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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2003 01 13 Consent K Unapproved Minutes from the December 16, 2002 City Commission Special Meeting COMMISSION AGENDA ITEM K Consent X Informational Public Hearings Regular January 13.2003 Regular Meeting Mgr. 1 Dept. Authorization CONSENT K. Office Of The City Clerk Requesting Approval Of The December 16, 2002 City Commission Special Meeting Minutes. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING DECEMBER 16,2002 I. CALL TO ORDER The Special Meeting of Monday, December 16, 2002 of the City Commission was called to order by Mayor John F. Bush at 6:31 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida 32708). ROLL CALL: Mayor John F. Bush, present Deputy Mayor Robert S. Miller, present Commissioner Michael S. Blake, arrived via teleconferencing at 6:32 p.m. Commissioner Edward Martinez, Jr., present Commissioner Sally McGinnis, present Commissioner David W. McLeod, arrived at 6:36 p.m. City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, present City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, present A moment of silence was held followed by the Pledge of Allegiance. Commissioner Michael S. Blake arrived via teleconfer.encing at 6:32 p.m. II. REGULAR REGULAR A. Community Development Department Presents To The City Commission, The Preliminary And Final Engineering Site Plan For The State Road 434 Retail Center Located On The West Side Of The Stone Gable Mixed Use Community And The South Side Of State Road 434. Mayor Bush opened "Public Input. " Mr. Robert Keith, J 06 Stone Gable Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke about buffers; residents involved in negotiating; and suggested that all residents should be treated the same. ~.;, ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS . MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - DECEMBER 16,2002 PAGE20F6 Commissioner David W McLeod arrived at 6:36 p.m. Mr. Robert Johnston, 104 Stone Gable Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: representing the Homeowner's Association, spoke of buffers and said that no negotiations have been made. Mr. Roberto Brandao, 156 Stone Gable Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: hoped this matter could be worked out in a friendly manner. Mr. Ronald Go.ddard, 151 Stone Gable Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: asked that this matter be resolved and that the privacy of a subdivision be considered. Mr. Larry G. Bonner, 108 Stone Gable Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: as a new property owner he spoke about getting information on this issue; that the Codes should be applied; and that he supports the extending ofthe wall along lots 1 through 7. Ms. Kasey Edwards, 100 Stone Gable Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: displayed some photographs of her back yard; spoke of a lot of infighting amongst the residents of this subdivision; and her preference for privacy. Mr. Tony Edwards, 100 Stone Gable Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke of his preference for the natural tree buffer; said that there were a lot of unanswered questions that he would like answered; and if there is a wall, his preference would be for a brick wall. Mr. John Neubauer, 102 Stone Gable Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: remarked about the buffer; communication; asked to review the plans; and suggested that this matter should be talked out with more community input. . Mayor Bush closed "Public Input. " Discussion. Mr. John Baker, AICP, Current Planning' Coordinator, Community Development Department addressed the City Commission and noted the following typographical error: "In the Agenda Item on item 10) j), second sentence on page 5 there it says 'Stone Gable median opening would need to be relocated to the western entrance for adequate spacing' - that is supposed to be 'SR [State Road] 434 RetaiL'" Further, Mr. Baker clarified, "The word 'Stone Gable' would be changed to the 'SR [State Road] 434 Retail. ", Tape JlSide B .~ ~ ~ ~ ~ = ~ ~~ "iJ CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - DECEMBER 16, 2002 PAGE30F6 With discussion, Commissioner McLeod spoke about the wall and stated, "On December. 11 th, you moved the wall - where you come back into the parking lot area just off the parking lot - area showing that that would give lots 1, 2, and 3 more buffers of natural trees - what would be the possibility of running that wall straight on across and sticking to the top edge of the berm - which would then pick up another sixteen feet (16') between lots 3, 5, 6, and 7? Has that been discussed?" Mr. Baker then spoke of the sanitary sewer lines. Mr. Joel T Arnold, Director of Special Projects, Consul-Tech Development Services, Inc., 2828 Edgewater Drive, Suite 200, Orlando, Florida: as the Engineer of Record, Mr. Arnold addressed the Commission's questions and concerns. Discussion ensued on utility plans, turn lanes, and buffers. Deputy Mayor Robert S. Miller stated, "When they built that Target store on 17-92, there were trees in there that are probably the equivalent of what we are looking at here, they were 150, 200 years old and very substantial in size. Those trees did not survive - the reason being that they put them in twenty foot (20') openings and the root structure had nothing to nourish it beyond - under the asphalt. I have mentioned this several times now and I would like you - Staff to look into it - there are a couple of companies in Florida that are building porous cement and would assist with saving larger trees." Furthermore, Deputy Mayor Miller added, "These things come in blocks - there is not much disturbing of the soil you have to do other than compacting it a little bit - I would like this looked at, find out who is making these things." The number of trees to be removed and buffers was next discussed. Commissioner McLeod inquired, "Is there a way to do an overlay of the tree survey onto your site plan?" Further, Commissioner McLeod stated, "It is something I think Staff ought to at least take a look at." Mr. Hal H. Kantor, Attorney, Lowndes Drosdick Doster Kantor & Reed, P.A., 215 North Eola Drive, Orlando, Florida: addressed the City Commission and stated, "In development, we are going to remove trees and I know you know that, so minimizing the loss is something we are willing to look at. I would ask, and I am sure the City would agree that this not just be an Arborist issue, because we also have to comply with engineering and drainage and so taken together, that is something we can take a look at. And we - we are skeptical. I will say this we are skeptical about the ability to save trees, but we are willing to look and figure it out and the reason the skepticism comes is because of the drainage requirements. And if you can't make it work, then it just doesn't work - and that is - but if somebody can show us a way to make it work, and it's you know, really cost neutral and it enhances the area, why wouldn't we do it? So it seems to me those are the things; now in terms of the other thing I heard discussed - the lights, we did agree to reducing them to twenty-five feet (25'). I don't think John [Baker], that may not have been reflected in the plan, but that is a definite that the developer agreed to do, after talking with Mr. [Ronald W.] McLemore, [City Manger]." ~ ~ ~ ,~ € :~2) ~ ~ CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - DECEMBER 16,2002 PAGE40F6 Tape 2/Side A Mayor Bush then stated, "I would like to see deceleration lanes, not really going into your center as much as I would where the Stone Gable people turn in, is where ideally it would be." Discussion. Commissioner Edward Martinez, Jr. stated, "When you are looking over the things you intend to correct, remember that by allowing that tree buffer - to thirty feet (30') where the wall is, you might very well be able to have your two (2) levels building and the neighbors would not be able - or should not object to it, because they will have that tree buffer blocking the sight into their homes." Mr. Terry Zaudtke, P.E., DEE, Executive Vice President/Branch Manager, CPH Engineers, Inc. 1117 East Robinson Street, Suite C, Orlando, Florida: commented on parking spaces. Discussion. Regarding the proposed Development Agreement, Mayor Bush stated, "So Mr. Kantor agrees with going forward with the Development Agreement?" Mr. Kantor stated, "Yes." Summarizing the major points to be included, Mayor Bush pointed out, "The issues that I see - is the wall along the eastern boundary and saving as many trees as possible between Stone Gable and the development, which would again depend somewhat on engineering and drainage etceteras, and to - make a deeper buffer." Mayor Bush added, "To try to save as many specimen trees, which would be the north side against [State Road] 434 there, as possible, with our Arborist being involved in that activity - and the Engineer." Via the telephone, Commissioner Blake suggested that "We need to come up with an agreement on which of the issues associated with the wall the Commission desires the Manager to pursue. The light pole issue - how high do we desire to allow - the County allows twenty feet (20'). I think the most recent proposal has them at twenty-five feet (25') and the original one of course is at forty feet (40'); as well as the design of the fixtures. That was an issue at the Town Center about what the fixtures actually looked like - are we having any discussion on the types of fixtures that will be utilized as well." Furthermore, Commissioner Blake pointed out "The decellanes, whether or not we desire to have that as part of any Developer's Agreement or pursuing that with the State and who would absorb the cost of both pursuing the implementation of dece1lanes and who- would bear the cost of installing them; and I think we ought to look at along the decel lane issue, both into this project as well as into Stone Gable. I think it creates a conflict if we look at doing one and not the other." ~~~ ~t...lll ~;;;;"" ~(~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - DECEMBER 16, 2002 PAGE50F6 Regarding specimen trees, Commissioner Blake asked, "Is there anybody that has gone through this sheet and actually highlighted in yellow, or circled the trees that we are talking about trying to save, and where they would be located on the current development plan?" Commissioner McLeod added, "No - that was the overlay I was asking about." Commissioner Blake then stated, "I would certainly like to see that pursued as well." In terms of the wall, Commissioner Blake suggested, "I would certainly like to see the materials of the wall on the residential side to reflect the quality and nature of construction that already exists' in that neighborhood, and if that is brick, that is what it should be." Commissioner Martinez added, "A couple of issues of concern to the applicant were moving the building next to the buffer if need be, and the decellane. Those were two (2) items that have to be worked out." Manager McLemore explained that "Our intent then is to try to be back in that first Meeting in January, embodying these into an Agreement." Mayor Bush stated, "Is that the will of the Commission - what Mr. McLemore just said?" Commissioner Martinez stated, "For now." In other business, discussion ensued on the upcoming Workshops scheduled for January. Mayor Bush suggested that the Workshop on the Paw Park issue could be moved to 5:00 p.m. on January 2ih, and said, "If we could have the Clerk - contact those people and see if that is acceptable - so Andrea [Lorenzo- Luaces, City Clerk~, you will contact the Paw Park people and see if they can meet at 5 o'clock on the 2i , prior to the Commission Meeting." The Accessory Buildings Workshop will remain as scheduled and will be held on January 21, 2003 - 6:30 p.m. III. ADJOURNMENT "MOTION TO ADJOURN." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BLAKE. DISCUSSION. VOTE: . COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER McLEOD: AYE COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER BLAKE: AYE (VIA THE TELEPHONE) MOTION CARRIED. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~.'.. ~ ~ ~ CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - DECEMBER 16,2002 PAGE 6 OF 6 Mayor Bush adjourned the Meeting at 8:31 p.m. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED: ANDREA LORENZQ-LUACES, CMC CITY CLERK APPROVED: JOHN F. BUSH MAYOR NOTE: These Minutes were approved at the .2003 Regular City Commission Meeting. m ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~