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I. CALL TO ORDER
The Workshop of Tuesday, June 4, 2002 of the City Commission was called to order by
Mayor Paul P. Partyka at 6:31 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the Municipal
Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida 32708).
ROLL CALL:
Mayor Paul P. Partyka, present
Deputy Mayor Cindy Gennell, present
Commissioner Robert S. Miller, present
Commissioner Michael S. Blake, arrived at 6:59 p.m.
Commissioner Edward Martinez, Jr., present
Commissioner David W. McLeod, present
City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, present
City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, absent
The Pledge of Allegiance followed the Invocation.
II. AGENDA
A. Public Works Department
Discussion On Traffic Calming.
Commissioner Edward Martinez, Jr. stated, "Mayor, I want you to remember this
Meeting was called specifically for the purpose of having citizens come in and discuss or
give us input, and apparently they have failed to heed the call."
Mr. Ian Lockwood, Civil Engineer, Gladding Jackson, 33 East Pine Street, Orlando,
Florida: addressed the City Commission on the subject of Traffic Calming.
Discussion.
Commissioner Michael S. Blake arrived at 6:59 p.m.
Mr. Lockwood advised the Commission, "We would like to begin the development of a
Traffic Calming Policy for the City based on the sorts of ideals that you've seen in the
presentation. The smartest policy is in the country now - the first thing they do is they
support Traffic Calming in concept. And that one thing, you could have a one (1)
paragraph Resolution if you'd like, but that one thing absolves you of about ninety-five
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percent (95%) of any liability associated with Traffic Calming, which is a fear of many
cities who are initially getting into it because it's something new. Lawyers get all excited
if somebody crashes into one of these things even though crash rates go down typically
fifty percent (50%) and injury rates go down about eighty percent (80%). So you need a
Policy for liability reasons just to SUPPOlt Traffic Calming."
Next, Mr. Lockwood spoke on suggested criteria and stated, "One (1), which is I think
very important that you'd probably want to put in is, making sure that the area that is
going in will accept Traffic Calming; that they're willing and able, and knowledgeable
enough to accept it. Don't force it on anybody - that's the point. And the second -
criteria would be to have a good probability of having an effective measure be put in.
You don't want to put in something that will likely not work. And the last criteria that
you'd want to put in your policy is, ensuring that there are no transfer effects - you don't
want to fix a problem on 'Street A' and have the problem shift over to 'Street B' - so in
those cases - the project would include both 'A' and 'B' streets. So with that I would
advise you to have a simple Traffic Calming policy. I would advise you to have a
flexible one because your needs will change - your needs in Traffic Calming will evolve
over time just like they do in every other City that starts Traffic Calming."
City Manager Ronald W. McLemore spoke of prioritizing projects and stated, "If we
allocate money to projects, who comes first, who comes second, and who comes third?
That's one of the things we struggle with. I think again we've got to have some kind of
way to decide how we take a million dollars worth of need and two hundred thousand
dollars ($200,000.00) of money and decide who goes first." "How do we decide what
goes first when you have a limited amount of money to work with?"
Discussion continued, with documents f)'om West Palm Beach, related to Traffic Calming
distributed to the Mayor and City Commission.
Mr. Lockwood informed the Commission, "The smart thing to do is keep it general, keep
it open. Allow your Staff the ability to bring projects to you that have been initiated -
either by the Police, or yourselves, or - petition. Listen to their recommendations because
every project will be completely unique - a scoring system is what you want to avoid. A
lot of the naIve, early policies have these elaborate scoring systems and that's the reason
why places like Seattle and Portland have to hire eight (8) people just to run their Traffic
Calming because they have to collect tons of unnecessary data. Then, because they
collect it they have to analyze it."
Tape IISide 8
Furthermore, Mr. Lockwood stated, "The Traffic Calming Policy, the empowering
policy, I think even if you didn't do another Traffic Calming project you'd probably want
to pass the Policy just to cover yourself for your past projects that you've done."
Deputy Mayor Cindy Gennell made the suggestion, "I would like to see us address - look
at what we have already done, and how it can be enhanced to meet the real needs that are
there. "
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Manager McLemore spoke of concerns with the traffic circulation pattern within the
Town Center and stated "I think we really need to re-Iook at the Town Center - there are
some real issues with that development."
Commissioner Robert S. Miller said, "I think it's a great idea to have a Policy."
Commissioner Miller added, "I think we ought to adopt one and then let whatever comes
to pass come under that guiding document." Further, Commissioner Miller said, "I
support the policy" and spoke of traffic problems on Fisher Road, Murphy Road,
Edgemon A venue, and Seneca Boulevard.
Commissioner Blake asked, "Ron [McLemore] or Kip [Mr. Kipton D. Lockcuff, Public
WorkslUtility Department Director] either one, in our plan that we've submitted to the
County for our thirteen million dollar share or so of the penny tax fund over the next ten
(10) years, what portion did we list in there would be used towards Traffic Calming?"
Mr. Lockcuff answered, "It's the same as the CIP [Capital Improvements Program]."
Manager McLemore stated, "Seems like to me it was six hundred thousand ($600,000.00)
- it is in that range."
Commissioner Blake stated, "I don't have any problem with developing the policy Mr.
Manager. I think we clearly have to have some recognition of what we've done in the
past, how we can improve upon that and recall that we did, I think, have an agreement of
how we are going to divvy up these projects throughout the City." Furthermore,
Commissioner Blake suggested that previously suggested projects do not fall "In line
with what we discussed earlier on, two (2) years ago or so, when we earmarked the
specific nmding for the projects that we already have in place. So I think I'd like to see
some sort of a fair and equitable method of determining where these dollars are going to
be spent."
Captain Mike Noland, Winter Springs Police Department, informed the Commission of
the top ten (10) City streets that have the most speeders: Sheoah Boulevard, Hayes Road,
Shepard Road, Shore Road, Seneca Boulevard, South Edgemon Avenue, Arbor Glen,
Deer Run Drive, Trotwood Boulevard (Oak Forest), and Shetland Road.
Deputy Mayor Gennell added, "The other street that I would mention - and that's the fact
that we're going to be doing work on Moss [Road]. And when we get ready to do work
on Moss [Road], I think it would normally be incorporated in the considerations on that."
Note: Commissioner Martinez' microphone was pointed out to be in need of repairs.
Commissioner Martinez suggested that Greenbriar Lane is being used as a "Cut through
from Winter Springs [Boulevard] to Northern Way to Shetland [Road]. There are many
areas in the City that may need this here - I think you are going to have to establish a
priority list and if you decide to go forth with this project, tackle those that need to be
taken care of first."
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Manager McLemore stated, "George Street - we have struggled with - I would like Ian
[Lockwood] to look at George Street with Kip [Lockcuff] and come to some final
recommendation on what we are going to do with that street."
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Discussion then covered traffic circulation issues within the Town Center and the related
Site Plan. Manager McLemore stated, "If Ian [Lockwood] looks at this and he sees some
of these realistic kind of people related problems that with some tweaking could help - I
think we need to have that serious discussion with [Shane] Doran real quick."
In regards to the traffic circulation issues within the Town Center, Commissioner David
W. McLeod said, "I agree with Mr. Miller because I think Staff and you need to go back
and talk to the Developer and express your concerns." Manager McLemore stated, "I see
some real issues here and to me - if anybody can provide some help here, we ought to
listen. Ian [Lockwood] has got some good ideas. I certainly think we need to
communicate with him about them."
Discussion continued.
Commissioner Martinez departed the Workshop at 8:26 p.m.
Further discussion ensued regarding conceptual plans.
III. ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Partyka adjourned the Workshop at 8:36 p.m.
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