HomeMy WebLinkAbout2008 07 28 Consent 211 Approval of the July 21, 2008 City Commission Workshop MinutesCITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA
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WORKSHOP
JULY 21, 2008
CALL TO ORDER
The Workshop of Monday, July 21, 2008 of the City Commission was called to Order by
Commissioner Robert S. Miller at 6:30 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the
Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida
32708).
Roll Call:
Mayor John F. Bush, absent
Deputy Mayor Donald A. Gilmore, absent
Commissioner Robert S. Miller, present
Commissioner Rick Brown, present
Commissioner Sally McGinnis, present
Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs, present
City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, arrived at 6:36 p.m.
Mr. Kip Lockcuff, P.E., Director, Public Works/Utility Department, present
City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, arrived at 6:32 p.m.
City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese arrived at 6.'32 p. m.
REGULAR AGENDA
REGULAR
600. Community Development Department
Providing The City Commission With An Up-Date And Supplement To Previously
Provided (04/14/08) Information Regarding Green Buildings And LEED
(Leadership In Energy And Environmental Design) Certification, For
Consideration At The LEED (Leadership In Energy And Environmental
Design)/Green Workshop.
Mr. Randy Stevenson, ASLA, AICP, Director, Community Development Department
introduced this Agenda Item and showed some photographs of magazine covers.
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City Manager Ronald W. McLemore arrived at 6: 36 p. m.
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Mr. Lockcuff left the dais.
Mr. John Baker, AICP, Senior Planner, Community Development Department spoke of a
document he had provided to the City Commission.
A Video from ICC (International Code Council) was shown which showcased LEED®
(Leadership In Energy And Environmental Design) concepts endorsed in the following
cities: Rohnert Park, California; Chicago, Illinois; Scottsdale, Arizona; Seattle, ~
Washington; and Aspen, Colorado. ~..~
Environmental Initiative, University of Central ~
Ms. Alaina Bernard, Assistant Director,
Florida, 4000 Central Florida Boulevard, Trailer 525, Orlando, Florida: addressed the ~
City Commission on sustainability and incorporating LEED® (Leadership In Energy And
Environmental Design).
Mr. David Norvell, Director, Energy and Sustainabiliry Management, University Of
Central Florida, 4000 Central Florida Boulevard, 16A, Orlando, Florida: also
addressed the City Commission on aspects of their LEED® (Leadership In Energy And
Environmental Design) program at the University of Central Florida.
While presenting their PowerPoint presentation, Ms. Bernard addressed the triple
business model they have incorporated into their LEED® (Leadership In Energy And
Environmental Design) program: Environment, Economy, and Community.
Further discussion.
Tape 1/Side B
Discussion continued.
Commissioner Rick Brown asked, "Do you have actual charts and metrics that show a
Developer -what their long term savings are going to be if they implement this?" Mr.
Norvell stated, "Our customer is the administration of the University (of Central Florida)
- I do produce that kind of documentation all the time and I am happy to show that to
you."
Discussion continued on Tax Incentives; criteria and greenspace.
Commissioner Miller inquired, "Our retention ponds have to be maintained in the current
format that they are in?" Mr. Brian Fields, P.E., City Engineer, Public Works
Department commented, "We're actually retrofitting a lot of our existing ponds with this
exact type of landscaping and the Comp[rehensive] Plan requires it on all new ponds."
Commissioner Miller stated, "I am impressed..." Mr. Fields added, "...We're already
doing it."
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Ms. Bernard noted, "When you start exploring this, you're going to find you're doing a
lot of it already. You're just going to have to make very small tweaks to get the rest of it
and get the certification."
Mr. Mike Mingea, City Arborist, Community Development Department said to the City
Commission, "If you' 11 see me and at your convenience, I will take you on a tour of what
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we are currently doing in conjunction with Arbor and Stormwater." _
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Discussion ensued. ®'°~
Continuing with their presentation, Ms. Bernard commented on "Green power" and noted ~
that, "You can also encourage our local energy companies to use `Green power'. That is ~
actually healthy `Green power'." Mr. Norvell added that, "Florida Power & Light is
doing a lot" and that Progress Energy should do the same. ""`
Further discussion.
Continuing, Ms. Bernard suggested, "I highly encourage you to partner with other
municipalities. Orange County and the City of Orlando have really good strategies that
they have developed."
Ms. Bernard then noted, "Communication strategies - if you are going to do this, you
might as well publicize how great you are, and that is internally and externally."
Bike lanes and ride share programs was mentioned next by Ms. Bernard who stated,
"We've been talking a lot with Lynx on how we can better their program. I encourage
you to have the same conversation and continue to support some of the existing
infrastructure that's already there."
An upcoming Workshop that the University of Central Florida was hosting related to the
LEED® (Leadership In Energy And Environmental Design) concept was addressed next.
Further discussion.
Mr. Robert H. Burke, Jr., NCARB, AIA, CEO, Architect, Burke, Hogue & Mills
Associates, Inc., 100 Colonial Center Parkway, Suite 1 S0, Lake Mary, Florida: spoke on
how they have incorporated LEED® (Leadership In Energy And Environmental Design)
into their new office building they are designing in Lake Mary, Florida.
Tape 2/Side A
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Much discussion followed on the plans for this building and working towards LEED®
(Leadership In Energy And Environmental Design) certification; and Mr. Burke
distributed a pamphlet to the City Commission on their new "sustainable office building".
Further discussion.
With further comments, Manager McLemore asked, "Where is the most efficient use of
our resources as a City in trying to make this happen with designers and owners and
lenders?"
Mr. Burke stated, "Because as was stated by the representatives of UCF (University of
Central Florida) and what I've said in time and time again in presentations is that -we've
always been designing for the most part, this is a generalization. We have been designing
buildings the right way. We have the tools to do that. We have the resources to be able
to know what it is that we can use in order to accomplish a goal. But we've not had up
until recently - a system of recognizing that effort. So, I think one of the things that you
can do is to require that documentation of what we're supposed to be doing as Architects
anyway. I don't totally agree with the zero to three percent (0 - 3%) extra cost. That is
not real."
Continuing, Mr. Burke remarked, "In the business world, it's maybe five to ten percent (5
- 10%), although what we hear is three to five percent (3 - 5%)."
With further discussion, Mr. Burke added, "Every Architect, I would imagine except
maybe the seven percent (7%) that said that they're not doing it and they don't see doing
it, is designing something into a project that is an initiative that fits into the Criteria that
we heard tonight. And, if you require that as a start..."
Furthermore, Mr. Burke suggested, "Document the process; document the initiatives and
give credit - make a big deal out of a project that can say we have got twelve (12)
initiatives that we are meeting on this project, and I would bet that six (6) or eight (8) of
them, they were willing to do anyway." Then, Mr. Burke stated, "You can probably go
to most of your municipal buildings and find initiatives because they're well-designed
buildings."
Additionally, Mr. Burke added, "And you can take it one step further, and say that some
of the initiatives have to be about the site, and I would recommend that; and some of the
initiatives have to be about the basic building -it's the start; it's taking that first couple
of steps that are really, really important because that says to your constituency, you're
doing what you're being told is the right thing." With further discussion, Mr. Burke
recommended, "Look for things that you can pat yourself on the back about -that you're
doing -within your buildings."
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Manager McLemore asked, "Is it too draconian to believe that a lot of this will not
happen unless it is Codified as a requirement?" Mr. Burke remarked, "You have to have
that as a requirement."
Tape 2/Side B
Discussion continued.
Commissioner Brown suggested another Workshop and recommended "Another
Workshop, but do it with users. We know who our resident developers are, we know
who is building the big projects. We know who is looking at building projects in the City
of Winter Springs and in the surrounding areas and our neighboring municipalities.
And in building off what was said here tonight, why don't we bring them and look at
what they are already doing and start promoting that. I don't know if we need to Codify
it right now, but we can start promoting that these are the things that Winter Springs is
looking for, based on what is already being done in their designs and in the Design Code.
And, perhaps start approaching it that way, and the more we advertise and help them
promote what they are doing that is green and heading down the road to LEED®
(Leadership In Energy And Environmental Design) certification."
Additionally, Mr. Burke explained, "I would not recommend to anybody getting involved
in this program to go for any of the precious metals, what I call that - to just go for basic
certification. It's still a process. You still get a certificate. You still get something that
you can be proud of. And the step before that is what I was talking about -just
documenting the initiatives."
With further discussion, Commissioner Sally McGinnis explained, "It seems to me that a
first place to start is simply, make a commitment that this is important to us."
Additionally, Commissioner McGinnis noted, "The expectations are changing. But, I
would also like for us to start recognizing those little things that are already being done
and give credit for them and encourage people throughout the City to do that."
Discussion.
Mr. Burke pointed out that, "Maybe the goal ought to be that the City become a `Noted
Sustainable' city." Manager McLemore stated, "It is a goal and we've been leaders in the
Land Use side and Development side." Mr. Burke suggested, "Now we need to change
that into the design..." Manager McLemore replied, "...Into the design of the buildings.
Yes, that's the next transition."
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Further discussion.
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Commissioner Miller opened "Public Input".
Mr. Austin Watkins, Planner, Planning Division, Seminole County, 1101 East First
Street, Sanford, Florida: spoke briefly to the City Commission on redevelopment in the
area; improving the US Highway 17-92 corridor; urban development; value; and LEED®
(Leadership In Energy And Environmental Design).
Mr. Watkins added, "I definitely hope to see Winter Springs work with Seminole County
in terms of coming up with some hopefully cooperative programs to really encourage
`Green' building and LEED® (Leadership In Energy And Environmental Design)
certification within this area."
Commissioner Miller asked, "Where did you get your numbers on the increased rental
value in LEED® (Leadership In Energy And Environmental Design) buildings?" Mr.
Watkins noted, "It's twenty-four (24) cents per square foot and that is according to the
Wall Street Journal and the company who supplied that information was Costar (Group,
Inc.)."
Continuing, Commissioner Miller said to Mr. Watkins, "I would appreciate if you could
provide us with a copy of that." Commissioner Miller added, "Of the increased rental
value?" Mr. Watkins replied, "I'll share it with your Planning Staff." Commissioner
Miller then said, "If you would please."
Discussion.
Commissioner McGinnis also said to Mr. Watkins, "Will you keep our City informed on
what the County is doing?" Mr. Watkins replied, "I definitely will." Commissioner
Joanne M. Krebs noted, "I would like you to share with us when you do offer your
recommendations, to share that with us as well." Mr. Watkins stated, "Most definitely."
Mr. Greg Sahlstrom, 531 Crimson Lane, Winter Springs, Florida: commented on water
standards and water closets.
Ms. Eloise Sahlstrom, ASLA, AICP, Senior Planner, Community Development
Department: spoke briefly about changes to the Comprehensive Plan and the Building
Code.
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Commissioner Miller closed "Public Input".
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Commissioner Miller suggested, "We need to reach some kind of a Consensus or we
should probably try to. I think what I would like to suggest is that the City Manager
come back at some point in the future with some kind of an analysis of how we could
start to phase this in, maybe just going for the lowest level in the beginning and the
impact that - we would require in terms of training..." Commissioner McGinnis added,
"...Based on the new law..." Commissioner Miller continued, "...Incorporating whatever
legislation is coming along also and then work towards every building in the community
being a platinum building ten (10), fifteen (15) years from now. That's something worth
striving for."
Commissioner Brown stated, "I think we should start by meeting with our local ~
developers and designers." Commissioner Miller remarked, "We could have another
Workshop and do that too." Commissioner McGinnis noted, "I think the place to start is ~"
for Staff - we need to know what the new laws are."
With further discussion, Commissioner Miller replied, "So, maybe the next thing to do
would be to have another Workshop where you bring in Builders and we would review
with them..." Commissioner McGinnis added, "...What the law is." Commission Miller
noted, "...The `Green' concept and ask them what their opinions would be on these
implications."
Commissioner McGinnis continued, "I think first we need to know what the new
mandates are from Tallahassee and then the Developers -you are assuming that every
Developer is going to know that and they may not."
With further discussion, Commissioner Miller pointed out that "Ron (McLemore) could
probably come back with some kind of a plan, maybe the first phase of which would be
for us to have a Workshop to hear out what the community's concerns are..."
Commissioner Krebs remarked, "...I agree with the plan..." Commissioner Miller
continued, "...Implementing this too quickly or too slowly."
Manager McLemore replied, "We can use our Public Policy model -that you think is
realistic and then we adopt it, and then we do it." Commissioner Miller asked, "Is that
agreeable to everybody?" To clarify, Manager McLemore reiterated, "We could do what
you're talking about -we'd lay out our Policy model... Commissioner Krebs added,
"...That is what I agreed to..." Manager McLemore continued, "...And then you adopt
it..." Commissioner McGinnis noted, "...Good...." Commissioner Krebs added, "... Or
change it or whatever. Yes..." Manager McLemore continued, "...Or change it or
amend it and then we do it. We execute it." Commissioner McGinnis stated, "Good."
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Commissioner Miller asked, "Do we have a Consensus on that?" Commissioner Brown
and Commissioner Brown nodded in acceptance. No objections were noted.
With further comments, Mr. Stevenson remarked, "I think it is going to get fairly specific
in certain areas, but we need time to actually take a look at them." Manager McLemore
replied, "Sure."
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Discussion. ~
Commissioner Krebs asked, "Have we changed out our light bulbs?" Manager ~
McLemore replied, "No, we have not changed them." With further comments, Manager
McLemore stated, "There is some work we can do there." ~
ADJOURNMENT
Commissioner Miller adjourned the Workshop at 9:23 p.m.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED:
JOAN L. BROWN, DEP UTY CITY CLERK AND
ANDREA LORENZO-LUACES, CMC
CITY CLERK
APPROVED:
JOHN F. BUSH
MAYOR
NOTE: These Minutes were approved at the , 2008 Regular City Commission Meeting.
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CALL TO ORDER
The Workshop of Monday, July 21, 2008 of the City Commission was called to Order by
Commissioner Robert S. Miller at 6:30 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the
Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida
32708).
Roll Call:
Mayor John F. Bush, absent
Deputy Mayor Donald A. Gilmore, absent
Commissioner Robert S. Miller, present
Commissioner Rick Brown, present
Commissioner Sally McGinnis, present
Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs, present
City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, arrived at 6:36 p.m.
Mr. Kip Lockcuff, P.E., Director, Public Works/Utility Department, present
City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, arrived at 6:32 p.m.
City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese arrived at 6:32 p. m.
REGULAR AGENDA
REGULAR
600. Community Development Department
Providing The City Commission With An Up-Date And Supplement To Previously
Provided (04/14/08) Information Regarding Green Buildings And LEED
(Leadership In Energy And Environmental Design) Certification, For
Consideration At The LEED (Leadership In Energy And Environmental
Design)/Green Workshop.
Mr. Randy Stevenson, ASLA, AICP, Director, Community Development Department
introduced this Agenda Item and showed some photographs of magazine covers.
City Manager Ronald W. McLemore arrived at 6: 36 p. m.
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Mr. Lockcuff left the dais.
Mr. John Baker, AICP, Senior Planner, Community Development Department spoke of a
document he had provided to the City Commission.
A Video from ICC (International Code Council) was shown which showcased LEED®
(Leadership In Energy And Environmental Design) concepts endorsed in the following
cities: Rohnert Park, California; Chicago, Illinois; Scottsdale, Arizona; Seattle,
Washington; and Aspen, Colorado.
Ms. Alaina Bernard, Assistant Director, Environmental Initiative, University of Central
Florida, 4000 Central Florida Boulevard, Trailer 525, Orlando, Florida: addressed the
City Commission on sustainability and incorporating LEED® (Leadership In Energy And
Environmental Design).
Mr. David Norvell, Director, Energy and sustainability Management, University Of
Central Florida, 4000 Central Florida Boulevard, 16A, Orlando, Florida: also
addressed the City Commission on aspects of their LEED® (Leadership In Energy And
Environmental Design) program at the University of Central Florida.
While presenting their PowerPoint presentation, Ms. Bernard addressed the triple
business model they have incorporated into their LEED® (Leadership In Energy And
Environmental Design) program: Environment, Economy, and Community.
Further discussion.
Tape 1/Side B
Discussion continued.
Commissioner Rick Brown asked, "Do you have actual charts and metrics that show a
Developer -what their long term savings are going to be if they implement this?" Mr.
Norvell stated, "Our customer is the administration of the University (of Central Florida)
- I do produce that kind of documentation all the time and I am happy to show that to
you."
Discussion continued on Tax Incentives; criteria and greenspace.
Commissioner Miller inquired, "Our retention ponds have to be maintained in the current
format that they are in?" Mr. Brian Fields, P.E., City Engineer, Public Works
Department commented, "We're actually retrofitting a lot of our existing ponds with this
exact type of landscaping and the Comp[rehensive] Plan requires it on all new ponds."
Commissioner Miller stated, "I am impressed..." Mr. Fields added, "...We're already
doing it."
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Ms. Bernard noted, "When you start exploring this, you're going to find you're doing a
lot of it already. You're just going to have to make very small tweaks to get the rest of it
and get the certification."
Mr. Mike Mingea, City Arborist, Community Development Department said to the City
Commission, "If you'll see me and at your convenience, I will take you on a tour of what
we are currently doing in conjunction with Arbor and Stormwater."
Discussion ensued.
Continuing with their presentation, Ms. Bernard commented on "Green power" and noted
that, "You can also encourage our local energy companies to use `Green power'. That is
actually healthy `Green power'." Mr. Norvell added that, "Florida Power & Light is
doing a lot" and that Progress Energy should do the same.
Further discussion.
Continuing, Ms. Bernard suggested, "I highly encourage you to partner with other
municipalities. Orange County and the City of Orlando have really good strategies that
they have developed."
Ms. Bernard then noted, "Communication strategies - if you are going to do this, you
might as well publicize how great you are, and that is internally and externally."
Bike lanes and ride share programs was mentioned next by Ms. Bernard who stated,
"We've been talking a lot with Lynx on how we can better their program. I encourage
you to have the same conversation and continue to support some of the existing
infrastructure that's already there."
An upcoming Workshop that the University of Central Florida was hosting related to the
LEED® (Leadership In Energy And Environmental Design) concept was addressed next.
Further discussion.
Mr. Robert H. Burke, Jr., NCARB, AIA, CEO, Architect, Burke, Hogue & Mills
Associates, Inc., 100 Colonial Center Parkway, Suite 1 S0, Lake Mary, Florida: spoke on
how they have incorporated LEED® (Leadership In Energy And Environmental Design)
into their new office building they are designing in Lake Mary, Florida.
Tape 2/Side A
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Much discussion followed on the plans for this building and working towards LEED®
(Leadership In Energy And Environmental Design) certification; and Mr. Burke
distributed a pamphlet to the City Commission on their new "sustainable office building".
Further discussion.
With further comments, Manager McLemore asked, "Where is the most efficient use of
our resources as a City in trying to make this happen with designers and owners and
lenders?"
Mr. Burke stated, "Because as was stated by the representatives of UCF (University of
Central Florida) and what I've said in time and time again in presentations is that -we've
always been designing for the most part, this is a generalization. We have been designing
buildings the right way. We have the tools to do that. We have the resources to be able
to know what it is that we can use in order to accomplish a goal. But we've not had up
until recently - a system of recognizing that effort. So, I think one of the things that you
can do is to require that documentation of what we're supposed to be doing as Architects
anyway. I don't totally agree with the zero to three percent (0 - 3%) extra cost. That is
not real."
Continuing, Mr. Burke remarked, "In the business world, it's maybe five to ten percent (5
- 10%), although what we hear is three to five percent (3 - 5%)."
With further discussion, Mr. Burke added, "Every Architect, I would imagine except
maybe the seven percent (7%) that said that they're not doing it and they don't see doing
it, is designing something into a project that is an initiative that fits into the Criteria that
we heard tonight. And, if you require that as a start..."
Furthermore, Mr. Burke suggested, "Document the process; document the initiatives and
give credit - make a big deal out of a project that can say we have got twelve (12)
initiatives that we are meeting on this project, and I would bet that six (6) or eight (8) of
them, they were willing to do anyway." Then, Mr. Burke stated, "You can probably go
to most of your municipal buildings and find initiatives because they're well-designed
buildings."
Additionally, Mr. Burke added, "And you can take it one step further, and say that some
of the initiatives have to be about the site, and I would recommend that; and some of the
initiatives have to be about the basic building -it's the start; it's taking that first couple
of steps that are really, really important because that says to your constituency, you're
doing what you're being told is the right thing." With further discussion, Mr. Burke
recommended, "Look for things that you can pat yourself on the back about -that you're
doing -within your buildings."
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Manager McLemore asked, "Is it too draconian to believe that a lot of this will not
happen unless it is Codified as a requirement?" Mr. Burke remarked, "You have to have
that as a requirement."
Tape 2/Side B
Discussion continued.
Commissioner Brown suggested another Workshop and recommended "Another
Workshop, but do it with users. We know who our resident developers are, we know
who is building the big projects. We know who is looking at building projects in the City
of Winter Springs and in the surrounding areas and our neighboring municipalities.
And in building off what was said here tonight, why don't we bring them and look at
what they are already doing and start promoting that. I don't know if we need to Codify
it right now, but we can start promoting that these are the things that Winter Springs is
looking for, based on what is already being done in their designs and in the Design Code.
And, perhaps start approaching it that way, and the more we advertise and help them
promote what they are doing that is green and heading down the road to LEED®
(Leadership In Energy And Environmental Design) certification."
Additionally, Mr. Burke explained, "I would not recommend to anybody getting involved
in this program to go for any of the precious metals, what I call that - to just go for basic
certification. It's still a process. You still get a certificate. You still get something that
you can be proud o£ And the step before that is what I was talking about -just
documenting the initiatives."
With further discussion, Commissioner Sally McGinnis explained, "It seems to me that a
first place to start is simply, make a commitment that this is important to us."
Additionally, Commissioner McGinnis noted, "The expectations are changing. But, I
would also like for us to start recognizing those little things that are already being done
and give credit for them and encourage people throughout the City to do that."
Discussion.
Mr. Burke pointed out that, "Maybe the goal ought to be that the City become a `Noted
Sustainable' city." Manager McLemore stated, "It is a goal and we've been leaders in the
Land Use side and Development side." Mr. Burke suggested, "Now we need to change
that into the design..." Manager McLemore replied, "...Into the design of the buildings.
Yes, that's the next transition."
Further discussion.
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Commissioner Miller opened "Public Input ".
Mr. Austin Watkins, Planner, Planning Division, Seminole County, 1101 East First
Street, Sanford, Florida: spoke briefly to the City Commission on redevelopment in the
area; improving the US Highway 17-92 corridor; urban development; value; and LEED®
(Leadership In Energy And Environmental Design).
Mr. Watkins added, "I definitely hope to see Winter Springs work with Seminole County
in terms of coming up with some hopefully cooperative programs to really encourage
`Green' building and LEED® (Leadership In Energy And Environmental Design)
certification within this area."
Commissioner Miller asked, "Where did you get your numbers on the increased rental
value in LEED® (Leadership In Energy And Environmental Design) buildings?" Mr.
Watkins noted, "It's twenty-four (24) cents per square foot and that is according to the
Wall Street Journal and the company who supplied that information was Costar (Group,
Inc.)."
Continuing, Commissioner Miller said to Mr. Watkins, "I would appreciate if you could
provide us with a copy of that." Commissioner Miller added, "Of the increased rental
value?" Mr. Watkins replied, "I'll share it with your Planning Staff." Commissioner
Miller then said, "If you would please."
Discussion.
Commissioner McGinnis also said to Mr. Watkins, "Will you keep our City informed on
what the County is doing?" Mr. Watkins replied, "I definitely will." Commissioner
Joanne M. Krebs noted, "I would like you to share with us when you do offer your
recommendations, to share that with us as well." Mr. Watkins stated, "Most definitely."
Mr. Greg Sahlstrom, 531 Crimson Lane, Winter Springs, Florida: commented on water
standards and water closets.
Ms. Eloise Sahlstrom, ASLA, AICP, Senior Planner, Community Development
Department.• spoke briefly about changes to the Comprehensive Plan and the Building
Code.
Commissioner Miller closed "Public Input".
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Commissioner Miller suggested, "We need to reach some kind of a Consensus or we
should probably try to. I think what I would like to suggest is that the City Manager
come back at some point in the future with some kind of an analysis of how we could
start to phase this in, maybe just going for the lowest level in the beginning and the
impact that - we would require in terms of training..." Commissioner McGinnis added,
"...Based on the new law..." Commissioner Miller continued, "...Incorporating whatever
legislation is coming along also and then work towards every building in the community
being a platinum building ten (10), fifteen (15) years from now. That's something worth
striving for."
Commissioner Brown stated, "I think we should start by meeting with our local
developers and designers." Commissioner Miller remarked, "We could have another
Workshop and do that too." Commissioner McGinnis noted, "I think the place to start is
for Staff - we need to know what the new laws are."
With further discussion, Commissioner Miller replied, "So, maybe the next thing to do
would be to have another Workshop where you bring in Builders and we would review
with them..." Commissioner McGinnis added, "...What the law is." Commission Miller
noted, "...The `Green' concept and ask them what their opinions would be on these
implications."
Commissioner McGinnis continued, "I think first we need to know what the new
mandates are from Tallahassee and then the Developers -you are assuming that every
Developer is going to know that and they may not."
With further discussion, Commissioner Miller pointed out that "Ron (McLemore) could
probably come back with some kind of a plan, maybe the first phase of which would be
for us to have a Workshop to hear out what the community's concerns are..."
Commissioner Krebs remarked, "...I agree with the plan..." Commissioner Miller
continued, "...Implementing this too quickly or too slowly."
Manager McLemore replied, "We can use our Public Policy model -that you think is
realistic and then we adopt it, and then we do it." Commissioner Miller asked, "Is that
agreeable to everybody?" To clarify, Manager McLemore reiterated, "We could do what
you're talking about -we'd lay out our Policy model... Commissioner Krebs added,
"...That is what I agreed to..." Manager McLemore continued, "...And then you adopt
it..." Commissioner McGinnis noted, "...Good...." Commissioner Krebs added, "...Or
change it or whatever. Yes..." Manager McLemore continued, "...Or change it or
amend it and then we do it. We execute it." Commissioner McGinnis stated, "Good."
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Commissioner Miller asked, "Do we have a Consensus on that?" Commissioner Brown
and Commissioner Brown nodded in acceptance. No objections were noted.
With further comments, Mr. Stevenson remarked, "I think it is going to get fairly specific
in certain areas, but we need time to actually take a look at them." Manager McLemore
replied, "Sure."
Discussion.
Commissioner Krebs asked, "Have we changed out our light bulbs?" Manager
McLemore replied, "No, we have not changed them." With further comments, Manager
McLemore stated, "There is some work we can do there."
ADJOURNMENT
Commissioner Miller adjourned the Workshop at 9:23 p.m.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED:
JOAN L. BROWN, DEP UTY CITY CLERK AND
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A LORENZO-LUACES, CMC
CITX~CLERK
APPROVED:
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NOTE: These Minutes were approved at the July 28, 2008 Regular City Commission Meeting.