HomeMy WebLinkAbout2012 08 07 Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee Regular Meeting Minutes CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA
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AUGUST 7, 2012
CALL TO ORDER
The Regular Meeting of Tuesday, August 7, 2012 of the Parks And Recreation Advisory
Committee was called to Order by Chairperson Arnie Nussbaum at 7:01 p.m., in the Commission
Chambers of the Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs,
Florida 32708).
Roll Call:
Chairperson Arnie Nussbaum, present
Vice Chairperson Pamela Carroll, present
Committee Member Joseph Bonura, present
Committee Member Arsenio Calle, present
Committee Member Yvonne Froscher, present
Committee Member Arthur Gallo, present
Committee Member Geoffrey Kendrick, present
Committee Member Clare Mumey, present
Assistant to the City Clerk Sean Beaudet, present
Assistant to the City Clerk Cherilyn Taylor, present
A moment of silence was held for the victims of the shootings in Colorado and Wisconsin and
for their families, for Parks And Recreation Advisory Committee Member Larry Brickel, and for
our service members. The Pledge of Allegiance followed.
Chairperson Nussbaum inquired with Staff about Agenda Changes and stated, "There is just one
Agenda Change at this time, if we could swap out `606' and `605'."
INFORMATIONAL AGENDA
INFORMATIONAL
100. Not Used
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CONSENT AGENDA
CONSENT
200. Office Of The City Clerk
Requesting Approval Of The February 7, 2012 Parks And Recreation Advisory Committee
Regular Official Meeting Minutes.
No discussion.
201. Office Of The City Clerk
Requesting Approval Of The May, 1, 2012 Parks And Recreation Advisory Committee
Regular Official Meeting Minutes.
There was no discussion on this Agenda Item.
Chairperson Nussbaum suggested Agenda Items "200" and "201"be approved as the Consent
Agenda and remarked, "Motion to Approve?"
"MOVE TO APPROVE." MOTION BY VICE CHAIRPERSON CARROLL.
SECONDED. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMITTEE MEMBER MUMEY: AYE
CHAIRPERSON NUSSBAUM: AYE
COMMITTEE MEMBER BONURA: AYE
VICE CHAIRPERSON CARROLL: AYE
COMMITTEE MEMBER FROSHER: AYE
COMMITTEE MEMBER CALLE: AYE
COMMITTEE MEMBER GALLO: AYE
COMMITTEE MEMBER KENDRICK: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
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400. REPORTS
Assistant to the City Clerk Sean Beaudet referred to Ordinance Number 2012-08 and briefly
reviewed portions of the Ordinance with the Committee.
PUBLIC INPUT
No one addressed the Committee Members at this time.
PUBLIC HEARINGS AGENDA
PUBLIC HEARINGS
500. Not Used
Related to other City business, Mr. Chris Caldwell, Director, Parks and Recreation Department
mentioned, "I do want to extend an invitation to our Potluck Luau which I've handed all the
flyers out."
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600. Parks And Recreation Department
Requesting The Parks And Recreation Advisory Committee Receive Information Related
To Special Events And Recap Of The Celebration Of Freedom Financial Report.
Regarding the Celebration of Freedom event, Mr. Caldwell stated, "We appreciate the folks who
did come out to the event, as we like to continue to invite our Advisory Board to all of our
events. We were able to do it at no cost to our taxpayers." Mr. Caldwell added, "We had
approximately twenty thousand dollars ($20,000.00) in some revenue and sponsorships; and we
had approximately eighteen hundred dollars ($1,800.00) in expenses."
Mr. Caldwell then stated, "We've been directed by our Commission to provide a very family-
oriented community event." Furthermore, Mr. Caldwell said to the Advisory Committee
Members, "We would really like to hear any feedback or input from you all if you've heard
anything that we could do to improve the event. Financially, I think we're doing a good job on it,
but we would like to hear from you all if there's something you'd like to see us do or try."
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Vice Chairperson Pamela Carroll shared feedback from some residents regarding the hospitality
area and stated, "This year several folks commented that because it was fenced off with the
orange plastic fence that it made it look very off-limits and they wondered why certain people
who weren't at all affiliated with the City of Winter Springs or even Winter Springs residents
were allowed to go in." With this in mind, Vice Chairperson Carroll suggested, "Perhaps a less
formidable fencing arrangement and then maybe a little sign that says `This area is reserved for
our Sponsors' -just a polite way of letting the citizenry know that it is there but it is there for a
special reason."
Mr. Caldwell remarked, "We did have some guests that were back there that didn't wear their
nametags." Mr. Caldwell further mentioned, "I think because we moved it back this year to
where we wanted it to be a little bit away from the general public it accomplished what we were
hoping for. I'm sure that there's always going to be some people that don't know all of the
factors that are involved in trying to do something like that. But we appreciate those comments."
Next, Vice Chairperson Carroll remarked, "It's just a perception thing by the citizens." If you
have a sign relating to Sponsors, then at least it softens it."
Committee Member Arsenio Calle pointed out, "I think Pam (Carroll) has a very good
observation; however, no matter what you do there's going to be people that are going to feel
like they should be invited also." Continuing, Committee Member Calle stated, "Chris
(Caldwell), I just want to congratulate you for a job well done, especially for the amount of
revenue you collected from the event." Mr. Caldwell commented, "The team did a great job in
obtaining sponsors and reducing our expenses" and explained that expenses were reduced by
about three thousand dollars ($3,000.00)."
Regarding the previously mentioned orange fencing, Chairperson Nussbaum noted, "When
people see the orange gating, the security gating, that actually is somewhat new in the last three
(3) to five (5) years because there was some security concerns." Chairperson Nussbaum
continued, "That's another reason that we have that security area and I just wanted to share that
with everybody."
Additionally, Chairperson Nussbaum pointed out, "The fact that this was not only revenue-
neutral but there was a small margin of profit says a lot. It is very, very difficult to attain those
goals."
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601. Parks And Recreation Department
Requesting The Parks And Recreation Advisory Committee Receive Update On Fitness
Equipment Ideas.
Mr. Caldwell presented this Agenda Item and remarked, "This is an area of interest with our
Commission and with what we're going to do as a Parks and Recreation Department. So, I think
that we should always have it in front of us and hear the input from this Advisory Board."
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Mr. Caldwell spoke further about this Agenda Item and noted that Deputy Mayor Joanne M.
Krebs was very interested in seeing this project go through.
Discussion.
Next, Vice Chairperson Carroll inquired whether plans for the fitness equipment were "Geared
toward placing it at the Senior Center." Continuing, Vice Chairperson Carroll stated, "I like the
concept of placing it or testing out a couple pieces at Trotwood Park, a couple pieces at Central
Winds Park, Torcaso Park, perhaps even Sam Smith Park."
With further comments, Vice Chairperson Carroll suggested, "As long as it's not going to be the
one (1) location and exclusively for fifty-five (55) and up which would exclude the rest of the
taxpayers. And if you could ask your Park Rangers to kind of loosely track the usage, and
questions, and feedback, I think that would be a really good idea."
Committee Member Calle next inquired, "Are we talking about playground equipment or
physical fitness equipment? Mr. Caldwell responded, "We're talking about fitness equipment or
elements of components that could be in a playground structure or environment. We're trying to
look at a piece of equipment that would give an educational and an active component at the same
time." Committee Member Calle noted his concern about the usage of indoor fitness equipment
being placed outdoors' to which Mr. Caldwell stated, "I don't think that that's a good idea either,
putting stuff that would be in a gym, outdoors."
Committee Member Arthur Gallo recommended the concept of areas that combine a variety of
fitness stations and noted, "For example, one (1) station would be a push-up station or a pull-up
station, and then you'd travel down the Trail and you'd get to another station and do another
physical exercise. So, it's not one particular piece of gear, but it is part of an overall circuit that
you would go through." Committee Member Gallo then stated he would like to see some
examples regarding ideas of fitness equipment for the parks.
Mr. Caldwell remarked, "We will absolutely bring to this Board, anything that we propose."
With further comments, Mr. Caldwell stated, "There are pieces of playground equipment that
have more than one (1) function. There are many things out there. I would like to see something
different in Winter Springs, I would like to see that we would be a leader in that and innovative."
Committee Member Gallo mentioned, "We have such a beautiful trail here and it does go
through the park here and there, there might be ways you can combine jogging and a circuit court
with strategically placed pieces of equipment like this."
"I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT FOR THE NEXT MEETING WE SEE
SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR THE KIND OF EQUIPMENT YOU WOULD LIKE TO
SEE." MOTION BY COMMITTEE MEMBER GALLO. SECONDED BY VICE
CHAIRPERSON CARROLL. DISCUSSION.
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VOTE:
CHAIRPERSON NUSSBAUM: AYE
COMMITTEE MEMBER CALLE: AYE
COMMITTEE MEMBER GALLO: AYE
COMMITTEE MEMBER FROSHER: AYE
COMMITTEE MEMBER BONURA: AYE
VICE CHAIRPERSON CARROLL: AYE
COMMITTEE MEMBER KENDRICK: AYE
COMMITTEE MEMBER MUMEY: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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602. Parks And Recreation Department
Requesting The Parks And Recreation Advisory Committee Receive Information Related
To The Use Of Grills In Parks And How The Parks Ordinance Addresses The Use Of
Portable Grills Brought Into Parks.
Mr. Michael Barclay, Superintendent, Parks and Recreation Department introduced this Agenda
Item and stated, "What we wanted to do is show to the Committee different grills and what we
have going on in our Parks." Mr. Barclay then referred to several photographs of different grills
and asked for some direction from the Committee related to where the best places would be to
have grills located.
Vice Chairperson Carroll mentioned grills located at Torcaso Park and said, "Hearing that a
couple of these are located near where two (2) and (5) year olds are, I would give you my
personal blessing to relocate it away from where the children are going to enter into an area
where adults could supervise it better." Continuing, Vice Chairperson Carroll stated, "I would
suggest for the cost, to consider installing two (2) additional grills at Torcaso Park near those
shade structures but far enough away so they would be utilized and that might even increase
revenues."
Chairperson Nussbaum noted safety concerns involving flaming embers that end up near
children and near the party area and then inquired, "Is it possible if the grills are still in pretty
decent shape, can they be moved?" Mr. Caldwell confirmed, "Yes, they can be moved."
Committee Member Gallo remarked, "Just wondering what might be driving the question?" Mr.
Caldwell responded, "As we're doing a Park Plan, we're evaluating all of our parks." Mr.
Caldwell commented further, "I've noticed the grills are rusty, the surfacing below them is just
worn out, I think they're somewhat too close to playgrounds." Next, Mr. Caldwell added,
"We've got grills all over the place with mulch underneath them only and so I just look at some
of those things. I want to have safe, clean parks everywhere." Mr. Caldwell additionally
remarked that"Our new Parks Ordinance addresses portable grills."
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Chairperson Nussbaum inquired, "Is there also a possibility that if you relocate a grill and it is
near people that we can have a fire extinguisher near there?" Mr. Caldwell noted, "You could,
but it would be easier if we had Staff out there on a full-time basis, but we don't."
Committee Member Calle referred to the previously referenced mulch underneath the area of the
grill and asked "Could it be possible to use gravel?" Committee Member Calle then noted safety
concerns about placing grills away from an area that has materials which could catch fire.
With further discussion, Mr. Barclay said, "So that brings up the question with this being the
Parks Ordinance about people bringing personal grills." Mr. Barclay added, "So that was another
question about grills that we wanted to bring to the Committee as a direction on what the
Committee thinks for portable grills."
Committee Member Geoffrey Kendrick inquired, "Would it be cost prohibitive to just do
concrete that would alleviate safety issues because then you would be able to see the distinction
between the grill and the ground? Cleanliness, it's easy to clean, no fire hazard because you
don't have any mulch down there anymore."
Mr. Caldwell then stated, "I will address Committee Member Calle's comment with the gravel -
rocks get thrown by kids; so, we're trying to avoid anywhere we put gravel at any of our Parks."
Mr. Caldwell then referred to Committee Member Kendrick's comment and said, "I agree that
that look is a good look and it is probably the best option; location-wise it would have to be
considered where you would put that slab of concrete."
Vice Chairperson Carroll responded, "I agree with concrete bases and just suggest that they be
maybe larger even than what we've seen."
Discussion.
Committee Member Yvonne Froscher said, "It seems that things that run on propane might be
realistic for people to use, because with that type of equipment, there isn't charcoal and other
burning material that people are trying to get rid of before they leave."
Next, Committee Member Calle stated, "I agree with her (Committee Member Froscher) and I
think there is less dust and garbage left behind, partially used charcoal, and things that can be
blown away there if you let people bring their propane tank." Then referring back to the idea of
using concrete pads, Committee Member Calle suggested, "It should be built in way that you can
remove an old grill and install another one without having to break the whole pad." Mr.
Caldwell mentioned, "That's correct, they have sleeves that you can put grills in and lock them."
Committee Member Gallo stated, "I don't see anything wrong with bringing a personal grill to
the park if it's handled in an adult fashion." With further comments, Committee Member Gallo
said, "There might be already a solution out there, a state of the art safe way to do grills in Parks
that maybe some research could find out." Mr. Caldwell explained, "We've discovered it's a
location thing that solves the problem."
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Committee Member Joseph Bonura mentioned, "They sell fire safe ash receptacles if some of
your problem is the fact that the next person sweeps the ash out on the front of the area."
Committee Member Bonura stated, "I can work some budgets up that you could use for the
Committee the next time that we meet." With further comments, Committee Member Bonura
inquired, "Why can't you make concrete pads to where you can move grills from pad to pad?"
Committee Member Bonura added, "Your concrete pad would be permanent but your grill
doesn't have to be." Discussion continued.
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Mr. Caldwell commented, "I don't want to increase our liability at our Parks, I don't want to
increase the liability of the City. We do want to be somewhat user-friendly to our guests that
come in to use our Parks." Continuing, Mr. Caldwell stated, "I think that's what we're looking
for from this Advisory Board is say, `Okay, we want the City to provide the grills and pick the
right locations and we don't want to have anyone bring in any outside portable cooking devices.'
That's what we're looking for from this Committee is to get some clear direction."
Discussion ensued.
Regarding the Parks Ordinance about grills, Vice Chairperson Carroll said, "The way it's written
now to me, I echo a couple other Board Members at least, it's clear, you can't bring portable
cooking equipment of whatever type or nature." Continuing, Vice Chairperson Carroll
mentioned, "You possibly could be risking a liability issue if a child runs into a portable piece of
equipment that's being used to cook and it was placed on a City grill and they get injured."
Vice Chairperson Carroll then stated, "I agree, relocate the ones that are close to the young
children's entrances, and put maybe a larger concrete pad but still provide them."
Mr. Caldwell then said, "I see it as two issues here. One is that we're looking at finding the right
location for the existing grills and secondly that we're not going to allow any type of portable
cooking devices into our Parks. That's what I'm looking for if that's what this Board directs I
would like to get a consensus on those two things, please."
Committee Member Calle mentioned providing "Proper facilities there, facilities that are
adequate for grilling and then say `you come to the Parks, we rent you the pavilions, these are the
facilities for cooking, that's what you have to use and clean the area before you leave'."
Chairperson Nussbaum stated, "I am going to try and frame it as a Consensus - we want to make
sure that what we're providing is safe as possible, we also want to be able to provide some kind
of cooking area that's safe. And perhaps if we're providing that cooking area that's safe and
useful, we don't have to provide any propane tanks or in other words, people bringing propane.
And perhaps leave the Ordinance as it is or tweak one (1) or two (2) words and then we've
created a safe environment."
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No objections were noted.
Vice Chairperson Carroll inquired to Staff, "What's the general feeling from your Department?"
Mr. Caldwell mentioned, "For the most part, the grills are in somewhat safe locations but there
are some that are questionable and I think if we address those concerns, I think we're going to be
fine. And then I think now that we've got a Consensus from this Board and how we want to
enforce this, that's how we will share that with our Park Rangers and our team that's out in the
Parks so that we can manage that consistently and fairly with all our guests that come to our
Parks."
Discussion continued.
Vice Chairperson Carroll mentioned, "Do we have signage and postings next to our current
grills? Probably not. When you take out a Permit, maybe the Permit needs to be tweaked and be
more specific." Commenting further, Vice Chairperson Carroll remarked, "It looks like
`Designated area' is what's confusing in this."
Committee Member Gallo stated, "I don't see any record of any safety issues. And I think if it's
a designated place that Parks and Recreation provides, if somebody wants to bring their little
propane grill, I think the citizens ought to be able to do that."
Then, Chairperson Nussbaum responded, "I think that there's a little bit of Consensus on both
sides and I think the other thing is the language has to be tweaked specifically." Chairperson
Nussbaum inquired, "Would we minimize liability for the City from an economic standpoint if
we had nobody bringing their own grills and if they only use the grills we provided?" Mr.
Caldwell stated, "Yes."
Mr. Caldwell mentioned, "So we're going to do our best to provide the grills at the best
locations, clean, put some signs up that designate those areas because that's what I see the
Ordinance saying that it's designated by the City as a cooking area. As far as bringing in the
portable grills, I see that as we're increasing our risk right now and then that will have to be
considered."
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603. Parks And Recreation Department
Requesting The Parks And Recreation Advisory Committee Receive Information Related
To The Proposed FY 2013 Parks And Recreation Budget.
Mr. Caldwell introduced this Agenda Item and stated, "This is our submitted 2013 Budget
approved by the Commission." Continuing, Mr. Caldwell mentioned, "We've saved
approximately one hundred thousand dollars ($100,000.00) or so."
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Continuing, Mr. Caldwell said, "We're in line with what the City Manager and the City
Commission are looking to do and that is reduce costs, reduce our headcount, and be transparent
about what we're spending the taxpayer's money on."
Vice Chairperson Carroll remarked, "There was another amount for the Senior Center or Civic
Center and I wondered if you could elaborate a little bit on what the plans are for that." Mr.
Caldwell explained, "What we're doing with the one hundred twenty-five thousand dollars
($125,000.00) that you're referring to for the Civic Center is that Civic Center is in need of a
facelift." With further comments, Mr. Caldwell stated, "There's an absolute need over there if
we're going to use it for the functions that we currently use it for, we're going to have to put
some money into soon." Further comments ensued.
Discussion followed on Professional Development funding.
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604. Parks And Recreation Department
Requesting The Parks And Recreation Advisory Committee Receive Information Related
To Diane's Park CRA Grant Proposal.
Mr. Barclay presented this Agenda Item and stated, "We've been approached by the CRA
(Community Redevelopment Agency) that they want to bring some elements to the park and
they're willing to budget two hundred fifty thousand dollars ($250,000.00) for us to be able to
provide upgrades to that park." Continuing, Mr. Barclay noted, "One thing we want to do at this
Park is provide something unique." Mr. Barclay added, "So, we're looking at different options
for some play features, some swing bays, bringing in fitness stations, putting in a walking/fitness
trail."
With further comments, Mr. Barclay added, "One thing we're going out and doing is site visit,
there are a lot of trees at the Park and one thing we want to minimize is the removal of trees. But
there are two (2) areas on either side that are a little bit open." Mr. Barclay mentioned, "We want
to develop those areas to be the main areas, one for maybe a picnic area or if the men and women
that work across the street at the Industrial Park that they want to come across the street and sit
and have lunch and even while doing that they can walk the fitness trail."
While discussing additional plans for the Park, Mr. Barclay stated, "We would also put safety
surfacing beneath the play feature, look at possibly water fountains, tree trimmings, and a
privacy fence for the neighbors."
Mr. Barclay then shared photographs with the Committee, the first being a picture of a play
structure. Mr. Barclay noted, "One thing that really caught my eye about this particular one is
it's more of a fitness style play structure for kids." With further comments, Mr. Barclay said,
"What we want to do at this park is possibly look at a fitness-style park whether it goes from the
play structure to the stations that we put along the trail, plus the Trail. So we just wanted to bring
this to the Committee to see if there were any ideas."
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Mr. Caldwell added a comment and stated, "This is required in the process we're going through
right now but these are not definitive in any way. We had to bring ideas to the CRA (Community
Redevelopment Agency) Board so that we could give them a proposal with costs included."
Furthermore, Mr. Caldwell mentioned after the CRA (Community Redevelopment Agency)
Board makes its decision about the Grant, "We go back and actually do more of a definitive
process which is picking out the specific equipments, talking and having Committee meetings
with the neighbors, and then bringing back information to this Board."
Chairperson Nussbaum stated, "If I remember from the last Meeting it is CRA (Community
Redevelopment Agency) money and then we would maintain it after that. Is that correct?" Mr.
Caldwell responded, "Correct."
Vice Chairperson Carroll inquired, "Do we have any clue as to the demographics for the
neighborhood as far as age groups of children?" Vice Chairperson Carroll also noted safety
concerns related to slide equipment. Mr. Caldwell said, "We only have preliminary
demographics from our Police Department and Community Development Department."
Committee Member Calle inquired, "We are dealing with an acre of land, right?" Mr. Caldwell
commented, "Correct." Then Committee Member Calle mentioned, "If the demographic is there,
to me this is excellent because it is compact, and it looks great as far as I'm concerned.
Something like that for a small area, I think you would be able to do a fantastic job." Mr.
Caldwell stated, "We'll make it look nice."
Next, Chairperson Nussbaum responded, "If the statistics are there, it looks like a great project to
look into more. "
❖❖ AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS WERE
DISCUSSED IN THE ORDER AS DOCUMENTED. ••
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606. Parks And Recreation Department
Requesting The Parks And Recreation Advisory Committee Receive Information Related
To Dog Park Sign Updates.
Mr. Caldwell presented this Agenda Item and stated, "Last month I met with the City Manager,
the City Attorney, and the Chief of Police and we discussed an evaluation of the new Parks
Ordinance and our signage specifically at the Dog Park after being opened now for a couple of
years."
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With further comments, Mr. Caldwell said, "It was evident that we had to revise a sign that
would include dangerous dogs." Discussion continued on aggressive/dangerous dogs.
Committee Member Froscher mentioned, "I like the verbiage about aggressive dogs. I think that
is certainly appropriate and dogs that are continually aggressive shouldn't be allowed in the
facilities." Further discussion.
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605. Parks And Recreation Department
Requesting The Parks And Recreation Advisory Committee Receive Information Related
To Special Thanks To Larry Brickel For His Years Of Service To The Parks And
Recreation Advisory Committee.
Mr. Caldwell introduced this Agenda Item and said, "We wanted to recognize his years of
service officially here." Further discussion.
Vice Chairperson Carroll expressed her thanks to Staff for installing a new bench at Sam Smith
Park and said, "They set it back so when you're sitting on the bench you have some concrete
under your feet - they did a fabulous job."
In other City business, Chairperson Nussbaum inquired about the date for the next Committee
Meeting and Mr. Caldwell confirmed the date was November 6, 2012. Committee Member
Kendrick mentioned that November 6th, 2012 is Election Day and noted he had a conflict and
asked if the meeting could be rescheduled. Mr. Caldwell stated, "We're going to look for the
available date either before or after, because there are other Boards that meet in here. So, we'd
just have to look at that Calendar to determine which is the best date and we will absolutely
notify you of when the November Meeting will be."
PUBLIC INPUT
No one addressed the Committee.
ADJOURNMENT
Chairperson Nussbaum adjourned the Regular Meeting at 8:28 p.m.
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NOTE: These Minutes were Approved at the February 5,2013 Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee Regular Meeting.