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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2001 10 08 Consent D Approval of the September 13, 2001 Special City Commisson Meeting Minutes COMMISSION AGENDA ITEM D Consent X Informational Public Hearings Regular October 8, 2001 Regular Meeting Mgr. / Dept. Authorization CONSENT D. Office Of The City Clerk Approval Of The Minutes Of The September 13, 2001 Special City Commission Meeting. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING SEPTEMBER 13,2001 I. CALL TO ORDER The Special Meeting of Thursday, September 13, 2001 of the City Commission was called to order by Mayor Paul P. Partyka at 6:31 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida 32708). A moment of silence preceded the Pledge of Allegiance. CITY COMMISSION ROLL CALL: Mayor Paul P. Partyka, present Deputy Mayor David W. McLeod, present Commissioner Robert S. Miller, present Commissioner Michael S. Blake, present Commissioner Edward Martinez, Jr., present Commissioner Cindy Gennell, absent City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, arrived at 6:34 p.m. City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, arrived at 6:42 p.m. LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY ROLL CALL: Chairman Bill Fernandez, absent Vice Chairman Tom Brown, present Board Member Rosanne Karr, present Board Member Brent Gregory, present Board Member Carl Stephens, Jr., present City Manager Ronald W. McLemore arrived at 6:34 p.m. II. AGENDA A. Community Development Department Requests That The City Commission And Local Planning Agency (LP A) Conduct A Workshop To Review The Recommendations Of Land Design Innovations (LDI) For The Evaluation And Appraisal Report (EAR) Based Amendments To The Population, Future Land Use, Transportation And Housing Elements Of The City Of Winter Springs Comprehensive Plan. City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese arrived at 6:42 p.m. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 13.2001 PAGE 2 OF 22 It was agreed that the Local Planning Agency would discuss each item first, then make their recommendation to the City Commission. The City Commission would then consider the recommendations of the Local Planning Agency members. .:. .:. AGENDA NOTE: THE SPECIAL MEETING WAS THEN TURNED OVER TO THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY. .:..:. Vice Chairman Tom Brown made the recommendation to the Commission that on page 1- 2, Rural Residential, the last sentence "Gets changed." Board Member Carl Stephens, Jr. stated the sentence should read, "The Rustic Residential land use category is considered a holding land use until adequate public facilities become available for more intense development. " Board Member Rosanne Karr stated, "On page 1-4 where it talks about the types of uses permitted within the Town Center - I understand what we are saying in the second paragraph, but I'd like it to include as a permitted use, the schools that are already there. So maybe it could say something about 'The Town Center is to include a variety of existing' - I just want it to say that it includes what's already existing there; and then add to that the mix of uses that we're allowing." Ms. Crowe responded, "I think we were thinking that civic facilities was kind of taking care of all of that. But it's no problem to add in, it's not a problem at all to add in - schools and - the civic facilities really does take care of City Hall, but if Parks is not - in that one sentence we can go ahead and make sure that that's in there." Board Member Karr stated, "It's not in there." Ms. Crowe responded, "Okay, so Parks and Schools?" Board Member Karr agreed. The Local Planning Agency then discussed page 1-10 regarding Sanitary Sewer. Vice Chairman Brown asked, "Is that standard procedure, when a developer comes in, that you have to have adequate sewage? Is that written somewhere?" Ms. Crowe answered, "We've written concurrency management into the Capital Improvements Element. It's a requirement by Florida Statutes that something - I know the City Attorney has been wanting to get in the Comp Plan for quite a while, so, that has been included. And what concurrency means is that that facilities do have to be in place, concurrent with the development. So before the development can happen, they have to have adequate facilities to meet your' adopted Levels of Service, that we are writing right now. The adopted Levels of Service that we are adopting right now, they have to have them in place to meet that." CITY OF WINTER SPRlNGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 13. 2001 PAGE 3 OF 22 "I MAKE A MOTION THAT ON PAGE 1-4, WE INCLUDE VERBIAGE THAT - INCORPORATES THE EXISITING USES WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER THAT ARE ALREADY THERE WHICH INCLUDE THE CITY HALL, THE SCHOOL, AND THE PARK, AND THE TRAIL." MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER KARR. SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBERS STEPHENS. DISCUSSION. VOTE: BOARD MEMBER STEPHENS: AYE BOARD MEMBER KARR: AYE VICE CHAIRMAN BROWN: AYE BOARD MEMBER GREGORY: NAY MOTION CARRIED. Discussion. Vice Chairman Brown suggested, "I will put in the Commissioners heads since they are here; maybe - not right now, but before we finish this thing up whenever, maybe we need a Section on Definition - of some of the terminology." Brief discussion. Members of the Local Planning Agency discussed Home Occupations and Convenience Stores with Ms. Crowe. Vice Chairman Brown asked the opinion of the Board Members. Ms. Crowe clarified, "It should be in your - Code of Ordinances, the City's Code of Ordinances. So it's out of the Comp Plan - for now." Vice Chairman Brown asked, "Is everyone in agreement?" No Board Members voiced any reservations to this. Vice Chairman Brown stated, "I would entertain a Motion that we recommend to the City Commission - review our comments for approval of this Section." "SO MOVED." MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER STEPHENS. SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER KARR. DISCUSSION. VOTE: BOARD MEMBER KARR: AYE BOARD MEMBER GREGORY: AYE VICE CHAIRMAN BROWN: AYE BOARD MEMBER STEPHENS: AYE MOTION CARRIED. .:. .:. AGENDA NOTE: THE SPECIAL MEETING WAS THEN TURNED OVER TO THE CITY COMMISSION. .:. .:. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 13,2001 PAGE40F22 Future Lalld Use Discussion ensued on the Rustic Residential category. Deputy Mayor David W. McLeod stated, "I think the residents there would want to make it much more difficult for the City to move into those areas, or a Developer to move into those areas, rather than leave it open." Deputy Mayor McLeod further said, "With this language, it makes it a lot easier for them to get in there, So Mayor, my suggestion would be to make sure the language is tight and it is understood that it is a Rustic Residential area. - And I do believe it falls under the Land Use - that way." Discussion followed. Deputy Mayor McLeod added, "So where we have Rural Residential, up to one (1) unit per gross, that really should in this case then state that it is Rustic Residential up to one (I)? Is that correct? In the - one that we have in front of us?" Deputy Mayor McLeod added that this was his recommendation. Mayor Partyka polled the Commission "In terms of removal of these two (2) lines." Commissioner Robert S. Miller stated, "It's my understanding that the residents of the Highlands - the Ranchlands would like to keep the current mix of property that they have. So if we were to go to this Rural definition, one (1) per acre, then there's nothing to prevent folks out there that have five (5) acres from selling their land to a Developer and putting in five (5) residential homes on that piece of property. Then the people on both sides of them have to deal with that issue." Ms. Crowe responded, "No, they can't develop more than one (1) unit per gross acre, They still have that Land Use category. They would have to go through a Land Use Amendment to develop anything higher than that. But still if everybody would like it to go to Rustic, it's fine." Commissioner Miller stated, "I am just trying to figure out what the intent is because I think most of the folks there want to leave it the way it is. There already are many lots in there that are about one (1) acre in size." Tape I/Side 8 Mayor Partyka summarized, "So point one (1) is to eliminate those last two (2) lines similar to what the P and Z Board has suggested." Commissioner Michael S. Blake stated, "I support that." Commissioner Edward Martinez, Jr. agreed. Deputy Mayor McLeod stated, "I would definitely support that." Commissioner Miller said, "Yes." Mayor Partyka summarized, "Okay, that gets eliminated." Mayor Partyka also stated, "The next question is whether we maintain Rural Residential as a name or we call it Rustic Residential." Commissioner Blake stated, "I would support Rustic." Commissioner Miller said, "Yes, I think if that is what it has been all along, it probably should just be left alone." Deputy Mayor McLeod stated, "Definitely Rustic." Mayor Partyka summarized, "So, we handled that issue. Okay." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER \3,2001 PAGE 5 OF 22 Discussion ensued regarding Density levels, and Commissioner Blake asked, "I am curious to know where the twenty-one (21) units number came from." Discussion followed with Staff. "MR. MAYOR, ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, ON THE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY FOR LAND USE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE NUMBER SIXTEEN (16) BE THE MAXIMUM UNITS PER GROSS ACRE IN THE TOWN CENTER, WHEN WE GET TO THAT. I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THIRTY-SIX (36) UNITS THERE AS HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED. BUT IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY, I DON'T THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT LEVEL OF DENSITY. I THINK WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE HIGHEST DENSITY TO BE IN THE TOWN CENTER AND DISCOURAGE THE HIGHEST DENSITY FROM BEING AWAY FROM THERE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLAKE. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ. DISCUSSION. DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD ASKED, "WHAT HAPPENS WITH A LOT THAT'S SITTING OUT THERE AT SAY TUSCAWILLA, THAT'S IN THE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. WILL THIS NOW ALLOW THEM TO DEVELOP THAT UP TO SIXTEEN (16)?" COMMISSIONER BLAKE STATED, "THAT'S CONTROLLED BY THE PUD DOCUMENT AND WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PUD DOCUMENT TO SEE." DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD STATED, "MY PROBLEM HERE AS THE COMMISSION, I THINK WE JUST HEARD - ONCE IT'S IN HERE IT THEN GIVES STAFF THE REASON TO REWRITE, RECHANGE ZONING TO COME BACK TO US. I REALLY WOULD RATHER JUST SEE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS BROUGHT STRAIGHT FORWARD TO US, AND SAY, HERE IS WHAT STAFF'S LOOKING TO DO, IS TO CHANGE THIS FROM HERE TO HERE. THIS IS THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THIS DOCUMENT WHEN WE APPROVE IT. THINGS ARE DROPPED IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS THAT HAD NOT BEEN BEFORE US, TO LAY IT OUT AND SAY WE DID THIS. OKAY? WE DID THIS, WE CHANGED THIS FROM TEN (10) TO TWENTY-ONE (21), OR SIXTEEN (16) OR TWELVE (12). SO MY PROBLEM IS MAYOR, I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM CHANGING IT AT ALL, AT THIS TIME. WE'RE OPENING THE CITY UP. WE'RE OPENING THE COMMUNITIES UP. WE'RE TAKING COMMUNITIES THAT UNDERSTOOD THERE WOULD NEVER BE A DENSITY HIGHER THAN A NUMBER, WHICH I.GUESS WAS TEN (10), AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO TO SIXTEEN (16) AND WE'RE ALMOST ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY PERCENT (150%) GREATER CAPACITY ON THAT PARTICULAR PARCEL OF PROPERTY IN AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I, COMMISSIONERS WOULD ADVISE CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 13, 2001 PAGE 6 OF 22 YOU ON THE MOTION THAT'S IN FRONT OF US TO VOTE IT DOWN AND LET'S HAVE ANOTHER MOTION." MAYOR PARTYKA STATED, "I BELIEVE THE MOST DENSE IN TERMS OF DENSITY UNITS PER ACRE IS TWELVE (12) AT THIS POINT IN TIME." CITY ATTORNEY GARGANESE RESPONDED, "THAT IS CORRECT. THAT'S YOUR HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY." COMMISSIONER BLAKE STATED, "I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING, I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT GOING TO SIXTEEN (16), I KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. BUT I ASKED STAFF MOMENTS AGO, RIGHT IN THIS MEETING AND THEY SAID IT WAS TEN (10). BUT THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN ERROR, AT LEAST TWELVE (12). DO WE KNOW?" CITY ATTORNEY GARGANESE STATED, "I AM LOOKING RIGHT AT THE COMP PLAN IT SAYS HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL'S DEFINED AS 9.1 TO TWELVE (12)." MAYOR PARTYKA STATED, "SO WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT. CURRENTLY, IT'S TWELVE (12). OKAY. ANOTHER PIECE ON THIS I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY FOR EVERYBODY, NOTHING HERE IS FIRM. EVERYTHING IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE. SO THE PROCESS IS THE P AND Z HAD IT, NOW IT'S UP TO US. SO EVERYTHING HERE IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE AND FINAL APPROVAL BY THIS COMMISSION. SO THIS IS THE FINAL STEP IN THAT AREA." COMMISSIONER BLAKE STATED, "MR. MAYOR, UPON FURTHER ENLIGHTENMENT I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER McLEOD. I WOULD NOT SUPPORT EVEN MY OWN MOTION ON THIS. I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK BACK AT TWELVE (12). VOTE: COMMISSIONER MILLER: NAY COMMISSIONER BLAKE: NAY DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD: NAY COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: NAY MOTION DID NOT CARRY. Commissioner Blake then said, "Mr. Mayor, I don't think this would require a vote, I think just consensus. I would like to see the number set, is the maximum - to twelve (12) units per gross acre." Mayor Partyka asked the Commission for a consensus and stated, "Let the record show that they've agreed on twelve (12) units per acre on High Density." CITY OF WINTER SPRlNGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 13,2001 PAGE 7 OF 22 Deputy Mayor McLeod stated, "As we move through these Elements, I would appreciate Staff on things - of changes of this nature, changes that would affect possibly Zonings, that those things be pointed out to us. You know where they're at. I don't want to sit here and try to feel that we have to read line by line to find them, or we have to take the old one and set it next to it. And I don't mean that you're trying to slide something past us. We may very well agree with what you've done - what the Staff has done. But I would just not want to have to sit here and try to figure out what happened on any given Element or any page that is different than what we've had. So something that is a major change, and I consider this a major change, I would appreciate Staff informing us as we move through this. Thank you." In regards to Parks, Schools, and Trails, Commissioner Martinez stated, "If you go to 1- 36, Policy 1.11.1, it is very clear - it says that 'By 2002, Public Schools shall be listed in the Zoning chapter as uses allowed in all Zoning districts with the exception of Conservation, Mobile Home Parks, and Heavy Industrial Zoning districts'. If we have a Chapter here that says all Zoning districts, I don't know why we have to insert it here." Manager McLemore agreed with this. Commissioner Blake added, "I agree upon looking at this further and - we even implemented here just last year, the Public Schools Element that - being embodied within this here, and it does say Civic Facilities. . One of the keys to this is you want it to be as general and as broad as possible so that it takes in those things that you don't ordinarily think of today, five (5) years from now. So I think I would be in favor of leaving it just how it us." Deputy Mayor McLeod stated, "I also would be in agreement to leave it as written." Mayor Partyka stated, "Let the record show that the Commission agrees to leave it the way it is." Commissioner Blake said, "I don't see the Town Center Land Use. Is there no longer going to be a Town Center ..." Ms. Crowe stated, "It's Mixed Use. It's there, it's the Mixed Use category, it's Town Center and Employment Center, and then there is the Town Center Zoning Code which we are not recommending a single change to, is the Zoning Code and that's the only Zoning district." Commissioner Blake stated, ''No, I am not talking Zoning districts, I am talking Land Use districts. And we have currently have a Town Center Land Use." Ms. Crowe stated, "The 891 acres is in there." Commissioner Blake stated, ''No, but I don't see it up there. What I see are other Land Use categories. But I don't see a category up there that says Town Center. Now I understand what your saying is that Town Center is a Mixed Use type category. But we've had some difference between the Town Center district, or Town Center Land Use category, which is Mixed Use in character, and other Mixed Use parcels in the City. And they are not the same, and I don't see that up there and that concerns me greatly, because I don't want to have some of the densities that we are allowing in the Town Center Land- Use category for instance, next to a neighborhood like Tuscawilla for instance, which has some Mixed Use land next to it, next to Residential uses." Discussion followed. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 13,2001 PAGE 8 OF 22 Manager McLemore asked, "Under your Mixed Use categories you have Employment Center as a Mixed Use and you have Town Center as Mixed Use? And there are no others?" Ms. Crowe stated, "That is correct." Attorney Garganese stated, "One practical concern, and it may not be a major concern but it is a concern, by doing it this way you give a property owner, in the current Town Center, the ability to apply for a Zoning change to the other Zoning category Employment Center. I just wanted to bring that up. I mean that's potentially a concern because you may sometime in the future have to fight a Zoning battle with somebody applying for that change." Commissioner Blake asked, "Why would we be advised not to have a Land Use category named Town Center, or to not have a Land Use category named, now apparently, the Employment Center as opposed to the Greeneway Interchange District? Why would we not want to have Land Use categories under those names?" Attorney Garganese responded, "I think you can do it either way. We went through a tremendous effort to create a Town Center Land Use designation, Given the amount of effort that the Commission has endeavored and went forward in creating the Town Center, I think it's a paramount public interest for this Commission to protect the Town Center and policies and objectives that were created about a year ago. It's been a four (4) year process but it culminated about a year ago. Again, I would just bring up the point that somebody could apply for a Zoning change and make an argument, and present a case to this Commission for a different Zoning designation, Employment Zoning designation in the Town Center. And we'd have to fight a Zoning battle if this Commission denied it. And if we lost that battle you would have an Employment designation - right in the middle of our Town Center." Commissioner Blake asked, "Mr. Attorney, would we also not have to go through and actual Land Use change if we change the name, and ultimately perhaps the definition of the land the currently falls under a Land Use category that is being eliminated? Wouldn't we have to go through process to reassign that as some other?" Attorney Garganese responded, "This would be the process. Your EAR Amendments as a Comprehensive Plan Amendment process." Commissioner Blake stated, "Someplace it would say under - current format that if property, all property currently falls under the Land Use category of Town Center Land Use is now being redefined as land in the Mixed Use." Attorney Garganese stated, "It wouldn't be that specific. It wouldn't need to be." Commissioner Blake stated, "Mr. Mayor, my opinion is that I wish to retain the Town Center District Land Use category. I also wish to retain that area formally known as Greeneway Interchange District Land Use area. I don't have a problem with changing the name to Employment Center, in fact I think that's probably an advisable move. But each of those individual Land Use areas I would like to retain as individual areas. Also specifically so that in the future if we come to a time when we need to alter one (1), I CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 13,2001 PAGE 9 OF 22 would like to alter one (1) and not the other, I think we would retain that flexibility as well." Discussion followed. Deputy Mayor McLeod stated, "Mayor, I agree with you on keeping that as the Interchange - the way that we've had it - all of our records if you go back through all that we've had, we have records talking about it all the way through there; and I also agree with Commissioner Blake that we definitely need to keep the Town Center, and I think the one other thing that needs - to be changed, is we change the Rural to Rustic, on this chart also." Deputy Mayor McLeod further said, "The ones in the book do need to be changed." Ms. Crowe agreed. Mixed Use and the Town Center Zoning district were further discussed. Attorney Garganese stated, "This Commission shouldn't be put in a position to have to fight a battle over a ZOIting Application in the Town Center. The Town Center has been specifically defined. If we want to beef up the language and keep it as is, we need to make sure that the Town Center stays where it is currently, that we don't have to fight a battle in the future. My job is to locate potential battles and advise the Commission and I have. The way it is set up right now, there could be a battle sometime in the future on the Zoning Change application. The language in here specifically says two (2) Zoning districts have been established to allow Mixed Uses, a mix of uses, Town Center and Employment Center. Therefore a consistency argument could very easily be made that either Zoning district is appropriate for a Mixed Use category." Ms. Crowe asked, "If it's defined geographically, is that acceptable though - if it's defined geographically right there when as soon as you flip to the Town Center it says that's the only use that's appropriate in a specific, in that area and within that Master Plan. And the Master Plan is in here, it's going to be attached to the Comp Plan. Would that be acceptable?" Attorney Garganese responded, "Depending on the language. I mean the language has to be extremely tight, but you could put a legal description in and limit the Town Center." Attorney Garganese further stated, "It's not as tight as having it's own Future Land Use designation, and I specifically stated at the beginning of this project to get a copy of the Ordinance and insure that the Town Center Future Land Use designation be put into the Comprehensive Plan. So I thought I made myself pretty clear on that point." Commissioner Blake stated, "Mr. Mayor, my position is as I've already stated, I wish to have each of those categories reserved." Commissioner McLeod stated, "I also echo the same thing." Commissioner Martinez stated, "The explanation by the Attorney and what the Commissioners have said, I agree." Commissioner Miller stated, "I'll go along with the Attorney's guidance." Mayor Partyka stated, "We have a consensus of this, so it will be separated out." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 13.2001 PAGE 10 OF 22 Manager McLemore spoke of the Leerdam Property Land Use Designation and stated, "We need to retain the Mixed Use underlying land use for that piece of property." Discussion ensued. Ms. Crowe asked, "Do you want it to just be Mixed Use, or do you want it to say Neighborhood Mixed Use or something that implies a little bit if a lesser density, than the Town Center," Manager McLemore responded, "We could have a residential type Mixed Use and then a general type of Mixed Use - would allow some Multi-Family and Commercial together. We could have a type of - I personally think we could work with it as one Mixed Use category. In this case we are talking about a combination of Residential and Commercial. There may be other cases where we want a combination of Single-Family and Multi- Family, I think we could handle it, to be honest with you." Ms. Crowe clarified, "Just Mixed Use then?" Manager McLemore said, "I think so." Commissioner Blake agreed and said, "I think so too." Further discussion ensued on Mixed Use and Commercial property. Tape 2/Side A Deputy Mayor McLeod said "Staff has had to look at these maps, 1 hope, and 1 hope Staff had input. Now 1 have a question of why Staff would take that Mixed Use piece that had homes and the commercial on it and get rid of the Mixed Use off there and put it as Commercial?" Discussion. Mayor Partyka said, "Now what do we want to do about this specific area?" Deputy Mayor McLeod said, "Mayor, my point is - we're having changes going on that has - 1 believe - much deeper facts here than what we're trying to just approve tonight." Brief discussion ensued on the approval process. . Deputy Mayor McLeod added, "So there is nothing else from then on Staff would ever have to do on notifications, any changes or anything else to that piece of property?" Attorney Garganese said, "Your notification would be an advertisement in the newspaper to agenda this for city council approval." Deputy Mayor McLeod stated, "I think it is an oversight on our part. 1 look at it that way because 1 think it needs to stay right where it is - Mixed Use." Commissioner Blake said, "Mayor, 1 would like to see the third category of just standard Mixed Use. I don't think it needs an identifier other than just Mixed Use." Mayor Partyka said, "Everybody agree on that?" All right. Let the record show that." Commissioner Blake asked, "Do we have a category of Conservation or is it simply an Overlay over other categories?" Ms. Crowe stated, "We're recommending you have both. You have a Conservation Land Use designation and you would have a Conservation Overlay." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 13.2001 PAGE I I OF 22 Regarding Policy 1,2.6, Floodplains., Commissioner Blake asked "Does this say that you can develop in the floodplain or does it not say that? Is that addressed elsewhere? Because I think this Commission specifically said, we do not want to allow development in the floodplain." Ms. Crowe said that "Per your current Code of Ordinances and it does say that you could develop if you met this criteria." Attorney Garganese asked if the current Ordinance had been reviewed. Ms Crowe reiterated. her previous comments and said, "If you don't want any development in the floodplains, period, even if they meet certain criteria that's at your discretion, I'll be glad to take that out." Deputy Mayor McLeod then said, "Mayor, that Ordinance is 2001-04, and it's the Flood Zone Ordinance. It does at the very end of it, it speaks to the eighteen (18) inches. I would just suggest that - if that Ordinance definitely does spell out that there is not to be any building there, then I would say take it out. Ifit doesn't say that, then I think it needs to come back and we need to be aware of that." Commissioner Blake added, "There is a difference between a floodplain and a floodway, and I think what we in that Ordinance prohibited was encroachment into the floodway." Deputy Mayor McLeod agreed with this statement. Mayor Partyka stated, "So, floodplains at this point in time is okay? Right? Is everybody in agreement on that? Okay. Good." Attorney Garganese asked about page 1-5, Industrial. Currently, you permit Adult Entertainment establishments in Industrial - I think it is wise that you put a provision under this Industrial category that would specifically allow Adult Entertainment establishments if you want to keep the policy of having establishments in that area. This way, any Adult Entertainment codes you may adopt in the future are consistent with your Comprehensive Plan. So we would need to just add a paragraph, and I will be happy to give some language, because I have done them before." Attorney Garganese added, "We'll put a provision in there that says something like this, 'That Adult Entertainment establishments and other types of establishments that create adverse secondary effects on the community such as deprivation of property, values in surrounding areas that may increase crimes, those types of establishments - can be permitted in the industrial area pursuant to land development regulations that get adopted in the future.'" Furthermore, Attorney Garganese said, "If you want to continue to allow them in industrial areas, then your Comprehensive Plan should say that." Mayor Partyka asked, "The question is by our City Attorney is - to allow him to put some kind of statement on Adult Entertainment. Okay? Are we all in agreement on this?" Commissioner Martinez stated, "It's important." Deputy Mayor McLeod said, "Fine. If the City Attorney says it has to be in, it has to be in." With further consultation, Mayor Partyka stated, "This Commission by consensus has agreed." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 13.2001 PAGE 12 OF 22 At the request of Commissioner Blake, Policy 1.5.1 on page I-32 was read by Ms. Crowe. Ms, Crowe then said, "The first part of it, you're just concerned about the clause at the end, correct? The first part of it you want it to say that you don't want to allow inconsistent uses adjacent to..." Commissioner Blake stated, "I agree with that part." Regarding the latter part of the statement, Ms. Crowe said, "Maybe I can at a later date, get with City Attorney Garganese to see if there is better language for that." Commissioner Blake added, "As long as you understand." Ms. Crow then suggested, "I would say for now at least, let's take out the clause at the end," Commissioner Blake added, "I would just suggest that if you talk with our Attorney and you guys come up with language that does what we are trying to do, then I'm fine with it." Ms. Crowe agreed and said, "But for now, let's take out the clause if you don't mind." Mayor Partyka said, "Is this Commission in agreement with that?" Commissioner Martinez said, "Yes." Mayor Partyka stated, "All right. The Commission basically has by consensus agreed to that." Growth management and school concurrency issues were next discussed. "I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE HAVE REVIEWED TONIGHT WITH ALL ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, CORRECTIONS, AS DIRECTED BY THIS COMMISSION TONIGHT." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ. SECONDED. DISCUSSION. DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD INQUIRED, "WILL WE SEE THESE CHANGES BEFORE THIS IS SENT OFF?" MS. CROWE SAID, "YES, BUT IT WILL COME BACK TO YOU FOR A TRANSMITTAL HEARING." DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD FURTHER SAID, "WOULD YOU DO US A FAVOR AND MAKE SURE THAT AS THESE ELEMENTS ARE CHANGED THAT YOU WOULD REFERENCE THE PAGE AND THE ELEMENT NUMBER, SO WHEN WE GET THE NEW BOOKS, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GO RIGHT TO THEM.". COMMISSIONER BLAKE AND DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD FURTHER SUGGESTED THAT A CHANGE SHEET BE PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION. VOTE: DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD: AYE COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER BLAKE: AYE MOTION CARRIED. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 13,2001 PAGE 13 OF 22 .:. .:. AGENDA NOTE: THE SPECIAL MEETING WAS THEN TURNED OVER TO THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY. .:. .:. Vice Chairman Brown of the Local Planning Agency called a break at 8:27 p,m. Vice Chairman Brown of the Local Planning Agency called the Meeting back to Order at 8:35 p.m. Population Ms, Patricia A. Tyjeski, AICP, of Land Design Innovations, Inc" stated, "This is not one of the required Elements. This is background information for all the Elements. We have put it as an Appendix to the Land Use Element, since it is the most closely related Element to this background data." Ms. Tyjeski further explained that "We are going with the linear historic project and that would bring the population to 37,000 by the year 2010." Vice Chairman Brown suggested this information be added to the Table of Contents, and . possibly at the end. Ms. Tyjeski added, "It would nice to put it in the Table of Contents. We'll find a place." Discussion ensued on annexations. Vice' Chairman Brown stated, "If we are going to annex other areas - as Ms. Karr said, there was an emphasis put on that. We were presented a chart that showed annexations, anticipations of going in - directions. We'll leave that open to the Commission to review. Mr. Mayor, you can make a little note of that. " Employment and growth was next briefly discussed. "I MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COMMISSION THAT THIS POPULATION PROJECTION SECTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BE ACCEPTED." MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER STEPHENS. SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER GREGORY. DISCUSSION. VOTE: BOARD MEMBER GREGORY: AYE BOARD MEMBER KARR: AYE VICE CHAIRMAN BROWN: AYE BOARD MEMBER STEPHENS: AYE MOTION CARRIED. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 13.2001 PAGE 14 OF 22 .:. .:. AGENDA NOTE: THE SPECIAL MEETING WAS tHEN TURNED OVER TO THE CITY COMMISSION. .:..:. Discussion, "I HAVE COME UP WITH THE PARTYKA-MILLER MODEL WHICH IS SOMEWHAT BETWEEN BOTH OF THEIR NUMBERS AND I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A NUMBER OF 40,726 AND THAT'S MY MOTION." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLAKE. MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND. "I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE INFORMATION THAT WE HA VE IN FRONT OF US AT THIS TIME." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ. DISCUSSION. VOTE: COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: AYE COMMISSIONER BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD: AYE MOTION CARRIED. .:..:. AGENDA NOTE: THE SPECIAL MEETING WAS THEN TURNED OVER TO THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY. .:..:. Transportation Ms. Tyjeski introduced this Element and explained that the Traffic Study had been updated in 1999 by CPR Engineers, Inc., and stated, "What we did, instead of re-doing all those numbers, we just took their study, put it into our format and copied their maps, their tables, and tried to incorporate that into the rest of the Transportation modes that we had to address." Furthermore, Ms. Tyjeski stated that "This may go to the State and they may send it back saying that - it needs to be updated. So we have added a policy saying that we are aware of the discrepancy in the population projection and that the City will take care of updating the traffic study, by such and such a date." Regarding bicycle facilities, Ms. Tyjeski said, "In terms of local bicycle facilities, we are saying that the City should look into doing into doing a master plan for bicycle facilities that would come off from the Seminole Trail and maybe serve some of the neighborhoods. " Mass transit, rail lines, and pedestrian mobility were next briefly covered. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 13.2001 PAGE 15 OF 22 On page II-42, Vice Chairman Brown stated, "If you'll notice on the right hand side, you'll see Shetland Avenue going all the way to Red Bug on this map and many other maps. That is not true, Shetland A venue goes to Citrus. Citrus goes from Red Bug up so far and then turns and goes over to Tuskawilla. I don't know who controls Citrus, I imagine the County does. But the County and I am sure the City, they have closed off Morgan and put a cul-de-sac there, and there is a development back in there, and that road should not be closed." Further, Chairman Brown said, "I think the City of Winter Springs should take an effort to open up Citrus - from Tuskawilla to Citrus." Also of concern to Vice Chairman Brown was noted on page II-27. "If you'll look at the count date you'll see that it's 1996. These papers go to the State and I think we've got another year; so that would be five (5) years, if that date is right that these counts were taken. Five (5) years from the date we submit this. Because right now, if you'll look at- and III go right back to Shetland and these other roads again. Shetland is now becoming a tremendous traffic road." Vice Chairman Brown added, "That information again will go to the Commission and they can handle that." Additionally, Vice Chairman Brown stated, "Closing off Citrus is wrong" and suggested that this be taken care of. Tape 2/Side B Board Member Stephens spoke of Fischer Road. Mr. Kipton D. Lockcuff, P.E., Public W orksfUtility Department Director addressed Board Member Stephens' concerns. Mr. Lockcuff suggested the following changes: "On Map II-2, we need to add the signals on Tuskawilla." Further, Mr. Lockcuff suggested, "On Map II-8, we've got Bahama Road connecting to Winding Hollow. That's okay with me, but I think we took that out before though." Mr. Lockcuff then said, "On that same map, we will be adding Hickory as a collector road, north of the west quadrant of the Town Center there. Just a couple comments on - Policy 1.3.3 on II-47, requiring subdivisions greater than thirty (30) units having more than two (2) access points. I support that." Mr. Lockcuff added, "That's probably going to be a policy that should come back to you repeatedly that people don't want to meet." Regarding Policy 1.9.7 on page II-53, Mr. Lockcuff said, "I think we should strike that. I believe that is talking about Tuskawilla from basically south of 434. North of 434 is not an arterial, so I think that is already done. I would recommend going and striking that completely. " "I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND IT WITH THE RESERVATIONS CONCERNING THE POINTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP UNDER CONSIDERATION." MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER GREGORY. SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER STEPHENS. DISCUSSION. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 13, 2001 PAGE 16 OF 22 VOTE: BOARD MEMBER STEPHENS: AYE VICE CHAIRMAN BROWN: AYE BOARD MEMBER KARR: AYE BOARD MEMBER GREGORY: AYE MOTION CARRIED. .:. .:. AGENDA NOTE: THE SPECIAL MEETING WAS THEN TURNED OVER TO THE CITY COMMISSION. .:..:. Commissioner Miller spoke of Shepard Road and stated that it "Shows a very large amount of traffic and there are several intersection - enhancements going to be made, and Shepard Road shows - it being converted to, I think it's a four (4) lane road which will probably require - some intersection work where it meets Sheoah Boulevard, and that's not shown as one of the ones on 2-42." Furthermore, Commissioner Miller suggested "I would like that connection from Winding Hollow to Bahama taken out, because we agreed a year ago I think, that that road would never be connected." Commissioner Martinez stated, "As far as Citrus being closed off is concerned, the developer of the 200 homes that he mentioned, at the bequest of the people there, the residents, the people who bought those properties, asked the County to close that street off, because they were happier without through traffic. I spoke to a couple of Commissioners at the time when this thing was going on and that's what they informed me was happening." Mayor Partyka stated, "In terms of a specific here - fix Bahama Road on the map; and also add Hickory." Mayor Partyka stated, "Let the record show that the Commission agrees with those changes on that map." On Map II-3, Commissioner Blake stated, "We don't have a circle around the Town Center area." Commissioner Blake further said, "It's interesting to me that the part that's going to be developed first, is not yellow." Ms. Tyjeski responded by saying, "Yes, we need to show that." Commissioner Blake added, "It says future, future traffic generated; and currently there is not something to generate traffic." Mayor Partyka stated, "I think this Commission would agree with that in terms of it being a busy future area - so yes, you could fix that." On page II-44, Policy 1.1.2, Commissioner Blake questioned the word "State" and said, "The problem is that we are greatly limiting ourselves to something that is out of our control." Discussion. Commissioner Blake added, "I am concerned about whether this Element will prohibit a citizen from developing property that otherwise might be developed." As a possible solution, Commissioner Blake suggested, "The City shall not permit development within the municipal limits if it will cause the Level of Service of CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 13,2001 PAGE 17 OF 22 any state arterial road to decrease below the level." Ms. Tyjeski stated, "We will just check 9J5 and see what we have." Mr. Lockcuff suggested a couple of other considerations: "On Map II-8, we are going to extend Vistawilla and Tuscora obviously to 434 as Collectors, and not stopping at the Trail." The consensus of the Commission was agreement. Commissioner Blake spoke of 1.3.1, and said "I am concerned about 1.3.1 for a couple of reasons, because we do have provision for people to have narrower roadways and currently it has to be in a private community, it takes the burden off the taxpayers. If a community decides they want to have those narrower roadways - we don't allow that anymore; but we now have a policy though or we are going to have a policy that states that we're going to encourage it." Mayor Partyka suggested the following to be included in this paragraph: "Consistent with Neo-traditional Town Center neighborhood development. " Regarding comments by Commissioner Blake, Attorney Garganese stated, "I think it was a great catch by Commissioner Blake - is that the policy says the City shall not permit development. It's not a question of adopting a Level of Service. There is a provision in Chapter 163 which says in order to limit the liability of local governments, a local government may allow a landowner to proceed with development of a specific parcel of land, not withstanding a failure of the development to satisfy transportation concurrency, providing it meets certain factors under the Statute. It was a great catch. I would recommend that you - delete at least a portion of that policy that would flat out prohibit development, because there appears to be some flexibility in the Florida Statutes to limit municipalities liability on this issue." Attorney Garganese added that, "You have to adopt the Level of Service." Mayor Partyka asked Attorney Garganese for his recommendation regarding Policy 1.1.2. on page II-44. Attorney Garganese stated, "I would at least delete the first sentence of that policy. Mayor Partyka asked the Commission for their input, and summarized, "This Commission agrees to go along with what you have suggested." NOTE: Technical problems arose with the remainder of Tape 2. so a new tape was used from this point on, Tape 3/Side A The Commission discussed the size of subdivisions and access points. Regarding setting a specific size, Mayor Partyka asked, "Is there a number that we need to have, or do we eliminate it?" Mr. Lockcuff spoke of past practice. Attorney Garganese said that it should be a Policy decision. Deputy Mayor McLeod stated, "Eliminate it, Mayor." Discussion. "I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WE GET RID OF POLICY 1.3.3." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BLAKE. DISCUSSION. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 13,2001 PAGE 18 OF 22 VOTE: COMMISSIONER BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD: AYE COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Mayor Partyka stated, "That piece goes away," Traffic issues and possible inconsistencies were next discussed by Members of the Commission. M. Tyjeski stated, "LDI, we're encouraging connectivity. We have seen studies that show that once you create subdivisions that all deal with the same road, you create traffic problems." Further discussion. "I WOULD LIKE TO ELIMINATE POLICY 1.3.8." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLAKE. SECONDED BY COMMISSION MILLER. DISCUSSION. "I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT WE STRIKE POLICY - 1.3.4." AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND. VOTE: COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER BLAKE: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD: NAY MOTION CARRIED. Mayor Partyka stated, "1.3.8 has been eliminated." Discussion. "I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND OR CHANGE THE WORDING IN 1.3.4, STRIKING - 'SHALL BE REQUIRED' AND INSERT 'ARE ENCOURAGED' - 'SHALL BE ENCOURAGED' - 'ENCOURAGED' FOR 'REQUIRED.'" MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLAKE. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. DISCUSSION. ATTORNEY GARGANESE STATED, "ON THE CONNECTIVITY ISSUE, WHAT THIS POLICY WOULD PROHIBIT WOULD BE, IF YOU HAVE TWO (2) ADJACENT VACANT LANDS, AND TWO (2) DIFFERENT OWNERS AND EACH OWNER WANTED TO BUILD A GATED COMMUNITY; THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO A GATED COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THE TWO (2) SEPARATE SUBDIVISIONS WOULD HAVE TO BE CONNECTED. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 13,2001 PAGE 19 OF 22 SO THERE WOULDN'T BE AN EXCLUSIVE GATED COMMUNITY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONNECT WITH ANOTHER SUBDIVISION. THAT'S WHAT THIS POLICY WOULD PROHIBIT." MAYOR PARTYKA STATED, "THE KEY WORD IS 'ENCOURAGED.'" VOTE: DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD: NAY COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: NAY COMMISSIONER BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: NAY MOTION DID NOT CARRY. Ms. Tyjeski commented, "That stays as 'Shall be required?'" Mayor Partyka stated, "That stays." "I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE STRIKE POLICY - 1.3.4. THIS WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT FUTURE GATED COMMUNITIES HAVING TO HAVE STUB OUTS. THE OTHER ONE SAID 'SHALL,' ALL WE DID WAS CHANGE - TO 'ENCOURAGE' - SO THIS WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT AT ALL. IF THEY WANT TO BUILD A GATED COMMUNITY THEY DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH - JUST ELIMINATE IT." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND. Discussion. "I WOULD BE WILLING TO REVISIT COMMISSIONER BLAKE'S INITIAL MOTION." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BLAKE. DISCUSSION. MAYOR PARTYKA STATED, "SO THE MOTION IS TO CHANGE FROM 'REQUIRED' TO 'ENCOURAGE.'" VOTE: COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: NAY COMMISSIONER BLAKE: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Mayor Partyka stated, "That word 'Required' goes to 'Encouraged.'" CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 13,2001 PAGE 20 OF 22 The Commission discussed Policy 1.9.7. "MY MOTION NOW - THAT WE ADOPT P AND Z'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, TO INCLUDE THE AMENDMENTS, CHANGES, AND STRIKE OUTS THAT WE HAVE MADE - THEN THAT WOULD EMBODY THAT." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLAKE. SECONDED BY COMMISSION MARTINEZ. DISCUSSION. VOTE: COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER BLAKE: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Ms. Tyjeski spoke about Shepard Road and said, "Widened to three (3) lanes, so that may not require that intersection improvement?" Commissioner Miller responded, "Right now, the traffic on - that segment between Sheoah Boulevard and 17-92 is 5,000 cars a day; and all the rest of the roads in - the Highlands are 2,000 or 1,000; and the map that I gave Kip clearly shows that the road is going to be enlarged to three (3) lanes, and the three (3) lanes will go right down to Sheoah Boulevard, so I don't know how you are going to do that without making some intersection changes on Sheaoh Boulevard." Ms. Tyjeski said, "Okay, that's fine." Commissioner Martinez asked, " I have seen some reference here to BattIeridge. Is it possible that we could correct that?" Ms. Tyjeski said, "We can just put the new name next to it." Commissioner Martinez agreed. .:..:. AGENDA NOTE: THE SPECIAL MEETING WAS THEN TURNED OVER TO THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY. .:. .:. Housing Discussion. Under III-48, Objective 2.4, Board Member Stephens suggested, "This says 'The City shall promote infill development by supporting alternative development standards where necessary'. I would put a comma there, cross 'And where necessary feasible and where such development is consistent with existing Zoning.' That's my suggestion." Discussion. Vice Chairman Brown stated, "We have a consensus, okay." Manager McLemore suggested that no further action be taken on the Housing Element at this time. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 13.2001 PAGE210F22 "I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE - OBJECTIVE 2.4." MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER STEPHENS. SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER GREGORY. DISCUSSION. NOTE: No Vote was taken on this Motion. Vice Chairman Brown asked, "On historic housing, you mentioned one property that is outside - I belong to the Sanford Historical Society so I'm really up on that, and one building you mentioned that is on the outside on Springs Avenue, I don't know if that is the building that is Springs Wharf or not. But Springs Wharf is in the County, I had mentioned this to the Mayor about a year ago; and it would be good if we could get it annexed into the City. It's the only historical site that is even near this City, as far as history goes." Deputy Mayor McLeod departed the Special Meeting at approximately 9:55 p.m, Board Member Karr asked, "III-42, and its regarding relocation of residences that are displaces by City actions. I just wanted something said in there about how much notice we give these people who are being displaced." "I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND IT WITH THESE RESERVATIONS THAT WE'VE NOTED." MOTION BY BOARD MEMBER GREGORY. SECONDED BY BOARD MEMBER STEPHENS. DISCUSSION. VOTE: VICE CHAIRMAN BROWN: NAY BOARD MEMBER STEPHENS: AYE BOARD MEMBER KARR: AYE BOARD MEMBER GREGORY: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Board Member Gregory added, "That is with the understanding that we can all be here for this Meeting and have any input with the Commission, so we can still express our. . ." .:. .:. AGENDA NOTE: THE SPECIAL MEETING WAS THEN TURNED OVER TO THE CITY COMMISSION. .:..:. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER \3,2001 PAGE 22 OF 22 III. ADJOURNMENT "I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING, GIVING THE CITY MANAGER AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK TO US WITH HIS RECCOMENDA TIONS IN THIS AREA. BUT- AND BEFORE WE GO, I'D LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT WE NEED TO SET A MEETING - A SPECIAL MEETING, AND I MIGHT RECOMMEND MONDA Y EVENING." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLAKE. MAYOR PARTYKA STATED, "THERE IS A MOTION TO ADJOURN AND ALSO A MOTION TO MAKE MONDAY NIGHT AS A WORKSHOP - THAT'S FOR THE BUDGET, THAT'S THE 17TH." SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. DISCUSSION. VOTE: COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER BLAKE: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Mayor Partyka thanked everyone involved in tonight's Special Meeting for his or her assistance. Mayor Partyka adjourned the Meeting at 10:06 p.m. PAUL P. P.J~:RTYKA ]\.1.A YOR NOTE: These minutes were approved at the October 8, 2001 Regular City Commission Meeting.