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CALL TO ORDER
The Workshop of Thursday, June 10, 2004 of the City Commission was called to order
by Mayor John F. Bush at 6:30 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the Municipal
Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida 32708).
Mayor John F. Bush, present
Commissioner Robert S. Miller, present
Commissioner Michael S. Blake, present
Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore, present (via telephone)
Commissioner Sally McGinnis, present
Commissioner David W. McLeod, arrived at 6:56 p.m.
City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, present
City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, absent
A moment of silence was followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.
1. Office Of The City Manager
Budget Review.
In his opening remarks, City Manager Ronald W. McLemore noted a revised page, E-20.
Oak Forest Wall And Beautification District Advisory Committee:
Discussion ensued with Mr. Kip Lockcuff, P.E., Public WorkslUtility Department
Director.
With discussion on the "Maint. Fund", Commissioner Michael S. Blake asked Mr.
Lockcuff, "When are we going to see this project?" Commissioner Blake added, "You
are asking us for about a sixty-five percent (65%) increase in the maintenance portion of
their Assessment, and we are going to do it blind? We are not going to see what plans we
are talking about? What kind of expansion? We are not going to talk to the residents?"
Discussion ensued on a previous Informational Agenda Item related to this issue.
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Discussion
Commissioner Blake then said that "I am most unhappy about the way it is coming to us.
This is something that I should have known about before. It is something every other
Commissioner and the Mayor should have had an opportunity to talk about before, and
not here at the Budget meetings." Commissioner Blake added, "My concern is the level
of communication." Furthermore, Commissioner Blake said, "If this is initiated by the
homeowners, the property owners, the folks that spend the money, I am all for it."
Commissioner David W McLeod arrived at 6:56 p.m.
Discussion.
Mr. Terry Patten, 845 Benchwood Court, Winter Springs, Florida: as the Chairman of
the Oak Forest Wall And Beautification District Advisory Committee, Mr. Patten
addressed the City Commission.
Commissioner Robert S. Miller asked Mr. Patten, "Has this ever been mentioned - in
your Newsletter?" Mr. Patten responded, "No." Commissioner Miller suggested, "I
would encourage you to put a big spread on this in your Newsletter." Mayor Bush then
said to Manager McLemore, "I would like to recommend the next time this happens that
this not be an Informational [Agenda] Item - it be a Regular Agenda Item, and -
individuals like Terry [Patten] could be present and give a presentation to the
Commission. "
Mr. Patten briefly spoke for the record on "Public Input."
Discussion.
Tuscawilla Lighting And Beautification District Advisory Committee:
Commissioner Blake stated, "Why are maintaining a Fund Balance in this Account?"
Manager McLemore responded, "We'll get some answers."
Discussion.
Tape I/Side B
Commissioner Blake said, "My feeling on both the Oak Forest [Wall and Beautification
District] and the TLBD [Tuscawilla Lighting And Beautification District] Assessment
Districts - I think we are being premature here.
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There is no reason why we should be approving these new dollar numbers into a budget,
before each of us have had an opportunity to go through and have the Commission have
an opportunity to make a decision with the help of the residents in those areas, as to
whether or not these additional improvements should be made. We should revert back
and use the standard operating budget that we have used in previous years. Once the
issue is ripe and goes through all the different stops that it has to get to, prior to this
Commission making a decision - if the Commission then decides to go ahead and
implement those additional improvements, we merely need to amend the Budget."
Mayor Bush added, "I agree with you in the fact that it needs to be more public and not
an Informational Agenda Item. It needs to be a Regular Agenda Item."
Discussion.
Mr. Moti Khemlani, 605 Morgan Street, Winter Springs, Florida: as a Member of the
Tuscawilla Lighting and Beautification District Advisory Committee, Mr. Khemlani
addressed the City Commission and stated, "At the last [Tuscawilla Lighting and
Beautification District Advisory Committee] Meeting, Don Gilmore as the outgoing
Chairman did make that comment that we need to pass this information over to the
people; and we are going to do that."
Mr. Rande Thompson, 108 Marsh Creek Cove, Winter Springs, Florida: also as a
Member of the Tuscawilla Lighting and Beautification District Advisory Committee, Mr.
Thompson stated, "We want to go to the community. We are definitely going to go to the
community." Furthermore, Mr. Thompson added, "We have talked about putting it in the
Newsletter, so that every member of the community is aware of it."
Mayor Bush said to Manager McLemore, "Is this something to be put in the City's
Newsletter?" Manager McLemore responded, "It could."
Regarding the "Country Club Village Streetlighting Assessment", Commissioner Blake
said, "What happens if there is money leftover in the account, at the end of it?" With
discussion, Commissioner Blake added, "It is not the Association's money." Manager
McLemore said, "That is an interesting question." Commissioner Blake further stated,
"In anticipation of that, I would hope that we would either make sure that it all gets spent
and creates a deficiency, or check into whether or not we can use these funds to prepay
the bills that were collected and intended to pay, which is the electric bill - the light bill."
Manager McLemore said, "Sure. Okay."
Mayor Bush called a Recess at 7:50 p.m.
Mayor Bush called the Workshop back to order at 7:53 p.m.
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Parks And Recreation Department:
Discussion ensued with Mr. Chuck Pula, Director, Parks and Recreation Department on
printers. Commissioner Blake asked, "Why is the black and white printer so much more
expensive than the color printer?" Commissioner Blake added, "It is just one of those
things you might want to check into."
Discussion ensued on budget items related to the 4th of July event.
Tape 2/Side A
With discussion on Senior Bus Transportation, Commissioner Sally McGinnis stated,
"We have not determined yet if ridership is out of necessity or convenience." Manager
McLemore said, "Why would the Seniors be giving money out to other people all over
the place, when they could be using those funds to help offset the costs of this bus. And
that is a legitimate thing for them to do." Commissioner Blake added, "I agree." Mayor
Bush said to Mr. Pula, "I think that is a good point." Mr. Pula added, "We definitely will
look at it."
Mayor Bush then said that regarding "Advertising the Gambling Cruises - I just don't
think that is a good idea." Commissioner Blake added, "I don't think it is appropriate
either." Mr. Pula said, "Are you speaking of - in the Newsletter? We can take care of
that. "
Discussion.
Regarding a possible shade structure, Commissioner Blake inquired, "How much would
it cost and will it enhance the view - from the Police Department and the Fire
Department?" With discussion, Mr. Pula said, "I'd like to do it - as quick as we can get it
up there." Commissioner Blake asked, "Are you asking to have it put in the Budget?"
With further discussion, Commissioner Blake said, "Put it in there." Manager McLemore
then said, "Okay, we'll make that amendment."
Mayor Bush said, "You all are doing a good job, we appreciate it!" Commissioner Blake
added, "Yes, you are doing a great job!"
In other Budget related business, Commissioner McLeod said "Are we not moving ahead
with this over here - this expansion of City Hall?" Manager McLemore responded, "We
are putting that off for a while, because the revenues are not coming in." With
discussion, Commissioner McLeod suggested, "When we get into that one, let's talk
about. Maybe we need to find another way to do it."
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Community Development Department:
Discussion ensued with Ms. Max Epstein, Customer Service Division Manager,
Community Development Department. Discussion ensued on the possibility of two-tier
pricing to incorporate priority service.
Next, discussion ensued on a possible Receptionist for the Lobby, and Commissioner
Miller suggested, "It is something that we should think about." Also discussed was
improving the telephone system, to which Mayor Bush stated, "I would like to see that."
Commissioner McGinnis also agreed. Commissioner McLeod suggested, "I think what
we need to have out here is maybe some signage over the windows that directs the
people."
Regarding improving telephone service and quality, Commissioner McLeod suggested, "I
think the first thing should be - if you want to speak to an Operator push zero [0], and
then go on through - if they want certain Departments." Commissioner McLeod added,
"One thing that I did notice is that when you go to the zero [0], and they do send you
somewhere, you never go back." Commissioner Miller then said, "Can I assume then
that the City Staff is going to look into addressing the telephone system - and signs?"
Manager McLemore responded, "We will address the messages, the queuing, and all that
kind of stuff - do you want me to bring back a proposal, a recommendation... Mayor
Bush pointed out that "...I think the Commission's consensus was really the telephones."
Tape 2/Side B
Commissioner Blake suggested, "Make it more user-friendly." Commissioner McLeod
said, "When it is done Ron [McLemore], call it a few times to see how it works."
Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore noted that "One of the suggestions that I might like to
make on the telephone system is that the City Staff go to the outside and start making
phone calls trying to find out information - in other words, duplicate what the resident of
Winter Springs does." Mayor Bush recommended, "Just make a call to the City when
you don't know to whom you should speak."
Next, discussion ensued on the City's Arborist. Mayor Bush said that Mr. Mingea
advised him that he "Needs publications so that he [Mr. Mingea] could show people
things." Commissioner Blake suggested, "It is all on the Internet." Ms. Epstein stated,
"It is possible that he [Mr. Mingea] wants additional brochures, but we haven't sat down
and discussed the reasons why he [Mr. Mingea] would need that. That is something that I
will discuss with him [Mr. Mingea] tomorrow." Mayor Bush added, "If there was a
[Computer] terminal or a workstation at the counter, then he [Mr. Mingea] wouldn't need
the publications, he could easily bring it up."
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Next discussed was Mr. Mingea's access to the Internet. Ms. Epstein added, "We do
have the ability to produce that information and he has the ability at his fingertips."
Mayor Bush then inquired about computer skills; to which Manager McLemore stated,
"We will have that discussion with him." Mayor Bush stated, "He is truly sincere about
his love for - trees!" Ms. Epstein added, "He does a phenomenal job!"
Utility Department:
Discussion ensued on long-term Stormwater issues.
A new page G-l was handed out by Staff.
Discussion.
Commissioner Blake stated, "Normally you give us a resurfacing list." Mr. Lockcuff
responded, "We will have it in the Budget for next time." Mr. Lockcuff verbally noted
the streets which will be resurfaced.
Mayor Bush then said to the City Commission, "Maybe you have seen the
correspondence from a citizen who had written me and I turned it over to the Manager
and Kip's [Lockcuff] response." Mr. Lockcuff stated, "I didn't copy them. I can
though." Mayor Bush added, "If you want a copy of it, the Clerk - Andrea [Lorenzo-
Luaces] can get it."
Next, discussion followed on Decellanes.
Regarding the "Public Facilities Impact Fee Fund", Commissioner McLeod suggested, "I
would tell you to probably add another twenty (20) to - twenty-five percent (25%) to that
project." With discussion on the shortage of some building supplies, Commissioner
McLeod added, "It is one of the reasons I would move forward with it - I think it is going
to get worse, before it gets better, over the next couple of years." Manager McLemore
said, "We can look at that." Commissioner Blake said, "The question is where do we
have to get it from to move forward and get it done, and then we can pay it back."
Commissioner McLeod said to Manager McLemore, "It was something that was needed
two (2) years ago, when you came to us."
Manager McLemore remarked, "We will come back to you with a way to do it."
Commissioner McLeod said, "Okay. When." Manager McLemore added, "We will work
out a way to make it work."
Tape 3/Side A
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With discussion on "Solidwaste/Recyc1ing Fund Revenues", Manager McLemore stated,
"The bottom line is we are going to redo this for your submission in July. We are
reviewing that Performa now." Commissioner Blake said, "I would like to see those
numbers. I would be very interested in them. And even if that is the case, the purpose of
this Fund was for rate stabilization over the nine (9) year period." Commissioner Blake
added, "We have three (3) years remaining. What are we going to do about it?" With
further discussion, Commissioner Blake noted, "Let's have the conversation when you do
your study and bring it back."
Next, Commissioner Blake asked, "Don't we have some increases in our debt payments
coming up?" Commissioner Blake suggested to Manager McLemore, "If we could
maybe just look at that again." Manager McLemore responded, "Okay."
Regarding the "1999 Debt Service Fund", Commissioner Blake said to Manager
McLemore, "Talk to me about the fund balance that we are carrying in that one - half
million dollars. Is that that one that requires reserves?" Manager McLemore said, "I
have got to check it for you." Manager McLemore added, "I will get back that
information on your Debt Service requirement."
Discussion.
While on page E-28, Commissioner Blake inquired, "Is this line of credit, a revolving
line of credit?" Manager McLemore responded, "By Resolution, I believe you can
extend it. I would have to check." Commissioner Blake then said, "But I thought that
was a Bank requirement, wasn't it?" Furthermore, Commissioner Blake added, "Let's
look into that because there is probably enough money there to take care of a major
portion of the City Hall expansion."
Further discussion.
Discussion ensued on a proposed "VFW [Veteran's of Foreign Wars] Monument".
Commissioner Blake said, "We put so much into this Town Center in terms of its design,
its flavor, its overall atmosphere, that I think the Commission ought to retain some
control over what monuments, if any, goes in the Town Center - and if so, where, and
what they look like. And to see it up here, fifty thousand dollars ($50,000.00) for a
'VFW [Veteran's of Foreign Wars] Monument', I think that, in and of itself is - an
Agenda Item." Mayor Bush suggested, "I would recommend you give it a different
name."
With additional discussion, Commissioner McLeod suggested, "Maybe you just rename
this as a Memorial Walk, as being that area and if one of those things happens to come
back as a Veteran's memorial, then at that time, present it as a Veteran's Memorial."
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Manager McLemore stated, "I am scratching 'VFW' [Veteran's of Foreign Wars] and
just leaving 'Monument'." Commissioner McGinnis stated, "I would like some
consideration given to changing 'Memorial' to 'Commemorative'." Commissioner Blake
added, "I don't like it when things come up that way."
Mayor Bush spoke about the involvement of the Rotary Club and suggested, "At some
point, they need to come to the Commission I think and enlighten us." Commissioner
McGinnis agreed and said, "Yes." Commissioner McLeod said, "I wouldn't wait until
the point that you want to do it. I think it ought to be brought forward and - say - here is
the Rotary - we would like to present an idea to you and give this Commission some time
to give some thought to it."
Commissioner Miller suggested to Manager McLemore, "Somebody has got to come
here and tell us - and if we need to make a commitment of some kind, then we can do it
at that time. Fine. So we leave it as 'Monument' for the time being." Mayor Bush
summarized, "We have changed the name to 'Monument' and left the fifty thousand
dollars ($50,000.00) in - or 'Commemorative Monument'. I like 'Commemorative'
better too."
Discussion.
Regarding the "Public Works Compound", Commissioner Blake asked, "What did we
budget for the improvements at that time?" Manager McLemore stated, "I don't think we
had a budget for the improvements when we took that property. I will go back and check
the Agenda Item." Commissioner Blake added, "What I really want to know is how do
we get to 3.3 million and what are we getting for it?" Manager McLemore added, "I will
check that Agenda Item and bring you a copy of that."
Commissioner Blake then stated, "The City owns various pieces of property; and the City
has paid money to have them appraised - I think we need to talk about what our plans are
for these parcels."
Additionally, Commissioner Blake said, "We are searching for money to build a Fire
Station in two (2) years. We are searching for money to re-build City Hall. We are
spending what is ending up being a lot more I think, to build a Public Works Compound.
It is time that we get an Inventory on these properties before us on the next Agenda and
make a determination." Manager McLemore said, "Okay." Mayor Bush inquired, "Do
you have any idea Ron [McLemore], when you want to put that on the Agenda?"
Manager McLemore stated, "Next Meeting."
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ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Bush adjourned the Workshop at 10:27 p.m.
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