residents will wake up and ask
I can appreciate their concerns. why they have no history pre-
I think of them each time a car served.
zips past on the street alongside About the building, I don't
my house, a favorite cut-through know.But for sure,there ought to
for Tuscawilla residents going to be a debate on it and something
and from Maitland Center. should be done to preserve what
I also think of it as I cut Baker has started. No need for
through a Casselberry neighbor- residents to kick themselves after
hood en route from work to home. it's too late to do anything.
John Donne said it well: No
man is an island.
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Letters to the editor
Infrastructure not in place around Tuscawilla. However, unless solved, these
Oviedo C problems will degrade the quality of life for all in the
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to support Oviedo mall tam, area around the mall site.Now is the time to become
aware before it's too late for all of us.
THE SENTINEL'S,March 6 editorial and a group H-4 Schlceman
of letters from Oviedo Crossing mall proponents WINTER SPRINGS
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have prompted me to offer a differing opinion. Some
95,000 additional car trips a day—brought by the en-
tire Oviedo Crossing project—along the roads near
the mall,a figure in Viera and Rouse's own Develop-
ment of Regional Impact document, will paralyze
traffic in this area. The roads already are congested
at peak hours. The infrastructure is simply not in
place to support traffic brought by a mall, and there
are no foreseeable plans to remedy the situation.
Quality of life is an intangible but important part
of what everyone seeks,and certainly the mall's con-
venience will benefit those of us who live in and
9so it(o �
Developer offers to span
GreeneWay with bridge
Mall developer looks for an acceptable plan
BY TIMOTHY ALLEN CONKLIN
STAFF REPORTER OF THE OVIEDO VOICE
With its hearing in front of the
Seminole County Commission less Commission chairman Randy
than a week away the Viera Company
Morris. who voted against transmit-
than port two malls.
and Rouse Company are now propos- !al of the mall plan last month, said "Our site is superior, our demo-
ing building a bridge are now
the Cen- he was pleased by the efforts of the graphics are'superior, and there are
tral Grbridge c to facilitate
developer. "We've been talking to several other points that make our site
traffic Florida F Bow to and from the proposed (Rouse and Viera) for a number of but declined other,"McCarthy said,
Marketplace at and
Oviedo Crossing. months about potential traffic prob- but he declined to comment. on
The proposed overpass, which leas," he said. This overpass has whether plans an east Orange.man would
would begin at SR J overpass
and Douglas come up as an option to resolve some kill Plans for an Oviedo si mall."That's
Avenue and cross over thenreeneuas °(those problems. really a-Rouse decision for them to
would cost $5 million for reeneu c- l th d{s,2 �� answer"he said.
lion and land acquisition, and the to-
manager d°` Michael Bryant, Rouses project
t yt nc'resGthin'thciely
al cost of such cbridge would exceed
prelyLn°ai gec:or manager for the Oviedo mall, could
$7million, according to Thomas If the developer andlh is_ not be reached for comment Wednes-
M millio, director of land dcyelo -
day. As for how Rouse and Viera
newt for the Victo Co. "Those nom- Sion were to agree on the bridge op- might fare Tuesday night,McCarthy
lion, it would render the previous said, "Anything can happen. We're
bers are of a very preliminary nature." settlement agreement between the going in and looking for
McCarthy added. City of Winter Springs and the City approval."
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The bridge option will come be- of Oviedo moot, as the developer approval."
fore the commission April 25. when
it will decide whether to reconsider would no Winter have to utilize any
its 3-2 rejection of the mall plan last land in Winter Springs'domain.
month. Another option being The developer is also feeling
posed would call for a parallel road in trying hat Doomushnthe wall plan
to be built south of Winter Springs through the commission. The Simon
Boulevard.
Group"There are three options being orb a mall in�ea t rOratngeCount,g
discussed,but only one is on the table less than eight miles from the pro-
for approval," McCarthy said, refer-
ring to the original plan to access the site.posed
cast Orange a site has already Oviedo
mall from Winter Springs Boulevard. been approved ae sec has tl
When asked which option the county is unlikely that the ra egion lcould sup,
commission might ultimately pursue.
McCarthy said. "I don't know'. Quite
frankly.we're going to go to the meet-
ing Tuesday (light and see what the
desires of the board are and proceed
from there."
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