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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2006 03 13 Consent Item 408 March 6 Special Minutes Approval CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING MARCH 6, 2006 CALL TO ORDER The Special Meeting of Monday, March 6, 2006 of the City Commission was called to order by Mayor John F. Bush at 5:30 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida 32708). Roll Call: Mayor John F. Bush, present Deputy Mayor Michael S. Blake, present Commissioner Robert S. Miller, present Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore, absent Commissioner Sally McGinnis, present Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs, present City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, present City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, present A moment of silence was followed by the Pledge of Allegiance. REGULAR AGENDA REGULAR 300. Office Of The Mayor To Discuss The City's Response To The Public In Regards To Our East Rural Area Property Owners Committee Report. Also To Determine What Our Response(s) Should Be To The Seminole County Commission And The Oviedo Council. At The Conclusion Of This Special Meeting, I Would Like To Have A Position For Further Action And Dialogue With The County And Oviedo. Mayor Bush introduced this issue. With discussion on the Oviedo Marketplace Agenda Item that was pulled from the February 27, 2006 City Commission Agenda, Mayor Bush stated, "They are asking us for 11.6 units to the acre. They asked Oviedo for eight (8)." Mayor Bush then stated, "The question is why did they ask us for 11.6 and they asked Oviedo for eight (8)?" Commissioner Sally McGinnis stated, "I would like to know." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - MARCH 6, 2006 PAGE 2 OF 6 Discussion. Mayor Tom Walters, City of Oviedo, 400 Alexandria Boulevard, Oviedo, Florida: addressed the City Commission and spoke of roads. With further discussion on the Oviedo Marketplace Agenda Item, Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs remarked, "I wasn't called by - Rebecca Furman's Secretary, she actually emailed twice and my second email, which I copied everybody who was on the email, I indicated that I preferred to discuss anything regarding the Oviedo Marketplace at a Commission Meeting; and I believe I copied the Attorney on that too." Further discussion. Discussion followed on density with Ms. Eloise Sahlstrom, ASLA, AICP, Senior Planner, Community Development Department who stated, "I don't know how our 'Medium Density' compares to Oviedo and Seminole County. I have looked at it before, but I don't have that in my head." Much discussion. Deputy Mayor Michael S. Blake stated, "I personally would be willing to support an Ordinance that says that the City of Winter Springs will not acknowledge, nor act upon any Annexation request that is east of that line." Deputy Mayor Blake added, "From where I sit, that is where I would support it at this point - not just a line in the sand, but a line in the Code which says - we will not acknowledge nor act upon an Annexation request that is east of Deleon." Tape I/Side B Discussion. Commissioner Krebs remarked, "I am with you Commissioner Blake, I would support drawing the line." Commissioner McGinnis said, "I would support a so-called line in the sand." Further discussion. Mayor Bush commented that, "What I would like to recommend is at our next meeting with the Oviedo Council, which is coming up next month - April 4th [2006], that - this be the only thing that we discuss, the only Agenda Item." Commissioner McGinnis commented, "Good." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - MARCH 6, 2006 PAGE 3 OF 6 City Manager Ronald W McLemore left the Commission Chambers at 6:22 p.m. Discussion. Mayor Bush suggested that regarding the proposed parking garage, "There might be some way that we could work actually a Library on the ground floor and a parking garage above it, if we could sit down and maybe - share the cost of this facility with the County." Furthermore, Mayor Bush said, "We need to get the County's Economic Development people working with our Town Center people to start bringing businesses in there." Next, Mayor Bush added, "I would like to suggest to the Commission at our next meeting with the Oviedo Council, that we put this on the table, and we start looking at the line in the sand, so to speak." Manager McLemore returned to the Commission Chambers at 6:26 p.m. With further discussion, Commissioner Krebs said, "The last issue was the meeting with Oviedo - it is fine as far as discussing what you want to discuss, but didn't we have an Agenda that we had worked out, at the end of last meeting, that we would bring back to the table at the next meeting?" Manager McLemore stated, "We did." Mayor Bush stated, "I don't agree. I don't think we can get through any other Agenda Items until we get this one resolved." Commissioner McGinnis remarked, "I agree." Commissioner Krebs stated, "I don't want to stay 'No' to everything else if it is important to them." Furthermore, Commissioner McGinnis stated, "I would support you, one (1) Agenda Item. " Deputy Mayor Blake said, "There is a way - for the City to make a statement like that and to have it more firmly fitted into the foundation of what we are, and that is to have a Charter Amendment. We could have a Ballot question in November, and then the citizens of Winter Springs can decide on their own and that is a very important piece to it, it has to be on their own - 'Shall Winter Springs stop at Deleon Street or not'?" It is very important that the question be worded very basic, very simply, and that the City stay out of the educational process for it." Deputy Mayor Blake added, "And then the citizens will determine whether that becomes a provision of our Charter or not, where Winter Springs stops. And if they say 'No, go east', then this Commission will have their marching orders. If they say 'No, we don't have any business in that area', then this Commission will have its marching orders." Discussion. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - MARCH 6, 2006 PAGE40F6 Commissioner McGinnis remarked, "I am not ready for a Charter Amendment." Deputy Mayor Blake asked, "Do we want to annex into the [Black] Hammock - should that be one of our priorities? Should that be one of our goals?" Commissioner McGinnis stated, "I would say 'No'." Further discussion. Commissioner Robert S. Miller said for the Record, "I have no interest in the Black Hammock. I really don't." Additionally, Commissioner Miller remarked, "I don't want to annex the Black Hammock, but if somebody comes to us five (5) years from now, and says, 'I have no alternative, will you look at us and talk annexation with us', and they are right on our boundaries, I don't think we ought to unilaterally say we are not going to do this." Mayor Bush noted, "Of course, some of that would depend on this Feasibility Study that the Commission asked for months ago." Commissioner Miller added, "I am willing to pass an Ordinance that we will not do any development unless it is under that document. I will go along with that. " Discussion. Mayor Bush asked, "Did any of you see the letter we got from the City of Altamonte Springs?" Mayor Bush noted, "Take a look at it - the tone." Discussion. "I WOULD VERY MUCH APPRECIATE - IF YOU WOULD COMMUNICATE WITH THE MAYOR OF OVIEDO ABOUT THE AGENDA FOR OUR MEETING ON APRIL 4TH, I BELIEVE IT IS; AND EXPRESS TO THEM THAT WE HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION AND WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AT THAT TIME, BUT I REALLY BELIEVE THAT - THIS COMMISSION OUGHT TO LOOK AT DRAWING THAT LINE, AND DO SO IN A WAY THAT IS MEANINGFUL; THAT IS NOT AMBIGUOUS, AND IS A DOCUMENT THAT WE CAN POINT TO, THAT SAYS, DON'T MISUNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING, READ IT HERE - IT IS SIMPLE, IT IS CLEAR, CONCISE. AND I THINK THE WAY TO DO THAT IS THROUGH AN ORDINANCE - AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COMMISSION DIRECT THE ATTORNEY TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE AND BRING IT BACK TO US AT OUR - NOT THE NEXT MEETING BECAUSE THERE WON'T BE TIME, BUT THE MEETING AFTER THAT - FOR CONSIDERATION ON A FIRST HEARING. IT WILL THEN HAVE - PLENTY OF TIME FOR NOTICE; PLENTY OF TIME FOR PEOPLE TO WEIGH IN ON IT; PLENTY OF TIME TO HAVE DISCUSSION; AND THEN THE COMMISSION - CAN MAKE A DECISION WITH ALL THE INFORMATION AT THAT POINT IN TIME." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - MARCH 6, 2006 PAGE50F6 MAYOR BUSH STATED, "THAT WOULD BE ON APRIL THE 10TH, AND THAT WOULD BE AFTER OUR MEETING WITH OVIEDO, BY THE WAY." DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE ADDED, "THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION." SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION. VOTE: DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Mayor Bush remarked, "I would like to make another recommendation too and that is that - land preservation funds, that part - has expired, or is near expiration." Deputy Mayor Blake commented on this issue. Mayor Bush then said, "I would like to recommend at our next Commission Meeting that we - have a Resolution supporting the regeneration of this - funding." Furthermore, Mayor Bush added, "Maybe we could do a little bit more research on that and then bring it up at the Meeting." Commissioner Miller departed the Meeting at 6:57 p.m. Next, Mayor Bush commented that "We talked at our last Commission Meeting about having a session to prepare for the Legislative Action Day. We talked about March the lath. Is that still okay to have a Luncheon Meeting to discuss the [Florida] League of Cities Agenda and our efforts when we are up there that day?" Commissioner McGinnis stated, "It is for me." Commissioner Krebs remarked, "Yes." Mayor Bush then noted, "Why don't we just meet here, and maybe Andrea [Lorenzo-Luaces, City Clerk] will figure out something for us to eat. Twelve o'clock, March the 10th." Manager McLemore spoke on the Solid Waste contract and issues related to area schools. Discussion. Tape 2/Side A Brief discussion followed on the Seminole County Charter Committee and a letter that City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese wrote. ADJOURNMENT Mayor Bush adjourned the Regular Meeting at 7:05 p.m. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED: ANDREA LORENZO-LUACES, CMC CITY CLERK APPROVED: JOHN F. BUSH MAYOR CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - MARCH 6, 2006 PAGE 6 OF6 NOTE: These Minutes were approved at the , 2006 Regular City Commission Meeting. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING MARCH 6, 2006 CALL TO ORDER The Special Meeting of Monday, March 6, 2006 of the City Commission was called to order by Mayor John F. Bush at 5:30 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida 32708). Roll Call: Mayor John F. Bush, present Deputy Mayor Michael S. Blake, present Commissioner Robert S. Miller, present Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore, absent Commissioner Sally McGinnis, present Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs, present City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, present City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, present A moment of silence was followed by the Pledge of Allegiance. REGULAR AGENDA REGULAR 300. Office Of The Mayor To Discuss The City's Response To The Public In Regards To Our East Rural Area Property Owners Committee Report. Also To Determine What Our Response(s) Should Be To The Seminole County Commission And The Oviedo Council. At The Conclusion Of This Special Meeting, I Would Like To Have A Position For Further Action And Dialogue With The County And Oviedo. Mayor Bush introduced this issue. With discussion on the Oviedo Marketplace Agenda Item that was pulled from the February 27, 2006 City Commission Agenda, Mayor Bush stated, "They are asking us for 11.6 units to the acre. They asked Oviedo for eight (8)." Mayor Bush then stated, "The question is why did they ask us for 11.6 and they asked Oviedo for eight (8)?" Commissioner Sally McGinnis stated, "I would like to know." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - MARCH 6, 2006 PAGE20F6 Discussion. Mayor Tom Walters, City of Oviedo, 400 Alexandria Boulevard, Oviedo, Florida: addressed the City Commission and spoke of roads. With further discussion on the Oviedo Marketplace Agenda Item, Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs remarked, "I wasn't called by - Rebecca Furman's Secretary, she actually emailed twice and my second email, which I copied everybody who was on the email, I indicated that I preferred to discuss anything regarding the Oviedo Marketplace at a Commission Meeting; and I believe I copied the Attorney on that too." Further discussion. Discussion followed on density with Ms. Eloise Sahlstrom, ASLA, A1CP, Senior Planner, Community Development Department who stated, "I don't know how our 'Medium Density' compares to Oviedo and Seminole County. I have looked at it before, but I don't have that in my head." Much discussion. Deputy Mayor Michael S. Blake stated, "I personally would be willing to support an Ordinance that says that the City of Winter Springs will not acknowledge, nor act upon any Annexation request that is east of that line." Deputy Mayor Blake added, "From where I sit, that is where I would support it at this point - not just a line in the sand, but a line in the Code which says - we will not acknowledge nor act upon an Annexation request that is east of Deleon." Tape I/Side 8 Discussion. Commissioner Krebs remarked, "I am with you Commissioner Blake, I would support drawing the line." Commissioner McGinnis said, "I would support a so-called line in the sand." Further discussion. Mayor Bush commented that, "What I would like to recommend is at our next meeting with the Oviedo Council, which is coming up next month - April 4th [2006], that - this be the only thing that we discuss, the only Agenda Item." Commissioner McGinnis commented, "Good." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - MARCH 6, 2006 PAGE30F6 City Manager Ronald W McLemore left the Commission Chambers at 6:22 p.m. Discussion. Mayor Bush suggested that regarding the proposed parking garage, "There might be some way that we could work actually a Library on the ground floor and a parking garage above it, if we could sit down and maybe - share the cost of this facility with the County." Furthermore, Mayor Bush said, "We need to get the County's Economic Development people working with our Town Center people to start bringing businesses in there." Next, Mayor Bush added, "I would like to suggest to the Commission at our next meeting with the Oviedo Council, that we put this on the table, and we start looking at the line in the sand, so to speak." Manager McLemore returned to the Commission Chambers at 6:26 p.m. With further discussion, Commissioner Krebs said, "The last issue was the meeting with Oviedo - it is fine as far as discussing what you want to discuss, but didn't we have an Agenda that we had worked out, at the end of last meeting, that we would bring back to the table at the next meeting?" Manager McLemore stated, "We did." Mayor Bush stated, "I don't agree. I don't think we can get through any other Agenda Items until we get this one resolved." Commissioner McGinnis remarked, "I agree." Commissioner Krebs stated, "I don't want to stay 'No' to everything else if it is important to them." Furthermore, Commissioner McGinnis stated, "I would support you, one (1) Agenda Item." Deputy Mayor Blake said, "There is a way - for the City to make a statement like that and to have it more firmly fitted into the foundation of what we are, and that is to have a Charter Amendment. We could have a Ballot question in November, and then the citizens of Winter Springs can decide on their own and that is a very important piece to it, it has to be on their own - 'Shall Winter Springs stop at Deleon Street or not'?" It is very important that the question be worded very basic, very simply, and that the City stay out of the educational process for it." Deputy Mayor Blake added, "And then the citizens will determine whether that becomes a provision of our Charter or not, where Winter Springs stops. And if they say 'No, go east', then this Commission will have their marching orders. If they say 'No, we don't have any business in that area', then this Commission will have its marching orders." Discussion. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - MARCH 6, 2006 PAGE40F6 Commissioner McGinnis remarked, "I am not ready for a Charter Amendment." Deputy Mayor Blake asked, "Do we want to annex into the [Black] Hammock - should that be one of our priorities? Should that be one of our goals?" Commissioner McGinnis stated, "I would say 'No'." Further discussion. Commissioner Robert S. Miller said for the Record, "I have no interest in the Black Hammock. 1 really don't." Additionally, Commissioner Miller remarked, "I don't want to annex the Black Hammock, but if somebody comes to us five (5) years from now, and says, 'I have no alternative, will you look at us and talk annexation with us', and they are right on our boundaries, 1 don't think we ought to unilaterally say we are not going to do this." Mayor Bush noted, "Of course, some of that would depend on this Feasibility Study that the Commission asked for months ago." Commissioner Miller added, "I am willing to pass an Ordinance that we will not do any development unless it is under that document. 1 will go along with that. " Discussion. Mayor Bush asked, "Did any of you see the letter we got from the City of Altamonte Springs?" Mayor Bush noted, "Take a look at it - the tone." Discussion. "I WOULD VERY MUCH APPRECIATE - IF YOU WOULD COMMUNICATE WITH THE MAYOR OF OVIEDO ABOUT THE AGENDA FOR OUR MEETING ON APRIL 4TH, I BELIEVE IT IS; AND EXPRESS TO THEM THAT WE HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION AND WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AT THAT TIME, BUT I REALLY BELIEVE THAT - THIS COMMISSION OUGHT TO LOOK AT DRAWING THAT LINE, AND DO SO IN A WAY THAT IS MEANINGFUL; THAT IS NOT AMBIGUOUS, AND IS A DOCUMENT THAT WE CAN POINT TO, THAT SAYS, DON'T MISUNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING, READ IT HERE - IT IS SIMPLE, IT IS CLEAR, CONCISE. AND I THINK THE WAY TO DO THAT IS THROUGH AN ORDINANCE - AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COMMISSION DIRECT THE ATTORNEY TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE AND BRING IT BACK TO US AT OUR - NOT THE NEXT MEETING BECAUSE THERE WON'T BE TIME, BUT THE MEETING AFTER THAT - FOR CONSIDERATION ON A FIRST HEARING. IT WILL THEN HAVE - PLENTY OF TIME FOR NOTICE; PLENTY OF TIME FOR PEOPLE TO WEIGH IN ON IT; PLENTY OF TIME TO HAVE DISCUSSION; AND THEN THE COMMISSION - CAN MAKE A DECISION WITH ALL THE INFORMATION AT THAT POINT IN TIME." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - MARCH 6, 2006 PAGE50F6 MAYOR BUSH STATED, "THAT WOULD BE ON APRIL THE 10TH, AND THAT WOULD BE AFTER OUR MEETING WITH OVIEDO, BY THE WAY." DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE ADDED, "THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION." SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION. VOTE: DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Mayor Bush remarked, "I would like to make another recommendation too and that is that - land preservation funds, that part - has expired, or is near expiration." Deputy Mayor Blake commented on this issue. Mayor Bush then said, "I would like to recommend at our next Commission Meeting that we - have a Resolution supporting the regeneration of this - funding." Furthermore, Mayor Bush added, "Maybe we could do a little bit more research on that and then bring it up at the Meeting." Commissioner Miller departed the Meeting at 6:57 p.m. Next, Mayor Bush commented that "We talked at our last Commission Meeting about having a session to prepare for the Legislative Action Day. We talked about March the 10th. Is that still okay to have a Luncheon Meeting to discuss the [Florida] League of Cities Agenda and our efforts when we are up there that day?" Commissioner McGinnis stated, "It is for me." Commissioner Krebs remarked, "Yes." Mayor Bush then noted, "Why don't we just meet here, and maybe Andrea [Lorenzo-Luaces, City Clerk] will figure out something for us to eat. Twelve 0' clock, March the 10th." Manager McLemore spoke on the Solid Waste contract and issues related to area schools. Discussion. Tape 2/Side A Brief discussion followed on the Seminole County Charter Committee and a letter that City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese wrote. ADJOURNMENT Mayor Bush adjourned the Regular Meeting at 7:05 p.m. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED: AND A LORENZO-LUACES, CMC CIT( CLERK APPROVED: Ck~~ ~~J M JO F. BUSH MA: '-OR CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - MARCH 6, 2006 PAGE60F6 NOTE: These Minutes were approved at the March 13,2006 Regular City Commission Meeting.