HomeMy WebLinkAbout2008 09 08 Consent 204 Approval of the August 25, 2008 Regular Meeting MinutesCITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA
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REGULAR MEETING
AUGUST 25, 2008
CALL TO ORDER
The Regular Meeting of Monday, August 25, 2008 of the City Commission was called to
Order by Mayor John F. Bush at 5:15 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the
Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida
32708).
Roll Call: .,,,~
Mayor John F. Bush, present ~-""
Deputy Mayor Donald A. Gilmore, present
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Commissioner Robert S. Miller, present M".,~
Commissioner Rick Brown, present ""
Commissioner Sally McGinnis, present
Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs, present ~
City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, present ~:
City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, arrived at 5:19 p.m.
The Pledge of Allegiance followed a moment of silence.
INFORMATIONAL AGENDA
INFORMATIONAL
100. Community Development Department
Advising The City Commission Of The Status Of Various Current Planning
Projects. _ _
No discussion.
INFORMATIONAL
101. Community Development Department
Wishes To Inform The City Commission Regarding Results Of A Flagpole Survey
Recently Sent Out By The Tuscawilla Home Owners Association (THOA) To
Determine Support For Installation Of One Or Two Flagpoles At The Main
Entrance To The Tuscawilla Subdivision.
There was no discussion on this Agenda Item.
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~~MOTION TO APPROVE [INFORMATIONAL AGENDA]." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE.
DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
CONSENT AGENDA
CONSENT
200. Community Development Department
Requesting Authorization To Enter Into A Contract Agreement With Central
Florida Landscaping And Maintenance, Inc. For Landscaping To Be Installed
Pursuant To A Florida Department Of Transportation (FDOT) State Road 434
Highway Beautification Grant In The Amount Of $142,000.00.
There was no discussion on this Agenda Item.
CONSENT
201. Community Development Department
Requesting Authorization To Set The City Standard Streetlight Rate At $12.75 Per
Month Pursuant To A Revised Rate Schedule Provided By Progress Energy
Effective On August 1, 2008. The Revised Rate Represents An Increase Of $ .11
From The Previous Rate Of $12.64, Which Became Effective On January 1, 2008.
No discussion.
CONSENT
202. Parks And Recreation Department
Requesting The City Commission To Authorize The City Manager To Execute The
Concession Stands Operation Agreement With Winter Springs Youth Sports (Babe
Ruth) To Operate The Central Winds Park Concession Stands.
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This Agenda Item was not discussed.
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CONSENT
203. Office Of The Mayor
Asking The City Commission To Review And Consider Approving The Attached
Resolution 2008-43 Related To Keep Seminole Beautiful And Feral Cats.
There was no discussion on this Agenda Item.
CONSENT
204. Office Of The City Clerk
Approval Of The August 4, 2008 City Commission Special Meeting Minutes.
No discussion.
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205. Office Of The City Clerk
Approval Of The August 11, 2008 City Commission Regular Meeting Minutes.
This Agenda Item was not discussed.
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206. Office Of The City Clerk
Approval Of The August 13, 2008 City Commission Workshop Minutes.
There was no discussion on this Agenda Item.
"MOTION TO APPROVE [CONSENT AGENDA]." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE.
DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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•• AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
WERE NOT NECESSARILY DISCUSSED IN THE ORDER DOCUMENTED
NEXT. PLEASE NOTE THAT AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS "300" WAS
ALSO DISCUSSED ON PAGE 9. •3 •
AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
300. Oviedo-Winter Springs Regional Chamber Of Commerce
Incoming President Of The Oviedo-Winter Springs Regional Chamber Of
Commerce Paul P. Partyka Wishes To Address The Mayor And City Commission
About City Special Events.
This Agenda Item was discussed later in this Meeting.
AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
301. Office Of The Mayor
Issuing A Proclamation In Accordance With Section 2-82. Of The City's Code Of
Ordinances Calling The Municipal Election Of 2008.
Mayor Bush read into the Record, a Proclamation proclaiming the 2008 City of Winter
Springs Municipal Election.
Ciry Attorney Anthony A. Garganese arrived at 5:19 p. m.
• • AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING REPORTS WERE DISCUSSED IN
THE ORDER DOCUMENTED. • •
REPORTS
REPORTS
401. Office Of The City Manager -Ronald W. McLemore
City Manager Ronald W. McLemore commented on a document related to Tropical
Storm Fay. Commissioner Sally McGinnis said, "It was a good report."
Manager McLemore added, "I didn't bring you the Agenda Item tonight because we are
not quite prepared - we still need to do a little more evaluation on what our losses are."
Manager McLemore then noted, "We will come back with an Agenda Item at your next
Meeting." Manager McLemore was asked if losses were covered by Insurance and
explained, "We will be filing for FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency)
money if it becomes available."
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Commissioner Robert S. Miller inquired if Seminole County or Winter Springs was
included in emergency legislation being discussed in Tallahassee? Manager McLemore
commented, "We don't know that yet, but we will begin to start getting that information
down probably within the next couple of weeks."
Discussion followed on issues with Hacienda Village and Moss Road.
Mayor Bush suggested, "Maybe after we do Public Input, we could take this up again."
Manager McLemore stated, "Sure." Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs suggested that an
alternative route be provided for the residents of the Winding Hollow subdivision.
Mayor Bush recommended further, "Right after Public Input, let us take this up again."
No objections were noted.
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REPORTS
402. Office Of The City Clerk -Andrea Lorenzo-Luaces, CMC ~
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400. Office Of The City Attorney -Anthony A. Garganese, Esquire
Attorney Garganese mentioned a newly filed Lawsuit by Anderson's Coach (Work, Inc.)
and that the City Commission could get a copy of the complaint from the City Clerk.
Next, Attorney Garganese commented on the Jesup's Reserve Maintenance Bond issue
and remarked, "City Engineering believes there is approximately -forty-five to sixty
thousand dollars ($45,000.00 - $60,000.00) worth of maintenance punchlist items that the
Surety should be responsible for and we have gone back for months -back and forth,
Brian (Fields) with his counterpart, myself with my counterpart, the Attorney
representing the Maintenance Bond Surety company to no avail."
Continuing, Attorney Garganese noted, "To get this thing - in play and get it finally
resolved, my recommendation at this juncture would be to file a Complaint in Circuit
Court against the Surety and not only seek compensation under the Bond for the punchlist
items, but there is an argument for Attorney's Fees and Costs if we have to enforce the
provisions of the Maintenance Bond."
Note: Due to technical difficuhies, the next audiotape was used.
Tape 2/Side A
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~~MOTION TO FILE A COMPLAINT IN CIRCUIT COURT AGAINST THE
SURETY FOR THE VARIOUS REASONS THAT THE ATTORNEY JUST
STATED." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. SECONDED BY
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE ~~
MOTION CARRIED.
REPORTS
403. Office Of The Mayor -John F. Bush
Mayor Bush spoke of an offer from "Anytime Fitness" in the Villagio shopping center.
Manager McLemore mentioned, "The Policy of the City in the past is we do not allow
that kind of advertising within the City." Manager McLemore added, "This gets us back
in that First Amendment issue all over again about what can be distributed."
Mayor Bush then mentioned information on electronic bollards that he received at the
recent Florida League of Cities Annual Conference and which he gave to the City
Manager. Mayor Bush suggested that if the City Manager was interested he could bring
this back to the City Commission.
Next, Mayor Bush then spoke about biodegradable pens and noted, "We will ask the
Clerk to send this around and maybe later, we can make a decision on it."
Lastly, Mayor Bush commented on a Citizen Lobbyist service who assists with Grants
and has a database. Mayor Bush mentioned that he had provided the information to
Manager McLemore to consider.
REPORTS
404. Commission Seat One -Robert S. Miller
Commissioner Miller reminded everyone about Voting tomorrow.
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REPORTS
405. Commission Seat Two -Rick Brown
Commissioner Rick Brown commented for the Record on his recent Ethics Complaint
and stated, "Tonight, I would like to submit to the City Clerk for public record, a copy of
the WFTV (Channel 9) news article." Commissioner Brown added, "Anthony
(Garganese), you will have to make a determination on what copyright laws exist for
Channel 9 as to whether the public is allowed to have copies of that from us or if they
need to go through Channel 9."
REPORTS
406. Commission Seat Three/Deputy Mayor -Donald A. Gilmore
No Report.
REPORTS
407. Commission Seat Four -Sally McGinnis
No Report.
REPORTS
408. Commission Seat Five -Joanne M. Krebs
Commissioner Krebs mentioned about comments she had received from a Winding
Hollow resident.
Next, Commissioner Krebs commented on the Ethics charge and serving as Elected
Officials.
Commissioner Krebs commented on the Organizational Chart and stated that the City
Clerk "Should be right under the Mayor and the City Commission, with the Advisory
Boards, the City Manager, City Attorney - I think it should also be City Clerk. So, if that
is agreed, could that be corrected for the Final Budget?" Discussion followed on dotted
and solid lines. Commissioner Krebs added, "I know she works -for us and I just
thought that since she is a Charter member like the rest, that is where it belonged."
Commissioner Krebs added, "If that is not correct, then I guess the Commission should
decide where they want it. I just thought it was a mistake.
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Mayor Bush said, "Can you fix that and bring it back to the City Commission?" Manager
McLemore stated, "Okay, I can give you two (2) examples."
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Next, Commissioner Krebs commented, "I would like some consideration given to
review Benefit Plans and -goals of this Commission, what they would like to see as well.
So, I think that if we could work that into some kind of Workshop going forward."
Commissioner Krebs added, "I am not saying tomorrow, I am just saying some time in
the near future." Commissioner Krebs suggested, "Goals that we would like to see
happen in the next year -what we as a Commission would like to plan for next year."
Continuing, Commissioner Krebs suggested, "You might just want to start with a
skeleton to work off of - not a methodology." Commissioner Brown suggested, "To me
it seems like rather a simple goal setting process that we leverage against our current
Budget."
Mayor Bush suggested a Workshop date of "[Monday] September 15th, [2008]?"
Commissioner Brown stated, "Works for me." Commissioner Krebs remarked, "Okay."
Mayor Bush then asked, "5:30 [p.m.] on the 15th? Everybody in agreement?"
Commissioner Krebs commented, "Okay." Commissioner McGinnis stated, "Yes."
Mayor Bush said to City Clerk Andrea Lorenzo-Luaces, "Get that on the Calendar."
Mayor Bush further asked the City Commission, "What about taking Public Input during
that time as well?"
Commissioner Brown noted, "Sure." Commissioner Krebs stated, "Why not? Good
idea." Mayor Bush summarized, "It is a Workshop, but we will have Public Input."
Commissioner Krebs asked, "Are there any feelings on discussion or looking at other
benefit plans that are out there and cost savings, and things like that?" Commissioner
Krebs suggested, "Maybe we can talk about it and then set another Workshop date, why
don't we do that."
Mayor Bush noted, "I think that would be a good idea." Commissioner Krebs stated,
"Okay." Mayor Bush added, "Make sure you bring it up."
• • AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
AGENDA ITEM WAS DISCUSSED AGAIN, AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED ON
PAGE 4 OF THESE MINUTES, FOLLOWED BY THE REST OF THE
AGENDA. • •
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AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
300. Oviedo-Winter Springs Regional Chamber Of Commerce
Incoming President Of The Oviedo-Winter Springs Regional Chamber Of
Commerce Paul P. Partyka Wishes To Address The Mayor And City Commission
About City Special Events.
Mr. Paul Partyka, 292 Solaris Wharf Street, Winter Springs, Florida: commented on
recent WLOQ events and also introduced the current Oviedo-Winter Springs Regional
Chamber Of Commerce President Charles Lacey. ~
Commissioner Brown noted, "Just for the Record, I am a party to this presentation." ~
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Mr. Partyka commented on special events; contracts; presented three (3) checks to the
City so that the City would not lose any credibility; and the City Commission supporting
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Much discussion ensued on previous actions; contracts; and what would be fair.
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Mayor Bush said, "I would like to hold up on cashing these checks until the Chamber [of
Commerce] has a chance to meet with the Manager -and bring back a recommendation.
Is that okay with you?" Mr. Partyka remarked, "We'll go along with whatever the City
decides." Mayor Bush then asked, "Commissioners, are you okay with that."
Commissioner Krebs stated, "Yes." Commissioner McGinnis commented, "Yes."
Commissioner Miller remarked, "Yes." No objections were voiced.
Mayor Bush added, "We will not cash these." Furthermore, Mayor Bush noted, "I will
give these checks to the Clerk and she can hold them until we decide what to do with it."
Next, Mayor Bush stated, "Let us do the Winding Hollow issue now."
• • AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING PUBLIC INPUT WAS
DISCUSSED NEXT, AND LATER IN THE MEETING, AS NOTED ON PAGE 12
OF THESE MINUTES. • •
PUBLIC INPUT
Mr. Tom High, 400 Timberglen Court, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke of problems in
Winding Hollow related to recent flooding and emergency entrances/exits; and suggested
that the road be widened.
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Mr. Mark Johnson, 1056 Winding Waters Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: as the
President of the Winding Hollow Homeowner's Association, Mr. Johnson, thanked the
Police Department for their assistance with the recent flooding, and also suggested that
the entryway be widened.
Tape 2/Side B
Commissioner Krebs mentioned a resident who had some complaints.
Next, Commissioner Miller spoke for the Record about when Winding Hollow was built
and the houses that were built which faced the creek.
Discussion followed on possible solutions, to which Mr. Kip Lockcuff, P.E., Director,
Public Works/Utility Department said, "I think Alton (Road) is a much bigger deal than '°""0
the Oak Hollow park one. I don't need to do any design work for Oak Hollow park."
Manager McLemore noted, "I just don't think that the one is the solution - it doesn't give ~
you the security I think you really deserve. We need to look at both." ~
Mayor Bush remarked about the City Manager's Memorandum and noted that it
"Outlines three (3) curative options -one was the Trotwood, two (2) was the Alton ,~,.~.,..~
(Road) and three (3) was the widening of the eight foot (8') sidewalks -and then the long ~
term which would be the engineering - we talked about." ~'°
"I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO -HAVE THE CITY MANAGER
DIRECT STAFF TO ENGINEER AN EMERGENCY ESCAPE ROUTE OR TWO
(2) -FOR WINDING HOLLOW -AND TO ACT ON THAT IMMEDIATELY."
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER
BROWN. DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER MILLER ADDED, "I WOULD LIKE THE CITY MANAGER
TO COMMENT WHEN HE BRINGS HIS INFORMATION BACK ON THE
REAL USE OF THAT SECOND ONE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT;
BECAUSE FOR ABOUT TWO (2) DAYS THE ENTRANCE TO -WINDING
HOLLOW WAS IMPASSABLE; AND DURING THOSE TWO (2) DAYS, THAT
SECOND EXIT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WAS ALSO IMPASSABLE
BECAUSE THOSE TWO (2) STORM DRAINS THEY HAVE THERE, THE
WATER IS RUNNING RIGHT OVER THE TOP OF THEM AND IN SEVERAL
PLACES AS A MATTER OF FACT - IT IS RUNNING OVER THE ROADWAY
ON ALTON ROAD TOO, ABOUT A FOOT DEEP, FOR ALMOST FOUR (4) OR
FIVE (5) HOURS."
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MANAGER McLEMORE EXPLAINED, "IT IS AN ENGINEERING ISSUE AND
WE WILL ADDRESS THAT. KEEP IN MIND, FLOODING IS ONLY ONE WAY
THAT THESE PEOPLE CAN BE PUT IN THIS POSITION..."
COMMISSIONER KREBS ADDED, "...RIGHT. THIS IS A CURE FOR OTHER
THINGS BESIDES."
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Mr. Laurent Pellerin, 116 South Moss Road, Winter Springs, Florida: commented on
working with Developers on the building near the GreeneWay; and wanted to see Budget
cuts made.
•• AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING PUBLIC HEARINGS AGENDA
ITEM "500" WAS DISCUSSED NEXT, AND WAS ALSO DISCUSSED AGAIN,
AS NOTED ON PAGE 13. • •
PUBLIC HEARINGS AGENDA
Pi1BLIC HEARINGS
500. Community Development Department -Planning Division
Requests That The City Commission Hold A Public Hearing For 2"d Reading And
Adoption Of Ordinance 2008-13, Which Amends The Height Of Walls Allowed
Within The I-1 Light Industrial Zoning District.
Attorney Garganese read the Ordinance by "Title" only.
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
Mr. Hugh Harling, Harling, Locklin & Associates, 850 Courtland Street, Orlando,
Florida: addressed the City Commission and stated, "The only issue I have is that the
actual Zoning that we went to was a Commercial Restricted Zoning and should this
reflect that in the Ordinance?"
Mr. Randy Stevenson, ASLA, AICP, Director, Community Development Department
stated, "I believe the agreement on the C-2 Zoning covers the wall itself in that Zoning
District, this is for the I-1 Zoning." Attorney Garganese added, "This Ordinance only
addresses the I-1 Zoning District."
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Ms. Eloise Sahlstrom ASLA, AICP, Senior Planner, Community Development
Department added, "This revision to the I-1 Zoning District affects any properties that are
currently zoned I-1 which these are highlighted."
Mayor Bush said to Mr. Harling, "Does that answer your concerns?" Mr. Harling
responded, "Yes Sir, it does." Mayor Bush noted, "Let the Record reflect that it did
answer -his concerns."
The "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item was closed.
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"MOVE FOR APPROVAL." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE. ~'
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION. ,
VOTE: ~
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE ~
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE ~
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Deputy Mayor Donald A. Gilmore stated, "I think that this does still affect Bart Phillips'
property on the side where the school is. So - he does have an interest in this one." Ms.
Sahlstrom remarked, "It would allow him to build this ten foot (10') wall along that
perimeter there." Deputy Mayor Gilmore added, "That is correct."
• • AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING PUBLIC INPUT WAS DISCUSSED
AGAIN, AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED ON PAGES 9-11 OF THESE MINUTES. ••
PUBLIC INPUT
Mr. Irma Panzella, 311 Twelve Oaks Drive, Winter Springs, Florida: Mayor Bush stated
that Ms. Panzella was not here but commented on possible solutions for the Winding
Hollow subdivision.
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:•• AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING PUBLIC HEARINGS AGENDA
ITEM "500" WAS AGAIN DISCUSSED, AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED ON PAGES
11-12 OF THESE MINUTES. THE REST OF THE AGENDA FOLLOWS. ••
PUBLIC HEARINGS AGENDA
PUBLIC HEARINGS
500. Community Development Department -Planning Division
Requests That The City Commission Hold A Public Hearing For 2"d Reading And
Adoption Of Ordinance 2008-13, Which Amends The Height Of Walls Allowed
Within The I-1 Light Industrial Zoning District.
Further on this Agenda Item, Attorney Garganese noted, "The comment was made
regarding the frontage property along (State Road) 419 -just to clarify -when the City
Commission adopted the changes to the -Zoning District to allow outdoor storage, one
of the requirements is that they have awall - C-2 to have a wall ten foot (10') high to act
as a visual screen. So, the answer to the gentleman's question is yes, it's already
addressed in the previous Ordinance that you adopted for the C-2 property. This
Ordinance would allow the ten foot (10') wall along the School District property."
PUBLIC HEARINGS
501. Community Development Department -Planning Division
Requests That The City Commission Hold A Public Hearing To Consider Adoption
Of Resolution 2008-36 Which Designates An Area Of The City As The "Town
Center Seminole Economic Enhancement District (SEED)/Brownfield Area".
Ms. Sahlstrom introduced this Agenda Item.
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
No one spoke.
Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
With discussion, Ms. Sahlstrom remarked, "What our understanding was is that this map
can be Amended at any time, so, if this land was to be Annexed in, then we could go
through the process and update the map."
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"MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. DISCUSSION.
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MS. SAHLSTROM NOTED, "NOT THIS ENTIRE AREA, BUT PLANTE
PROPERTY WAS DESIGNATED A - AREA ALREADY UNDER THE
SEMINOLE COUNTY PROCESS." DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE ASKED,
"WAS THAT A S.E.E.D. (SEMINOLE ECONOMIC ENHANCEMENT
DISTRICT) OR A BROWNFIELD?" MS. SAHLSTROM NOTED, "IT WAS A
BROWNFIELD."
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE ~,
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED. '{
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502. Community Development Department -Planning Division
Requests That The City Commission Hold A Public Hearing To Consider Adoption
Of Resolution 2008-37 Which Designates An Area Of The City As The "Village
Walk Seminole Economic Enhancement District (SEED)/Brownfield Area".
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
No one spoke.
Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
"MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BROWN. DISCUSSION.
MR. STEVENSON REMARKED, "ON THE VILLAGE WALK, JUST SO WE'RE
CLEAR ON THIS -THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT CAME UP IN ONE OF
THE PUBLIC HEARINGS RELATIVE TO -LOW-INCOME HOUSING. IF THE
AREAS OF THESE S.E.E.D. (SEMINOLE ECONOMIC ENHANCEMENT
DISTRICT) AREAS THAT ARE COMMERCIAL, NO ONE CAN FORCE YOU
TO PUT ANY HOUSING ON THEM.
IF YOU HAVE SOME AREAS THAT ARE DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL AND
WE DO IN FACT, IN THE VILLAGE WALK, YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH
THEM ON LOW-INCOME HOUSING IN THAT AREA, IN TERMS OF AN
UPGRADE." MR. STEVENSON ADDED, "THEY STILL HAVE TO CONFORM
TO OUR REGULATIONS."
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Mr. John Metsopoulos, US 17-92 CRA Program Manager, Seminole County, 1055 AAA
Drive, Suite 145, Heathrow, Florida: addressed the City Commission and stated, "If it is
zoned Commercial, they cannot require you to build housing in a Commercially Zoned
area."
MAYOR BUSH ASKED, "DID YOU GET THAT INFORMATION BACK TO
THAT CITIZEN RANDY (STEVENSON) THAT ASKED THAT QUESTION?"
MR. STEVENSON RESPONDED, "I HAVE NOT YET, BUT I WILL GET IT
BACK TOMORROW MORNING TO HIM."
FURTHER DISCUSSION.
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COMMISSIONER McGINNIS SPOKE FOR THE RECORD ON FINANCIAL
DISTINCTIONS RELATED TO HOUSING AND WORKFORCE HOUSING.
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COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
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COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
503. Community Development Department -Planning Division
Requests That The City Commission Hold A Public Hearing To Consider Adoption
Of Resolution 2008-38 Which Designates An Area Of The City As The "GreeneWay
Interchange Seminole Economic Enhancement District (SEED)Brownfield Area".
Brief discussion.
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
No one spoke.
Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input "portion of the Agenda Item.
MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION. SECONDED. DISCUSSION.
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Commissioner Miller left the Commission Chambers at 6.'48 p. m.
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REGULAR AGENDA
REGULAR
600. Office Of The City Manager
Requesting The Commission To Review A Draft Policy Regarding Charitable
Donations And To Provide Any Direction It Deems Appropriate.
Brief discussion.
Commissioner Miller returned to the dais at 6: 50 p. m.
"MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
ATTORNEY GARGANESE NOTED, "I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S THE INTENT TO
ADDRESS SPONSORSHIPS - THIS IS DIRECT CHARITABLE
CONTRIBUTIONS." MANAGER McLEMORE ADDED, "THAT WAS GOING
TO BE ANOTHER RESOLUTION."
DISCUSSION.
Tape 3/Side A
FURTHER DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: NAY
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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REGULAR
601. Community Development Department
Requests That The Commission Approve The Tali's Crossing Final Subdivision Plat
And Authorize Its Recordation, Subject To The City Attorney's Review And
Comments.
Mr. John Baker, AICP, Senior Planner, Community Development Department introduced
this Agenda Item
Discussion.
"MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. DISCUSSION. •
VOTE: ~'
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED. ~'""'
REGULAR
602. Parks And Recreation Department
Requesting That The City Commission Consider Approval And Give Staff Direction
Regarding A Winter Springs Hometown Harvest Special Event.
Mr. Chuck Pula, Director, Parks and Recreation Department spoke on this Agenda Item.
Discussion.
Commissioner Krebs asked, "Who do we have working on our Sponsors -have we sent
out an RFP (Request for Proposal) for anybody to get involved?" Manager McLemore
noted, "We're preparing it now and hopefully we can get it out of here within a week or
so."
Discussion.
"I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT STAFF GO BACK AND FIND A
WAY TO PAY FOR THIS THROUGH SPONSORSHIPS AND ADVERTISING
TO MAKE THIS EVENT HAPPEN. WE HAVE SIXTY (60) DAYS.
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WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT KNOW HOW TO DO THIS
OR HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING SHORT-TERM PROJECTS OFF
THE GROUND SUCCESSFULLY. THEY EXIST THROUGHOUT SEMINOLE
COUNTY -LET US GO MAKE IT HAPPEN." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER
BROWN. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION
COMMISSIONER KREBS ADDED, "COMMISSIONER BROWN, WOULD
THAT INCLUDE ANY KIND OF CREATIVE WAY TO HAVE HELP IF THEY
SO NEED IT, BUT AT NO COST TO THE CITY?" COMMISSIONER BROWN
STATED, "WHY NOT."
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
••S AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING TWO (2) REGULAR AGENDA
ITEMS "603" AND "604" WERE DISCUSSED SIMULTANEOUSLY AS NOTED
NEXT, AND THEN INDIVIDUALLY. ••
REGULAR AGENDA
REGULAR
603. Office Of The City Clerk
Requests The City Commission's Direction Regarding The Upcoming Performance
Review For The City Clerk For Fiscal Year 2007-2008, As Requested By The City
Commission At A Previous Meeting.
REGULAR
604. Office Of The City Manager
Requesting The Commission To Review Information Regarding The City
Manager's Annual Evaluation For Performance Year "11", November 1, 2006
Throusih October 31, 2007.
Discussion.
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Commissioner McGinnis suggested that the City Clerk did not need to provide
information going back to 2001.
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Further discussion followed on whether there was an Evaluation process for employees of
the City Commission. Commissioner Brown inquired, "Is there a formal process - a
formal document that we use for this purpose?" Commissioner Brown added, "I wonder
if there shouldn't be and maybe this is yet another Workshop, but maybe I think we need
to enter into a more formalized process for individuals who are direct employees of the
Commission."
Discussion continued on other cities.
Manager McLemore stated, "Prior to two (2) years ago, I sat down with the Commission
individually, each year and said "What are your goals for the upcoming year so I can put
them into my report and goals for the year. The Commission basically lost interest in that
process. So, what I have done is gone back to the benchmarks that the Commission has
set which really is the appropriate way, in my opinion."
Commissioner Brown asked Manager McLemore, "So, when are those annual goals set,
or in this case, when were those goals created for you?" Manager McLemore stated, "I
sat down with the Commissioners one on one every year and I created a list. I compiled
that list and brought it back to the Commission and said this is the list we're working
from and there was agreement with that list, and then we would move forward."
Commissioner Brown then inquired, "So, in the past two (2) years?" Manager
McLemore noted, "No, not in the last two (2) years."
Commissioner Brown then said, "I think as long as the Commission is directly
responsible for the City Clerk and the City Manager, the process needs to be the same;
and in this case, if we are not taking the time to do a formalized review and a formal goal
setting expectation, both of these individuals are really working in the dark as to what our
annual objectives and anticipated results are for them."
Further discussion followed on suggested metrics; and evaluation forms.
Deputy Mayor Gilmore suggested, "What I would like personally to see her (Andrea
Lorenzo-Luaces, City Clerk) do is come back with a list of what she did during the year,
her accomplishments. Secondly -let's say, a list of the pay of other City Clerks in our
area and somewhat of a comparison, and I would like to see her bring that back at the
next Meeting, so that we can act on this."
Commissioner Krebs then stated, "I really think it is important to be able to look at how
you are going to evaluate somebody by saying, `Okay, here are what our objectives are'
and usually you set them as a group and then yes, here is how they were met -maybe we
didn't set something; well why didn't we meet it? Maybe there is help that somebody
needs."
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Continuing, Commissioner Krebs stated, "I personally think that we should have some
formal kind of -and to Anthony's (Garganese) point, maybe there is something you could
give us that we can look at Anthony (Garganese)'s -that there should be a structure that
we follow. This isn't structured." Furthermore, Commissioner Krebs noted, "Andrea
(Lorenzo-Luaces) has done that before, as a matter of fact if I am not mistaken. You
have given us what basically you set out to do for the year; what you accomplished
during that period of time; what you still have left."
Discussion ensued on what the City Clerk has given the City Commission in past years.
Commissioner McGinnis noted, "I think when you analyze everything Andrea (Lorenzo-
Luaces) does, you will realize that it really doesn't make sense to me that she is only
accountable to the Commission and not the City Manager as in most cities." ~
Commissioner McGinnis added - "Because it is City business. It is just not confined to ,
the City Commission and I think we need to look at that at some point; but -Andrea
(Lorenzo-Luaces) has given us what was wanted in the past. I would suggest to you, not
a timeline as in the past but a job synopsis."
Commissioner Miller commented on the process and noted that "My experience now has "
been that you sit down at the beginning of the year. She tells you what she is going to do
and we know by the end of the year, whether or not most of those things have happened."~`~
Furthermore, Commissioner Miller added, "I think what we got last year was adequate. I
-didn't care for the first one because it was too long and basically month in, month out I
sit here and I watch what is going on and you see the stuff going on and you hear people
that work on City Boards who will tell you `Yes, the Minutes are produced on time; we
are happy with her performance.' I just don't see the purpose of getting into an
exhaustive analysis document four (4) or five (5) pages long."
Discussion.
•• AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING REGULAR AGENDA ITEM "603"
WAS NOW DISCUSSED INDIVIDUALLY AS NOTED ON PAGE 18. ••
REGULAR AGENDA
REGULAR
603. Office Of The City Clerk
Requests The City Commission's Direction Regarding The Upcoming Performance
Review For The City Clerk For Fiscal Year 2007-2008, As Requested By The City
Commission At A Previous Meeting.
Commissioner Krebs remarked, "I agree with the one (1) page; I am fine with it."
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Additionally, Commissioner Krebs then commented on Goals and said, "Could you bring
that back?" Commissioner Krebs added, "What I would like on that one (1) page is just
the thing that you have been able -out of your Goals to do, because -that is moving
forward. That is a good thing. I would like to see that."
Continuing, Commissioner Krebs stated, "She had objectives, so that the objectives
would be on that one (1) page; and then she also had Goals and she would pull out the
ones that she was able to meet on that one (1) page -and going forward, she would also
have continuing - we have yet to see what she is working on."
Mayor Bush suggested, "I think the Commission needs to approve her Goals, so she
doesn't work on something that you all don't think she should be doing or you know it is
not achievable without adding -more Clerks." Commissioner Krebs asked, "Wouldn't
we do that when she brought that forward?" Mayor Bush said, "Yes. But the -
Commission would then filter the Goals so to speak." ~~
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"I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ASK ANDREA
(LORENZO-LUACES) TO PRODUCE A ONE (1) PAGE LIST OF HER
ACCOMPLISHMENTS DURING THE YEAR AND ALSO PROVIDE US WITH Y.~~
A LIST OF SALARIES OF COMPARABLE POSITIONS IN ADJOINING ""~'"'~'
COMMUNITIES AND REPORT THAT BACK FOR ACTION AT THE NEXT
COMMISSION MEETING." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE.
MAYOR BUSH ASKED ABOUT GOALS. DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE
ADDED, "THAT WE INCLUDE HER GOALS FOR NEXT YEAR." SECONDED
BY COMMISSIONER BROWN. DISCUSSION.
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE THEN REMARKED, "WE ARE AFTER HER
ACCOMPLISHMENTS FOR THE YEAR. WE ARE NOT AFTER HOW MANY
TIMES SHE WAS LATE OR EARLY IN ARRIVAL OR HOW MANY NIGHTS
SHE WORKED - I WANT TO KNOW WHAT SHE DID -NOT JUST HER, IT IS
WHAT THE DEPARTMENT DID. THEY PRODUCED RECORDS, THEY
SATISFIED STUFF, THEY PRODUCED MINUTES -ALL OF THAT."
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE THEN SUGGESTED, "LET'S SAY TWO (2)
PAGES."
MAYOR BUSH ASKED, "ANDREA (LORENZO-LUACES), CAN YOU DO THIS
ON ONE (1) PAGE?" COMMISSIONER McGINNIS ADDED, "NO MORE
THAN FIVE (5)." CITY CLERK LORENZO-LUACES REMARKED, "I CAN DO
THAT ON A COUPLE OF PAGES -BRIEF AND THEN IF YOU WANT
FURTHER EXPLANATION, I CAN ELABORATE." MAYOR BUSH THEN
SAID, "THAT WOULD BE FINE." COMMISSIONER McGINNIS ADDED,
"THAT IS FINE."
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COMMISSIONER MILLER NOTED, "I THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD
COMMISSIONER GILMORE TO KIND OF INDICATE THAT THE FUTURE
WOULD BE NOT ONLY - IT WOULD BE -SHORT, MEDIUM, AND LONG
TERM BECAUSE SOME OF THESE THINGS LIKE RECORDS..."
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS ADDED, "...THEY ARE ON-GOING..."
COMMISSIONER MILLER CONTINUED, "...IT IS GOING TO GO ON FOR
FOUR (4) OR FIVE (5) YEARS OR LONGER AND CATCHING UP ON SOME
OF THESE AREAS THAT SHE HAS BEEN TRYING TO CATCH UP ON."
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE NOTED, "THAT IS A GOOD POINT." DEPUTY
MAYOR GILMORE ADDED, "HER GOALS WOULD BE SHORT TERM, LONG
TERM, MEDIUM TERM."
MAYOR BUSH NOTED, "WE ONLY -BUDGET ONE (1) YEAR IN ADVANCE."
COMMISSIONER KREBS THEN SUGGESTED, "WOULD THE COMMISSION
ACCEPT THE FACT THAT - IF SHE JUST COPIED FROM THAT PREVIOUS
- THAT THEY MET THOSE -ATTACHMENT, WHATEVER THAT SHE HAD
PROVIDED US."
Tape 3/Side B
MAYOR BUSH ASKED CITY CLERK LORENZO-LUACES, "IS IT
SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH, IN WHAT THE
COMMISSION IS ASKING FOR?" CITY CLERK LORENZO-LUACES
STATED, "I CAN DO THAT IN SAY TWO (2) TO THREE (3) PAGES, IS THAT
OKAY?"
COMMISSIONER KREBS REMARKED, "I DON'T NEED TO SEE THE TWO
(2) TO THREE (3) PAGES, I JUST NEED YOU TO SAY THAT YOU
ACCOMPLISHED THOSE GOALS -THOSE OBJECTIVES THAT YOU HAD
GIVEN TO US." CITY CLERK LORENZO-LUACES ADDED, "AND I WILL
BE GLAD TO BRING THAT BACK."
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE NOTED, "WHAT I AM HUNTING FOR ARE -
BULLET ITEMS, NOT A FULL EXPLANATION OF WHAT YOU DID.
BULLETS."
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MAYOR BUSH STATED, "NEXT MEETING." CITY CLERK LORENZO-
LUACES COMMENTED, "I WILL GET IT DONE THEN."
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VOTE:
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Mayor Bush called a Recess at 7:43 p. m.
The Regular Meeting was called back to Order at 7: S1 p. m. ~.,~,,;as;
Chief Daniel J. Kerr, Chief of Police, Police Department addressed the City Commission
briefly on an Accreditation meeting for the Police Department and invited the City
Commission. Mayor Bush asked that the City Clerk Lorenzo-Luaces post this meeting,
and brief discussion followed regarding the Agenda for this meeting. Mayor Bush then
suggested that Chief Kerr try to have Commissioner Brown and Commissioner Krebs
accommodated tomorrow night as they have pre-arranged engagements. Chief Kerr
stated, "Yes, I will."
•• AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING REGULAR AGENDA ITEM "604"
WAS NOW DISCUSSED INDIVIDUALLY AS NOTED ON PAGE 18. ••
REGULAR AGENDA
REGULAR
604. Office Of The City Manager
Requesting The Commission To Review Information Regarding The City
Manager's Annual Evaluation For Performance Year "11", November 1, 2006
Through October 31, 2007.
Manager McLemore advised the City Commission, "We got into this thing of the
Evaluation taking so much time and I explained to you when I first came here, we really
didn't have a Finance Director that could develop an Annual Report, so, we got into the
practice of waiting for the Audit to come out, so we'd know what our year-end results
were and then I could write - a reasonable Performance analysis for you in the year.
Those things have changed now."
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Continuing, Manager McLemore stated, "So, we have a lot more capability today and we
are able to generate an Annual Financial Report prior to the Audit process which means if
you wanted to and you were comfortable with that we could get back on a schedule
where in November, I could bring forward to you my Evaluation and have the year-end
Staff Report available to me to make that Report on. Which is perfectly fine for me,
works fine for me. I'd just as soon get it out of the way and have my Report to you - in
November or early December rather than waiting until the Annual Audit comes out."
Then, Manager McLemore remarked, "This does involve Performance issues and items
from -Performance year `11', which is November 1, 2006 through October 31, 2007. To
do this, of course I had to go back to the Reports and we had the Audit that was presented
to you in May, which is later this year than at any time before. So, because of a number
of issues which I explain here, I just did not take the time to stop other things that were
absolutely important to the City and worry about this.
Also, be aware that the numbers I gave you on the back in terms of average salary data is
not this year's salary information, that was salary information from a year or so ago, -
which reflects conditions back in a prior fiscal period, more in line with this Performance
year. If you take these numbers I've given you and increase them by about three and a
half percent (3.5%), it would be pretty well on top of what the salary data out there is
today.
In this review again, to keep us focused on what previous Commissions and my
discussion with some of you have established is really those things that are important to
us; again, I've listed these items and they are output-oriented or results-oriented and I
have always tried to organize your resources around these outcomes."
Manager McLemore then remarked, "The other thing that I wanted to focus you on for a
specific reason and ask you to go back and read was in the area of Policy, Policy analysis,
Policy development, which is the City Manager's probably first responsibility - to assist
the Commission in making Policy, because that's what this form of government is -your
role is to make Policy. Therefore, my function is to help you make not just Policy, but
wise Policy, that means intelligent decision-making. Intelligent decision-making is
driven by good data and good information, and by a good organization."
Furthermore, Manager McLemore stated, "Second level down for a City Manager is
Finance. Financial responsibility, financial accountability, financial reporting, is the next
most important thing that management does. If it can be done any better than it's done
and represented on this page, then you need to tell me how to do it, because I don't know
any other City Manager in this country that knows how to do this any better and can
show you better results than this.
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We're known for excellence in all services that we provide; we spend less money that the
other cities at least in Florida, as documented by the State Auditor General. We raise less
money on average than other cities, but yet we have disproportionately high reserves, and
how do you account for that other than management? You can't! You can't account for
that, other than management. And that management cannot be successful without
cooperation between the Elected Officials - and a strong management team. And we
have a strong management team that is directed on the benchmarks that this Commission
said they want to get; and we do it for less money than most other cities and do it better."
Continuing, Manager McLemore remarked, "Now relating to the operating -~
accomplishments, these are basically the things we accomplished through the
organization that relate again to the focus points or the outcomes which the Commission
has set in prior years. And they're all listed for you in here, and you've probably seen
them before. And then, down to the compensation issue -those numbers represent the ~
Seminole City average, the information, or the direction, or the Consensus that we reach
with the City Commission when I came here, was the City Commission set out several ~,.~
cities that we're going to use every year. I don't have that information on these. It °'G
always comes out about six to seven percent (6 - 7%) higher than the Seminole County -~
average. I will have it for you it at the next one, but this is the average of cities in ~'~"`
Seminole County."
Commissioner Krebs stated, "It looks like you've blended 2007 and 2008 on some of -
like on financial performance, reduce Ad Valorem Millage to 24.3. Wasn't that just this
year due to the Fire?" Manager McLemore, "Yes, it was in - we did that -the
predominance of this was [20]'07, and then there was a lot of planning going on for the
next year. So, I tried to go back and make that happen, because -we're taking a
Performance year and we are meshing it over fiscal years, and it gets a little
complicated."
Furthermore, Commissioner Krebs commented, "And what I would like to see also, if
you are going to do this - so, this would be during that time period as well? So, we're not
talking fiscal year..." Manager McLemore stated, "...Right." Manager McLemore
responded, "We would have ended the fiscal year and be in a different performance year,
it's kind of complicated." Commissioner Krebs, "Okay, but then you don't - so if we're
talking fiscal year, then we don't talk about SBA (State Board of Administration), which
probably should have been something put in here. In this upcoming year, in the 2008
Performance Review, we talk about SBA (State Board of Administration)."
Commissioner Krebs added, "Well, SBA (State Board of Administration) was done at the
same time as the reduced Ad Valorem Millage rate. It was the same, it was in
November." Manager McLemore stated, "SBA (State Board of Administration) was in
2008, was when we were dealing with SBA (State Board of Administration).
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Now, my Performance period -and when we're dealing with SBA (State Board of
Administration) was interrelated, but it is not exactly the same thing. SBA (State Board
of Administration) took place in the current year, as I understand it, and my current
would be in my 2008 performance year." Commissioner Krebs said, "Okay, so then
wouldn't the Ad Valorem, the reduction in the Ad Valorem - 24.3." Manager
McLemore, "I will check it to make sure."
Continuing, Commissioner Krebs commented, "And then the Scottish Highland Games
were 2008 -wasn't this our first year that we had them?" Manager McLemore
responded, "No." Commissioner Brown noted, "In the Town Center?" Commissioner
Krebs added, "In the Town Center?" Manager McLemore noted, "Did I refer to the
Town Center?" Commissioner Brown stated, "Yes, you did." Manager McLemore then
said, "That's a mistake." Commissioner Krebs remarked, "And the completed expansion
of the Senior Center - we did that the same time the SBA (State Board of Administration)
thing; we just had that in like December of this past year; actually it was 2007, but it was
December as well. It is just that it is blended, and I think because it is so late."
Mayor Bush added, "One of the things the Manager has not included in here, I don't
believe anyway, is that the Department Heads that he has hired are outstanding
employees. They are professionals; they are educated in their field; they work well with
citizens. I don't think we could have better Department Heads than what we have got -
with Chief Kerr, Kip Lockcuff -Kevin (Smith). I mean really, and he hired every one of
these people."
Commissioner Krebs said, "You are right, but that wasn't in this fiscal year." Mayor
Bush then said, "I know he didn't put it in there, I think that is a key thing for the
Manager, because unless we have good Department Heads, I don't care what he does, it
isn't going to work." Manager McLemore remarked, "If I could expand that, it's not just
hiring them, it's directing them -keeping all people focused on what the priorities are and
giving -continuous assistance during the year -some need more, some need less."
Additionally, Commissioner Krebs commented, "But see, then that would be something
that I would want to see, because - we can't keep going back to, well we hired the Chief,
I mean how long ago, and thank God you did - I appreciate the Mayor recognizing that
and we should always - whenever I see them walking around, I always think - we are
really lucky to have all of these Department Heads that we have and -that is to your
credit."
Discussion.
Manager McLemore then noted, "But, I agree, I didn't try to bring individual selections
up as a point in here, only that we are getting there because we have a great team of
people." Mayor Bush added, "I guess my point is that every one of them could find
another job. If they didn't like the leadership that Ron (McLemore) was providing, they
would be gone."
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Further, Mayor Bush commented, "They are extremely well-qualified people, and they
are hanging in there, putting up with us - to me that's a key measure, if you want to say a
metric, it is a key metric - we are keeping our good people and it has to be because of the
Manager. Because he is their boss and he works with them on a day-to-day basis. So, I
just wanted to put that in."
Further discussion.
Deputy Mayor Gilmore remarked, "We have attempted to define what you did in a year,
or last year -this year, and I think we all have to recognize that what Ron (McLemore)
accomplished. Let us say -what was completed this year may have started three (3) and
four (4) years ago." °'~~
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Manager McLemore noted, "I don't have any problem with going back and trying to put
this performance year back on that fiscal year and reviewing that again, and if it needs
some work, that's not a problem."
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"I PROPOSE A TWO POINT FIVE PERCENT (2.5%) RAISE FOR THIS
PERIOD." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS.
MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
"I WOULD PROPOSE A FOUR PERCENT (4%) ON HIS TAXABLE INCOME
FOR THE YEAR 2006-2007." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER.
SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE. DISCUSSION FOLLOWED ON
TAXABLE INCOME.
MANAGER McLEMORE NOTED, "IT'S NOT ON TOTAL COMPENSATION.
IT'S ON THAT INCOME THAT'S TAXED -YOU DID THAT LAST TIME,
WHICH IS THE BASE SALARY."
COMMISSIONER MILLER ADDED, "SO, LEAVE IT FOUR PERCENT (4%)
ON HIS TAXABLE INCOME." WITH FURTHER COMMENTS,
COMMISSIONER MILLER CLARIFIED THE MOTION AND STATED, "SO, IT
WOULD BE BASE SALARY PLUS HIS AUTO ALLOWANCE."
COMMISSIONER MILLER ADDED, "BASE SALARY PLUS HIS CAR
ALLOWANCE."
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: NAY
COMMISSIONER KREBS: NAY
MOTION CARRIED.
In other City business, Mayor Bush commented that he had spoken with representatives
of Seminole County and stated, "The Scottish Highland Games people have not filled out
their application for Tourist Development money and this is a continuing problem they
have and they can't get the money unless they fill the application out. I would like the
Commission to consider asking -through the Manager, through Chuck (Pula) that we
assist the Scottish Highland Games people, complete the paperwork to get it in on time
and also do the follow-up on the reporting because they have had problems with the '"m"1
reporting after the event." Mayor Bush then asked, "Is this something that the
Commission would want to get our City involved in helping them do this?" Discussion.
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"I WILL MAKE THAT A MOTION." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. DISCUSSION. '°"~ ~'
MAYOR BUSH NOTED THAT THE MOTION WAS "THE CITY WILL ASSESS
THE SCOTTISH HIGHLAND GAMES COMMITTEE IN GETTING THEIR
PAPERWORK IN FOR THEIR TOURIST DEVELOPMENT MONEY AND
ALSO TO ASSIST THEM IN COMPLETING THE REPORTS AT THE END OF
THE EVENT. "
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: NAY
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Discussion followed on the City's Newsletter and having the City Commission review it
prior to it being printed. Manager McLemore suggested, "If I could send it out to you
and you call me right back as soon as you had a chance to read it -let's say I give you a
day or so..." Commissioner Krebs noted, "...That's fine..." Manager McLemore
continued, "...And if anything really bothers you, call me back, and that's the best we
can do." Commissioner McGinnis remarked, "I do not approve of any kind of editing
from the Commission."
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Commissioner Brown said, "Let's make sure it's readable. I think we all got the message
that the content needs to be relevant, and we need to be out of the editorial business as
much as possible, but it has got to be understandable, otherwise we are wasting time
sending it out. And there are a lot of questions out there that we have to be very specific
at the proper level."
Mayor Bush noted, "What if, you know we're up against a deadline here, and I think
what Commissioner Brown is suggesting - as well, Commissioner Krebs has a good idea
- we almost need an editorial review board in a way, but they have to be put together in
advance. You can't do it this time, just can't do it." Mayor Bush suggested that City
Clerk Lorenzo-Luaces send out an electronic document.
Manager McLemore noted, "What if, we can get it completed tomorrow. I send it to you
the next day, and give you one (1) day just to comment on it." Commissioner Krebs
remarked, "But comments don't mean you have to change it. I don't intend on
commenting on it. It is more for content, unless somebody is really coming out and
saying something - a message that I never knew of or approved, that's all. My intent is
not to micro-manage."
With further discussion, Manager McLemore said, "Well, again, I'll try to get you the
copy and give you one (1) day to respond." Commissioner Miller recommended, "When
it goes to the printer, we should have the final document."
Mayor Bush added, "I think for future ones, I still like the idea -the Editorial Review
Board." Mayor Bush added, "Let us think about that and let the Manager come back with
some kind of recommendation for the future."
Lastly, Manager McLemore remarked, "Commissioner Brown had asked for us to come
back with this explanation of the tax issue and this is going to be in there -why are my
taxes going up?" Mr. Smith reviewed tax information that was distributed to the City
Commission.
Mr. Smith addressed the City Commission.
Commissioner Miller commented, "I definitely think that Fire Assessment reserve line -
either needs to say `Paid out of City reserves' or there needs to be an asterisk which says
- `This is a portion of your taxes that you did not have to pay in 2008 because it was
provided out of the City's reserves." Commissioner Krebs said, "That is a good point."
Furthermore, Commissioner Miller stated, "Well, they didn't pay it Ron (McLemore). I
made this comment a couple of months ago, that they actually got a tax break..."
Commissioner Krebs said, "...They need to know that, yes." Commissioner Miller
continued. "...In 2008. They didn't have to pay -like me. I didn't have to pay a hundred
and forty-five dollars ($145.00) this year because the City took it out of reserves and gave
it to me as a gift -one (1) time."
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Mr. Smith noted, "A lot of people think, that when it says `Fire', that means `Fire Fee'
right there, so, we've been getting a lot of calls about that." Mayor Bush, "That `Fire'
should be MSTU (Municipal Service Taxing Unit)."
Deputy Mayor Gilmore commented, "I believe that you must explain that to the people."
Mayor Bush remarked, "You are not going to be able to do it on a piece of paper."
Mayor Bush added, "I think some of the terminology could be, like Commissioner Miller
is suggesting and so forth."
With further comments, Commissioner Krebs noted, "You have Fire Assessment levied,
in fact, Fire Assessment levied, was for me, two hundred and thirty-two dollars
($232.00). But, out of that, the City's one (1) time gift was fifty percent (50%) -and my
contribution was fifty percent (50%). Those two (2) lines, I mean if you really want to
look at it, those two (2) lines, the Fire Assessment levied, if you are going to use that
term..." Mr. Smith remarked, "...Maybe I should have said `Charged'." Commissioner
Krebs suggested, "Maybe you should amend that and put `Total levied' and put the
amount. I don't know if you can do that and explain it well."
Further discussion.
Commissioner Miller commented, "You know another thing that might be interesting to
do would be to put a percentage on the end of this column right here, because that is
another thing - I think people call us, and they are really in an adversarial mood; and if
you put that last column down there in a percentage, you can say, `Did you look how
much you are paying the School District; look how much you are paying to the
County'?"
Furthermore, Commissioner Miller stated, "I think if you put the percentages, Kevin
(Smith), that would really help; because in the end, you could put a comment on the
bottom of this that says `Mayor Bush', if you want to put his name down there, `Twenty-
five percent (25%) of his tax paid this year is coming to the City; the rest is going to the
County, the School District'. Well, in any case, then put Citizen `x' (which is random),
only `Twenty-five percent (25%) of his taxes is paid to the City. The rest is being paid to
the School Board, to the County, and to other organizations'. It kind of puts it in
context." Mayor Bush, "It might be something to put in the Newsletter -what your City
taxes are, what percent."
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Deputy Mayor Gilmore then asked Manager McLemore about the columns at Glen Eagle.
Manager McLemore recommended, "That's the Homeowner's Association at work."
Mayor Bush added, "Give them the name of the Homeowner's Association."
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ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Bush adjourned the Regular Meeting at 8:53 p.m.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED:
LaDONNA SLAYTER, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY CLERK AND
ANDREA LORENZO-LUACES, CMC
CITY CLERK
APPROVED:
MAYOR JOHN F. BUSH
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NOTE: These Minutes were approved at the , 2008 Regular City Commission Meeting.
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CALL TO ORDER
The Regular Meeting of Monday, August 25, 2008 of the City Commission was called to
Order by Mayor John F. Bush at 5:15 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the
Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida
32708).
Roll Call:
Mayor John F. Bush, present
Deputy Mayor Donald A. Gilmore, present
Commissioner Robert S. Miller, present
Commissioner Rick Brown, present
Commissioner Sally McGinnis, present
Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs, present
City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, present
City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, arrived at 5:19 p.m.
The Pledge of Allegiance followed a moment of silence.
INFORMATIONAL AGENDA
INFORMATIONAL
100. Community Development Department
Advising The City Commission Of The Status Of Various Current Planning
Proiects.
No discussion.
INFORMATIONAL
101. Community Development Department
Wishes To Inform The City Commission Regarding Results Of A Flagpole Survey
Recently Sent Out By The Tuscawilla Home Owners Association (THOA) To
Determine Support For Installation Of One Or Two Flagpoles At The Main
Entrance To The Tuscawilla Subdivision.
There was no discussion on this Agenda Item.
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"MOTION TO APPROVE [INFORMATIONAL AGENDA]." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE.
DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
CONSENT AGENDA
CONSENT
200. Community Development Department
Requesting Authorization To Enter Into A Contract Agreement With Central
Florida Landscaping And Maintenance, Inc. For Landscaping To Be Installed
Pursuant To A Florida Department Of Transportation (FDOT) State Road 434
Highway Beautification Grant In The Amount Of $142,000.00.
There was no discussion on this Agenda Item.
CONSENT
201. Community Development Department
Requesting Authorization To Set The City Standard Streetlight Rate At $12.75 Per
Month Pursuant To A Revised Rate Schedule Provided By Progress Energy
Effective On August 1, 2008. The Revised Rate Represents An Increase Of $ .11
From The Previous Rate Of $12.64, Which Became Effective On January 1, 2008.
No discussion.
CONSENT
202. Parks And Recreation Department
Requesting The City Commission To Authorize The City Manager To Execute The
Concession Stands Operation Agreement With Winter Springs Youth Sports (Babe
Ruth) To Operate The Central Winds Park Concession Stands.
This Agenda Item was not discussed.
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CONSENT
203. Office Of The Mayor
Asking The City Commission To Review And Consider Approving The Attached
Resolution 2008-43 Related To Keep Seminole Beautiful And Feral Cats.
There was no discussion on this Agenda Item.
CONSENT
204. Office Of The City Clerk
Approval Of The August 4, 2008 City Commission Special Meeting Minutes.
No discussion.
CONSENT
205. Office Of The City Clerk
Approval Of The August 11, 2008 City Commission Regular Meeting Minutes.
This Agenda Item was not discussed.
CONSENT
206. Office Of The City Clerk
Approval Of The August 13, 2008 City Commission Workshop Minutes.
There was no discussion on this Agenda Item.
"MOTION TO APPROVE [CONSENT AGENDA]." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE.
DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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:•• AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
WERE NOT NECESSARILY DISCUSSED IN THE ORDER DOCUMENTED
NEXT. PLEASE NOTE THAT AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS "300" WAS
ALSO DISCUSSED ON PAGE 9. • •
AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
300. Oviedo-Winter Springs Regional Chamber Of Commerce
Incoming President Of The Oviedo-Winter Springs Regional Chamber Of
Commerce Paul P. Partyka Wishes To Address The Mayor And City Commission
About City Special Events.
This Agenda Item was discussed later in this Meeting.
AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
301. Office Of The Mayor
Issuing A Proclamation In Accordance With Section 2-82. Of The City's Code Of
Ordinances Calling The Municipal Election Of 2008.
Mayor Bush read into the Record, a Proclamation proclaiming the 2008 City of Winter
Springs Municipal Election.
City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese arrived at 5:19 p. m.
• • AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING REPORTS WERE DISCUSSED IN
THE ORDER DOCUMENTED. • •
REPORTS
REPORTS
401. Office Of The City Manager -Ronald W. McLemore
City Manager Ronald W. McLemore commented on a document related to Tropical
Storm Fay. Commissioner Sally McGinnis said, "It was a good report."
Manager McLemore added, "I didn't bring you the Agenda Item tonight because we are
not quite prepared - we still need to do a little more evaluation on what our losses are."
Manager McLemore then noted, "We will come back with an Agenda Item at your next
Meeting." Manager McLemore was asked if losses were covered by Insurance and
explained, "We will be filing for FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency)
money if it becomes available."
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Commissioner Robert S. Miller inquired if Seminole County or Winter Springs was
included in emergency legislation being discussed in Tallahassee? Manager McLemore
commented, "We don't know that yet, but we will begin to start getting that information
down probably within the next couple of weeks."
Discussion followed on issues with Hacienda Village and Moss Road.
Mayor Bush suggested, "Maybe after we do Public Input, we could take this up again."
Manager McLemore stated, "Sure." Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs suggested that an
alternative route be provided for the residents of the Winding Hollow subdivision.
Mayor Bush recommended further, "Right after Public Input, let us take this up again."
No objections were noted.
REPORTS
402. Office Of The City Clerk -Andrea Lorenzo-Luaces, CMC
No Report.
REPORTS
400. Office Of The City Attorney -Anthony A. Garganese, Esquire
Attorney Garganese mentioned a newly filed Lawsuit by Anderson's Coach (Work, Inc.)
and that the City Commission could get a copy of the complaint from the City Clerk.
Next, Attorney Garganese commented on the Jesup's Reserve Maintenance Bond issue
and remarked, "City Engineering believes there is approximately -forty-five to sixty
thousand dollars ($45,000.00 - $60,000.00) worth of maintenance punchlist items that the
Surety should be responsible for and we have gone back for months -back and forth,
Brian (Fields) with his counterpart, myself with my counterpart, the Attorney
representing the Maintenance Bond Surety company to no avail."
Continuing, Attorney Garganese noted, "To get this thing - in play and get it finally
resolved, my recommendation at this juncture would be to file a Complaint in Circuit
Court against the Surety and not only seek compensation under the Bond for the punchlist
items, but there is an argument for Attorney's Fees and Costs if we have to enforce the
provisions of the Maintenance Bond."
Note: Due to technical difficulties, the next audiotape ivas used.
Tape 2/Side A
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"MOTION TO FILE A COMPLAINT IN CIRCUIT COURT AGAINST THE
SURETY FOR THE VARIOUS REASONS THAT THE ATTORNEY JUST
STATED." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. SECONDED BY
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REPORTS
403. Office Of The Mayor -John F. Bush
Mayor Bush spoke of an offer from "Anytime Fitness" in the Villagio shopping center.
Manager McLemore mentioned, "The Policy of the City in the past is we do not allow
that kind of advertising within the City." Manager McLemore added, "This gets us back
in that First Amendment issue all over again about what can be distributed."
Mayor Bush then mentioned information on electronic bollards that he received at the
recent Florida League of Cities Annual Conference and which he gave to the City
Manager. Mayor Bush suggested that if the City Manager was interested he could bring
this back to the City Commission.
Next, Mayor Bush then spoke about biodegradable pens and noted, "We will ask the
Clerk to send this around and maybe later, we can make a decision on it."
Lastly, Mayor Bush commented on a Citizen Lobbyist service who assists with Grants
and has a database. Mayor Bush mentioned that he had provided the information to
Manager McLemore to consider.
REPORTS
404. Commission Seat One -Robert S. Miller
Commissioner Miller reminded everyone about Voting tomorrow.
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REPORTS
405. Commission Seat Two -Rick Brown
Commissioner Rick Brown commented for the Record on his recent Ethics Complaint
and stated, "Tonight, I would like to submit to the City Clerk for public record, a copy of
the WFTV (Channel 9) news article." Commissioner Brown added, "Anthony
(Garganese), you will have to make a determination on what copyright laws exist for
Channel 9 as to whether the public is allowed to have copies of that from us or if they
need to go through Channel 9."
REPORTS
406. Commission Seat Three/Deputy Mayor -Donald A. Gilmore
No Report.
REPORTS
407. Commission Seat Four -Sally McGinnis
No Report.
REPORTS
408. Commission Seat Five -Joanne M. Krebs
Commissioner Krebs mentioned about comments she had received from a Winding
Hollow resident.
Next, Commissioner Krebs commented on the Ethics charge and serving as Elected
Officials.
Commissioner Krebs commented on the Organizational Chart and stated that the City
Clerk "Should be right under the Mayor and the City Commission, with the Advisory
Boards, the City Manager, City Attorney - I think it should also be City Clerk. So, if that
is agreed, could that be corrected for the Final Budget?" Discussion followed on dotted
and solid lines. Commissioner Krebs added, "I know she works -for us and I just
thought that since she is a Charter member like the rest, that is where it belonged."
Commissioner Krebs added, "If that is not correct, then I guess the Commission should
decide where they want it. I just thought it was a mistake.
Mayor Bush said, "Can you fix that and bring it back to the City Commission?" Manager
McLemore stated, "Okay, I can give you two (2) examples."
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Next, Commissioner Krebs commented, "I would like some consideration given to
review Benefit Plans and -goals of this Commission, what they would like to see as well.
So, I think that if we could work that into some kind of Workshop going forward."
Commissioner Krebs added, "I am not saying tomorrow, I am just saying some time in
the near future." Commissioner Krebs suggested, "Goals that we would like to see
happen in the next year -what we as a Commission would like to plan for next year."
Continuing, Commissioner Krebs suggested, "You might just want to start with a
skeleton to work off of - not a methodology." Commissioner Brown suggested, "To me
it seems like rather a simple goal setting process that we leverage against our current
Budget."
Mayor Bush suggested a Workshop date of "[Monday] September 15``", [2008]?"
Commissioner Brown stated, "Works for me." Commissioner Krebs remarked, "Okay."
Mayor Bush then asked, "5:30 [p.m.] on the 15`h? Everybody in agreement?"
Commissioner Krebs commented, "Okay." Commissioner McGinnis stated, "Yes."
Mayor Bush said to City Clerk Andrea Lorenzo-Luaces, "Get that on the Calendar."
Mayor Bush further asked the City Commission, "What about taking Public Input during
that time as well?"
Commissioner Brown noted, "Sure." Commissioner Krebs stated, "Why not? Good
idea." Mayor Bush summarized, "It is a Workshop, but we will have Public Input."
Commissioner Krebs asked, "Are there any feelings on discussion or looking at other
benefit plans that are out there and cost savings, and things like that?" Commissioner
Krebs suggested, "Maybe we can talk about it and then set another Workshop date, why
don't we do that."
Mayor Bush noted, "I think that would be a good idea." Commissioner Krebs stated,
"Okay." Mayor Bush added, "Make sure you bring it up."
•• AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
AGENDA ITEM WAS DISCUSSED AGAIN, AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED ON
PAGE 4 OF THESE MINUTES, FOLLOWED BY THE REST OF THE
AGENDA. • •
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AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
300. Oviedo-Winter Springs Regional Chamber Of Commerce
Incoming President Of The Oviedo-Winter Springs Regional Chamber Of
Commerce Paul P. Partyka Wishes To Address The Mayor And City Commission
About City Special Events.
Mr. Paul Partyka, 292 Solaris Wharf Street, Winter Springs, Florida: commented on
recent WLOQ events and also introduced the current Oviedo-Winter Springs Regional
Chamber Of Commerce President Charles Lacey.
Commissioner Brown noted, "Just for the Record, I am a party to this presentation."
Mr. Partyka commented on special events; contracts; presented three (3) checks to the
City so that the City would not lose any credibility; and the City Commission supporting
events.
Much discussion ensued on previous actions; contracts; and what would be fair.
Mayor Bush said, "I would like to hold up on cashing these checks until the Chamber [of
Commerce] has a chance to meet with the Manager -and bring back a recommendation.
Is that okay with you?" Mr. Partyka remarked, "We'll go along with whatever the City
decides." Mayor Bush then asked, "Commissioners, are you okay with that."
Commissioner Krebs stated, "Yes." Commissioner McGinnis commented, "Yes."
Commissioner Miller remarked, "Yes." No objections were voiced.
Mayor Bush added, "We will not cash these." Furthermore, Mayor Bush noted, "I will
give these checks to the Clerk and she can hold them until we decide what to do with it."
Next, Mayor Bush stated, "Let us do the Winding Hollow issue now."
• • AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING PUBLIC INPUT WAS
DISCUSSED NEXT, AND LATER IN THE MEETING, AS NOTED ON PAGE 12
OF THESE MINUTES. • •
PUBLIC INPUT
Mr. Tom High, =100 Timberglen Court, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke of problems in
Winding Hollow related to recent flooding and emergency entrances/exits; and suggested
that the road be widened.
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Mr. Mark Johnson, 1056 Winding Waters Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: as the
President of the Winding Hollow Homeowner's Association, Mr. Johnson, thanked the
Police Department for their assistance with the recent flooding, and also suggested that
the entryway be widened.
Tape 2/Side B
Commissioner Krebs mentioned a resident who had some complaints.
Next, Commissioner Miller spoke for the Record about when Winding Hollow was built
and the houses that were built which faced the creek.
Discussion followed on possible solutions, to which Mr. Kip Lockcuff, P.E., Director,
Public Works/Utility Department said, "I think Alton (Road) is a much bigger deal than
the Oak Hollow park one. I don't need to do any design work for Oak Hollow park."
Manager McLemore noted, "I just don't think that the one is the solution - it doesn't give
you the security I think you really deserve. We need to look at both."
Mayor Bush remarked about the City Manager's Memorandum and noted that it
"Outlines three (3) curative options -one was the Trotwood, two (2) was the Alton
(Road) and three (3) was the widening of the eight foot (8') sidewalks -and then the long
term which would be the engineering - we talked about."
"I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO -HAVE THE CITY MANAGER
DIRECT STAFF TO ENGINEER AN EMERGENCY ESCAPE ROUTE OR TWO
(2) -FOR WINDING HOLLOW -AND TO ACT ON THAT IMMEDIATELY."
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER
BROWN. DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER MILLER ADDED, "I WOULD LIKE THE CITY MANAGER
TO COMMENT WHEN HE BRINGS HIS INFORMATION BACK ON THE
REAL USE OF THAT SECOND ONE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT;
BECAUSE FOR ABOUT TWO (2) DAYS THE ENTRANCE TO -WINDING
HOLLOW WAS IMPASSABLE; AND DURING THOSE TWO (2) DAYS, THAT
SECOND EXIT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WAS ALSO IMPASSABLE
BECAUSE THOSE TWO (2) STORM DRAINS THEY HAVE THERE, THE
WATER IS RUNNING RIGHT OVER THE TOP OF THEM AND IN SEVERAL
PLACES AS A MATTER OF FACT - IT IS RUNNING OVER THE ROADWAY
ON ALTON ROAD TOO, ABOUT A FOOT DEEP, FOR ALMOST FOUR (4) OR
FIVE (5) HOURS."
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MANAGER McLEMORE EXPLAINED, "IT IS AN ENGINEERING ISSUE AND
WE WILL ADDRESS THAT. KEEP IN MIND, FLOODING IS ONLY ONE WAY
THAT THESE PEOPLE CAN BE PUT IN THIS POSITION..."
COMMISSIONER KREBS ADDED, "...RIGHT. THIS IS A CURE FOR OTHER
THINGS BESIDES."
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Mr. Laurent Pellerin, 116 South Moss Road, Winter Springs, Florida: commented on
working with Developers on the building near the GreeneWay; and wanted to see Budget
cuts made.
• • AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING PUBLIC HEARINGS AGENDA
ITEM "500" WAS DISCUSSED NEXT, AND WAS ALSO DISCUSSED AGAIN,
AS NOTED ON PAGE 13. • •
PUBLIC HEARINGS AGENDA
PUBLIC HEARINGS
500. Community Development Department -Planning Division
Requests That The City Commission Hold A Public Hearing For 2"d Reading And
Adoption Of Ordinance 2008-13, Which Amends The Height Of Walls Allowed
Within The I-1 Light Industrial Zoning District.
Attorney Garganese read the Ordinance by "Title" only.
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
Mr. Hugh Harling, Harling, Locklin & Associates, 850 Courtland Street, Orlando,
Florida: addressed the City Commission and stated, "The only issue I have is that the
actual Zoning that we went to was a Commercial Restricted Zoning and should this
reflect that in the Ordinance?"
Mr. Randy Stevenson, ASLA, AICP, Director, Community Development Department
stated, "I believe the agreement on the C-2 Zoning covers the wall itself in that Zoning
District, this is for the I-1 Zoning." Attorney Garganese added, "This Ordinance only
addresses the I-1 Zoning District."
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Ms. Eloise Sahlstrom ASLA, AICP, Senior Planner, Community Development
Department added, "This revision to the I-1 Zoning District affects any properties that are
currently zoned I-1 which these are highlighted."
Mayor Bush said to Mr. Harting, "Does that answer your concerns?" Mr. Harting
responded, "Yes Sir, it does." Mayor Bush noted, "Let the Record reflect that it did
answer -his concerns."
The "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item was closed.
"MOVE FOR APPROVAL." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Deputy Mayor Donald A. Gilmore stated, "I think that this does still affect Bart Phillips'
property on the side where the school is. So - he does have an interest in this one." Ms.
Sahlstrom remarked, "It would allow him to build this ten foot (10') wall along that
perimeter there." Deputy Mayor Gilmore added, "That is correct."
•• AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING PUBLIC INPUT WAS DISCUSSED
AGAIN, AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED ON PAGES 9-11 OF THESE MINUTES. •S •S
PUBLIC INPUT
Mr. Irma Panzella, 311 Twelve Oaks Drive, Winter Springs, Florida: Mayor Bush stated
that Ms. Panzella was not here but commented on possible solutions for the Winding
Hollow subdivision.
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:••3 AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING PUBLIC HEARINGS AGENDA
ITEM "500" WAS AGAIN DISCUSSED, AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED ON PAGES
11-12 OF THESE MINUTES. THE REST OF THE AGENDA FOLLOWS. ••
PUBLIC HEARINGS AGENDA
PUBLIC HEARINGS
500. Community Development Department -Planning Division
Requests That The City Commission Hold A Public Hearing For 2°d Reading And
Adoption Of Ordinance 2008-13, Which Amends The Height Of Walls Allowed
Within The I-1 Light Industrial Zoning District.
Further on this Agenda Item, Attorney Garganese noted, "The comment was made
regarding the frontage property along (State Road) 419 -just to clarify -when the City
Commission adopted the changes to the -Zoning District to allow outdoor storage, one
of the requirements is that they have awall - C-2 to have a wall ten foot (10') high to act
as a visual screen. So, the answer to the gentleman's question is yes, it's already
addressed in the previous Ordinance that you adopted for the C-2 property. This
Ordinance would allow the ten foot (10') wall along the School District property."
PUBLIC HEARINGS
501. Community Development Department -Planning Division
Requests That The City Commission Hold A Public Hearing To Consider Adoption
Of Resolution 2008-36 Which Designates An Area Of The City As The "Town
Center Seminole Economic Enhancement District (SEED)Brownfield Area".
Ms. Sahlstrom introduced this Agenda Item.
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item
No one spoke.
Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
With discussion, Ms. Sahlstrom remarked, "What our understanding was is that this map
can be Amended at any time, so, if this land was to be Annexed in, then we could go
through the process and update the map."
"MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. DISCUSSION.
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MS. SAHLSTROM NOTED, "NOT THIS ENTIRE AREA, BUT PLANTE
PROPERTY WAS DESIGNATED A - AREA ALREADY UNDER THE
SEMINOLE COUNTY PROCESS." DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE ASKED,
"WAS THAT A S.E.E.D. (SEMINOLE ECONOMIC ENHANCEMENT
DISTRICT) OR A BROWNFIELD?" MS. SAHLSTROM NOTED, "IT WAS A
BROWNFIELD."
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
502. Community Development Department -Planning Division
Requests That The City Commission Hold A Public Hearing To Consider Adoption
Of Resolution 2008-37 Which Designates An Area Of The City As The "Village
Walk Seminole Economic Enhancement District (SEED)Brownfield Area".
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
No one spoke.
Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
"MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BROWN. DISCUSSION.
MR. STEVENSON REMARKED, "ON THE VILLAGE WALK, JUST SO WE'RE
CLEAR ON THIS -THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT CAME UP IN ONE OF
THE PUBLIC HEARINGS RELATIVE TO -LOW-INCOME HOUSING. IF THE
AREAS OF THESE S.E.E.D. (SEMINOLE ECONOMIC ENHANCEMENT
DISTRICT) AREAS THAT ARE COMMERCIAL, NO ONE CAN FORCE YOU
TO PUT ANY HOUSING ON THEM.
IF YOU HAVE SOME AREAS THAT ARE DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL AND
WE DO IN FACT, IN THE VILLAGE WALK, YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH
THEM ON LOW-INCOME HOUSING IN THAT AREA, IN TERMS OF AN
UPGRADE." MR. STEVENSON ADDED, "THEY STILL HAVE TO CONFORM
TO OUR REGULATIONS."
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Mr. John Metsopoulos, US 17-92 CRA Program Manager, Seminole County, 1055 AAA
Drive, Suite 1.1~, Heathrow, Florida: addressed the City Commission and stated, "If it is
zoned Commercial, they cannot require you to build housing in a Commercially Zoned
area."
MAYOR BUSH ASKED, "DID YOU GET THAT INFORMATION BACK TO
THAT CITIZEN RANDY (STEVENSON) THAT ASKED THAT QUESTION?"
MR. STEVENSON RESPONDED, "I HAVE NOT YET, BUT I WILL GET IT
BACK TOMORROW MORNING TO HIM."
FURTHER DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS SPOKE FOR THE RECORD ON FINANCIAL
DISTINCTIONS RELATED TO HOUSING AND WORKFORCE HOUSING.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
503. Communit,~ Development Department -Planning Division
Requests That The City Commission Hold A Public Hearing To Consider Adoption
Of Resolution 2008-38 Which Designates An Area Of The City As The "GreeneWay
Interchange Seminole Economic Enhancement District (SEED)/Brownfield Area".
Brief discussion.
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
No one spoke.
Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input "portion of the Agenda Item.
MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION. SECONDED. DISCUSSION.
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Commissioner Miller left the Commission Chambers at 6.•48 p. m.
REGULAR AGENDA
REGULAR
600. Office Of The City Manager
Requesting The Commission To Review A Draft Policy Regarding Charitable
Donations And To Provide Any Direction It Deems Appropriate.
Brief discussion.
Commissioner Miller returned to the dais at 6: SO p. m.
"MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
ATTORNEY GARGANESE NOTED, "I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S THE INTENT TO
ADDRESS SPONSORSHIPS - THIS IS DIRECT CHARITABLE
CONTRIBUTIONS." MANAGER McLEMORE ADDED, "THAT WAS GOING
TO BE ANOTHER RESOLUTION."
DISCUSSION.
Tape 3/Side A
FURTHER DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: NAY
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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REGULAR
601. Community Development Department
Requests That The Commission Approve The Tali's Crossing Final Subdivision Plat
And Authorize Its Recordation, Subject To The City Attorney's Review And
Comments.
Mr. John Baker, AICP, Senior Planner, Community Development Department introduced
this Agenda Item
Discussion.
"MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REGULAR
602. Parks And Recreation Department
Requesting That The City Commission Consider Approval And Give Staff Direction
Regarding A Winter Springs Hometown Harvest Special Event.
Mr. Chuck Pula, Director, Parks and Recreation Department spoke on this Agenda Item.
Discussion.
Commissioner Krebs asked, "Who do we have working on our Sponsors -have we sent
out an RFP (Request for Proposal) for anybody to get involved?" Manager McLemore
noted, "We're preparing it now and hopefully we can get it out of here within a week or
so."
Discussion.
"I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT STAFF GO BACK AND FIND A
WAY TO PAY FOR THIS THROUGH SPONSORSHIPS AND ADVERTISING
TO MAKE THIS EVENT HAPPEN. WE HAVE SIXTY (60) DAYS.
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WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT KNOW HOW TO DO THIS
OR HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING SHORT-TERM PROJECTS OFF
THE GROUND SUCCESSFULLY. THEY EXIST THROUGHOUT SEMINOLE
COUNTY -LET US GO MAKE IT HAPPEN." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER
BROWN. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION
COMMISSIONER KREBS ADDED, "COMMISSIONER BROWN, WOULD
THAT INCLUDE ANY KIND OF CREATIVE WAY TO HAVE HELP IF THEY
SO NEED IT, BUT AT NO COST TO THE CITY?" COMMISSIONER BROWN
STATED, "WHY NOT."
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
•• AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING TWO (2) REGULAR AGENDA
ITEMS "603" AND "604" WERE DISCUSSED SIMULTANEOUSLY AS NOTED
NEXT, AND THEN INDIVIDUALLY. ••3
REGULAR AGENDA
REGULAR
603. Office Of The City Clerk
Requests The City Commission's Direction Regarding The Upcoming Performance
Review For The City Clerk For Fiscal Year 2007-2008, As Requested By The City
Commission At A Previous Meeting.
REGULAR
604. Office Of The City Manager
Requesting The Commission To Review Information Regarding The City
Manager's Annual Evaluation For Performance Year "11", November 1, 2006
Through October 31, 2007.
Discussion.
Commissioner McGinnis suggested that the City Clerk did not need to provide
information going back to 2001.
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Further discussion followed on whether there was an Evaluation process for employees of
the City Commission. Commissioner Brown inquired, "Is there a formal process - a
formal document that we use for this purpose?" Commissioner Brown added, "I wonder
if there shouldn't be and maybe this is yet another Workshop, but maybe I think we need
to enter into a more formalized process for individuals who are direct employees of the
Commission."
Discussion continued on other cities.
Manager McLemore stated, "Prior to two (2) years ago, I sat down with the Commission
individually, each year and said "What are your goals for the upcoming year so I can put
them into my report and goals for the year. The Commission basically lost interest in that
process. So, what I have done is gone back to the benchmarks that the Commission has
set which really is the appropriate way, in my opinion."
Commissioner Brown asked Manager McLemore, "So, when are those annual goals set,
or in this case, when were those goals created for you?" Manager McLemore stated, "I
sat down with the Commissioners one on one every year and I created a list. I compiled
that list and brought it back to the Commission and said this is the list we're working
from and there was agreement with that list, and then we would move forward."
Commissioner Brown then inquired, "So, in the past two (2) years?" Manager
McLemore noted, "No, not in the last two (2) years."
Commissioner Brown then said, "I think as long as the Commission is directly
responsible for the City Clerk and the City Manager, the process needs to be the same;
and in this case, if we are not taking the time to do a formalized review and a formal goal
setting expectation, both of these individuals are really working in the dark as to what our
annual objectives and anticipated results are for them."
Further discussion followed on suggested metrics; and evaluation forms.
Deputy Mayor Gilmore suggested, "What I would like personally to see her (Andrea
Lorenzo-Luaces, City Clerk) do is come back with a list of what she did during the year,
her accomplishments. Secondly -let's say, a list of the pay of other City Clerks in our
area and somewhat of a comparison, and I would like to see her bring that back at the
next Meeting, so that we can act on this."
Commissioner Krebs then stated, "I really think it is important to be able to look at how
you are going to evaluate somebody by saying, `Okay, here are what our objectives are'
and usually you set them as a group and then yes, here is how they were met -maybe we
didn't set something; well why didn't we meet it? Maybe there is help that somebody
needs."
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Continuing, Commissioner Krebs stated, "I personally think that we should have some
formal kind of -and to Anthony's (Garganese) point, maybe there is something you could
give us that we can look at Anthony (Garganese)'s -that there should be a structure that
we follow. This isn't structured." Furthermore, Commissioner Krebs noted, "Andrea
(Lorenzo-Luaces) has done that before, as a matter of fact if I am not mistaken. You
have given us what basically you set out to do for the year; what you accomplished
during that period of time; what you still have left."
Discussion ensued on what the City Clerk has given the City Commission in past years.
Commissioner McGinnis noted, "I think when you analyze everything Andrea (Lorenzo-
Luaces) does, you will realize that it really doesn't make sense to me that she is only
accountable to the Commission and not the City Manager as in most cities."
Commissioner McGinnis added - "Because it is City business. It is just not confined to
the City Commission and I think we need to look at that at some point; but -Andrea
(Lorenzo-Luaces) has given us what was wanted in the past. I would suggest to you, not
a timeline as in the past but a job synopsis."
Commissioner Miller commented on the process and noted that "My experience now has
been that you sit down at the beginning of the year. She tells you what she is going to do
and we know by the end of the year, whether or not most of those things have happened."
Furthermore, Commissioner Miller added, "I think what we got last year was adequate. I
-didn't care for the first one because it was too long and basically month in, month out I
sit here and I watch what is going on and you see the stuff going on and you hear people
that work on City Boards who will tell you `Yes, the Minutes are produced on time; we
are happy with her performance.' I just don't see the purpose of getting into an
exhaustive analysis document four (4) or five (5) pages long."
Discussion.
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WAS NOW DISCUSSED INDIVIDUALLY AS NOTED ON PAGE 18. ••
REGULAR AGENllA
REGULAR
603. Office Of The City Clerk
Requests The City Commission's Direction Regarding The Upcoming Performance
Review For The City Clerk For Fiscal Year 2007-2008, As Requested By The City
Commission At A Previous Meeting.
Commissioner Krebs remarked, "I agree with the one (1) page; I am fine with it."
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Additionally, Commissioner Krebs then commented on Goals and said, "Could you bring
that back?" Commissioner Krebs added, "What I would like on that one (1) page is just
the thing that you have been able -out of your Goals to do, because -that is moving
forward. That is a good thing. I would like to see that."
Continuing, Commissioner Krebs stated, "She had objectives, so that the objectives
would be on that one (1) page; and then she also had Goals and she would pull out the
ones that she was able to meet on that one (1) page -and going forward, she would also
have continuing - we have yet to see what she is working on."
Mayor Bush suggested, "I think the Commission needs to approve her Goals, so she
doesn't work on something that you all don't think she should be doing or you know it is
not achievable without adding -more Clerks." Commissioner Krebs asked, "Wouldn't
we do that when she brought that forward?" Mayor Bush said, "Yes. But the
Commission would then filter the Goals so to speak."
"I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ASK ANDREA
(LORENZO-LUACES) TO PRODUCE A ONE (1) PAGE LIST OF HER
ACCOMPLISHMENTS DURING THE YEAR AND ALSO PROVIDE US WITH
A LIST OF SALARIES OF COMPARABLE POSITIONS IN ADJOINING
COMMUNITIES AND REPORT THAT BACK FOR ACTION AT THE NEXT
COMMISSION MEETING." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE.
MAYOR BUSH ASKED ABOUT GOALS. DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE
ADDED, "THAT WE INCLUDE HER GOALS FOR NEXT YEAR." SECONDED
BY COMMISSIONER BROWN. DISCUSSION.
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE THEN REMARKED, "WE ARE AFTER HER
ACCOMPLISHMENTS FOR THE YEAR. WE ARE NOT AFTER HOW MANY
TIMES SHE WAS LATE OR EARLY IN ARRIVAL OR HOW MANY NIGHTS
SHE WORKED - I WANT TO KNOW WHAT SHE DID -NOT JUST HER, IT IS
WHAT THE DEPARTMENT DID. THEY PRODUCED RECORDS, THEY
SATISFIED STUFF, TIIEY PRODUCED MINUTES -ALL OF THAT."
DEPUTY MAY012 GILMORE THEN SUGGESTED, "LET'S SAY TWO (2)
PAGES."
MAYOR BUSH ASKED, "ANDREA (LORENZO-LUACES), CAN YOU DO THIS
ON ONE (1) PAGE?" COMMISSIONER McGINNIS ADDED, "NO MORE
THAN FIVE (5)." CITY CLERK LORENZO-LUACES REMARKED, "I CAN DO
THAT ON A COUPLE OF PAGES -BRIEF AND THEN IF YOU WANT
FURTHER EXPLANATION, I CAN ELABORATE." MAYOR BUSH THEN
SAID, "THAT WOULD BE FINE." COMMISSIONER McGINNIS ADDED,
"THAT IS FINE."
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COMMISSIONER MILLER NOTED, "I THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD
COMMISSIONER GILMORE TO KIND OF INDICATE THAT THE FUTURE
WOULD BE NOT ONLY - IT WOULD BE -SHORT, MEDIUM, AND LONG
TERM BECAUSE SOME OF THESE THINGS LIKE RECORDS..."
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS ADDED, "...THEY ARE ON-GOING..."
COMMISSIONER MILLER CONTINUED, "...IT IS GOING TO GO ON FOR
FOUR (4) OR FIVE (5) YEARS OR LONGER AND CATCHING UP ON SOME
OF THESE AREAS THAT SHE HAS BEEN TRYING TO CATCH UP ON."
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE NOTED, "THAT IS A GOOD POINT." DEPUTY
MAYOR GILMORE ADDED, "HER GOALS WOULD BE SHORT TERM, LONG
TERM, MEDIUM TERM."
MAYOR BUSH NOTED, "WE ONLY -BUDGET ONE (1) YEAR IN ADVANCE."
COMMISSIONER KREBS THEN SUGGESTED, "WOULD THE COMMISSION
ACCEPT THE FACT THAT - IF SHE JUST COPIED FROM THAT PREVIOUS
- THAT THEY MET THOSE -ATTACHMENT, WHATEVER THAT SHE HAD
PROVIDED US."
Tape 3/Side Q
MAYOR BUSH ASKED CITY CLERK LORENZO-LUACES, "IS IT
SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH, IN WHAT THE
COMMISSION IS ASKING FOR?" CITY CLERK LORENZO-LUACES
STATED, "I CAN DO THAT IN SAY TWO (2) TO THREE (3) PAGES, IS THAT
OKAY?"
COMMISSIONER KREBS REMARKED, "I DON'T NEED TO SEE THE TWO
(2) TO THREE (3) PAGES, I JUST NEED YOU TO SAY THAT YOU
ACCOMPLISHED THOSE GOALS -THOSE OBJECTIVES THAT YOU HAD
GIVEN TO US." CITY CLERK LORENZO-LUACES ADDED, "AND I WILL
BE GLAD TO BRING THAT BACK."
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE NOTED, "WHAT I AM HUNTING FOR ARE -
BULLET ITEMS, NOT A FULL EXPLANATION OF WHAT YOU DID.
BULLETS."
MAYOR BUSII STATED, "NEXT MEETING." CITY CLERK LORENZO-
LUACES COMMENTED, "I WILL GET IT DONE THEN."
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VOTE:
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Mayor Bush called a Recess at 7:43 p. m.
The Regular Meeting was called back to Order at 7:51 p. m.
Chief Daniel J. Kel•r, Chief of Police, Police Department addressed the City Commission
briefly on an Accreditation meeting for the Police Department and invited the City
Commission. Mayor Bush asked that the City Clerk Lorenzo-Luaces post this meeting,
and brief discussion followed regarding the Agenda for this meeting. Mayor Bush then
suggested that Chief Kerr try to have Commissioner Brown and Commissioner Krebs
accommodated tomorrow night as they have pre-arranged engagements. Chief Kerr
stated, "Yes, I will."
•• AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING REGULAR AGENDA ITEM "604"
WAS NOW DISCUSSED INDIVIDUALLY AS NOTED ON PAGE 18. •S•
REGULAR AGENDA
REGULAR
604. Office Of The City Manager
Requesting The Commission To Review Information Regarding The City
Manager's Annual Evaluation For Performance Year "11", November 1, 2006
Through October 31, 2007.
Manager McLemore advised the City Commission, "We got into this thing of the
Evaluation taking so much time and I explained to you when I first came here, we really
didn't have a Finance Director that could develop an Annual Report, so, we got into the
practice of waiting for the Audit to come out, so we'd know what our year-end results
were and then I could write - a reasonable Performance analysis for you in the year.
Those things have changed now."
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Continuing, Manager McLemore stated, "So, we have a lot more capability today and we
are able to generate an Annual Financial Report prior to the Audit process which means if
you wanted to and you were comfortable with that we could get back on a schedule
where in November, I could bring forward to you my Evaluation and have the year-end
Staff Report available to me to make that Report on. Which is perfectly fine for me,
works fine for me. I'd just as soon get it out of the way and have my Report to you - in
November or early December rather than waiting until the Annual Audit comes out."
Then, Manager McLemore remarked, "This does involve Performance issues and items
from -Performance year `11', which is November 1, 2006 through October 31, 2007. To
do this, of course I had to go back to the Reports and we had the Audit that was presented
to you in May, which is later this year than at any time before. So, because of a number
of issues which I explain here, I just did not take the time to stop other things that were
absolutely important to the City and worry about this.
Also, be aware that the numbers I gave you on the back in terms of average salary data is
not this year's salary information, that was salary information from a year or so ago,
which reflects conditions back in a prior fiscal period, more in line with this Performance
year. If you take these numbers I've given you and increase them by about three and a
half percent (3.5%), it would be pretty well on top of what the salary data out there is
today.
In this review again, to keep us focused on what previous Commissions and my
discussion with solve of you have established is really those things that are important to
us; again, I've listed these items and they are output-oriented or results-oriented and I
have always tried to organize your resources around these outcomes."
Manager McLemore then remarked, "The other thing that I wanted to focus you on for a
specific reason and ask you to go back and read was in the area of Policy, Policy analysis,
Policy development, which is the City Manager's probably first responsibility - to assist
the Commission in making Policy, because that's what this form of government is -your
role is to make Policy. Therefore, my function is to help you make not just Policy, but
wise Policy, that means intelligent decision-making. Intelligent decision-making is
driven by good data and good information, and by a good organization."
Furthermore, Manager McLemore stated, "Second level down for a City Manager is
Finance. Financial responsibility, financial accountability, financial reporting, is the next
most important thing that management does. If it can be done any better than it's done
and represented on this page, then you need to tell me how to do it, because I don't know
any other City Manager in this country that knows how to do this any better and can
show you better results than this.
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We're known for excellence in all services that we provide; we spend less money that the
other cities at least in Florida, as documented by the State Auditor General. We raise less
money on average than other cities, but yet we have disproportionately high reserves, and
how do you account for that other than management? You can't! You can't account for
that, other than management. And that management cannot be successful without
cooperation between the Elected Officials - and a strong management team. And we
have a strong management team that is directed on the benchmarks that this Commission
said they want to get; and we do it for less money than most other cities and do it better."
Continuing, Manager McLemore remarked, "Now relating to the operating
accomplishments, these are basically the things we accomplished through the
organization that relate again to the focus points or the outcomes which the Commission
has set in prior years. And they're all listed for you in here, and you've probably seen
them before. And then, down to the compensation issue -those numbers represent the
Seminole City average, the information, or the direction, or the Consensus that we reach
with the City Commission when I came here, was the City Commission set out several
cities that we're going to use every year. I don't have that information on these. It
always comes out about six to seven percent (6 - 7%) higher than the Seminole County
average. I will have it for you it at the next one, but this is the average of cities in
Seminole County."
Commissioner Krebs stated, "It looks like you've blended 2007 and 2008 on some of -
like on financial performance, reduce Ad Valorem Millage to 24.3. Wasn't that just this
year due to the Fire?" Manager McLemore, "Yes, it was in - we did that -the
predominance of this was [20]'07, and then there was a lot of planning going on for the
next year. So, I tried to go back and make that happen, because -we're taking a
Performance year and we are meshing it over fiscal years, and it gets a little
complicated."
Furthermore, Commissioner Krebs commented, "And what I would like to see also, if
you are going to do this - so, this would be during that time period as well? So, we're not
talking fiscal year..." Manager McLemore stated, "...Right." Manager McLemore
responded, "We would have ended the fiscal year and be in a different performance year,
it's kind of complicated." Commissioner Krebs, "Okay, but then you don't - so if we're
talking fiscal year, then we don't talk about SBA (State Board of Administration), which
probably should have been something put in here. In this upcoming year, in the 2008
Performance Review, eve talk about SBA (State Board of Administration)."
Commissioner Krebs added, "Well, SBA (State Board of Administration) was done at the
same time as the reduced Ad Valorem Millage rate. It was the same, it was in
November." Manager McLemore stated, "SBA (State Board of Administration) was in
2008, was when we were dealing with SBA (State Board of Administration).
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Now, my Performance period -and when we're dealing with SBA (State Board of
Administration) was interrelated, but it is not exactly the same thing. SBA (State Board
of Administration) took place in the current year, as I understand it, and my current
would be in my 2008 performance year." Commissioner Krebs said, "Okay, so then
wouldn't the Ad Valorem, the reduction in the Ad Valorem - 24.3." Manager
McLemore, "I will check it to make sure."
Continuing, Commissioner Krebs commented, "And then the Scottish Highland Games
were 2008 -wasn't this our first year that we had them?" Manager McLemore
responded, "No." Commissioner Brown noted, "In the Town Center?" Commissioner
Krebs added, "In the Town Center?" Manager McLemore noted, "Did I refer to the
Town Center?" Commissioner Brown stated, "Yes, you did." Manager McLemore then
said, "That's a mistake." Commissioner Krebs remarked, "And the completed expansion
of the Senior Center - we did that the same time the SBA (State Board of Administration)
thing; we just had that in like December of this past year; actually it was 2007, but it was
December as well. It is just that it is blended, and I think because it is so late."
Mayor Bush added, ``One of the things the Manager has not included in here, I don't
believe anyway, is that the Department Heads that he has hired are outstanding
employees. They are professionals; they are educated in their field; they work well with
citizens. I don't think we could have better Department Heads than what we have got -
with Chief Kerr, Kip Lockcuff -Kevin (Smith). I mean really, and he hired every one of
these people."
Commissioner Krebs said, "You are right, but that wasn't in this fiscal year." Mayor
Bush then said, "I know he didn't put it in there, I think that is a key thing for the
Manager, because unless we have good Department Heads, I don't care what he does, it
isn't going to work." Manager McLemore remarked, "If I could expand that, it's not just
hiring them, it's directing them -keeping all people focused on what the priorities are and
giving -continuous assistance during the year -some need more, some need less."
Additionally, Commissioner Krebs commented, "But see, then that would be something
that I would want to see, because - we can't keep going back to, well we hired the Chief,
I mean how long ago, and thank God you did - I appreciate the Mayor recognizing that
and we should always - whenever I see them walking around, I always think - we are
really lucky to have all of these Department Heads that we have and -that is to your
credit."
Discussion.
Manager McLemore then noted, "But, I agree, I didn't try to bring individual selections
up as a point in here, only that we are getting there because we have a great team of
people." Mayor Bush added, "I guess my point is that every one of them could find
another job. If they didn't like the leadership that Ron (McLemore) was providing, they
would be gone."
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Further, Mayor Bush commented, "They are extremely well-qualified people, and they
are hanging in there, putting up with us - to me that's a key measure, if you want to say a
metric, it is a key metric - we are keeping our good people and it has to be because of the
Manager. Because he is their boss and he works with them on a day-to-day basis. So, I
just wanted to put that in."
Further discussion.
Deputy Mayor Gilmore remarked, "We have attempted to define what you did in a year,
or last year -this year, and I think we all have to recognize that what Ron (McLemore)
accomplished. Let us say -what was completed this year may have started three (3) and
four (4) years ago."
Tape 4/Side A
Manager McLemore noted, "I don't have any problem with going back and trying to put
this performance year back on that fiscal year and reviewing that again, and if it needs
some work, that's not a problem."
"I PROPOSE A TWO POINT FIVE PERCENT (2.5%) RAISE FOR THIS
PERIOD." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS.
MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
"I WOULD PROPOSE A FOUR PERCENT (4%) ON HIS TAXABLE INCOME
FOR THE YEAR 2006-2007." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER.
SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE. DISCUSSION FOLLOWED ON
TAXABLE INCOME.
MANAGER McLEMORE NOTED, "IT'S NOT ON TOTAL COMPENSATION.
IT'S ON THAT INCOME THAT'S TAXED -YOU DID THAT LAST TIME,
WHICH IS THE BASE SALARY."
COMMISSIONER MILLER ADDED, "SO, LEAVE IT FOUR PERCENT (4%)
ON HIS TAXABLE INCOME." WITH FURTHER COMMENTS,
COMMISSIONER MILLER CLARIFIED THE MOTION AND STATED, "SO, IT
WOULD BE BASE SALARY PLUS HIS AUTO ALLOWANCE."
COMMISSIONER MILLER ADDED, "BASE SALARY PLUS HIS CAR
ALLOWANCE."
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: NAY
COMMISSIONER KREBS: NAY
MOTION CARRIED.
In other City business, Mayor Bush commented that he had spoken with representatives
of Seminole County and stated, "The Scottish Highland Games people have not filled out
their application for Tourist Development money and this is a continuing problem they
have and they can't get the money unless they fill the application out. I would like the
Commission to consider asking -through the Manager, through Chuck (Pula) that we
assist the Scottish Highland Games people, complete the paperwork to get it in on time
and also do the follow-up on the reporting because they have had problems with the
reporting after the event." Mayor Bush then asked, "Is this something that the
Commission would want to get our City involved in helping them do this?" Discussion.
"I WILL MAKE THAT A MOTION." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. DISCUSSION.
MAYOR BUSH NOTED THAT THE MOTION WAS "THE CITY WILL ASSESS
THE SCOTTISH HIGHLAND GAMES COMMITTEE IN GETTING THEIR
PAPERWORK IN FOR THEIR TOURIST DEVELOPMENT MONEY AND
ALSO TO ASSIST THEM IN COMPLETING THE REPORTS AT THE END OF
THE EVENT. "
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: NAY
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Discussion followed on the City's Newsletter and having the City Commission review it
prior to it being printed. Manager McLemore suggested, "If I could send it out to you
and you call me right back as soon as you had a chance to read it -let's say I give you a
day or so..." Commissioner Krebs noted, "...That's fine..." Manager McLemore
continued, "...And if anything really bothers you, call me back, and that's the best we
can do." Commissioner McGinnis remarked, "I do not approve of any kind of editing
from the Commission."
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Commissioner Brown said, "Let's make sure it's readable. I think we all got the message
that the content needs to be relevant, and we need to be out of the editorial business as
much as possible, but it has got to be understandable, otherwise we are wasting time
sending it out. And there are a lot of questions out there that we have to be very specific
at the proper level."
Mayor Bush noted, "What if, you know we're up against a deadline here, and I think
what Commissioner Brown is suggesting - as well, Commissioner Krebs has a good idea
- we almost need an editorial review board in a way, but they have to be put together in
advance. You can't do it this time, just can't do it." Mayor Bush suggested that City
Clerk Lorenzo-Luaces send out an electronic document.
Manager McLemore noted, "What if, we can get it completed tomorrow. I send it to you
the next day, and give you one (1) day just to comment on it." Commissioner Krebs
remarked, "But comments don't mean you have to change it. I don't intend on
commenting on it. It is more for content, unless somebody is really coming out and
saying something - a message that I never knew of or approved, that's all. My intent is
not to micro-manage."
With further discussion, Manager McLemore said, "Well, again, I'll try to get you the
copy and give you one (1) day to respond." Commissioner Miller recommended, "When
it goes to the printer, we should have the final document."
Mayor Bush added, "I think for future ones, I still like the idea -the Editorial Review
Board." Mayor Bush added, "Let us think about that and let the Manager come back with
some kind of recommendation for the future."
Lastly, Manager McLemore remarked, "Commissioner Brown had asked for us to come
back with this explanation of the tax issue and this is going to be in there -why are my
taxes going up?" Mr. Smith reviewed tax information that was distributed to the City
Commission.
Mr. Smith addressed the City Commission.
Commissioner Miller commented, "I definitely think that Fire Assessment reserve line -
either needs to say `Paid out of City reserves' or there needs to be an asterisk which says
- `This is a portion of your taxes that you did not have to pay in 2008 because it was
provided out of the City's reserves." Commissioner Krebs said, "That is a good point."
Furthermore, Commissioner Miller stated, "Well, they didn't pay it Ron (McLemore). I
made this comment a couple of months ago, that they actually got a tax break..."
Commissioner Krebs said, "...They need to know that, yes." Commissioner Miller
continued. "...In 2008. They didn't have to pay -like me. I didn't have to pay a hundred
and forty-five dollars ($145.00) this year because the City took it out of reserves and gave
it to me as a gift -one (1) time."
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Mr. Smith noted, "A lot of people think, that when it says `Fire', that means `Fire Fee'
right there, so, we've been getting a lot of calls about that." Mayor Bush, "That `Fire'
should be MSTU (Municipal Service Taxing Unit)."
Deputy Mayor Gilmore commented, "I believe that you must explain that to the people."
Mayor Bush remarked, "You are not going to be able to do it on a piece of paper."
Mayor Bush added, "I think some of the terminology could be, like Commissioner Miller
is suggesting and so forth."
With further comments, Commissioner Krebs noted, "You have Fire Assessment levied,
in fact, Fire Assessment levied, was for me, two hundred and thirty-two dollars
($232.00). But, out of that, the City's one (1) time gift was fifty percent (50%) -and my
contribution was fifty percent (50%). Those two (2) lines, I mean if you really want to
look at it, those two (2) lines, the Fire Assessment levied, if you are going to use that
term..." Mr. Smith remarked, "...Maybe I should have said `Charged'." Commissioner
Krebs suggested, "Maybe you should amend that and put `Total levied' and put the
amount. I don't know if you can do that and explain it well."
Further discussion.
Commissioner Miller commented, "You know another thing that might be interesting to
do would be to put a percentage on the end of this column right here, because that is
another thing - I think people call us, and they are really in an adversarial mood; and if
you put that last column down there in a percentage, you can say, `Did you look how
much you are paying the School District; look how much you are paying to the
County' ?"
Furthermore, Commissioner Miller stated, "I think if you put the percentages, Kevin
(Smith), that would really help; because in the end, you could put a comment on the
bottom of this that says `Mayor Bush', if you want to put his name down there, `Twenty-
five percent (25%) of his tax paid this year is coming to the City; the rest is going to the
County, the School District'. Well, in any case, then put Citizen `x' (which is random),
only `Twenty-five percent (25%) of his taxes is paid to the City. The rest is being paid to
the School Board, to the County, and to other organizations'. It kind of puts it in
context." Mayor Bush, "It might be something to put in the Newsletter -what your City
taxes are, what percent."
Deputy Mayor Gilmore then asked Manager McLemore about the columns at Glen Eagle.
Manager McLemore recommended, "That's the Homeowner's Association at work."
Mayor Bush added, "Give them the name of the Homeowner's Association."
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ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Bush adjourned the Regular Meeting at 8:53 p.m.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED:
LaDONNA SLAYTER, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY CLERK AND
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A LORENZO-LUACES, CMC
CITY CLERK
APPROVED:
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NOTE: These Minutes were approved at the September 8, 2008 Regular City Commission Meeting.