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COMMISSION AGENDA
ITEM 603
Regular
March 26. 2007
Regular Meeting
Mgr. / Dept.
Authorization
REQUEST:
The City Manager requests the City Commission re-address "Directives".
PURPOSE:
This Agenda Item is needed to re-clarify the preference of the City
Commission related to "Directives" noted at City Commission Meetings.
CONSIDERATIONS:
The following is an excerpt from the City of Winter Springs' Charter:
Section 4.06. General powers and duties.
"All powers of the city shall be vested in the commission, except as
otherwise provided by law or this Charter, and the commission shall
provide for the exercise thereof and for the performance of all duties
and obligations imposed on the city by law.
As all powers are vested in the City Commission - any "Directives" and
actions of the City Commission that are noted at City Commission
Meetings are of great concern to Staff. Therefore, in following our City's
Charter, all "Directives" should actually be made by the City Commission
as a collective body.
CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA
CITY COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING - MARCH 26, 2007
REGULAR AGENDA ITEM 609
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As noted on Attachment "A", Resolution 2001-04, our Minutes are
supposed to be a summary, and as outlined under the fourth
"WHEREAS", "they should contain mainly a record of what was done
at the meeting, not what was said by the members."
Therefore, we need to make sure everyone is in agreement that we follow
this Resolution which will also help with what is noted in the Minutes and
on the City Commission Directives Masterlist, which is currently being
updated.
Regarding the City Commission Directives Masterlist, as it currently
stands at over 500 pages, it will be a few more weeks before everything
can be reviewed and an updated version be made available to the City
Commission. (Part of the reason that the City Commission Directives
Masterlist is so voluminous is due to so many individual comments,
without being supported by a Consensus or a Motion).
At the April 25, 2005 Regular Meeting of the City Commission, Regular
Agenda Item "503" was presented to the City Commission and discussed
and it was agreed that we would get a Consensus if the Mayor or an
individual Commissioner asked for something.
This agreement has not really been followed since April 25, 2005, so we
need to again ask for the City Commission's thoughts on this issue.
Based on what was agreed on at the April 25, 2005 City Commission
Meeting, and in order to follow the words and spirit of what is noted in the
above excerpt from our Charter noted herein "CONSIDERATIONS", we
need to further enforce what was agreed upon at the April 25, 2005 City
Commission Regular Meeting, or agree on some other directive of the City
Commission.
If we were to go forward with what was agreed upon during the April 25,
2005 City Commission Meeting, the following sample statements would
not be included in the Minutes, nor in the City Commission Directives
Masterlist, however, there may possibly be a reference to the overall
discussion:
1) Under Reports, Commissioner Y stated, "Manager McLemore, please
bring back a Report on the costs affiliated with all Advertisements
throughout all City Departments."
1) Explanation: The above comment is made by one (1) Commissioner
and there was no Consensus related to this discussion, and no Motion.
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CITY COMMISSION
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2) Commissioner Q remarked about growth along US Highway 17-92
and suggested, "I would like Staff to bring back information on setting up
a Workshop with the City of Casselberry." Commissioner Wadded, "I
agree, that is a great idea."
2) Explanation: The above comment is made by one (1) Commissioner
with a second Commissioner agreeing, however, there was no Consensus
(3 or more Commissioners) related to this discussion, and also no Motion.
The following sample statements though WOULD be included in the
Minutes and would also be shown on the City Commission Directives
Masterlist:
3) Under Reports, Commissioner Y stated, "Manager McLemore, please
bring back a Report on the costs affiliated with all Advertisements
throughout all City Departments." Mayor Bush asked for a Consensus,
and Commissioner P stated "Yes, that is fine." Commissioner T stated, "I
would agree with that." Commissioner Z stated, "Yes, okay." Mayor
Bush noted, "We have a Consensus."
3) Explanation: The above comment was made by one (1) Commissioner
and then Mayor Bush asked for a Consensus, of which three (3) or more
Commissioners agreed with what was suggested.
4) Commissioner Q remarked about growth along US Highway 17-92
and suggested, "I would like Staff to bring back information on setting up
a Workshop with the City of Casselberry." Commissioner A added, "I
agree, that is a great idea." Commissioner W remarked, "I would agree
with that."
4) Explanation: The above comment was made by one (1) Commissioner
with a second and third Commissioner also agreeing. No outright request
for a Consensus (three (3) or more Commissioners) was needed, as three
(3) Commissioners voiced their agreement on the Record.
RECOMMENDATION:
Does the City Commission want only Consensus of requests or
suggestions by Members or Motions approved by the City Commission to
appear in the City Commission's Minutes, and subsequently in the City
Commission Directives Masterlist?
CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA
CITY COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING - MARCH 26, 2007
REGULAR AGENDA ITEM 609
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If yes to the above, the City Commission will need to appreciate that if the
Mayor or one (1) or two (2) individual Members of the City Commission
ask for something, during any portion of any City Commission Regular
Meeting, City Commission Special Meeting, City Commission Workshop,
or any other City Commission "Meeting" that Minutes are taken at, that if
there is not a Consensus or Motion that that request will most likely not be
in the Minutes.
It is also understood that the Mayor, or any Member of the City
Commission, the City Manager, the City Attorney, and or the City Clerk
may ask if there should be a Consensus, and if one is not taken, then those
comments would again not be made part of the Minutes, nor the City
Commission Directives Masterlist.
Whatever is approved by the City Commission would also be followed in
the recording of the Minutes of the City's Advisory Boards and
Committees.
ATTACHMENTS:
A. Resolution 2004-0 I
B. Agenda Item "503" from the April 25, 2005 City Commission Regular
Meeting
C. Excerpt from the Minutes of the April 25, 2005 City Commission
Regular Meeting (related to the discussion of Regular "503")
COMMISSION ACTION:
ATTACHMENT
"A"
RESOLUTION 2001-04
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE
CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA FORMULATING
A POLICY TO ENSURE THAT ALL MEETING MINUTES
OF THE CITY COMMISSION INCLUDING ALL
ADVISORY BOARDS AND COMMITTEES ARE
CONSISTENT IN THE SAME STYLE AND FORMAT, AND
FOLLOW THE SAME GENERAL GUIDELINES AS
LISTED BELOW; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY;
AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
WHEREAS, the City Commission of the City of Winter Springs, Florida, has found it
necessary to periodically review its practices to provide guidelines for the most expedient and
efficient business practices in the City; and believes that all meetings held by the City
Commission and their Advisory Boards and Committees should be consistent; and
WHEREAS, the City Commission of the City of Winter Springs, Florida has and will
continue to comply with Florida Statutes 286.011 (2) which states that "The minutes of any such
board or commission of any such state agency or authority shall be promptly recorded;" and will
be retained in accordance with the State of Florida Records Management designated time
limitations.
WHEREAS, all public meetings of the City Commission, and all of their Advisory
Boards and Committees are recorded using audio tapes, which will serve as the recordation of a
meeting, and will be retained in accordance with the State of Florida Records Management
designated time limits. From these audio tapes, official minutes will be promptly completed,
thus serving as the official record, for all of time. The official and approved minutes will as
always, be retained in accordance with the State of Florida Records Management designated time
limitations.
WHEREAS, the City Commission of the City of Winter Springs, Florida agrees with a
statement from the 9th Edition of Roberts Rules of Order (Newly Revised), Edited by Henry M.
Robert III and William J. Evans which states that "In an ordinary society, unless the minutes are
to be published, they should contain mainly a record of what was done at the meeting, not
what was said by the members." The City Commission at their December 9, 1999 Regular
Meeting, adopted Resolution Number 908 which established "certain policies and procedures for
the conduct of any Commission Meetings." Item Number 3. of Resolution Number 908 notes
that "Robert's Rules of Order shall be the 'underlying foundation' for the conduct of
Commission Meeting."
FURTHERMORE, the City Commission of the City of Winter Springs, Florida agrees
that as the written minutes are intended to be just a summary of the actions that were taken, all
minutes of the City Commission, and all of their Advisory Boards and Committees will be of the
same style and format, with a foundation of brevity.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE CITY COMMISSION OF
THE CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, AS FOLLOWS:
Section 1.
Section 2.
Section 3.
Section 4.
Section 5.
Section 6.
Meetings. All public meetings shall be recorded in full.
Except as printed herein. All minutes shall be produced and maintained in
accordance with the 9th Edition of Roberts Rules of Order, maintaining a record of
what is done, rather than what is said.
Motions. All motions will be transcribed in full, along with who made the
motion, and any corresponding vote(s).
Body. No comments, discussion, or statements that are stated or written "for the
record," either by a member of the Commission, (any Advisory Board and/or
Committee), the City Manager, the City Attorney, City Staff, or any member of
the audience will be transcribed verbatim, unless the voting members
unanimously agree to this, complete with a Motion and a documented vote
confirming this.
Severability. If any section, subsection, sentence, clause, phrase, word or
provision of this Resolution is for any reason held invalid or unconstitutional by
any Court of competent jurisdiction, whether for substantive, procedural, or any
other reason, such portion shall be deemed a separate, distinct and independent
provision, and such holding shall not affect the validity of the remaining portions
of this Resolution.
Effective Date. This Resolution shall become effective immediately upon
adoption by the City Commission of the City of Winter Springs, Florida.
ADOPTED by the City Commission of~y of Winter Springs, Florida, ill a regular
meeting assembled on the 26th day of March,\~OOl. \ . ;/ ~"'\-Jr i -
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AS TO LEGAL FORM AND SUFFICIENCY
Y F WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA ONLY:
Anthony A. Garganese, City ttorney
ATTACHMENT
"B "
COMMISSION AGENDA
ITEM 503
Consent
Informational
Public Hearing
Regular X
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Mgr. /
Authorization
REQUEST: The City Manager requests the City Commission to discuss
Commission Requests and Directives.
April 25. 2005
Regular Meeting
Dept.
PURPOSE: This Agenda Item is needed to discuss issues staff is having with
Commission Requests and Directives.
CONSIDERATIONS: As per the City Charter, the resources of the City may not be
used to ful1ill the desires of individual elected ul1icials.
The following is an excerpt from the City of Winter Springs' Charler:
Section 4.06. General powers and duties.
.' An powers of the city shall be vested in the commission, except as othenvise
provided by law or this Charter, and the commission shall provide for the exercise
thereof and for the performance of all duties and obligations imposed on the city by
law."
Therefore, staff does nul place individual comments, reqLLt:sts, and directives on a priority
list for action unless the Commission acknowledges the directive or request by formal
vote or consensus vote or unless the directive or request is encompassed in previuusly
establishl:.u policy directive or authorized work programs.
Additionally. it is oHcn difficult, if 110t impossible Lu understand the intent and content uf
motions ami requests made hy the Commission at Commission meetings, and from the
tapes of C011l1nission meetings.
CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS
CITY COMMI~SION
REGULAR MeETING - APRIL 25.7.005
REGULAR AGFNOA ITEM "503"
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Examples of cumments and requests are as follows:
Cumment/'Directive" made during "Public Input" (there was no Motion):
stated, "I would like the City Manager to bring back in January, something
regarding hm1-' the Cily can react to these types ofoiJimses perpetrated hy people whu are
especially doing business with the City ~f'Winter Springs. "
Commentl"Dil't~ctive " made during a Consent Agenda Item, but not during the Motioll:
stated, .. What I would like you to do if you could is before you actually get
started, go hack and check the creek - there where that water is going to keep running in
and make sure if is properly reinforced"
Commenl/"Directive" made during an Informational Agenda Item, but not during the
Motion:
added, "Ili-'ould like 10 see an Informational Item on this, maybe even a hriefing
by Staff"
Commenl/"Directive" made during a Public: Hearinp, Agenda Item. bllt not during the
Motion:
said, "Why don't lve lake another quick look at Ihis Park for skateboards?"
added, "Check with Oviedo - what has their response been over there? ,.
Commem/''Direclive'' made during a Regular Agenda item - (there was no Motion with
this Agemla Item):
said, "Is there a way, Mr. Baker you can go hack and take a look at the PUD's
IjJlanned Unit Developmenls I? f think we probably ought 10 average that - also so that
we can come up l'l-'il/1 - the same thing doesn't apply 10 every district or every Zoning
District as to 'he size olthe out parcel. I think we need to find out what that means 10 Ihe
size of the lut and it may be that it becomes a percentage of - the lot, maximum: and I
think that is what we are "ying to gel to, by getfin!{ this information. II
Comment/" Directive" made during a Workshop -- (tllere were of course no "Motions" at
this/any Worblwp):
asked, "Are you asking to have it put in the Budget?" With further discussion..
___ said, "Put if in there." Manager McLemore then ,~aid, "Okay, we'll make that
amendmenl. "
As shown in the partial excerpts noted above, none of those statement!; were parl uf a
Motion; none of those .'Directives" received a consensus of the City Commission for
Starr to comply with; and one or morc of those statements could have been stated by the
Mayor.
CITY Or-WINTER SPRIN(,S
CITY COMMISSION
RECil1l ,AR MFFTING - APRIL 25,2005
REGULAR AGENDA ITEM "50T'
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RECOMMENDATION:
In order for the staff to clearly understand the policy direction of the Commission, and for
the Commission to avoid incorrect assumptions about staff commitments to Commission
comments, requests, and directives, the following is recommended.
1. Individual Commission d~sir~s expressed as comments, requests, or directives will
not be added to the directives list unless;
a) The request is voted on by formal vote, or;
b) The request is acknowledged by action of the Mayor to confirm a consensus of
the Commission on the request.
2. In either case lh~ reql.lest will be verified by action of the Mayor requiring all parties
to acknowledge understanding of the request in question prior to the fomml vote or
the acknowledgement by consensus.
COMMISSION ACTION:
ATTACHMENT
"C"
CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA
MINUTES
CITY COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING - APRIL 25, 2005
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REGULAR
503. Office Of The City Manager
Requests The City Commission To Discuss Commission Requests And Directives.
Manager McLemore addressed this Agenda Item with the City Commission and pointed
out, "A comment by a Commissioner is not adequate enough to put it on the list
[Directives]." Commissioner McGinnis said, "I agree." Manager McLemore added,
"What goes on that "Directives list is something that either by Consensus of this group -
or by a 'Vote' formally. You say, this is important enough that it's an action of this
'Body', not an action of this 'Individual'." Manager McLemore added, "Now a lot of
times, the things that you talk about, are things we're already authorized to do anyhow, so
we would go ahead and address those as a matter of course."
Then, Manager McLemore noted, "Act as a collective 'Body' on these things and at least
let's get the "Directive' very clear and understood."
With further discussion, Manager McLemore said, "What I'm asking is that the Mayor,
or someone repeat or acknowledge it on Record that the Commission by Consensus is
requesting the Staff to do thus and so; and, put it in the Record that way."
Mayor Bush noted, "One Commissioner should not direct Staff without the entire
Commission giving Staff the okay on this, and I will try to do that - and maybe then just
state it a little more directly, into the Record after I see the nodding of the heads." Mayor
Bush added, "I can take care of that and of course if - a Commissioner wants to make a
Motion, obviously one can do that."
Discussion.
Then, Mayor Bush remarked, "What I will try to do in the future, is even on those issues
like Commissioner Krebs is mentioning, when one Commissioner makes a statement
such as that, I will then stop it and say, 'Do all the Commissioners agree with what
Commissioner Krebs in this case might be asking for', and then we will get that into the
Record." Commissioner Krebs said, "Okay." Mayor Bush then said, "Then we will have
to rely on Staff to say, wait a minute, we don't know exactly what you are saying."
In summary, Mayor Bush said, "My interpretation of our discussion that we just had is
that I will make sure that when one Commissioner makes a comment about bringing
something back that we get Consensus from the Commission - all Commissioners - at
least the majority that that is the desire of the entire Commission and then make sure it
gets recorded in the Minutes so that it can be referred to by Staff. And then the other
issue is when we are developing more complex issues of where we might have multiple
items, that we take our time and go through them one by one in terms of making sure we
have Consensus and - Staff knows what the Commission wants back."
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CITY COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING - APRIL 25, 2005
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Commissioner Krebs said, "If the Clerk is having trouble understanding everything that
we want that she should also question US." Mayor Bush "Yes, definitely. .. "
Commissioner Krebs said, ".. .For a summary or more explanation if she needs it."
Manager McLemore added, "And I think she will if you make it known that - you're not
offended by that." Commissioner Krebs added, "I'm not offended and I want her to."
Commissioner McGinnis said, "I do too. I agree." Mayor Bush added, "No apologies-
just say, 'I don't understand this - it needs to be more clear', to get it into the Record."
Deputy Mayor Blake added, "That is right."
Mayor Bush asked, "Do we have Consensus on that Commissioners?" Commissioner
McGinnis, said, "Yes, we do." Commissioner Krebs noted, "Yes." Mayor Bush stated,
"We have everybody shaking their head 'Yes' - let the Record show." Mayor Bush
noted, "All those present."
REGULAR
504. Community Development Department
Requests The City Commission Consider And Approve The Final Engineering/Site
Plan Modification For The Northeast 2 (Two) Acres Of The Approximately 15
(Fifteen) Acre JDC Calhoun/Doran Town Center Site, Just East Of The Tuskawilla
Road And South Of The Kingsbury Home. The Building Elevations Are Still In The
Modification And Staff Review Stages.
Tape 2/Side B
Mr. Baker presented this Agenda Item and displayed pictures.
With discussion, Deputy Mayor Blake noted from the Agenda Item wording, '" Just east
of Tuskawilla Road and south of the Kingsbury home'." Mr. Baker noted, "West of
Tuskawilla Road..." Deputy Mayor Blake pointed out, "...It says 'East of Tuskawilla
Road', is it east?" Mr. Baker noted, "My mistake." Deputy Mayor Blake added,
"Because it said 'East' last time we had this Item too, and it was brought up - and it still
says 'East'."
Further discussion ensued with Mr. Baker.
"I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM." MOTION BY DEPUTY
MAYOR BLAKE. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS.
DISCUSSION. MAYOR BUSH STATED, "TO ACCEPT STAFF'S
RECOMMENDATION ON ITEM '504'."