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CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA
1126 EAST STATE ROAD 434
WINTER SPRINGS. FLORIDA 32706-2799
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Community Development
PLANNING & ZONING BOARD / LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY
AGENDA ITEM:
I. APPROVAL OF APRlL 15, 1998 PLANNING & ZONING BOARD / LPA
MINUTES
Submitted by: Andrea Lorenzo-Luaces
Deputy City Clerk
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PLANNING AND ZONING BOARDILPA
APRIL 15, 1998-REGULARMEETING
L CALL TO ORDER
Pledge Of Allegiance
The Planning and Zoning BoardlLPA meeting was called to order Wednesday, April 15,
1998 at 7:00 p.m. by Chairman Bill Fernandez in the Commission Chambers of the
Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida
32708). The Pledge of Allegiance followed.
Roll Call
Bill Fernandez, Chairman, present
Tom Brown, Vice Chairman, present
Gene Lein, present
Carl Stephens, absent
Rosanne Karr, absent
Also Present
Tom Grimms, AlCP, Comprehensive Planning/Zoning Coordinator
Robert D. Guthrie, City Attorney
Kip Lockcuff, P,E., Director, UtilityIPublic Works Department
Approval Of The April 1, 1998 Planning & Zoning BoardlLPA Regular
Meeting Minutes
Motion by Vice Chainnan Tom Brown. Seconded by Gene Lein. It was agreed to
accept the minutes of April 1, 1998 by consensus of the Board.
II. REGULAR AGENDA
A. Draft BylawslRules of Procedure for the P&Z BoardlLPA
Attorney Robert D. Guthrie suggested to the Board that they review the Draft Bylaws in
an informal manner, with discussion on any items that the Board would like additional
discussion on. The Board began the discussion with Mr. Guthrie's memorandum, and a
copy of the Draft Bylaws dated October 15, 1997.
On page 4, Article 11 Members should be Article m Members, with consistent number
thereafter.
There was discussion on limiting discussion between Board Members and the Chairperson
in other situations, especially with consideration of the Sunshine Law,
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Draft Bylaws, page 5, 3.1.1: There should be grammatical changes to the text.
Draft Bylaws, page 7, 3.2.2.2: Mr. Guthrie advised the Board that "I just want you to
realize...that...in effect...the...the members that...that are this committee, are a separate
body covered by the Sunshine Law, and this, this...it sounds silly, but it's true, if any two
of you go on inspection tours, you'd have to notice when you're going to do that, you
probably ought to take someone to take notes, it's...it...it gets...Ijust want to say that, any
two of you get together on anything...that...that triggers the Sunshine Law, and that....that
would include for inspection purposes". It was decided that this item would be deleted
Draft Bylaws, page 9, 4.2.1: Mr. Guthrie felt that if anyone had a conflict of interest,
that this should be first relayed to the Clerk or Secretary to the Board, who would then
inform the Chairperson. It was decided that this entire section should be stricken.
Draft Bylaws, page 9, 4.3: Mr. Guthrie just reminded everyone to just" Avoid these type
of discussions". He further added that "If it does occur that you... that you did hear
what...you do get involved in it...the issues are brought out before you realize what's being
talked...or somebody...I really am a great believer that you...you can be...you can try to
clarity the record...by early on saying that this happened, and for that reason, you want to
say exactly what the nature of the discussion was, and that way, anybody that has a
problem with that and wants to refute anything that was said to you, can be...has the due
process opportunity to do that at the hearing...if it's said early enough, and that that really
may purge the issue". Mr. Guthrie suggested that if something like this happens, that they
could also call him and discuss the issue. Chairman Bill Fernandez stated that "We've
already been adopting that procedure and 1 ask in advance if there's been any ex parte
communications, or whether anybody has a conflict. We do that in advance", Chairman
Fernandez further added "I'm not sure we really need this because...if we're here, we're
supposed to vote, and if we have a conflict, we're supposed to file a form, and that teUs
why we're not voting, because we've got a conflict". Mr. Guthrie then referred to the
Addendum as a better reference. It was decided that this item would be deleted
Draft By taws, page 9, 4.4: This will now be page 9, 4.3. The first two and one half
lines, through the word "but" will be stricken. In addition, the word "thereto" on line
four of this section will be removed Also, the last sentence of this item shall read:
Violation of this rule may be grounds for dismissal from the Board
Draft Bylaws, page 10, 5.4: There was discussion about not using the word "should"
instead of "shall" (in the first sentence).
Draft By taws, page 11, 6.1 and 6.2: There was discussion about reasonable notice,
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Draft Bylaws, page 11, 6.2: It was decided to strike the word "written" (on the third
line).
Draft Bylaws, page 12, 6.6: The word "reasonable" should replace 'formal" (on the
second line ofthis section).
Draft Bylaws, page 12, 6.7: There was discussion about adding something like "Old
Business" or "Unfinished Business" or "Open Business" to upcoming agendas. The Board
decided to go with "Unfinished Business" - and this item would be placed after the
"Regular Agenda Items" and before "Future Agenda Items". "Future Agenda Items"
would be followed by "Adjournment", and then the legal disclaimer.
Mr. Guthrie told the Board that he would work on an additional memorandum regarding
the Draft Bylaws, as soon as he could arrange it. There was discussion as to when
elections would take place and when the Bylaws should be completed.
Chairman Fernandez mentioned that he would like an updated member list, and he added
that the following items should be in the Bylaws: "When we're going to elect, how we're
going... does Robert's Rules apply...did...the fact about the written orders...", Mr. Guthrie
thought that Resolution 740 addresses Robert's Rules of Order, and that it may have been
sanctioned for the City Commission and supporting boards. Chairman Fernandez asked
Mr, Guthrie, "If we could maybe get make some notes and add those comments...if he
could look it up...even if we just attach it to these things".
There was further discussion about introductory documentation being provided to new
Board Members, (including Sunshine Law information); Board recommendations being
presented to the City Commission by Staff members; and the status of (approved and
unapproved) minutes.
Chairman Fernandez explained to Mr. Guthrie about the origination of the Bylaws, and
asked if there was anything else that he felt should also be included, especially in terms of
amending the Bylaws, or waiving the rules. Mr. Guthrie responded that "I want a waiver
provision in there". Chairman Fernandez then spoke to Mr. Guthrie and said, "There in
your Article 12 and Article 13, addresses Robert's Rules, but before we address Robert's
Rules, 1 want you to check...see whether the City Commission adopted such an
Ordinance" .
At 8:00 p.m., a five minute recess was called.
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The meeting was called back to order at 8:05 p.m. by Chainnan Fernandez.
B. Discussion on Element E, Starting on Page 31 of the Evaluation and
Appraisal Report (EAR)
Chairman Fernandez explained that at the last meeting, with Mr. Brook Seall, Parks and
Recreation Director present, "Mr, Brown had moved that...we accept his report...to the
extent that's he's going to update and re-do this section E, and tender us a written
or...either a draft or a final report by June the 3rd meeting".
C. Discussion with Kip LockcufT, UtilitylPublic Works Department of
Pages 39 through 60 of the EAR per Wastewater Management
Mr. Kip Lockcuff, P,E., Director of the UtilitylPublic Works Department first answered
questions from the Board regarding the status of several transfer stations.
Chainnan Fernandez mentioned that on page 40 of the EAR, he had made a note that the
"City of Winter Springs conditions - out of date...because coUection was not mandatory
within the City, now it is. So, it's got to be re-addressed". Mr. Grimms said that Don
LeBlanc is considered the City's Ombudsman for solid waste issues, so he would be the
contact regarding such matters.
Vice Chairman Brown asked if Mr, LeBlanc would be responsible for wntmg the
"Capacity Analysis"? Mr. Grimms said that he would probably provide input, but that
Sharon Newkirk with Seminole County could answer most questions.
On page 43 of the EAR, Vice Chainnan Brown asked about "The proposed transfer
station - does that exist"? Chairman Fernandez said, "Yes, and you've got to get rid of the
word proposed'.
There was discussion about the present tense and past tense wording of the plan on page
46 of the EAR. Mr. Lockcuff stated that he needs to re-write the infonnation that pertains
to the three water plants. Mr, Lockcuff said that he will present a draft to Fred Goodroe
of Berryman and Henigar for his review. Mr. Lockcuff also said that the "Entire
distribution system is...is not looped - each...West is looped, and East is looped, they
won't be connected until TuscawiUa Road is built, and that wiu be the first connection
between the West system and the East system". Mr. Lockcuff said that that section needs
to be worked with, along with the reference to five (5) weUs. He further elaborated on the
location and number of the City's actual seven (7) weUs. There was discussion as to when
this should be re-presented to this Board.
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Regarding page 49 of the EAR, Mr. Lockcuff reviewed the status of some of the Capital
Improvements, and said that they could probably update this information.
On page 50 of the EAR, the second paragraph from the bottom, refers to the maps series -
but because there are none, the Board mentioned deleting this reference.
There was discussion as to the reference to the City's water plants and sewer plants. At
the Board's request, Mr. Lockcuff will check on the up-to-date accuracy of the year 2023
reference, He further spoke about the level of service as designated in the Comprehensive
Plan, and there was also discussion about usage.
There was discussion about dirt roads and the City's maintenance of 67 ponds which are
referenced on page 54, Regarding page 55 of the EAR, there was discussion about
"Needs Assessment" and deficiencies,
The last part of this discussion with Mr. Lockcuff dealt with aquifers, salt-water intrusion,
well-field protection, and traffic circulation issues.
III. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS
. Budget Proposals from the Parks and Recreation Department.
. Evaluation and Appraisal Report (EAR), for the June 3, 1998 meeting.
. Draft BylawslRules of Procedure for the P&Z BoardlLPA for the June 17, 1998
Meeting.
IV. ADJOURNMENT
Chairman Fernandez adjourned the meeting at 8:42 p,m.
Minutes respectfully submitted by: Andrea Lorenzo-Luaces, Deputy City Clerk.
City of Winter Springs, Florida
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