HomeMy WebLinkAbout_2009 06 08 City Commission Regular MinutesCITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA
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CALL TO ORDER
The Regular Meeting of Monday, June 8, 2009 of the City Commission was called to
Order by Mayor John F. Bush at 5:15 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the
Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida
32708).
Roll Call:
Mayor John F. Bush, present
Deputy Mayor Joanne M. Krebs, present
Commissioner Jean Hovey, present
Commissioner Rick Brown, present
Commissioner Gary Bonner, present
Commissioner Sally McGinnis, present
City Manager Kevin L. Smith, present
City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, present
The Pledge of Allegiance followed a moment of silence.
INFORMATIONAL AGENDA
INFORMATIONAL
100. Community Development Department
Advising The City Commission Of The Status Of Various Current Planning
Projects.
No discussion.
INFORMATIONAL
101. Parks And Recreation Department
Wishes To Inform The City Commission Regarding The July 4th Celebration Of
Freedom/50th Anniversary.
There was no discussion on this Agenda Item.
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"MOTION TO APPROVE" [INFORMATIONAL AGENDA]. MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER BROWN. SECONDED. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BONNER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER HOVEY: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
CONSENT AGENDA
CONSENT
200. Public Works Department
Requesting Authorization To Execute Supplemental Amendment #1 To The Joint
Participation Agreement With The Florida Department Of Transportation (FDOT)
To Install A Turn Lane On State Road 419 At Sherrv Avenue.
There was no discussion on this Agenda Item.
CONSENT
201. Public Works Department
Requesting Authorization To Execute Amendment #1 To The Contractual
Agreement With Pegasus Engineering For Professional Engineering Services For
Roadway Improvements On S.R. (State Road) 419 And Wade Street.
No discussion.
CONSENT
202. Information Services Department
Requests Authorization To Dispose Of Surplus Assets According To The Attached
Disposition Sheets.
This Agenda Item was not discussed.
CONSENT
203. Office Of The City Clerk
Requesting Approval Of The May 18, 2009 City Commission Special Meeting
Minutes.
There was no discussion on this Agenda Item.
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CONSENT
204. Office Of The City Clerk
Requesting Approval Of The May 26,
Minutes.
2009 City Commission Special Meeting
No discussion.
CONSENT
205. Office Of The City Clerk
Requesting Approval Of The May 27, 2009 City Commission Workshop Minutes.
This Agenda Item was not discussed.
"MOTION TO APPROVE" [CONSENT AGENDA].
COMMISSIONER BROWN. SECONDED. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
DEPUTY MAYOR KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER HOVEY: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BONNER: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
300. Not Used.
MOTION BY
Although not listed on the Agenda, Mayor Bush presented Resolution 2009-30 to former
Code Enforcement Board Member Mathew Matisak for his contributions to the Code
Enforcement Board.
REPORTS
REPORTS
400. Office Of The City Attorney - Anthony A. Garganese, Esquire
City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese spoke of working on a unified statement related to
the proposed Town Parke Apartments project.
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Next, Attorney Garganese spoke about Jesup's Reserve and stated, "Relative to the
Maintenance Bond dispute, we received notice from the Attorney resenting the
Maintenance Bond Surety Company that they would like to mediate the Maintenance
Bond claims, so we're in the process of scheduling a Mediation and informal Mediation
with the Maintenance Bond Surety Company; so, I will keep you apprised of the status of
that."
Continuing, Attorney Garganese commented, "Anderson's v. Winter Springs, as you
know the City Commission gave me direction regarding the retaining of an Expert. I just
wanted to let you know that that Expert has opined regarding the status of that building. I
will provide you a copy of the Expert's Report."
Further brief comments about Jesup's Reserve were made.
Lastly, Attorney Garganese mentioned a recent Attorney General Opinion related to
Facebook and noted that he had provided the City Commission with this and some related
information.
REPORTS
401. Office Of The City Manager - Kevin L. Smith
City Manager Kevin L. Smith informed the City Commission that he was working on
finalizing the City's Summer Newsletter and noted, "If it's agreeable to the Commission I
will be sending you a draft of that document, probably tomorrow afternoon. If you have
any comments, please send them back to me. I'd appreciate you doing that - next day or
so."
REPORTS
402. Office Of The City Clerk - Andrea Lorenzo-Luaces, MMC
No Report.
REPORTS
403. Commission Seat Five/Deputy Mayor - Joanne M. Krebs
Deputy Mayor Joanne M. Krebs asked when the City Commission would be getting the
statement about the proposed Town Parke Apartments project? Attorney Garganese said,
"We can get it out tomorrow."
Next, Deputy Mayor Krebs commented on the Banner in the lobby and stated, "It looks
really nice."
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REPORTS
404. Office Of The Mayor - John F. Bush
Mayor Bush mentioned some information he had received from Seminole County
Property Appraiser David Johnson. Brief discussion.
Secondly, Mayor Bush commented on Commuter Rail.
REPORTS
405. Commission Seat One - Jean
Commissioner Jean Hovey asked Mr. Brian Fields, P.E., City Engineer, Public Works
Department about a barricade and bump on Shore Road.
Mr. Fields stated, "We will address it." Commissioner Hovey added, "Within thirty (30)
days?" Mr. Fields responded, "Hopefully sooner."
REPORTS
406. Commission Seat Two - Rick Brown
Commissioner Rick Brown spoke briefly about his schedule for next week.
REPORTS
407. Commission Seat Three - Gary Bonner
Commissioner Gary Bonner commented on his schedule; and all the input he has
received lately.
Next, Commissioner Bonner asked that if someone was to attend this week's Senior
Luncheon, that they could mention to the Senior Center Board about the upcoming
addition of handicapped parking.
REPORTS
408. Commission Seat Four - Sally McGinnis
Commissioner Sally McGinnis mentioned tomorrow night's Business Visioning
Workshop and suggested that Mayor Bush asked the attendees if they would be interested
in donating or sponsorship opportunities for the City's 4 h of July celebration.
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? ? AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL "REPORTS"
WERE DISCUSSED NEXT, IN THE ORDER DOCUMENTED. ? ?
REPORTS
REPORTS
404. Office Of The Mavor - John F. Bush
Mayor Bush mentioned that on Winter Springs Boulevard, going towards Oviedo, that
there is a lot of heavy equipment sitting there. Discussion.
Next, Mayor Bush commented on the borrow pit area and asked if a sign could be placed
to explain that it is a retention pond and not a Townhome development. Mr. Fields
suggested they could "Have the Contractor post the sign communicating what it is."
REPORTS
403. Commission Seat Five/Deputy Mayor - Joanne M. Krebs
Deputy Mayor Krebs spoke of a trailer that was on State Road 434 near State Road 419.
Ms. Eloise Sahlstrom, AICP, ASLA, Senior Planner, Community Development
Department mentioned it was a landscaping business on one of the County's Enclaves.
Continuing, Deputy Mayor Krebs added, "How are we doing on the Annexing of those
Enclaves?" Discussion.
"I MOVE THAT - WE ENTER INTO AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH
THE STIPULATION THAT WHEN ENCLAVES CHANGE HANDS, WE WILL
BUY THEM, AND THIS WILL BE WITH THE COUNTY." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR KREBS.
DISCUSSION.
ATTORNEY GARGANESE SAID, "THERE ARE PROVISIONS IN STATE LAW
THAT ALLOW THE CITY AND THE COUNTY TO AGREE TO ANNEX
ENCLAVES BY AGREEMENT; IT DOESN'T EVEN REQUIRE THE
PROPERTY OWNER'S CONSENT. AS YOU KNOW, WE APPROACHED THE
COUNTY ON TWO (2) OCCASIONS NOW, REQUESTING TO UTILIZE
THOSE PROVISIONS OF FLORIDA LAW TO TAKE INTO THE CITY
NUMEROUS ENCLAVES THAT EXIST.
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THE COUNTY'S RESPONSE BACK TO THE CITY IS WE WON'T AGREE TO
ALLOW YOU TO TAKE IN THESE ENCLAVES AUTOMATICALLY;
HOWEVER, LIKE THE COUNTY HAS DONE WITH LONGWOOD, THEY
HAVE ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT THAT WHEN THE PROPERTY
CHANGES HANDS, WHEN THERE IS A NEW OWNER, THEN ANNEXATION
WOULD OCCUR, BY AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE
COUNTY."
ATTORNEY GARGANESE THEN SUGGESTED, "I WOULD ADD A CAVEAT
TO THAT, IF THE CITY WAS TO ENTER INTO THIS AGREEMENT WITH
THE COUNTY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING IN THAT
AGREEMENT WOULD PROHIBIT THE CITY FROM PURSUING
ANNEXATION BY ANY OTHER LAWFUL MEANS."
FURTHER DISCUSSION.
"I WOULD AMEND THE MOTION TO INCLUDE WHAT ANTHONY
(GARGANESE) HAD PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED." AMENDMENT TO THE
MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR KREBS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER
BROWN. DISCUSSION.
DEPUTY MAYOR KREBS ADDED, "THE CAVEAT."
VOTE: (ON THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION)
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER HOVEY: AYE
COMMISSIONER BONNER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR KREBS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
DISCUSSION FOLLOWED ON WHICH ENCLAVES ARE SERVICED BY
WINTER SPRINGS AND WHICH ARE NOT.
ATTORNEY GARGANESE STATED, "WHEN YOU ENTER INTO THESE
ANNEXATION AGREEMENTS, ONE OF THE PROVISIONS THAT WE NEED
TO ADDRESS IS UTILITIES. SO, WHEN WE COME BACK TO YOU WITH A
DRAFT AGREEMENT, WE ARE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH KIP
(LOCKCUFF) TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS."
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COMMISSIONER BONNER THEN ASKED, "THE MOTION AS IT STANDS,
WOULD THAT AUTOMATICALLY ENCUMBER THE CITY OR WOULD
THAT GIVE THE CITY THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENTERTAIN SUCH AN
INVESTMENT OR SUCH A DECISION TO ANNEX AT THE TIME?
DOES IT NEED TO BE AMENDED OR IS THE MOTION OKAY TO PROTECT
THE CITIZENS FROM AN UNDUE EXPENSE?"
ATTORNEY GARGANESE EXPLAINED, "I THINK THE MOTION IS FINE
BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT ANALYSIS AND THAT
AGREEMENT IS GOING TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR
`AYE' OR `NAY', AND WE'LL ADDRESS YOUR UTILITY ISSUE CONCERN
OF COURSE IN THE AGREEMENT."
VOTE: (ON THE MOTION, AS AMENDED)
COMMISSIONER HOVEY: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER BONNER: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Discussion.
PUBLIC INPUT
Ms. Kim Sannella, 905 Cypresswood Court, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke of issues at
the Winter Springs Town Center, and Workforce Housing.
Mr. Tom Waters, 1033 Antelope Trail, Winter Springs, Florida: commented that his
grown children, two (2) who will be Teachers will probably be needing Workforce
Housing as residential choices.
Mr. David Thompson, 1226 Stone Harbor Road, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke in favor
of Workforce Housing and a diversified community.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS AGENDA
PUBLIC HEARINGS
500. Community Development Department
Requests The City Commission Hold A Public Hearing To Review And Make A
Determination Regarding The Altomare Estates Variance Request From (1) Section
9-10. (Average Lot Size Within 1,000 Feet) And (2) Section 9-152. (Maximum Cul-
De-Sac Length) Of The City Code, Pursuant To Section 9-5. Of The City Code. The
Request Is In Conjunction With Subdivision Plans For The 17.28 Acre Site Located
Between Seville Chase And Dunmar.
Mr. John Baker, AICP, Senior Planner, Community Development Department introduced
this Agenda Item and showed related maps.
Deputy Mayor Krebs noted, "I received a letter and it talks about I believe an access, an
emergency exit required to Dunmar Estates? Okay? Isn't Dunmar [Estates] privately
owned?"
Mr. Fields explained, "We met with the Applicant, and they need a secondary means of
emergency access, not public access, and - what was acceptable to the Fire Marshal was,
you've got basically two (2) entrance roads here that are separate; the emergency access
secondary would be through here - so this is the primary access."
Deputy Mayor Krebs asked, "What does `Here' mean? Who does it belong to?"
Mr. Fields responded, "On Dunmar Circle, the Fire Department, as they understand it,
has legal access to that road in the event of an emergency, they could use that front part
of Dunmar Circle to access this proposed subdivision. That's [Seminole County Fire
Marshal] Bob Beck's determination."
Furthermore, Mr. Fields remarked, "That is an item that needs to be detailed out in Final
Engineering, so it is something that would have to be confirmed that there is legal
secondary access. That is a requirement of the project, that was what was agreed to; does
need to be finalized."
Deputy Mayor Krebs said to Attorney Garganese, "That is a private road, isn't it? I
mean, how is that possible? You have people in Dunmar [Estates] paying for that, and
then someone else can just come in and use it?"
Attorney Garganese answered, "I haven't looked at this issue, Commissioner. Seems like
it's a significant issue that would probably warrant being worked out before you consider
granting a Variance on the maximum cul-de-sac length." Deputy Mayor Krebs noted,
"Yes, that is where I'm going."
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Continuing, Attorney Garganese said, "Because I have read the same letter that you've
forwarded to everybody and I had it underlined as an issue to bring up tonight, a
legitimate issue."
Commissioner McGinnis stated, "One other item that was mentioned in that letter was
worries about water run-off. Could you address that?"
Dr. John Altomare, 3710 Aloma Avenue, Winter Park, Florida: remarked, "As far as the
fire access, I think the only determination you need to make is who owns that very first
section of road; all the other property is not Dunmar Estates, it's owned by Dr. Moseley,
or Dr. Moseley and myself. It's a very small section, I mean it's maybe fifty feet (50')
long.
I think the Fire Marshal's determination was that emergency vehicles have access to all
the roadways in Winter Springs, and that, that's why it was acceptable to him, because
once they're off there, they're on either my property or Dr. Moseley's. We can address it
further, but his determination was that emergency vehicles have that ability to access that;
they have access to Dunmar's [Estates] roads to service their houses; so, his assumption
was that they would have access to pull onto that road and then turn off of it."
Attorney Garganese said, "I can appreciate that comment, but I think that's something we
really need to look at very carefully - having litigated for two (2) years, whether or not
the City could put in a water pipe on that road. I think we need to take a very careful
look at that."
Commissioner McGinnis continued, "The issue was raised about water run-off. There
were concerns surrounding properties. Is that something you can address Brian
(Fields)?"
Mr. Fields said, "That would also be addressed in Final Engineering. The Engineer for
the Developer is here, could briefly explain how that would work. It hasn't been detailed
yet, though."
Mr. Sam Sebaali, Engineer of Record, Florida Engineering Group, 5127 South Orange
Avenue, Suite 200, Orlando: stated, "As it relates to the stormwater, we have a couple of
issues on this site. Part of the site is in a flood plain, and any work we're doing to impact
the flood plain is being mitigated; so, we already have looked at these issues. The other
aspect of this is any development we do, we have to treat our stormwater and we have to
attenuate it to make sure it does not increase the existing levels; and, we have also looked
at that.
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As a matter of fact, a portion of the site currently drains to the east, or Dunmar Estates;
and as part of our design we are collecting that water and directing it into our drainage
system; so, we expect to have a little bit better condition after development, in terms of
the existing drainage conditions, where we are capturing what goes off-site, bringing it
into a controlled situation, and then discharging that stormwater run-off into the wetlands
system, where it goes eventually; so, we are dealing with that.
As it relates to the roadway, if I can address it a little bit. We are talking about
specifically an emergency access. The Code has one requirement, which says, you
cannot have a cul-de-sac more than 800 feet. This site has a peculiar condition, and that
the property itself is more than 800 feet off of a public roadway. So, there is no way for
this Applicant to meet that condition. Physically, he cannot do that; so, without some
Variance to the Code, he cannot develop the site where there is two (2) lots subdivision,
three (3) lots subdivision; it cannot be developed and meet the subdivision requirements.
The concern which the Fire Marshal has, is they need to have a secondary access in the
event of an emergency, and currently they do access Dunmar Estates through that private
roadway, and the likelihood of the Fire Marshal having to access our subdivision would
be in the event there is an accident at the intersection to the subdivision and they are
called to an emergency inside the subdivision; so, it's going to be on a very rare occasion
where you have those two (2) conditions happening at the same time.
In that event, all they need to do, and they have currently the ability, and I know that's a
legal issue, but they have the ability to access in an emergency on Dunmar Estates, and
all they need to do is be able to make a left on the property which is under the control of
Dr. Moseley, so, that's the situation. I know the City Attorney has to look into that, but
in terms of practical aspects, it's not going to be something which is going to happen
frequently."
Discussion.
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
Mr. Stuart Auerbach, 590 Dunmar Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: explained, "I was at
the Board of Adjustment Meeting, and there were a number of issues that came up which
I'll bring to your attention. The original plat plan as you see it now, this is not the
original plat plan. The original plat plan, if you do have it, showed me waking up and
having two (2) to three (3) new neighbors in my back yard. I addressed this problem with
Dr. Altomare and his Engineer, and that problem was solved. This is the new layout."
Continuing, Mr. Auerbach remarked, "I was picking up - one (1), two (2), possibly three
(3), my next door neighbor was picking up one (1). At that Meeting, the Board stressed
the fact that they said would favor Approval, if there could be some adjustment to the
lots. I'm here to tell you there's an adjustment to the lots. So, [Dr.] Altomare and his
Engineer certainly lived up - to that.
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At the same particular time, it's a unique piece of property that I have. It's a unique piece
of property that Dr. Altomare has. I prefer not to see anything developed, but I'm a
practical businessman. The man's got an investment in there; someone's going to
develop it."
Additionally, Mr. Auerbach remarked, we have four (4) homesteads that back up to the
Altomare property. In the discussion, I wanted, if at all possible, one (1) neighbor behind
me. Now it's happened. Secondly, I was looking for buffers. I think buffers should be
something in between properties. Originally I don't believe that there were any
provisions - for buffers. Thirdly, since I look out over some pristine territories, I had a
concern with telephone poles. When I built my house I made sure that everything - was
underground. I did not want to look out upon telephone poles, nor telephone wires. Dr.
Altomare said no problem; he told his Engineer, `Let's put it underground'.
Water retention, water problems, we've always had water problems simply because the
slope of the land is directly down, coming from Seville Chase onto Dr. Moseley's
property, and we've had road washouts galore. It doesn't really matter, we can do
anything we want, we have it. I believe good engineering can solve that problem."
With further comments, Mr. Auerbach said, "My main problem is any agreement that has
been negotiated with Dr. Altomare and his Engineer, I'd like that to be put on the Record
as part of whatever you do; for the simple reason, I don't know what might happen in the
future. Dr. Altomare may decide he doesn't want to develop it, and he sells it to a
Developer. Then I really have problems.
Mayor Bush pointed out, "All of this will be, it will be part of the Agreement."
Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
Commissioner Bonner mentioned the four (4) items that were referenced, "The one
neighbor, the underground utilities, the water retention management - and the fourth was
a buffer area."
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Continuing, Commissioner Bonner asked, "The utilities will be underground, is that what
I hear? Is that correct?" Mr. Sebaali answered, "Yes, we have met with the neighbors
and there were four (4) items discussed as you mentioned. One of them is the tree buffer;
the other one was underground utilities; the third one was we would work with the City to
provide potable water services to the lots which abut our subdivision; and the fourth one
was to deal with the drainage issues; and Dr. Altomare is in agreement with all four (4)
items.
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The only item which we really need to resolve is the potable water service, since it
includes approvals by the City, and the neighbors understand that if it's not within our
control, we could not do it; but if we can find ways to do it with the City, we will do it."
Commissioner Bonner then asked, "Within the water category, that there are now two (2)
items. One was drainage, and - the new item I am hearing is the delivery of potable
water to neighbors."
Mr. Fields commented, "The stormwater like Sam (Sebaali) says will be engineered and
required to meet our standards; no adverse impact to adjacent property. That can be
worked out as he has described. The second request was to have potable water service to
the abutting properties in Dunmar Estates. What we've looked at and what we can at
least agree to would be or as recommended, Dunmar Estates residents who abut could
have a meter in Altomare Estates along the public route where our meter readers would
go, and a service line extending back to Dunmar Estates; private service line that would
be only maintained by the Dunmar Estates property owners, extending back. It wouldn't
be water service from new mains in Dunmar Estates. We don't want to go there. But,
they would have the opportunity to connect to the new water main being installed as a
part of this project, just those three (3) lots."
Commissioner Bonner said, "We're going to pull City water into this property from
where?" Mr. Fields answered, "It's out here on Fisher Road; so, it's going to be a main
coming in here serving them." Commissioner Bonner continued, "The impact cost of
delivering all that, 1000 plus feet of potable water piping, who's paying for that?"
Mr. Fields explained, "They pay the cost to connect; to install; they pay the Impact Fees
for the connections; and then if the - I'm not sure if it's three (3) or four (4) residences in
Dunmar Estates wanted to connect, they would have to pay connection fees, or they'd
have to work something out with these folks on who's paying."
Commissioner Bonner noted, "So, there's going to be a design in the potable water
delivery plan that if the three (3) residents of Dunmar Estates that have access would like
to connect, they'd be able to do so, at their cost... Mr. Fields said, "...Yes..."
Commissioner Bonner added, "...And then delivery, what effectively will be between
two (2) subdivisions." Mr. Fields commented, "There would have to have an Easement
running between the lots in Altomare Estates to have that service line go to Dunmar
Estates." Commissioner Bonner remarked, "That Easement doesn't exist today?" Mr.
Fields responded by saying, "That's correct. They would have to plat that with their
development."
Commissioner Bonner then inquired, "Would that Easement be structured along the
length of the property line thus creating the buffer that was discussed, or is it only where
the pipe would cross?" Mr. Fields explained, "The Easement would go between on the
side lot line. It really wouldn't be part of a buffer area. A buffer area I think they're
looking for along the back of the lots, that'd be a different type of Easement."
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Next, Commissioner Bonner summarized, "What I hear is no cost to the citizens to
deliver this water; an opportunity for service for - at least three (3) households in Dunmar
[Estates]; so, I want to go back to the fourth item - back to the buffer question. Is there a
buffer solution in the proposal, or has that been addressed?"
Mr. Sebaali answered, "The buffer which was discussed was to have twelve (12) to
fourteen foot (14) high oak trees along the east side of the property. We did not discuss
the spacing, but we could do something like forty feet (40') on center or something which
is reasonable. Dr. Altomare is in agreement with that."
Commissioner Bonner said, "So the proposal is to plant some beautiful oak trees." Mr.
Sebaali responded, "Yes. May I add one more item? Part of the reason we're asking for
the lot Waiver is the fact that we are expanding a pretty lengthy roadway. We have to
provide water and fire service for this subdivision; we have to provide curbs along the
roadway; collect the water; and do a lot of infrastructure improvement, and without that
Waiver to the lot sizes, it really would be very difficult to develop this property and meet
City standards; so, that's the reason why we've asked for the Waiver.
And as it relates to the secondary access; at this point, we're asking for a Waiver from the
length of the cul-de-sac and the lot sizes. The secondary access is a secondary issue
which we could deal with, with the Fire Marshal, and there is a possibility with this being
seven (7) lots, the Fire Marshal may be able to waive it, if we cannot come to an
agreement in terms of being able to access from that roadway; so, we hope you take that
into consideration."
Mr. Bonner asked, "That is, or is not a component of tonight's approval, this secondary
access - I understand it to be a component, I just want to be clear if we are approving this,
we're approving it contingent upon being able to work that out as well."
Mr. Baker answered, "We're just looking at two (2) Variances tonight. The one is the
cul-de-sac length, being contingent upon some sort of emergency access; and then the
other is the Variance to the average lot size. And our thoughts with the lot size is to make
that transition from Seville Chase to the west to the larger lots at Dunmar [Estates], and
we've thought that by doing that, because this is a unique location; when you look at
these big lots, and then the very small lots on either side; we felt that if we can make that
transition then we've done the best we can."
"I WILL GO AHEAD A MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS VARIANCE
WITH THE ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT THE CONCESSIONS
WHICH THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS ALREADY PLACED ON TO PUBLIC
RECORD, WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO A CONTINGENCIES FOR
APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BONNER.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. DISCUSSION
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DEPUTY MAYOR KREBS SAID, "WHILE I SUPPORT THE ONE VARIANCE, I
AM NOT SURE THAT UNTIL THIS - OBVIOUSLY IT'S CLEAR THAT MR.
BECK FEELS THAT AN EMERGENCY ACCESS IS NEEDED - SO,
PERSONALLY I WOULD WANT TO SEE ALL OF THAT CLEARED UP
BEFORE I WOULD VOTE ON THAT; SO, I AM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT
THIS."
COMMISSIONER BROWN SAID, "I WILL CONCUR WITH COMMISSIONER
KREBS."
ATTORNEY GARGANESE SAID, "COMMISSIONER BONNER'S MOTION
THAT'S BEEN SECONDED, WHICH CALLS FOR APPROVAL OF BOTH
WITH THE CONDITION THAT ALL OF THE REPRESENTATIONS BEING
INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION THAT YOU MENTIONED; ONE
OTHER THING, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE - THE VARIANCE
TO THE MAXIMUM CUL-DE-SAC LENGTH REALLY IS CONTINGENT
UPON THEM GETTING THE EMERGENCY ACCESS.
SO, IF YOU WANTED TO PURSUE YOUR MOTION, I WOULD RECOMMEND
- THAT YOU ADD `CONDITIONED UPON THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS
BEING GRANTED'; OTHERWISE - THE VARIANCE FOR THE CUL-DE-SAC
LENGTH SHOULD BE DENIED BASED ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD
TONIGHT.
THE ALTERNATIVE IS WHAT I THINK COMMISSIONER KREBS AND
BROWN ARE INDICATING, IS TO MAYBE WAIT AND SEE IF THAT ACCESS
GETS WORKED OUT FIRST AND THEN BROUGHT BACK TO THE
COMMISSION FOR A FINAL VOTE."
COMMISSIONER BONNER SAID, "SO, WE COULD HAVE AN AMENDMENT
TO THE MOTION THAT WOULD REQUIRE THAT TO OCCUR FIRST IN
ORDER FOR THIS VARIANCE APPROVAL TO TAKE PLACE."
ATTORNEY GARGANESE ADDED, "WITH YOUR MOTION - THE CUL-DE-
SAC VARIANCE NEEDS TO BE CONDITIONED UPON THE EMERGENCY
ACCESS BEING PROVIDED, BASED ON WHAT WAS REPRESENTED TO
YOU. SO, THAT NEEDS TO BE IN YOUR MOTION, OR ALTERNATIVELY,
THIS GETS POSTPONED, UNTIL THAT GETS WORKED OUT."
DISCUSSION.
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER BONNER: NAY
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: NAY
COMMISSIONER HOVEY: ABSTAINED
DEPUTY MAYOR KREBS: NAY
COMMISSIONER BROWN: NAY
MOTION DID NOT CARRY.
"MOTION TO APPROVE BOTH VARIANCE REQUESTS WITH THE CUL-DE-
SAC LENGTH VARIANCE APPROVAL CONTINGENT UPON SUCCESSFUL
RESOLUTION WITH THE OWNERS OF DUNMAR ESTATES FOR A
SECONDARY EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD TO BE PROVIDED FOR
ACCESS BY COUNTY FIRE AND TO INCORPORATE ALL CONCESSIONS
REPRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT TONIGHT." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER BONNER.
MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
Further brief comments.
"I WOULD RATHER POSTPONE THIS UNTIL THERE IS AN AGREEMENT
OR NOT, OR SOME OTHER WAY FOR AN EMERGENCY EXIT - THAT IS
MY MOTION." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR KREBS. SECONDED BY
COMMISSIONER BROWN. DISCUSSION.
RESTATING HER MOTION, DEPUTY MAYOR KREBS STATED, "MY
MOTION IS TO POSTPONE THIS UNTIL AN AGREEMENT CAN BE MADE
REGARDING THE EMERGENCY EXIT - I MADE A MOTION TO POSTPONE
IT."
ATTORNEY GARGANESE NOTED, "YOU CAN CONDITION UPON - THE
EMERGENCY ACCESS ISSUE BEING - WORKED OUT..." DEPUTY MAYOR
KREBS ADDED, "...THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO DO..." ATTORNEY
GARGANESE CONTINUED, "...THEN THAT INFORMATION BEING
BROUGHT TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION."
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER HOVEY: ABSTAINED
COMMISSIONER BONNER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR KREBS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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Mayor Bush said, "John (Altomare), you just need to get with the other John (Baker) and
with the Attorney to work this out. That is what it amounts to."
Dr. Altomare commented, "We have an agreement with the Fire Marshal, we have an
Agreement in place. All we need to determine is whether or not the emergency vehicles
have access to that road." Mayor Bush remarked, "I don't think the Commission has that
Agreement. We don't have it - maybe you have got it, but I don't believe the City has it."
Dr. Altomare said, "We said that we had talked about - we met with the Fire Marshal out
there; he was in agreement. That's why we're presenting the plan."
Attorney Garganese added, "We still need to look at the legal access issue."
Deputy Mayor Krebs explained further, "Just because someone else has an Agreement
with- in this instance the County, or believes they have an Agreement with County,
doesn't mean that we have that agreement, and I think that's probably the conflict with
us.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
501. Community Development Department
Recommends The City Commission Hear A Request For A Conditional Use Within
The City Of Winter Springs PUD (Planned Unit Development) Zoning District
(Residential Rural FLU [Future Land Use] Designation), To Allow An
Approximately 1,600 Square Foot Detached Accessory Structure (Private Garage)
On Approximately 1.7 Acres At 805 Dyson Drive.
Mr. Baker spoke first on this Agenda Item.
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
No one spoke.
Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
"MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
SECONDED. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER HOVEY: AYE
COMMISSIONER BONNER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR KREBS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
502. Community Development Department
Recommends The City Commission Hear A Request For A Conditional Use Within
The City Of Winter Springs RC-I Zoning District (Residential Rural FLU [Future
Land Use] Designation), To Allow Expansion (Doubling The Area) Of An Existing
Approximately 530 Square Foot Detached Accessory Structure (Private Garage) On
Approximately 1.14 Acres At 115 West Tradewinds Road.
Mr. Baker introduced this Agenda Item for discussion.
Manager Smith left the dais at 6:27 p.m.
Discussion.
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
No one spoke.
Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
"MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR KREBS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER HOVEY: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BONNER: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Manager Smith returned to the dais at 6:29 p.m.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
503. Community Development Department
Recommends The City Commission Hear The Request For A Waiver From The 20
Foot Side Yard And 35 Foot Rear Yard Setback Set Forth In Section 20-146. Of The
City Code For Accessory Structures Exceeding 240 Square Feet (Section 6-84.),
Pursuant To The Waiver Criteria And Procedure Detailed In Section 20-34. To
Allow The Expansion Of An Existing 530 Square Foot Garage At 115 West
Tradewinds Road, Within Approximately 15 Feet Of The Side Lot Line And The
Existing Portion Of The Building To Remain Within Approximately 14 Feet Of The
Rear Property Line.
Mr. Baker commented briefly on this Agenda Item.
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Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
No one spoke.
Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
"MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR KREBS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER BONNER: AYE
COMMISSIONER HOVEY: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
504. Community Development Department - Planning Division
Requests That The City Commission Hold A Public Hearing To Consider
Recommendations From The Local Planning Agency On Amendments To The
Adopted Future Land Use Map And To The Text Of The Comprehensive Plan
Based On The City's Adopted Evaluation And Appraisal Report And To Forward
The Proposed Amendments To The Florida Department Of Community Affairs As
Included In Ordinance 2009-08.
Attorney Garganese remarked, "As you know once the EAR (Evaluation and Appraisal
Report)-Based Amendments get sent up to Tallahassee and DCA (Department of
Community Affairs), they will submit objections, recommendations and comments
regarding the proposed Amendments to the City's Comprehensive Plan - therefore, as
you know we've got to get State input on any plans, and most of the time they come back
with those objections, recommendations and comments which require some tweaking
before the Commission actually adopts the proposed Amendments.
One of the major items that was discussed at the last Meeting had to do with an existing
Policy in the Comprehensive Plan regarding Affordable Housing. And, under the
existing Comprehensive Plan, there are some criteria, that we went back and we looked at
it in its true context, would require that the City come back and adopt an Ordinance using
that criteria for a guideline, and one of the criteria was to discourage the concentration of
Affordable Housing.
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So, going back and looking at it in its true context, our view was - our recommendation to
the Commission is not to Amend the Comprehensive Plan regarding that definition of
concentration; but you all have that Comp[rehensive] Plan Policy in place today, you can
simply adopt a Land Development Regulation to put more meat onto what that Policy
should be. So, rather than Amend it and let DCA (Department of Community Affairs) -
you just reserve the right to adopt Land Development Regulations to implement that
issue. So, you didn't see any recommended changes to that specific issue."
Attorney Garganese explained, "Also, when we went back and we met, we reviewed - the
Housing Element and the Future Land Use Element and there were a few other changes
that we wanted to recommend to you, and that is in your Agenda Item `504', it's just
some minor wordsmithing."
Furthermore, Attorney Garganese noted, "If you look at your Agenda Item on page 3,
Policy 1.3.10: about encouraging certain Workforce Housing units, an issue that we
didn't address at the staff level, but I just want to make sure the Commission is
comfortable with, is the minimum of twenty percent (20%) that's set forth in that Policy.
Are you alright with that minimum, or alternatively do you want to just kind of leave that
open ended to like a certain number at the appropriate time?"
Commissioner Brown stated, "I would like to leave it open." Commissioner Bonner said,
"I agree we should open that so that we have flexibility within Economic Development
zones, potentially." Commissioner McGinnis added, "I agree."
Attorney Garganese remarked, "So, rather than have the language to include a minimum
of twenty percent (20%), it will read `To include a certain number of residential units
with accessory dwellings', so, it would be a certain number. And, we added the language
`Where appropriate'; so it reserves the discretion to the Commission, what that number is
would be determined on a case by case basis, if necessary."
Commissioner Bonner said, "You just might want to give - a future Commission
flexibility to say a certain number and/or certain percent..." Attorney Garganese stated,
"...Okay..." Commissioner Bonner continued, "...Therefore, we don't have to count
lots and dwellings and granny units and so on, and so forth..." Attorney Garganese
added, "...Okay, we will make that change; and then lastly, just one correction. On the
bottom of that page, Policy 1.3.18: in the EAR (Evaluation and Appraisal Report)-Based
transmittal to DCA (Department of Community Affairs), the City did clearly represent
that they were going to add that Policy; and rather than strike it, would recommend that
you leave it in as proposed. It talks about providing for education on Affordable Housing
topics."
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Next, Attorney Garganese pointed out, "The more substantive language that we're going
to propose to you that I want to run by you - the proposal would be to add two (2) new
Objectives in related policies to the Future Land Use Element. One objective would be
related to the Town Center, and that is currently up on the screen. And, the objective is
as stated, it would be to plan and promote..."
Manager Smith said to Attorney Garganese, "...If you could just remind the Commission
that this came from the conversations - that they had at the previous Meeting, some
concerns that were addressed." Attorney Garganese noted, "Right."
Attorney Garganese then stated, "There was a lot of discussion at the last Commission
Meeting about - the economic viability of the Town Center, and the GreeneWAY
Interchange and its relation to SeminoleWAY, and about economic planning. There was
some discussion about that. So, that's what these two (2) objectives would address.
For the Town Center, the proposal is to create an objective that says that the City would
plan and promote for sufficient economic growth and development that provides for an
appropriate balance of high quality land uses, development, and activities that will
provide for a sound financial future for the City of Winter Springs. This objective
focuses in on the economic component for the Town Center; and then there are related
Policies that are being proposed. Policy 2.3.1: makes it clear that the City recognizes the
Town Center as the central economic development core of the City. It is centrally
located; it is the City's - urban business district; centrally located, with the potential for
high quality new development and revitalization, providing for needed services,
employment opportunities, high quality residential living opportunities, while becoming a
community activity center for the City of Winter Springs. It kind of memorializes - what
the Town Center is in the process of becoming, and what hopefully it will become.
Policy 2.3.2: introduces a little bit of a new concept, formalizes a concept, where the City
would conduct periodic economic development studies of the Town Center, that are
designed to compile economic data and analysis for a couple of reasons. One is to
obviously educate and inform the City about trends for economic performance of the
Town Center, because everybody needs a health check-up every now and then. The last
time the City did some - formal economic evaluation of the Town Center, was in its
infancy, that was the Gibbs Study that was referenced at the last Meeting.
The second component would be to assist the City in developing and implementing
Economic Development strategies for the Town Center. As you know, the City
Commission has already directed Staff to come up with economic incentives city-wide.
(2) is basically that. What kind of Economic Development strategies, including
incentives should be applied within the Town Center to make it successful?
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And the third critical component would be that this Economic Study would serve as a
significant factor in making development and other decisions related to the Town Center.
That goes to Commissioner Bonner's comments, `Is there anything that we could do to
establish a Policy that we can do a Study later on, and have that Study then be
incorporated into the decision-making process'. This Policy, if approved, would do that,
and that study, then, would be given significant legal weight in your decision-making
process, because the Comprehensive Plan would require that it be given that weight."
Commissioner Bonner asked about Policy 2.3.1: and stated, "The way it is written
currently, where it says `Recognize the Town Center as the central economic
development core'; as of right now, our City actually has three (3) Seminole Economic
Enhancement Districts (SEED'S); and so, this is at least one of three (3) SEED'S
(Seminole Economic Enhancement Districts) that are defined; so - I don't recommend - I
am not comfortable with us saying that the Town Center is the..." Attorney Garganese
noted, "...Centrally located?"
Manager Smith then explained, "Anthony (Garganese) and I had that conversation that
you're talking about, and Anthony (Garganese) explained to me - that it was not intended
to use the word `Central' as the major or the number one, but more of a geographic
descriptor."
Commissioner Bonner said, "I understand what your intent was, as opposed to saying that
this took precedent over other Economic Development zones." Attorney Garganese
suggested, "You can add that language, `Centrally located..." Commissioner Bonner
said, "I would be more comfortable with that, since I misinterpreted that."
Attorney Garganese remarked, "When we get into the next Objective, regarding the
GreeneWAY - that articulates that that's also a major economic catalyst for the City.
Policy 2.3.3: is just optimization of the tax base - the Commission has discussed this for
years; about how, being the last vacant land - the GreeneWAY and the Town Center as
one of the last true chances the City has to remake its tax base and diversify it a little bit
more with commercial.
And that's what 2.3.3: recognizes, is to insure compatible land uses and development
projects within the Town Center that optimally increases and diversifies the City's tax
base and economic well-being, while complimenting and protecting established
surrounding neighborhoods.
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Policy 2.3.4:, that introduces a new concept to the City, which I have seen with other
cities that I represent, especially on major important development projects. What this
Policy would indicate, is that it ensures the City policies and regulations and decision-
making processes; not only consider Town Center design planning impacts, but also
consider whether proposed new development will have a positive and acceptable
economic impact on the City; and further - on that Policy, and here's the new concept,
which the Commission can demand, the City Commission may require, as a condition of
considering the approval or denial of a development project, that Developers provide a
written Economic Fiscal Impact Report, prepared by a duly qualified expert; that details
the associated fiscal impacts of any proposed new development project on the City, and
on the School District.
What that is, is a significant project - you put the burden on the Developer to hire a
qualified expert, like a local Economist that will identify, these are the proposed land
uses, and this is going to be the fiscal impact on the City, financially, in terms of Ad
Valorem taxes, any other taxes, any associated - related uses that may come from the
development project and also take a look at the projected - which has a fiscal impact on
the schools. They would put that in writing, so you can see what kind of impact,
economic impact, that this proposed development will have on the City, whether it's
positive or negative - and this Policy is not written as mandatory, but it just says the
Commission may require it in certain instances, so you can see. You can make them put
the pencil to paper."
Commissioner Bonner asked, "While I absolutely support having this capability, the
question in my mind, is this written in such a way, so that it would not - become enforced
arbitrarily or have the potential to be enforced arbitrarily, because certainly conducting
an Economic Impact Report would incur additional costs to an Applicant. I don't want to
create anything that would necessarily become an impediment to accomplishing what
we're trying to accomplish by saying - you may end up having to have an unreasonable
investment in an economic analysis, and we can just arbitrarily impose that on you,
therefore you may decide to take your project elsewhere.
So, I fundamentally like the idea, but perhaps we need to, if we're going to make such a
requirement, maybe we need some design around that, or just put language in place at
this point that says they would be subject to being able to answer a certain number of
Staff questions or whatever; so, it becomes sort of a standard process, rather than an
arbitrary process."
Commissioner Brown suggested, "If I heard Anthony (Garganese) right, he had
addressed that by saying that the Commission had the latitude to ask for this or not ask
for this. And I think that's the appropriate thing to do."
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Attorney Garganese noted, "It says `May require'. Do you want to put more detail in this
Policy in the Comp[rehensive] Plan, or you take this `May require" and come up with..."
Mr. Bonner remarked, "...No, we wouldn't want it in the Comp[rehensive] Plan. I just
want to make sure we don't end up with some arbitrary - something that exists that
becomes arbitrarily applied."
Regarding conducting the analysis, Manager Smith suggested, "It must be a duly
qualified expert, so we can't have a situation where a Developer would come up and say
that they've done their analysis and we feel this, we feel that. It needs to be a duly
qualified expert." Commissioner McGinnis asked, "Would there be criteria on who you
would make those demands on?"
Attorney Garganese answered, "There has to be reason to this - I can give you a real good
example. A Developer comes into the City and they're requesting certain concessions
from the City, where the City may have to make some capital and infrastructure
investments. Well, aren't you going to want to know - what the financial impact is
coming back to the City? In those types of situations you could demand that they - give
you the data, rather than just shooting blind and just -projecting it internally. It could be
more complicated. We've had issues where we've dealt with - the impacts on schools."
Mr. Randy Stevenson, ASLA, AICP, Director, Community Development Department
said, "From the Staff, I just want to make sure, that again, while I totally support this; as
Staff, we need to know when to and when not to, because it would be a significant
economic impact. We know when we need to request it; is it requested as part of the
Final Engineering, perhaps after they get concept, or when do we do that in the process?
I think those are certainly terms that we can work out in the process of writing the Code
to match these Comp[rehensive] Plan Objectives, but I just wanted to get that on the
Record, that we would need to know when and how we would apply it..." Commissioner
McGinnis noted, "...I agree..." Mr. Stevenson continued, "So, it doesn't become
arbitrary that we have to - Staff feels compelled to ask for it on every development, and
that's not the case here."
Manager Smith added, "In the Comp[rehensive] Plan, we wouldn't want to detail out
those type things. This just gives us the flexibility to develop such a Policy and
mechanisms, and we'll certainly do that, provide objective criteria."
Commissioner Brown recommended, "I was just going to suggest that Staff develop
those and bring it back to us when they think it would fit best in the process."
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Attorney Garganese continued, "Policy 2.3.5: talks about Targeted Business Program.
That kind of goes hand in glove with economic analysis that's done. I'm sure you'll
identify certain target businesses, so like how SeminoleWAY has identified target
industries; well, your economic data may indicate that - we need to be focusing in on
bringing these types of businesses within the Town Center. This sets up a Policy for that,
as well as - residential units appropriate to create all an economically successful Town
Center, which is the goal.
Policy 2.3.6: talks about insuring high quality building and development that enhances
the image and economic well-being of the City and Town Center. We've all been
through those Hearings already regarding the Town Center, and the desires of the
Commission and the citizens, and 2.3.7: memorializes quality life policy, that we're
striving to improve the quality of life for Winter Springs residents, by encouraging an
increased number of and variety of thriving commercial businesses that are supported and
complimented by high-end residential projects, located in the Town Center."
With further discussion, Commissioner Bonner brought up, "What do you want from a
business mix, but also, what do you want from a resident mix within the Town Center
PUD (Planned Unit Development), which goes all the way back to the issue we started
with this evening." Commissioner Bonner added, "That step number three (3) never took
place - the City never created this target market analysis for residential mix; so, I don't
know if we need to incorporate that here as an addition to your 2.3.5: or as a separate
item that would be in here that goes back to this original planning study from March 23rd,
1998?"
Attorney Garganese remarked, "We could simply modify 2.3.5: to address residential..."
Commissioner Bonner added, "...Could say targeted business and residential program."
Attorney Garganese then suggested, "We can do targeted development program."
Furthermore, Attorney Garganese explained, "It's in cooperation with residents, local
businesses and the development community to attract, expand, and retain businesses
and..." Commissioner Bonner stated, "...Residential units. I think that handles it
without that confusion."
Tape 2/Side A
Commissioner Bonner suggested that the City Commission get a copy of the Study from
Staff. It was then suggested that Staff provide a disc of the information.
Related to 3.5.1:, Attorney Garganese noted, "There are also other new Objectives and
Policies that are being proposed, related to SeminoleWAY, so those are not restated here,
but they are still in the proposed draft."
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Commissioner Bonner asked if the Seminole Economic Enhancement Districts (SEED).
were referenced? Mr. Stevenson stated, "I can't recall whether it was in the narrative or
the Policy." Attorney Garganese added, "We can certainly go back and double-check
that - if there just needs to be a Policy to - maintain and implement the three (3) SEED
(Seminole Economic Enhancement District) programs that the City has adopted for the
Village Walk, Town Center, and the GreeneWAY." Commissioner Bonner remarked, "I
think that is fine. Just that we have it in there for future Commissions." Attorney
Garganese added, "If it is not already in there, we could add a simple Policy like that in
the Future Land Use Element."
Commissioner Bonner then said, "I am good with that if my peer Commissioners are?"
No objections were voiced.
Attorney Garganese then summarized, "What you have before you is the Transmittal
Ordinance and EAR (Evaluation and Appraisal Report)-Based Amendments with a few
changes that were identified in the Agenda Item `504'; plus the two (2) changes that I
indicted regarding Policy 1.3.10: and Policy 1.3.18:. In addition, adding the Objectives -
Objective 2.3: regarding the Town Center and related policies; and Objective 3.5: for the
GreeneWAY and related policies."
Manager Smith asked Attorney Garganese, "Do we need any clarification on the central
economic development core?" Attorney Garganese stated, "Right, as amended. You
have 2.3.1:, we will add the words located after the word `Central' and then Policy 2.3.5:,
instead of targeted business program, it would be `Targeted development program'. And
then of course, we'll go back and double-check to make sure we have a clear Policy of
maintaining and implementing the three (3) SEED (Seminole Economic Enhancement
Districts) programs that have been previously approved."
Discussion.
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
No one spoke.
Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
Ms. Sahlstrom remarked, "I just need to make notice that there is a Citizen Courtesy
Information list out front, if anyone wishes to put their name on that list; it will be
transmitted to DCA (Department of Community Affairs); so, they'll receive the updates
from DCA (Department of Community Affairs)."
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"MOTION TO APPROVE - WITH THE CHANGES." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER BROWN. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HOVEY.
DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER BROWN ADDED, "THAT IS INCORPORATING ALL THE
CHANGES." COMMISSIONER HOVEY NOTED, "RIGHT."
VOTE:
DEPUTY MAYOR KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BONNER: AYE
COMMISSIONER HOVEY: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REGULAR AGENDA
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600. Community Development Department
Requests That The City Commission Consider A Request To Modify Its Previous
Directive To Allow Enclosure Of Two (2) Covered Porch Areas At The Existing
Tuscany's Restaurant Without Modifying The Building To Match The Key West
Theme Of The Rest Of Tuscawilla Square.
Mr. Baker introduced this Agenda Item for discussion.
Mr. Alec String, Bryce Foster Corporation, 215 Rollingwood Trail, Altamonte Springs,
Florida: addressed the City on this project.
Deputy Mayor Krebs asked Mr. String, "Didn't you say that you - when your project,
part of your project was to include that Tuscany's would be changed, that it would be a
key west building style?"
Mr. String stated, "We were going to re-build the whole building." Deputy Mayor Krebs
asked, "What happened? Mr. String explained, "He wouldn't allow us to close down."
Furthermore, Mr. String added, "He was not willing to shut down his business for four
(4) months while we did a major - basically leveling of the existing building and building
a new building." Deputy Mayor Krebs then noted, "Because that is what you presented
to us when you came here with your whole plan?" Mr. String stated, "Right."
Discussion.
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Commissioner McGinnis said to Mr. String, "It may never be any different?" Mr. String
stated, "I am not going to say that, I think at some point it will, but I think it's going to
have to come with the end of Tuscany's and something new - I don't have any provisions
in my lease to require him to shut down."
Further discussion.
Commissioner Brown suggested, "Maybe there needs to be a part of a - mini
Development Agreement that says when Tuscany's changes hands, that this is done,
period; end of story - before anybody else can occupy that building."
With further comments, Commissioner Brown added, "I think maybe the solution is to do
a Development Agreement with Mr. String that says we can do this under the
understanding that when this business changes hands or when there is a major remodel
that needs to be done, it needs to come into Compliance..." Deputy Mayor Krebs and
Commissioner McGinnis agreed and also said, "It has to have major remodel."
Discussion.
"I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS UNDER
THE CONDITION THAT MR. STRING NEGOTIATE A DEVELOPER'S
AGREEMENT THAT IS AGREEABALE TO THE COMMISSION AND TO
STAFF AND TO HIMSELF, THAT AT THE TIME OF THIS OWNERSHIP OR
THIS TENANT CHANGING HANDS OR THE NEED TO DO A MAJOR
REMODEL ON THIS BUILDING, THAT IT COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH
THE ORIGINAL TERMS OF THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT THAT WAS
ESTABLISHED BACK IN 2005." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
DEPUTY MAYOR KREBS REMARKED, "CAN YOU SAY AND/OR..."
DEPUTY MAYOR KREBS ADDED, "...MAYBE THIS PARTICULAR TENANT
MAY DECIDE TO STAY." COMMISSIONER BROWN THEN SAID, "PLEASE
LET THAT STAND AS AN AND/OR." SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR
KREBS. DISCUSSION.
MAYOR BUSH ASKED MR. STRING, "ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE WAY
THAT IS WORDED?" MR. STRING STATED, "YES."
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BONNER: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER HOVEY: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR KREBS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Bush adjourned the Regular Meeting at 7:22 p.m.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED:
LORENZO-LUACES, MMC
CLERK
APPROVED:
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OR JOHN, r? BUSH
NOTE: These Minutes were approved at the June 22, 2009 Regular City Commission Meeting.
FORM 813 MEMORANDUM OF VOTING CONFLICT FOR
COUNTY MUNICIPAL, AND OTHER LOCAL PUBLIC OFFICERS
LAST -FI T A -MI AME NAME OF BOARD, COUN IL, COMMISSION, AUTHORITY, OR CO ITTEE
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DATE ON WHICH VOTE OC URR
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WHO MUST FILE FORM 813
This form is for use by any person serving at the county, city, or other local level of government on an appointed or elected board, council,
commission, authority, or committee. It applies equally to members of advisory and non-advisory bodies who are presented with a voting
conflict of interest under Section 112.3143, Florida Statutes.
Your responsibilities under the law when faced with voting on a measure in which you have a conflict of interest will vary greatly depending
on whether you hold an elective or appointive position. For this reason, please pay close attention to the instructions on this form before
completing the reverse side and filing the form.
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INSTRUCTIONS FOR COMPLIANCE WITH SECTION 112.3143, FLORIDA STATUTES
A person holding elective or appointive county, municipal, or other local public office MUST ABSTAIN from voting on a measure which
inures to his or her special private gain or loss. Each elected or appointed local officer also is prohibited from knowingly voting on a mea-
sure which inures to the special gain or loss of a principal (other than a government agency) by whom he or she is retained (including the
parent organization or subsidiary of a corporate principal by which he or she is retained); to the special private gain or loss of a relative; or
to the special private gain or loss of a business associate. Commissioners of community redevelopment agencies under Sec. 163.356 or
163.357, F.S., and officers of independent special tax districts elected on a one-acre, one-vote basis are not prohibited from voting in that
capacity.
For purposes of this law, a "relative" includes only the officer's father, mother, son, daughter, husband, wife, brother, sister, father-in-law,
mother-in-law, son-in-law, and daughter-in-law. A "business associate" means any person or entity engaged in or carrying on a business
enterprise with the officer as a partner, joint venturer, coowner of property, or corporate shareholder (where the shares of the corporation
are not listed on any national or regional stock exchange).
ELECTED OFFICERS:
In addition to abstaining from voting in the situations described above, you must disclose the conflict:
PRIOR TO THE VOTE BEING TAKEN by publicly stating to the assembly the nature of your interest in the measure on which you
are abstaining from voting; and
WITHIN 15 DAYS AFTER THE VOTE OCCURS by completing and filing this form with the person responsible for recording the min-
utes of the meeting, who should incorporate the form in the minutes.
APPOINTED OFFICERS:
Although you must abstain from voting in the situations described above, you otherwise may participate in these matters. However, you
must disclose the nature of the conflict before making any attempt to influence the decision, whether orally or in writing and whether made
by you or at your direction.
IF YOU INTEND TO MAKE ANY ATTEMPT TO INFLUENCE THE DECISION PRIOR TO THE MEETING AT WHICH THE VOTE WILL BE
TAKEN:
• You must complete and file this form (before making any attempt to influence the decision) with the person responsible for recording the
minutes of the meeting, who will incorporate the form in the minutes. (Continued on other side)
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APPOINTED OFFICERS (continued)
• A copy of the form must be provided immediately to the other members of the agency.
• The form must be read publicly at the next meeting after the form is filed.
IF YOU MAKE NO ATTEMPT TO INFLUENCE THE DECISION EXCEPT BY DISCUSSION AT THE MEETING:
• You must disclose orally the nature of your conflict in the measure before participating.
• You must complete the form and file it within 15 days after the vote occurs with the person responsible for recording the minutes of the
meeting, who must incorporate the form in the minutes. A copy of the form must be provided immediately to the other members of the
agency, and the form must be read publicly at the next meeting after the form is filed.
)p DISCLOSURE OF LOCAL OFFICER'S INTEREST
1 hereby disclose that on `-? ,2009.
(a) A measure came or will come befo my agency which (check one)
inured to my special private gain or loss;
inured to the special gain or loss of my business associate,
inured to the special gain or loss of my relative, ;
- inured to the special gain or loss
whom I am retained; or
- inured to the special gain or loss of
is the parent organization or subsidiary of a principal which has retained me.
(b) The measure before my agency and the nature of my conflicting interest in the measure is as follows:
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NOTICE: UNDER PROVISIONS OF FLORIDA STATUTES §112.317, A FAILURE TO MAKE ANY REQUIRED DISCLOSURE
CONSTITUTES GROUNDS FOR AND MAY BE PUNISHED BY ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING: IMPEACHMENT,
REMOVAL OR SUSPENSION FROM OFFICE OR EMPLOYMENT, DEMOTION, REDUCTION IN SALARY, REPRIMAND, OR A
CIVIL PENALTY NOT TO EXCEED $10,000.
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