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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2007 08 13 Consent 205 Approval of the July 30, 2007 Workshop Minutes CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP JUL Y 30, 2007 CALL TO ORDER The Workshop of Monday, July 30,2007 of the City Commission was called to Order by Deputy Mayor Sally McGinnis at 5:16 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida 32708). Roll Call: Mayor John F. Bush, absent Deputy Mayor Sally McGinnis, present Commissioner Robert S. Miller, arrived at 5:19 p.m. Commissioner Rick Brown, present Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore, present Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs, present City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, present City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, present INFORMA TIONAL AGENDA INFORMATIONAL 100. Information Services Department Elert & Associates Wishes To Present The "Wifi Business Plan Final Report". The City Manager Recommends Business Model #1. Mr. Peter Gray, Technology Consultant, Elert and Associates, 140 jrd Street South, Stillwater, Minnesota: addressed the City Commission regarding this Agenda Item. Commissioner Robert S. Miller arrived at 5:19 p.m. Discussion. Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore asked, "You just made the statement that it would cover, how big an area? Five hundred feet (500')?" Mr. Gray replied, "Yes, roughly a radius of five hundred feet (500') per access point." Commissioner Gilmore continued, "But in your Report, you sayan area of a few hundred square feet. Now a five hundred foot (500') radius covers quite - that is significantly more than a few hundred square feet." Mr. Gray said, "I guess that's a little bit of a typo in there then. It should be five hundred feet (500'), and that's - kind of an average." c:::a ~ ~ C':::) Cd ~ Q..... ~ ~ :==- CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP - JULY 30, 2007 PAGE20F8 Further discussion. Ms. Milda Hedblom, Ph.D., JD., Hubert H Humphrey Institute of Public Affairs, University of Minnesota, 301 19th Avenue South, Minneapolis, Minnesota: spoke to the City Commission on issues related to this Agenda Item. Discussion continued. City Manager Ronald W. McLemore asked ahout the second model and inquired, "Who is paying for all the gadgets inside the buildings?" Mr. Gray commented, "There's no subscription service on this. It'd be purely outside wireless." Manager McLemore asked, "This is external service only?" Mr. Gray replied, "External service only." Manager McLemore continued, "So, this is not getting inside buildings, making buildings work?" Mr. Gray responded, "Yes." Further discussion. Mr. Nick Dragisich, Executive Vice President, Springsted Incorporated, 380 Jackson Street, Suite 300, Saint Paul, Minnesota: addressed the City Commission. Further discussion. Commissioner Rick Brown suggested, "I assume we would set this up on some kind of Franchise Agreement." Manager McLemore remarked, "Sure." Ms. Hedblom commented, "It's real clear under - this approach that cities can provide, as you've been talking about, a public service without charge. That the City can choose to do; how it gets there is up to the City? Does it pay for and run it or does it work a deal with a private provider. That's the City's choice, but if there's no revenue stream connected to it, the law says you can choose to do that as a public service." Discussion continued. Regarding Jetta Point, Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs said, "My question is, I did not see Central Winds [Park] in that scenario, so if we were not going to consider J etta Point, could we consider the fifth as Central Winds [Park]." Manager McLemore commented, "We are." Further discussion. Tape 1/Side B ~ r::""t:':J ~~ ~ ~ C-.e Q..... ~ CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP - JULY 30, 2007 PAGE 3 OF 8 Ms. Hedblom remarked, "For those folks, they're going to have a charged service. They're going to have the access code, if you want to use that kind of language, in order to use it. They're not just going to be able to pull up and use it. They're going to have to pay them for it. What you're anticipating, I think, under this model, is that you could negotiate with them that there would be specific hotspot areas of the City, that you hope their footprint would encompass enough or some of what you want to accomplish. And for that area you might get some kind of a deal worked out where you could get free access, exterior access, from that service. Whether that's possible, you need to try to negotiate. And that actually leads me to a second point that I wanted to make. I think you seem to have a strong interest in pursuing that model. It makes sense, given what conversation going on. I would think it makes sense also for you to keep in mind that since you've only got that one (1) provider right now with that particular kind of technology and desire, you might keep in mind that you might find yourselves needing to think about if the City wants to have hotspots, but that deal doesn't work with that provider. That's another matter. Then you revisit your options." Commissioner Brown commented, "I don't think we have a timeline so if this one doesn't want to provide those or can't provide those, there's nothing that says we have to have this here. We can wait until the right opportunity comes along." Discussion. Regarding the length of contracts, Ms. Hedblom commented, "If you were to say which way should the City want to have, I would say a shorter term contract." Ms. Hedblom continued, "I guess my bottom line recommendation would to be have that conversation and see how close you can get to what you want and what they want." Deputy Mayor McGinnis asked, "Can we say who that provider is?" Manager McLemore said, "The brandname is Clearwire." Ms. Hedblom commented, "And that by the way is a kind of technology that's known as WiMax, not WiFi. And that of course sits on a different spectrum." With further comments, Ms. Hedblom commented, "If it's free hotspot..." Commissioner Krebs asked, ".. . And where is that signal coming from?" Mr. Gray replied, "In the Town Center scenario, there's going to be multiple, other access points located in that area that are all pointing back up to the tower to get that signal." Commissioner Krebs asked, "And those would be put there at the provider's expense?" Mr. Gray responded, "Yes." ,..........., ~ ~ <::::> ~ ~ I ~ ~ :2: ~ CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP - JULY 30, 2007 PAGE40F8 Discussion continued. Ms. Hedblom remarked, "If it were a free service, that would have to be negotiated out with the provider. You couldn't categorically say that would be paid for by the provider if we're talking about a free service." Commissioner Krebs spoke for the Record about number 4 on page 5, and that Central Winds Park is not listed. Furthermore, Commissioner Krebs commented, "I just brought this up only - if we are going to consider this, that we also consider that Central Winds [Park] is one of the free hotspot areas and that if we needed to take Jetta Point out, we could do that; or we could leave it in." Commissioner Brown remarked, "We just incorporate that into City center." Manager McLemore said, "Right." Further discussion. Deputy Mayor McGinnis commented, "As I understand it, our charge tonight is just to accept your Report, discuss it. We will not be voting on any of these options tonight. It will come back to us as an Agenda Item." Manager McLemore said, "That is correct." Manager McLemore continued, "The main thing is to get everybody on the same page from a knowledge base perceptive." Manager McLemore commented, "In this case, you have a private provider who needs our tower space. And we say 'okay', in order to get our tower space, here's what we want back. That's the deal. It's that simple." Manager McLemore continued, "And the other case would be, we'll do it ourselves. We'll put in all the infrastructure and we're going to charge a smaller price than you would; and therefore, you won't be competitive with us and we'll have all the business. Well, maybe." Discussion continued. Deputy Mayor McGinnis said, "We accept the Report. It was very comprehensive." Manager McLemore commented, "We'll bring it back to you by Agenda Item." Ms. Hedblom commented, "He asked whether the slides that were part of the legal discussion need to be visited again and I think not because you're not looking at a revenue model tonight. If you decide you ever get there, then we need to have more conversation. " Further discussion. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Q..... ~~ ~ :----. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP - JULY 30, 2007 PAGE50F8 INFORMATIONAL 101. Community Development Department ADD-ON Wishes To Inform The City Commission About The Upcoming Schedule Of Community Meetings To Be Held For Commission Interaction With The Citizens Of Winter Springs. Mr. Randy Stevenson, ASLA, Director, Community Development Department addressed the City Commission regarding this Agenda Item and stated, "We have in fact confirmed the meeting on Tuesday, September 4th, [2007] in the Highlands Community Clubhouse, at 7 p.m. - we will know tomorrow morning, final confirmation, on the September 5th, [2007] Meeting in Wedgewood Tennis Villas, also at 7:00 p.m." Mr. Stevenson mentioned they were working with a third location. Discussion. Mr. Stevenson suggested something with all the dates be sent out and Deputy Mayor McGinnis suggested a postcard with the dates. Further discussion. Commissioner Brown commented that the Tuscawilla Country Club was fine. Commissioner Krebs mentioned that if possible, that the following week could be looked into. Deputy Mayor McGinnis suggested that we make sure that we have a public address system. Manager McLemore asked, "If the Country Club is available that evening, would you rather go there then to the Tennis Villas?" Commissioner Krebs said, "If it does not cost anything." Deputy Mayor McGinnis commented, "Yes," Deputy Mayor McGinnis noted for the Record about Commissioners having their own Town Hall meetings. Discussion. Manager McLemore commented, "The corporate thing going on which is the City corporation, runs by - Policies set by the Commission. The Commission needs to decide if when you have an individual Meeting by individual Commissioner; if you have a problem with Staff being there. If you don't have a problem with Staff being there, then I will direct them to be there. But that's not a Ron McLemore decision; that's a City Commission decision." ~ ~ ~ c.:':) s::c.:: ~ ~ --x: ~ ~ CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP - JULY 30, 2007 PAGE60F8 Further discussion. Manager McLemore explained, "The easy way to solve this problem is just whenever you're going to have Meeting, let us know, we'll make sure, I will contact the Chief. The Chief will say, this is where I'm going to be." Manager McLemore stated, "But I don't want to get in the middle of a battle between the Commissioners over this issue. You just need to make a policy statement. All you have to do is let me know if you want the Police Chief or whoever there. I will say to the Chief, please have someone there. If he wants to go and - do that; he'll make that decision." Commissioner Brown stated, "I will give you a call and let you know when my next meeting is scheduled and you can let me know how to arrange appropriate services." Commissioner Brown continued, "And if the Commission decides that that is not how they want to provide and you want to Vote on my ability to orchestrate through the City Manager select Staff s services to be there, you just need to let me know." Manager McLemore explained, "Typically in most communities, the Commission would say okay if individual members want to go out and do things and they need the assistance of Staff there to help them carry a message, that's okay. But, we all have that same right and this is our Policy, and here's a way we'll do it. Whenever we want to do that, we get in touch with the City Manager, tell him who he wants and we'll go out and find and provide all that and we're all playing on the same page." Discussion continued. Tape 2/Side A With additional discussion on Town Hall Meetings, Manager McLemore remarked, "All I ask you to do is let me know and I'll make sure that it goes down the line and everything gets coordinated, if that's the Policy of the Commission." Commissioner Brown said, "So, if that needs to come back as an Agenda Item before the Commission, let's get it on the next Agenda." Commissioner Krebs stated, "I think you should." Manager McLemore explained, "I need to know what the wish of the Commission is so that the Staff is not caught in the middle. That's all I need to know. If it's your Policy to support that, then fine, let me know. We'll make sure that right people are there." Further discussion. ~ ~ ~ C".;,:) ~ c...e c..... ~ ~ CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP - JULY 30, 2007 PAGE 70F 8 Deputy Mayor McGinnis suggested that this be an Agenda Item. With discussion, Commissioner Miller commented for the Record about Districts and individual meetings with Commissioners. Commissioner Gilmore then spoke of staffing Issues. Manager McLemore said, "I will do a little Resolution for you to adopt that I think will solve the problem." REGULAR AGENDA REGULAR 600. Office Of The City Manager Discussion Of Additional Budget Workshop Dates. Manager McLemore addressed the City Commission regarding this Agenda Item. Discussion. Commissioner Krebs asked, "What about the [August] 23rd [2007]?" Manager McLemore replied, "Sure. I can be there." Deputy Mayor McGinnis commented, "Okay." Commissioner Krebs asked, "And then the [August] 28th or 29th [2007]?" Manager McLemore said, "Sure." Manager McLemore asked, "Do you want to start on the [August] 23rd [2007] and then leave [August] 28th and 29th [2007] open if you want to go there?" Deputy Mayor McGinnis commented, "If we need to." Commissioner Krebs remarked, "Yes." No objections were noted. Regarding the time, Deputy Mayor McGinnis said, "6:30 [p.m.]." Commissioner Krebs noted, "6:30 [p.m.]." No objections were voiced. In conclusion, Manager McLemore commented, "We leave the [August] 28th and [August] 29th [2007] open, if you want to go after another Meeting after [August] 23rd [2007]." Deputy Mayor McGinnis said, "Right." ~ E=-.r-=1 ~ C"::> ~ Q....a ~ ~ ~ ~ CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP - JULY 30, 2007 PAGE80F8 ADJOURNMENT Deputy Mayor McGinnis adjourned the Workshop at 7:04 p.m. RESPECTFULLYSUBAfITTED: DANIELLE HARKER, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY CLERK AND ANDREA LORENZO-LUACES, CMC CITY CLERK APPROVED: MAYOR JOHN F. BUSH NOTE: These Minutes were approved at the , 2007 Regular City Commission Meeting. ~ ~ ~~-.. em:=:,) .,..,..\\" ,.".,.. ~.$f~ ~ C\..e ~ CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP JULY 30, 2007 CALL TO ORDER The Workshop of Monday, July 30, 2007 of the City Commission was called to Order by Deputy Mayor Sally McGinnis at 5: 16 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida 32708). Roll Call: Mayor John F. Bush, absent Deputy Mayor Sally McGinnis, present Commissioner Robert S. Miller, arrived at 5:19 p.m. Commissioner Rick Brown, present Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore, present Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs, present City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, present City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, present INFORMATIONAL AGENDA INFORMATIONAL 100. Information Services Department Elert & Associates Wishes To Present The "Wifi Business Plan Final Report". The City Manager Recommends Business Model #1. Mr. Peter Gray, Technology Consultant, Elert and Associates, 140 3rd Street South, Stillwater, Minnesota: addressed the City Commission regarding this Agenda Item. Commissioner Robert S. Miller arrived at 5:19 p.m. Discussion. Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore asked, "You just made the statement that it would cover, how big an area? Five hundred feet (500')?" Mr. Gray replied, "Yes, roughly a radius of five hundred feet (500') per access point." Commissioner Gilmore continued, "But in your Report, you sayan area of a few hundred square feet. Now a five hundred foot (500') radius covers quite - that is significantly more than a few hundred square feet." Mr. Gray said, "I guess that's a little bit of a typo in there then. It should be five hundred feet (500'), and that's - kind of an average." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP - JULY 30, 2007 PAGE20F8 Further discussion. Ms. Milda Hedblom, Ph.D., JD., Hubert H Humphrey Institute of Public Affairs, University of Minnesota, 301 19th Avenue South, Minneapolis, Minnesota: spoke to the City Commission on issues related to this Agenda Item. Discussion continued. City Manager Ronald W. McLemore asked about the second model and inquired, "Who is paying for all the gadgets inside the buildings?" Mr. Gray commented, "There's no subscription service on this. It'd be purely outside wireless." Manager McLemore asked, "This is external service only?" Mr. Gray replied, "External service only." Manager McLemore continued, "So, this is not getting inside buildings, making buildings work?" Mr. Gray responded, "Yes." Further discussion. Mr. Nick Dragisich, Executive Vice President, Springsted Incorporated, 380 Jackson Street, Suite 300, Saint Paul, Minnesota: addressed the City Commission. Further discussion. Commissioner Rick Brown suggested, "I assume we would set this up on some kind of Franchise Agreement." Manager McLemore remarked, "Sure." Ms. Hedblom commented, "It's real clear under - this approach that cities can provide, as you've been talking about, a public service without charge. That the City can choose to do; how it gets there is up to the City? Does it pay for and run it or does it work a deal with a private provider. That's the City's choice, but if there's no revenue stream connected to it, the law says you can choose to do that as a public service." Discussion continued. Regarding Jetta Point, Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs said, "My question is, I did not see Central Winds [Park] in that scenario, so if we were not going to consider Jetta Point, could we consider the fifth as Central Winds [Park]." Manager McLemore commented, "We are." Further discussion. Tape I/Side 8 CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP - JULY 30, 2007 PAGE30F8 Ms. Hedblom remarked, "For those folks, they're going to have a charged service. They're going to have the access code, if you want to use that kind of language, in order to use it. They're not just going to be able to pull up and use it. They're going to have to pay them for it. What you're anticipating, I think, under this model, is that you could negotiate with them that there would be specific hotspot areas of the City, that you hope their footprint would encompass enough or some of what you want to accomplish. And for that area you might get some kind of a deal worked out where you could get free access, exterior access, from that service. Whether that's possible, you need to try to negotiate. And that actually leads me to a second point that I wanted to make. I think you seem to have a strong interest in pursuing that model. It makes sense, given what conversation going on. I would think it makes sense also for you to keep in mind that since you've only got that one (1) provider right now with that particular kind of technology and desire, you might keep in mind that you might find yourselves needing to think about if the City wants to have hotspots, but that deal doesn't work with that provider. That's another matter. Then you revisit your options." Commissioner Brown commented, "I don't think we have a time line so if this one doesn't want to provide those or can't provide those, there's nothing that says we have to have this here. We can wait until the right opportunity comes along." Discussion. Regarding the length of contracts, Ms. Hedblom commented, "If you were to say which way should the City want to have, I would say a shorter term contract." Ms. Hedblom continued, "I guess my bottom line recommendation would to be have that conversation and see how close you can get to what you want and what they want." Deputy Mayor McGinnis asked, "Can we say who that provider is?" Manager McLemore said, "The brandname is Clearwire." Ms. Hedblom commented, "And that by the way is a kind of technology that's known as WiMax, not WiFi. And that of course sits on a different spectrum." With further comments, Ms. Hedblom commented, "If it's free hotspot.. . " Commissioner Krebs asked, ". ..And where is that signal coming from?" Mr. Gray replied, "In the Town Center scenario, there's going to be multiple, other access points located in that area that are all pointing back up to the tower to get that signal." Commissioner Krebs asked, "And those would be put there at the provider's expense?" Mr. Gray responded, "Yes." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP - JULY 30, 2007 PAGE 4 OF 8 Discussion continued. Ms. Hedblom remarked, "If it were a free service, that would have to be negotiated out with the provider. You couldn't categorically say that would be paid for by the provider if we're talking about a free service." Commissioner Krebs spoke for the Record about number 4 on page 5, and that Central Winds Park is not listed. Furthermore, Commissioner Krebs commented, "I just brought this up only - if we are going to consider this, that we also consider that Central Winds [Park] is one of the free hotspot areas and that if we needed to take Jetta Point out, we could do that; or we could leave it in." Commissioner Brown remarked, "We just incorporate that into City center." Manager McLemore said, "Right." Further discussion. Deputy Mayor McGinnis commented, "As I understand it, our charge tonight is just to accept your Report, discuss it. We will not be voting on any of these options tonight. It will come back to us as an Agenda Item." Manager McLemore said, "That is correct." Manager McLemore continued, "The main thing is to get everybody on the same page from a knowledge base perceptive." Manager McLemore commented, "In this case, you have a private provider who needs our tower space. And we say 'okay', in order to get our tower space, here's what we want back. That's the deal. It's that simple." Manager McLemore continued, "And the other case would be, we'll do it ourselves. We'll put in all the infrastructure and we're going to charge a smaller price than you would; and therefore, you won't be competitive with us and we'll have all the business. Well, maybe." Discussion continued. Deputy Mayor McGinnis said, "We accept the Report. It was very comprehensive." Manager McLemore commented, "We'll bring it back to you by Agenda Item." Ms. Hedblom commented, "He asked whether the slides that were part of the legal discussion need to be visited again and I think not because you're not looking at a revenue model tonight. If you decide you ever get there, then we need to have more conversation." Further discussion. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP - JULY 30, 2007 PAGE 5 OF 8 INFORMATIONAL 101. Community Development Department ADD-ON Wishes To Inform The City Commission About The Upcoming Schedule Of Community Meetings To Be Held For Commission Interaction With The Citizens Of Winter Springs. Mr. Randy Stevenson, ASLA, Director, Community Development Department addressed the City Commission regarding this Agenda Item and stated, "We have in fact confirmed the meeting on Tuesday, September 4th, [2007] in the Highlands Community Clubhouse, at 7 p.m. - we will know tomorrow morning, final confirmation, on the September 5th, [2007] Meeting in Wedgewood Tennis Villas, also at 7:00 p.m." Mr. Stevenson mentioned they were working with a third location. Discussion. Mr. Stevenson suggested something with all the dates be sent out and Deputy Mayor McGinnis suggested a postcard with the dates. Further discussion. Commissioner Brown commented that the Tuscawilla Country Club was fine. Commissioner Krebs mentioned that if possible, that the following week could be looked into. Deputy Mayor McGinnis suggested that we make sure that we have a public address system. Manager McLemore asked, "If the Country Club is available that evening, would you rather go there then to the Tennis Villas?" Commissioner Krebs said, "If it does not cost anything." Deputy Mayor McGinnis commented, "Yes." Deputy Mayor McGinnis noted for the Record about Commissioners having their own T own Hall meetings. Discussion. Manager McLemore commented, "The corporate thing going on which is the City corporation, runs by - Policies set by the Commission. The Commission needs to decide if when you have an individual Meeting by individual Commissioner; if you have a problem with Staff being there. If you don't have a problem with Staff being there, then I will direct them to be there. But that's not a Ron McLemore decision; that's a City Commission decision." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP - JULY 30, 2007 PAGE60F8 Further discussion. Manager McLemore explained, "The easy way to solve this problem is just whenever you're going to have Meeting, let us know, we'll make sure, I will contact the Chief. The Chief will say, this is where I'm going to be." Manager McLemore stated, "But I don't want to get in the middle of a battle between the Commissioners over this issue. You just need to make a policy statement. All you have to do is let me know if you want the Police Chief or whoever there. I will say to the Chief, please have someone there. If he wants to go and - do that; he'll make that decision." Commissioner Brown stated, "I will give you a call and let you know when my next meeting is scheduled and you can let me know how to arrange appropriate services." Commissioner Brown continued, "And if the Commission decides that that is not how they want to provide and you want to Vote on my ability to orchestrate through the City Manager select Staff s services to be there, you just need to let me know." Manager McLemore explained, "Typically in most communities, the Commission would say okay if individual members want to go out and do things and they need the assistance of Staff there to help them carry a message, that's okay. But, we all have that same right and this is our Policy, and here's a way we'll do it. Whenever we want to do that, we get in touch with the City Manager, tell him who he wants and we'll go out and find and provide all that and we're all playing on the same page." Discussion continued. Tape 2/Side A With additional discussion on Town Hall Meetings, Manager McLemore remarked, "All I ask you to do is let me know and I'll make sure that it goes down the line and everything gets coordinated, if that's the Policy of the Commission." Commissioner Brown said, "So, if that needs to come back as an Agenda Item before the Commission, let's get it on the next Agenda." Commissioner Krebs stated, "I think you should." Manager McLemore explained, "I need to know what the wish of the Commission is so that the Staff is not caught in the middle. That's all I need to know. If it's your Policy to support that, then fine, let me know. We'll make sure that right people are there." Further discussion. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP - JULY 30, 2007 PAGE70F8 Deputy Mayor McGinnis suggested that this be an Agenda Item. With discussion, Commissioner Miller commented for the Record about Districts and individual meetings with Commissioners. Commissioner Gilmore then spoke of staffing Issues. Manager McLemore said, "I will do a little Resolution for you to adopt that I think will solve the problem." REGULAR AGENDA REGULAR 600. Office Of The City Manager Discussion Of Additional Budget Workshop Dates. Manager McLemore addressed the City Commission regarding this Agenda Item. Discussion. Commissioner Krebs asked, "What about the [August] 23rd [2007]?" Manager McLemore replied, "Sure. I can be there." Deputy Mayor McGinnis commented, "Okay." Commissioner Krebs asked, "And then the [August] 28th or 29th [2007]?" Manager McLemore said, "Sure." Manager McLemore asked, "Do you want to start on the [August] 23rd [2007] and then leave [August] 28th and 29th [2007] open if you want to go there?" Deputy Mayor McGinnis commented, "If we need to." Commissioner Krebs remarked, "Yes." No objections were noted. Regarding the time, Deputy Mayor McGinnis said, "6:30 [p.m.]." Commissioner Krebs noted, "6:30 [p.m.]." No objections were voiced. In conclusion, Manager McLemore commented, "We leave the [August] 28th and [August] 29th [2007] open, if you want to go after another Meeting after [August] 23rd [2007]." Deputy Mayor McGinnis said, "Right." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP - JULY 30, 2007 PAGE80F8 ADJOURNMENT Deputy Mayor McGinnis adjourned the Workshop at 7:04 p.m. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED: DANIELLE HARKER, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY CLERK AND A LORENZO-LUACES, CMC CLERK APPROVED: NOTE: These Minutes were approved at the August 13,2007 Regular City Commission Meeting.