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CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA
MINUTES
CITY COMMISSION
SPECIAL MEETING
MAY 27,2008
CALL TO ORDER
The Special Meeting of Tuesday, May 27, 2008 of the City Commission was called to
Order by Mayor John F. Bush at 5:15 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the
Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida
32708).
Roll Call:
Mayor John F. Bush, present
Deputy Mayor Donald A. Gilmore, present
Commissioner Robert S. Miller, present
Commissioner Rick Brown, present
Commissioner Sally McGinnis, present
Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs, present
City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, present
City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, absent
Assistant City Attorney Kate Latorre, arrived at 5: 16 p.m.
A moment of silence was followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.
Assistant City Attorney Kate Latorre arrived at 5:16 p.m.
"I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT WE PULL CONSENT '201' TO THE
REGULAR AGENDA AND THE WE PULL IN ITS ENTIRETY, REGULAR
[AGENDA ITEM] '603'." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
MAYOR BUSH NOTED, "'201' CAN BE PUT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA,
NO PROBLEM. NOW, '603' COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER BROWN
HAS MADE A MOTION - TO REMOVE '603' SINCE IT HAS NOT ALREADY
BEEN ADDRESSED."
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: NAY
COMMISSIONER MILLER: NAY
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: NAY
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION DID NOT CARRY.
Mayor Bush complimented Commissioner Rick Brown for his work with the Boys Town
of Florida in Oviedo and for serving on the Board. Mayor Bush added, "Congratulations
Commissioner Brown."
City Manager Ronald W. McLemore acknowledged Ms. Michelle Greco, Director,
Finance Department and Ms. Kelly Balagia, Budget Analyst, Finance Department for
their work on the Budget Presentation Award. You got a Memorandum from me very
recently saying that we accomplished this Award on the first try, which is very unusual."
Manager McLemore added, "Kelly (Balagia) and Michelle (Greco) made a commitment
to try to do it and they did it on the first try. And that's an extremely commendable piece
of work."
Mayor Bush noted, "Congratulations Michelle (Greco)...." Commissioner Sally
McGinnis asked, ".. .Did you do a Press Release..." Manager McLemore replied, ". ..It's
going to go out tomorrow..." Mayor Bush then said, "...And Kelly (Balagia)."
Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs remarked, "You know I sent you congrats and really,
good work; good job!" Commissioner Krebs added, "Congratulations!
Manager McLemore remarked, "Kelly (Balagia) just dug in and made the commitment to
get it done and she's put in a lot of extra hours at no extra pay, to get it done."
Mayor Bush then commented, "Weare proud of you. Thanks very much."
Mayor Bush said, "Commissioners, we have one (1) person who has asked to address the
Commission early because they have another engagement. If you have no objection,
Mary Pando from the Oviedo-Winter Springs Life Magazine would like to address the
Commission. Is that acceptable?" Commissioner Brown remarked, "Yes."
Commissioner McGinnis added, "Yes."
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.:..:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING PUBLIC INPUT WAS HELD AT
THIS POINT DURING THE MEETING, AS DOCUMENTED, AND LATER IN
THE MEETING, AS SHOWN ON PAGES 9 AND 10 OF THESE MINUTES. .:..:.
PUBLIC INPUT
Ms. Mary Pando, Editor/Publisher, Oviedo-Winter Springs Life, 121 Forest Trail,
Oviedo, Florida: spoke on the merits of having a 4th of July celebration as an investment
in "Community".
INFORMA TIONAL AGENDA
INFORMATIONAL
100. Community Development Department
Advising The City Commission Of The Status Of Various Current Planning
Projects.
No discussion.
INFORMATIONAL
101. Finance Department And Office Of The City Manager
Announce That The City Of Winter Springs Has Received The Distinguished
Budget Presentation Award For The First Time.
Brief discussion.
"MOTION TO APPROVE" [INFORMATIONAL AGENDA]. MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER MILLER. SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE.
DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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.:. .:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS
WERE DISCUSSED NEXT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY IN THE ORDER
DOCUMENTED. .:. .:.
CONSENT AGENDA
CONSENT
200. Parks And Recreation Department
Requesting The City Commissions Approval To Change The Part-Time Therapy
Pool Specialist Position To A Full-Time Position And To Hire Liz Abitante For This
Position.
With brief discussion on this Agenda Item, Mayor Bush suggested, "We have got several
people who want to speak on this item - maybe we should pull it off." Mayor Bush then
noted, "So, we will move '200' to the Regular Agenda as well." Commissioner
McGinnis stated, "Okay." No objections were voiced.
CONSENT
201. Information Services Department
Requesting A Supplemental Appropriation In The Amount Of $37,263.00 And
Authorization To Proceed With Air-Pak As The Vendor For Server Room AlC And
Electrical Work.
As noted earlier in the Meeting, this Agenda Item was moved to the Regular Agenda.
CONSENT
202. Not Used.
CONSENT
203. Police Department
Requests The Commission To Approve The Donation Of $150.00 From The
Georgetowne HOA (Homeowner's Association).
Brief discussion.
Mayor Bush said, "So, [Consent] '200' and [Consent] '201' have been moved to the
Regular Agenda. Motion to Approve?"
"MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. DISCUSSION.
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
AWARDS AND PRESENT A TIONS
AWARDS AND PRESENT A nONS
300. Finance Department
Requesting City Commission Acceptance Of The Comprehensive Annual Financial
Report (CAFR), As Presented, For The Fiscal Year Ended September 30, 2007.
Ms. Kelly Leary, Auditor, McDirmit Davis and Company, LLC, 605 East Robinson
Street, Suite 635, Orlando, Florida: spoke on the Comprehensive Annual Financial
Report (CAFR).
Discussion.
Ms. Leary commented, "Overall, the - City looks great compared to other cities; the trend
of the City is - positive."
Ratios were addressed next, to which Mayor Bush asked, "Is this in the Report that you
have got right there?" Ms. Leary replied, "It is not." With continued discussion,
Manager McLemore noted, "It is important to - understand that that is a ratio
computation." Furthermore, Manager McLemore explained, "These are ratio
computations, they are not absolute dollars - because that is the reason it stayed stable, as
our Budget overall has grown."
Discussion.
Commissioner Krebs asked, "What cities are we compared to? I know you keep saying
other cities or cities this size. Do we have names of cities?" Ms. Leary replied, "I don't
have that page with me. I can send it to Michelle (Greco)." Commissioner Krebs stated,
"Please. I would like to see - who we are being..." Ms. Leary said, "...Compared to?"
Commissioner Krebs said, "Yes."
Commissioner Robert S. Miller said to Ms. Leary, "I really wanted to compliment you on
one (1) chart, and that was on our debt."
Further discussion.
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"MOTION TO APPROVE - TO ACCEPT." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER
McGINNIS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
MAYOR BUSH NOTED, MOTION TO APPROVE THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE
COMPREHENSIVE ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT."
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REPORTS
REPORTS
400. Office Of The City Attorney - Anthony A. Garganese, Esquire
Assistant City Attorney Latorre stated, "No Report."
REPORTS
401. Office Of The City Manager - Ronald W. McLemore
No Report.
REPORTS
402. Office Of The City Clerk - Andrea Lorenzo-Luaces, CMC
City Clerk Andrea Lorenzo-Luaces advised the City Commission that she was planning
on bringing them an Agenda Item related to expiring Advisory Board Re-Appointments
at the next Regular City Commission Meeting.
REPORTS
403. Office Of The Mayor - John F. Bush
Mayor Bush mentioned a Fundraiser for Coach Ken Brown.
Next, Mayor Bush noted Bryan and Carla Wilson's concern with using carriage horses at
City events.
With discussion on this, Commissioner Krebs remarked, "No need to waste Staff's time;
I will bring a Report back on my own time."
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Next, Mayor Bush then mentioned the Hometown Democracy effort and that he would
send out a summary later and that it will probably be on the ballot in 2010.
REPORTS
404. Commission Seat One - Robert S. Miller
Commissioner Miller mentioned previous comments related to the Fire Union and that he
would add this to the Record and that everyone would get a copy.
Tape I/Side B
Continuing, Commissioner Miller commented on the Financial A ward we just received
and noted, "There is a common denominator though that has - been here throughout all of
this. Commissioners on this dais have come and gone." Commissioner Miller added,
"We continue to get these things and we never got them in the past. The common
denominator, for me, is the man who is sitting to - my left or to your right, the City
Manager. And, I think he deserves a lot of the credit for this because good leaders
assemble good people around them. And it is a really tough thing to do, to find the right
people and consistently to do this. And, all the folks that - are on our Staff are all superb
performers. "
Commissioner Miller continued, "I think Ron McLemore has done a superb job and I
think a lot of these things that we continue to get is because he has chosen a Staff - and
surrounded himself with a group of really fantastic performers. And, I hope our
performers continue to perform the way they have in the past because we have a good
City and we can make it a lot better if we continue on - a positive track."
Discussion.
Manager McLemore noted, "A Manager cannot be successful without a strong
management team, and we have assembled a strong management team."
REPORTS
405. Commission Seat Two - Rick Brown
Commissioner Brown advised the City Commission that he had just been Appointed to
the Executive Council for Leadership Seminole.
Brief discussion.
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REPORTS
406. Commission Seat Three/Deputy Mayor - Donald A. Gilmore
Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore commented, "The only thing 1 would really like to do
at this point is compliment Susie (Coffman, Senior Center Manager, Parks and
Recreation Department) and her Staff at the Senior Center for the fine Event on
Saturday. "
REPORTS
407. Commission Seat Four - Sally McGinnis
Commissioner McGinnis mentioned her serving as the Vice Chair of the Seminole
County Alliance and advised the City Commission to be mindful of needs for community
servIces.
Commissioner McGinnis remarked, "I do want to congratulate our financial Staff. 1 was
proud of that award too - 1 am anxious for the Press Release to just go everywhere."
Further brief comments followed on Press Releases.
REPORTS
408. Commission Seat Five - Joanne M. Krebs
Commissioner Krebs mentioned Commissioner McGinnis's meeting with the owners of
the Winter Springs Golf Course. Further comments.
Commissioner Krebs again congratulated "The Finance Department for ajob well done."
.:. .:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL REPORT WAS
GIVEN NEXT, AS DOCUMENTED. .:..:.
REPORTS
REPORTS
403. Office Of The Mayor - John F. Bush
Mayor Bush commented, "You all got a copy of this petition from the Homeowners of
properties along Northern Way concerning the sidewalks. And - is this something that
the Commission - 1 guess you need to think about it if you want to bring it back up for
discussion or not. But 1 just wante~ - make note that we did receive the Petition."
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Mr. Brian Fields, P.E., City Engineer, Public Works Department mentioned that the
project is out to bid; the project will be corning to the Commission on the second Meeting
in June 2008; and lastly that a Notice will be going out to the Homeowners to let them
know the date of the Meeting. Mayor Bush suggested that those who signed the Petition
be notified.
Next, Mayor Bush said, "I gave you copies of this Resolution Number 2008-29.
Resolution of the City Commission supporting the 'Central Florida Commuter Rail
Project' - 1 would like - for the Commission to, if you have a chance to look at it, to
Approve this Resolution so that we can join with the other cities in the area. This is
through the METROPLAN Advisory Committee that this Resolution carne to support
this. "
"I WOULD DEFINITELY MAKE A MOTION TO SUPPORT THAT - THE WAY
GASOLINE IS GOING NOW, THE ONLY WAY TO GET AROUND IN MOST
MAJOR CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES THIRTY (30) YEARS FROM NOW
IS GOING TO BE A MASSIVE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM."
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR
GILMORE. DISCUSSION.
MAYOR BUSH NOTED, "MOTION IS TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2008-29."
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Mayor Bush asked City Clerk Lorenzo-Luaces, "Will you make sure this gets sent to the
METRO PLAN ORLANDO [Municipal] Advisory [Committee]7" City Clerk Lorenzo-
Luaces nodded affirmatively.
.:..:. AGENDA NOTE: PUBLIC INPUT WAS DISCUSSED AGAIN, IN
ADDITION TO WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY NOTED ON PAGE 2 OF THESE
MINUTES. .:. .:.
PUBLIC INPUT
Mr. Mike Welch, 800 Honeysuckel Lane, Casselberry, Florida: as a Member of the Lake
Monroe Amateur Radio Society, Mr. Welch spoke about children enjoying the fourth of
July festivities and that he would like to see the Event continued.
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Ms. Betty Mignone, 311 Casa Grande Court, Winter Springs, Florida: commented on
the merits of the Senior Center and suggested that Ms. Liz Abitante (Therapy Pool
Specialist, Parks and Recreation Department) should be given a full-time position.
Mr. Bob Henderson, 635 White Ibis Court, Winter Springs, Florida: commented on
fireworks and suggested a three (3) tier process with Winter Springs residents getting in
free, that those in Seminole County would pay more; and those from other areas would
pay even more.
Ms. Carrie E. Weaver, 240 Third Street, Winter Springs, Florida: as a resident who lives
behind the Senior Center, Ms. Weaver was pleased with the Senior Center and Therapy
Pool and suggested that Ms. Liz Abitante (Therapy Pool Specialist, Parks and Recreation
Department) be given a full-time position.
Mr. Arnie Nussbaum, 687 Andover Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke on Agenda
Item '603' and suggested that the Fourth of July Event be done on a smaller scale to
increase morale; spoke of the importance of getting the town together; pro-bono
entertainment; and complimented the City on the Senior Center and the Therapy Pool.
Ms. Isabelle Laub, 1372 Blue Spruce Court, Winter Springs, Florida: remarked about the
Senior Center; spoke of safety concerns and preventing lawsuits; and suggested that Ms.
Liz Abitante (Therapy Pool Specialist, Parks and Recreation Department) be given a full-
time position.
Mr. Grady Smith, 663 Andover Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: Mayor Bush stated, "Is
in favor of the Therapy Pool and does not wish to address the Commission."
Ms. Sherry 0. Smith, 663 Andover Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: Mayor Bush added,
"Sherry Smith also is in favor."
Mayor Bush recognizedformer City Commissioner Edward Martinez, Jr.
Mr. Edward Martinez, Jr., 205 Little Creek Lane, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke of
leadership of the Commission; the Ad Hoc Winter Springs Citizen Property Tax Reform
Mitigation Study Committee; the Sunshine Law; previous comments by the City
Commission; and that he supported Consent Agenda Item "201" and Agenda Item
Regular "603".
Mr. James B. Moriarty, 1376 White Oak Drive, Winter Springs, Florida: as a Member of
the Rotary Club, Mr. Moriarty commented that the Rotary Club enjoyed supporting the
kids activities at previous Fourth of July Events and asked that the Event be held for this
year, even if at a reduced scale.
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Mr. Jeff McCall: representing the Winter Springs Professional Firefighters, Mr. McCall
commented on the proposed consolidation of the Fire Department; that they wanted to be
involved in the process; and remarked about other area Fire Departments.
Discussion.
Mayor Bush inquired, "At what point - will the Union, actually the Firefighters, let alone
the Union, would be involved in what is going on?"
Manager McLemore commented, "State Law says that you have to meet with your Union
and discuss impacts of Consolidation. That's exactly what we've planned to do. We've
had discussions already; I've heard his comments - we're certainly taking those into
consideration. But, by Law, we have to meet with them and hear what their issues are.
And that's exactly what we plan to do. We're becoming more and more intelligent about
what actually this thing would look like on a daily basis now. I understand what Jeffs
(McCall) issues are and we will have further formal discussions about those in the
immediate days ahead."
Mr. Bob Rucci, 673 Turkey Hollow Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: Mayor Bush said,
"He is in favor of [Consent] '200' and [Regular] '603'- does not wish to address the
Commission. "
Ms. Kathy Holloway, 705 Glasgow Court, Winter Springs, Florida: Mayor Bush
remarked, "And also, I have a letter here, just turned in from Kathy Holloway." Mayor
Bush continued, "You are speaking in favor of the Therapy Pool position."
Ms. Constance McCahan, 1537 Braewick Street, Winter Springs, Florida: also suggested
that Ms. Liz Abitante (Therapy Pool Specialist, Parks and Recreation Department) be
given a full-time position at the Senior Center.
Ms. Ethel Beecher, 1207 Winter Springs Boulevard, Winter Springs, Florida: suggested
that if the City can only have one event, that it be the Fourth of July.
Mayor Bush called a Recess at 6:41 p.m.
Mayor Bush called the Special Meeting back to Order at 6:50 p.m.
Tape 2/Side A
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PUBLIC HEARINGS AGENDA
PUBLIC HEARINGS
500. Community Development Department - Planning Division
Requests The City Commission Hold A Public Hearing For The Aesthetic Review
Of The Proposed Fence Modification Between IDC Buildings #4 And #17 And The
Adjacent Kingsbury Residence, Within The Town Center.
Mr. Randy Stevenson, ASLA, AICP, Director, Community Development Department
presented this Agenda Item.
Brief discussion.
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
No one spoke.
Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
"MOTION TO APPROVE - 500." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BROWN. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
501. Not Used.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
502. Community Development Department - Planning Division
Requests The City Commission Conduct A Public Hearing For The 2nd Reading
And Adoption Of Ordinance 2008-09, Which Redefines The City Boundaries Of
Winter Springs To Include Lands Previously Annexed By The City And Provides
For Incorporation Into The City Charter.
Ms. Latorre read Ordinance 2008-09 by "Title" only.
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Ms. Eloise Sahlstrom, AICP, ASLA, Senior Planner, Community Development
Department introduced this Agenda Item for discussion.
Commissioner Miller asked for assurance that the specifications are accurate. Ms.
Sahlstrom stated, "The Consultant has gone through this and Kip (Lockcuff, P.E.,
Director, Public WorkslUtility Departments) has gone through it as well; and both Kip
(Lockcuff) and the Consultant have indicated this is in fact our description."
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
No one spoke.
Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
"I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM '502'." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER MILLER. MAYOR BUSH STATED, "SECONDED BY
COMMISSIONER BROWN." DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
.:..:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING TWO (2) AGENDA ITEMS,
PREVIOUSL Y LISTED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WERE DISCUSSED
NEXT AS PART OF THE REGULAR AGENDA, FOLLOWED BY THE
ORIGINAL REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS, AS DOCUMENTED. .:..:.
REGULAR AGENDA
FORMERLY LISTED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA
Parks And Recreation Department
Requesting The City Commissions Approval To Change The Part-Time Therapy
Pool Specialist Position To A Full-Time Position And To Hire Liz Abitante For This
Position.
Mr. Chuck Pula, Director, Parks and Recreation Department spoke on this Agenda Item.
Commissioner McGinnis remarked, "I think we are lucky to have Liz (Abitante, Therapy
Pool Specialist, Parks and Recreation Department).
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Commissioner Krebs asked if Mr. Pula had considered Volunteers doing some of the
needed work. Mr. Pula agreed.
Continuing, Commissioner Krebs said to Ms. Liz Abitante, Therapy Pool Specialist,
Parks and Recreation Department, "All I hear is just great stuff - thank you for doing the
great job that you are doing. And we always hear wonderful things - about Susie
(Coffman)."
Further discussion.
"I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER BROWN. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS.
DISCUSSION.
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE NOTED, "WE ARE APPROVING THE HIRING
OF AN INDIVIDUAL, AND I DON'T THINK THAT IS OUR JOB. I THINK WE
NEED TO AUTHORIZE THE POSITION GOING FROM PART-TIME TO
FULL-TIME. "
MANAGER McLEMORE NOTED, "YOU ARE TECHNICALLY CORRECT.
WE'RE REALLY SAYING THAT THE EMPLOYEE THAT HAS ALREADY
BEEN CHOSEN BY PARKS [AND RECREATION DEPRTMENT] IS DOING AN
OUTSTANDING JOB AND WE'RE TRYING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT TO
YOU. WE'RE NOT REALLY ASKING FOR YOUR AUTHORIZATION TO
HIRE HER - WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS YOUR AUTHORIZATION TO FUND
THE POSITION FULL-TIME."
"THAT IS THE AMENDMENT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE - THAT WE
ARE AUTHORIZING A FULL-TIME POSITION." AMENDMENT TO THE
MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE.
MAYOR BUSH NOTED THAT THE AMENDMENT WAS "AUTHORIZING
FULL-TIME."
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE: (ON THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION)
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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VOTE: (ON THE MAIN MOTION, AS AMENDED)
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
FORMERLY LISTED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA
Information Services Department
Requesting A Supplemental Appropriation In The Amount Of $37,263.00 And
Authorization To Proceed With Air-Pak As The Vendor For Server Room AlC And
Electrical Work.
Ms. Joanne Dalka, Director, Information Services Department presented this Agenda
Item for discussion and reviewed various aspects with the City Commission.
Discussion.
With discussion on the ownership of Air-Pak Services, Inc., Ms. Dalka noted, "I have a
signed statement which is notarized stating that he is sole owner - that Mr. Gray is sole
owner, Paul Michael Gray and I have also got his Articles of Incorporation showing that
he has one hundred percent (100%) ownership in this company; if you would like to see
them." Commissioner Brown suggested, "I would like it entered into the Record." Ms.
Dalka stated, "Okay." Further discussion.
Commissioner Krebs stated, "I want to thank Joanne (Dalka) for taking the initiative to
call me as well. I don't know if she called everybody else - just to see if we have
questions. I really like that - and you [Joanne Dalka] do it quite often, when you have an
item coming up and I appreciate that."
With additional discussion, Deputy Mayor Gilmore suggested there be a program for a
data center/computer room to meet future requirements in the long run.
"MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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600. Community Development Department
Requests The Commission Consider A Conceptual Development Plan For A 60,104
SF (Square Foot) Retail And Office Development On 7.29 Acres, Located On The
North Side Of SR (State Road) 434, At The Northwest Corner Of Its Intersection
With Fountaintree Drive, Immediately Adjacent To And West Of Harbor Winds.
Mr. John Baker, AICP, Senior Planner, Community Development Department introduced
this Conceptual Plan for discussion.
Mr. Baker noted, "You have Lake Talmo here, the former Golf Terrace Apartments is up
here, and Harbor Winds is over here. You have a two (2) story, 46,000 square foot
building here with retail on the first floor and office on the second floor; and then the
smaller single-story buildings here - it would be real nice and we're kind of hoping that
they can have a night-time restaurant in here. We think it would be a really good feature.
They couldn't have a day-time sit-down restaurant there because of the lack of parking.
There are 200 parking spaces and that would accommodate what they have, with the
office and the retail in the daytime, but to have a restaurant, they would have to do it at
night when the offices were closed down.
In your packet, you will notice there was a letter from VHB (Vanasse Hangen Brustlin,
Inc.) Engineering - the people representing the Fountain Tree, the former Golf Terrace.
There are concerns that were raised that need to be addressed during the Final
Engineering; there are some important concerns there, but these are concerns that should
be addressed during the Final Engineering; that we should keep them in mind, but they
are not show-stoppers at this level.
This is a very good plan. We've got a couple of things we wanted to point out. They've
got more of the compact spaces than the Code currently allows. We would support a
variation from that, and there is some very minor, if you look where this jogs out, there
are some very minor incursions over the buffer; there are no pilings put into the fifty foot
(50') buffer around the lake, but there's a platform that goes out over that buffer just a
very minor bit, so we need to address that in some form or manner."
Commissioner Miller said, "Talking about restaurants and things like that, and these are
going to front on Lake Talmo which may not be the greatest looking lake right now; but
if they were to use that for restaurant purposes, how would that work, given the
appearance or maybe I misunderstood what you said - how would that work, in an
appearance like that?"
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Mr. Baker answered by saying, "Well, I believe the restaurant would go into one (1) of
the single story buildings." Commissioner Miller then stated, "So, in other words, it
would be on the other side of those buildings?" Mr. Baker answered, "No Sir, this is the
two (2) story building." Commissioner Miller inquired, "So, is building 1 also a two (2)
story building?" Mr. Baker responded, "No Sir, there are two (2) single story buildings,
and then the large building is the two (2) story building."
Commissioner Miller noted, "I thought building 3, the office building was two (2) story?
Which is what it says, then the Plan that I have (unless you gave me an outdated Plan), it
says that Building I is a one (1) story retail, Building 2 is a one (1) story retail." Mr.
Baker responded, "Yes, Sir."
Continuing, Commissioner Miller asked, "So, if that is the rear, that's the North side of
Building 2, why is it two (2) floors?" Commissioner Brown stated, "It is Building 3."
Commissioner Miller stated, "I'm looking for the north side of Building 1 and the north
side of Building 2. I am sorry you are putting stuff up that is probably not in here - so,
the question is, 'Is the north side of buildings 1 and 2, if that is what restaurants are going
to be, I just want to make sure that some thought has been given by Staff to the fact that
if a restaurant was - if this project - could be improved, is it going to be possible, the way
we are looking at, the way we are considering this right now, to be able to have
restaurants on the north side of these buildings which would face the lake, so that at some
point - if the lake was cleaned up a little bit and dressed up, it would be fun for people to
go and eat there'; because should we be eating outdoors in a nice environment, like we
were trying to do here in the Town Center in certain areas."
Mr. Baker suggested, "If we could have the Applicant address that, but I believe that it
would be all the way through that building."
Commissioner Miller commented, "The north face of that building is just a flat wall,
where I am sure there is going to be air conditioning systems and trash cans and stuff like
that out there. Now, I haven't actually gone out there and walked out and taken a look at
that, right now in terms of this, but my concern was if we are going to have restaurants in
there, has some thought been given that it may be good to think about the back side of
that, the north side of that building?"
Mr. Michael Hilal, MTH Development, LLe., 1101 North Maitland Avenue, Maitland,
Florida: stated, "I'm the Developer of this Project. The air conditioning units and
anything - associated with it, would actually be on the roof; you wouldn't be able to see
them from the back."
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With further discussion, Mr. Hilal explained, "Well, actually building 1 and 2 are
exclusively retail." Mr. Miller questioned further, "And restaurants?" Mr. Hilal added,
"And restaurants. Restaurant is included in retail." Mr. Miller suggested, "I think you
should give some - this is just an observation that I am making." Mr. Hilal stated, "What
hasn't been shown on these yet is that there are a lot more windows facing the lake..."
Commissioner Miller added, "... Than what is depicted here?" Mr. Hilal stated, "Than
what is depicted here." Commissioner Miller then said, "I think we need to have the
most current - that you're talking about if we are going to comment on this; we obviously
don't have it."
Furthermore, Commissioner Miller remarked, "I just came back from a week in Europe,
in Switzerland - they go out of their way to make beautiful settings to eat outdoors. Now,
we can't eat outdoors here at certain times of the year. I know we are not going to do it at
certain times, but there are other times of the year when people want to sit outside, and if
you eliminate the possibility altogether, then it will never happen. And I am not trying to
tell you how to do your business, I am just making an observation here that because it is
fronting a lake, it is something maybe you might want to think about. Go back and take a
look at it, and if it makes sense, think about it; if it doesn't, then, this is the way it will
look. "
Mr. Farid Tawil!, Tawil! Engineering, Inc., 8606 Bay Shore Cove, Orlando, Florida:
stated, "I'm the Civil Engineer. I'm not the Architect of this. Our initial plans that show
a Boardwalk outside in the back of these Buildings 1 and 2, even though the Boardwalk
would not be constructed by piers, it would be constructed cantilevered-type; but the City
Staff rejected that Boardwalk idea. We want to envision that, sitting outside and have
that; and even we have the concept where most of the trees would be preserved; where
this boardwalk would be built around those trees."
Commissioner Miller said, "I am sorry to hear that happened."
Mr. Tawill further noted, "But because it is an encroachment into the fifty foot (50')
setback, the buffer, so we eliminated that. The initial Plan it shows that, the Boardwalk.
We would love to have that idea, the Boardwalk."
Commissioner Miller then asked, "Is it not possible to? I would like to see that. I would
like to see that revisited if we could - work the details."
Mayor Bush suggested, "Why don't we have Staff tell us why they rejected it?" Mr.
Baker explained, "The Comprehensive Plan as noted in your Agenda Item has a fifty foot
(50') upland buffer."
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Mr. Baker continued, "Weare not proposing to encroach in the wetlands, but there is a
minor encroachment with this cantilevered walkway into the fifty foot (50') buffer, very
minor, and we felt that it was acceptable; because typically around a lake, you could have
some sort of a walkway down to the lake, and even a dock or a gazebo out into the lake
which would also be an encroachment. We felt that this very minor encroachment that
they were showing right in just a little bit of these comers, was far less than what they
would do if they had a dock or gazebo in the lake. They aren't putting any pilings into
that, but they are cantilevered out over it."
Commissioner Miller stated, "I think something like this will make this a destination for
people to go and visit; to eat; to sit around and 1 think we need to take another look at
this. 1 don't know where you are on this? You may not want to go forward on this? 1
understand that 1 am just - 1 understand 1 wasn't aware of this. It never got to me. 1 am
just voicing an opinion of this. 1 would like to see this brought back and quickly, if you
are under - if you are ready to go on bidding. 1 would like to see it brought back quickly
and let us take a look at it."
Commissioner McGinnis stated, "I agree with Commissioner Miller. 1 believe - you
chose not to bring it forth at another meeting, Correct?" Mr. Tawill asked, "The
Boardwalk?" Commissioner McGinnis stated, "Your whole Agenda Item." Mr. Hilal
responded, "Yes."
Commissioner McGinnis stated, "I think it is exciting. 1 am delighted. 1 want to see this
happen soon. This really is the Gateway to our City - that Project is, and so, how it looks
is really important. 1 cannot tell anything of course from these drawings. This looks like
building blocks - 1 am hoping we can get a better rendition of this. This looks like - a kit
put together. If you have something else, 1 would love to see it."
Mr. Hilal said, "I really didn't want to bring these out yet, because they are not final."
With further comments, Commissioner McGinnis answered, "You know, we are very
strong on aesthetics. So, you know what you are in for. Right?" Mr. Hilal stated,
"Actually, Mr. Baker here advised us of that before we even brought anything to him -
that Architectural Review would be very stringent."
Commissioner Krebs added, "I believe you wanted to show something." Mr. Hilal noted,
"These are preliminary."
With further comments, Commissioner McGinnis stated, "Are these concepts, or what is
this?" Mr. Baker noted, "Again, this is just a concept review. This is not Final
Engineering or Aesthetic Review." Commissioner McGinnis said, "I understand." Mr.
Hilal explained, "These are what our Architect has envisioned thus far."
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Discussion.
Commissioner Krebs stated, "I thought before you said that there wouldn't be enough
room for - I understand what Commissioner Miller is saying, but I thought you said there
wouldn't be an opportunity for eateries there because of the parking problem?" Mr.
Tawill explained, "What Mr. Baker was referring to, was that it wouldn't be a full-day
restaurant; it would be evenings only; I think - 4 [p.m.] or 5 p.m."
Mr. Baker noted, "Because of the limited parking area, they couldn't have a sit-down
restaurant during the day when the businesses were open; there wouldn't be enough
room. But, if they limited the restaurant until after the offices closed, they would have
adequate parking, and of course, that would be helped by having the bus stop."
Commissioner Krebs stated, "I am just concerned as to a bus stop. I mean you know
people. I am just concerned as to - you are limiting yourself as to who you could get
under those circumstances to even open up a restaurant."
Mr. Hilal stated, stated, "Me personally, I would love to have - all day, all night
restaurants there' - just like an Olive Garden, or maybe a Carrabba's or something like
that - I really don't have anybody yet. And - more or less, we are just trying to comply
with City guidelines."
Commissioner Krebs stated, "Yes, but I guess to John's (Baker) point, you probably have
it built so that you are utilizing as much space as possible there for retail; therefore
needing all of those parking spaces - unless you were willing to not have some of that;
and have more parking space. Then, you could have an all day restaurant; but, I am sure
that is not where you are going. You know what I don't like about that? I just don't like
those pieces that just go up making it look like it is something but it is really not - where
it doesn't go back far. That is just me - I just do not like it - it is a fayade and - just to me
looks cheap. "
Mr. Hilal noted, "Again, this is not how it would really look, it is a computer generated
drawing. "
Commissioner Krebs said, "I know you don't want to show that. I am just saying that
about that. Since this is conceptual - you are probably getting our ideas and I was just
throwing out one of my ideas."
Mr. Tawill stated, "I'm sure you have seen your Town Center." Commissioner Krebs
answered, "Yes, I have." Mr. Tawill noted, "Pretty much one hundred percent (100%) of
it is fayade; except for the two (2) floor buildings." Commissioner Krebs commented
that, "In the beginning of it, I think we knew we don't have two (2) stories there."
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Commissioner Krebs then noted, "Going forward, I don't think you are going to see that
at all. I think you are going to see two (2) stories. I think you are going to see residential
on top, You are not going to see - you know what piece I am talking about. Those are
my comments."
Manager McLemore said, "I am going to call on Commissioner Brown to help me out
here. But, as I understand it, you wanted to have outdoor dining, but there is no room for
outdoor dining." Mr. Hilil responded, "We would like to, if the City would give us a
Variance." Manager McLemore explained, "My understanding is that outdoor dining is a
very, very important component of a restaurant today in terms of financial success, so,
please correct me if I'm wrong..." Commissioner Brown remarked, "... You are right."
Furthermore, Manager McLemore noted, "So, with the investment that you are making
here, with the idea of trying to bring in a restaurant, I think we need to go the extra mile
before you invest your money in there, to see if we can accomplish that outdoor dining.
Now, I don't know what that answer is right now, but I think it is hugely important to
what you are trying to do there." Mr. Hilal remarked, "We would love to have it."
Manager McLemore said, "I don't have any answers for you right now; I'm just saying I
think we need to dig in and see if we can come up with a way to make it happen. So,
that's my recommendation is to just try again; see if we can come up with some way to
make it happen, and put this on hold for a week or two (2)."
Next, Deputy Mayor Gilmore stated, "I have a little concern on stormwater retention, in
the first drawings that we received a couple months ago and you pulled it off, you
showed underground storage." Mr. Tawill responded, "Correct".
Deputy Mayor Gilmore said, "I presume that is still here today, and I noticed that in the
comments that have been attached - the one that was attached to this from VHB (Vanasse
Hangen Brustlin, Inc.); they bring up concerns about your underground stormwater
retention. This one brings up concerns about your stormwater retention, and if I
remember correctly, a lot of your stormwater retention was under the wooden platform
area that Commissioner Miller was talking about. Now, where is this stormwater
retention going to be? And, what bothers me, it is being questioned and I would certainly
think that would have been solved before this came before the Commission for concept,
because any change there is going to change your concept."
Mr. Tawill answered, "The stormwater was initially and always have been in the back of
Building 3." Deputy Mayor Gilmore said, "In the parking lot." Mr. Tawill responded,
"Correct." Deputy Mayor Gilmore then asked, "How are you going to keep that from
plugging?"
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Furthermore, Mr. Tawill explained, "There are three (3) alternatives that we are working
with the Geotechnical Engineer - one of them is exfiltration trenches; the other one is a
vault; and the third one is the infiltrators. We haven't decided yet which alternative we
will use, but everyone of them has a system that could be checked periodically and will
be cleaned up."
Deputy Mayor Gilmore noted, "This is for the Commissioners - this was an interest and a
concern on the church that we heard the last time, because it had underground water
retention too - Starlight (Baptist Church) had the same concern - and I noticed it has been
addressed by your neighbors." Mr. Tawill commented, "In the second letter that you
showed me, that is my response to the letter correct - and I did address the storm water
system. "
Mr. Fields answered, "The only thing I'd like to add to that one is that, underground
ex filtration chambers are in use in the City. They are higher maintenance; they are higher
costs to install. Two (2) projects that have them - one is the West End Center, it's under
the parking area; the other one is Tuskawilla Square - the Alex Strings project. Those are
just two (2) of them. The Highlands Apartments also has it; Hayes Road Plaza was
approved - not yet built with it. It's very common, especially - with land prices to
maximize land use to go to the underground exfiltration; it does require more
maintenance, more inspection, and if not inspected it can cause problems; but, it's
certainly permittable by the St. John's River Water Management District and it can be
effective..." Deputy Mayor Gilmore added, ".. .As long as it is being looked at real
close."
Continuing, Mr. Fields noted, "This has not been submitted for Final Engineering. We
haven't reviewed any calculations on it yet. We would, as a part of final design."
Commissioner McGinnis commented, "Thank you Mr. City Manager because I think the
issue is outdoor dining and I think we can probably reach an agreement here. We need
something like this in that neighborhood very badly. I can also suggest that it would be
wonderful to have a place to have breakfast, so maybe you might consider breakfast and
dinner. Now, when you talk about - when you mention words like Olive Garden and
Carrabba's, my blood goes cold, because that would make me sad. I hope you make
every effort to find a non-chain; if you could find a mom and pop endeavor - that would
just be such a wonderful addition to our City. If you can't, that's fine, I will still go
there." Mr. Hilal said, "No, those were just examples I was using."
Furthermore, Commissioner McGinnis said, "I know. That is my bias. You have to hear
it. I envision the Town Center being all owner-operated. But, - that is not life." Mr.
Hilal said, "We would love to have any tenant that is willing to - utilize our space."
Commissioner McGinnis stated, " I know."
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Next, Mr. Hilal said, "With regard to the - outdoor patio, it's not our choice not to include
it. It's against Code, according to what is written in the statutes." Commissioner
McGinnis then inquired, "When is the anticipated completion of this road that
Casselberry is doing? Do you happen to know when that is going to come through?" Mr.
Fields answered, "Probably a couple months away. Winter Park Drive, new Winter Park
Drive, City of Casselberry's project connecting to [State Road] 434 - probably several
months out."
Discussion followed on a new Winter Springs restaurant that serves breakfast.
Commissioner Miller stated, "Gentlemen, this is a nice looking project. I hope you will
work with Staff. I would like to see - the decks come back, I hope you can work
something out on that." Mr. Hilal stated, "If we could get a Variance." Commissioner
Miller noted, "Well, I think the City Manager said that we are willing to work with you
on this, we'll see what can be done." Furthermore, Commissioner Miller offered, "If a
way can be found, I would like to see us work very hard to find that way."
"MOTION TO ACCEPT
COMMISSIONER KREBS.
DISCUSSION.
THE CONCEPTUAL..." MOTION BY
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BROWN."
COMMISSIONER MILLER NOTED, "...WITH ALL THE COMMENTS
MADE..." COMMISSIONER KREBS ADDED, "...YES, INCORPORATING
ALL THE COMMENTS."
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REGULAR
601. Public Works Department
Requesting The City Commission Consider A Request From Hacienda Village To
Fund The St. Johns River Water Management District Permit For The Gee Creek
Bank Stabilization Project In The Amount Of $500.00.
Mr. Fields spoke first on this Agenda Item.
Discussion.
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"MOTION TO DENY FUNDING THE FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS ($500.00)."
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER
MILLER. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REGULAR
602. Community Development Department
Requests The City Commission Consider Dates For A Workshop To Discuss
Leadership In Energy And Environmental Design (LEED) Concepts And Tools.
Mr. Stevenson began the discussion on this Agenda Item and the proposed Workshop and
noted, "We are working with a number of professionals including the Architect that was
mentioned during that meeting, to get them there for this meeting."
With brief discussion, Mayor Bush suggested, Monday, "July 21 st [2008] - a possible date
and you will confirm this then Randy (Stevenson)?" Mr. Stevenson stated, "Yes."
Mayor Bush asked the City Commission, "All the Commission in favor of the [July] 21 st
[2008]?" Commissioner Krebs noted, "Yes." Deputy Mayor Gilmore stated, "Yes." No
objections were voiced.
Continuing, Commissioner Krebs and Mayor Bush suggested the Workshop commence
at "6:30 [p.m.]." Mayor Bush then asked Mr. Stevenson how long the Workshop might
last? Mr. Stevenson suggested, "1 would allot at least a couple of hours; so maybe two
and a half (2 ~) hours."
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603. Parks And Recreation Department
Requests That The City Commission Reconsider Approval And Funding The July 4
Celebration Of Freedom On A Reduced Smaller Scale.
Mr. Pula introduced this Agenda Item.
Much discussion.
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Discussion followed on a previous Motion.
Commissioner Miller suggested that Staff bring back in the next two (2) weeks an
Informational Agenda Item related to the approximate attendance at the last two (2) or
three (3) events; with the idea of what would we need to charge so the event would pay
for itself.
Further discussion.
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Discussion followed on possible ways to fund a Fourth of July event.
Commissioner Miller added that he would again like to see this issue brought back in two
(2) weeks as an Informational Agenda Item, and he would like to know if anyone wanted
to help sponsor this event.
Discussion continued.
"I WILL MAKE A MOTION - THAT WE EMPOWER OUR PARKS AND
RECREATION DEPARTMENT TO DO WHAT THEY CAN TO BRING THE
COST DOWN. WE THEN MAKE A COMMITTMENT TO MOVE FORWARD
WITH THIS AND ENLISTING THE ROTARY AND ALL THE OTHER
ENTITIES THAT HAVE PLEDGED SUPPORT AND THAT THE CITY WILL
FUND THE REMAINDER FOR THIS YEAR OF THIS EVENT." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS.
MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
Further discussion.
"I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT IF THE CITY MANAGER CAN
COME BACK WITHIN THE NEXT FOURTEEN (14) DAYS WITH A PLAN,
EVEN ON A MORE SCALED DOWN LEVEL THAT SHOWS THAT WE CAN
DO THIS THROUGH BEING TOT ALLY REVENUE NEUTRAL AND VENDOR
ADVERTISING, SPONSORSHIP, AND GATE FEE AND PARKING FEE
SUPPORTED, THAT WE GO FORWARD. OTHERWISE, WE LET THE ISSUE
DIE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN. SECONDED BY
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REGULAR
604. Office Of Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs
Requesting That The Mayor And City Commission Consider The Florida League
Of Cities "Cities Of Excellence" Award Program For 2008.
Commissioner Krebs introduced this Agenda Item for discussion.
"BECAUSE OF HIS CONTRIBUTION TO OUR CITY THROUGH HIS
OUTSTANDIING CIVIC COMMITMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE
COMMISSIONER BROWN FOR 'COUNCIL MEMBER OF THE YEAR'."
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KREBS.
MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
"I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE ANDREA (LORENZO-LUACES) FOR 'CITY
CLERK OF THE YEAR'." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KREBS.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BROWN. DISCUSSION.
CITY CLERK LORENZO-LUACES STATED, "I WOULD RESPECTFULLY
DECLINE - THANK YOU."
COMMISSIONER KREBS STATED, "I WILL WITHDRAW THE MOTION."
In other City business, regarding recognizing the City's Advisory Board and Committee
Members, Commissioner McGinnis suggested, "If we could come up with some kind of a
thank you, recognition of the work done by all our volunteers for the last year, I think it
would be in order."
Commissioner McGinnis continued and suggested, "A Certificate and having them all
come to City Hall one night and have cake."
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Mayor Bush asked, "Do you want to recommend this be an Agenda Item and be brought
back for the next Meeting?"
"SO MOVED." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. SECONDED BY
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE. DISCUSSION.
MA YOR BUSH NOTED, "MOTION TO BRING THE VOLUNTEER PROGRAM
- WHICH MAY INCLUDE A DINNER, WHICH MAY NOT."
VOTE:
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
.:..:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING REGULAR AGENDA ITEM WAS
AGAIN DISCUSSED, AS DOCUMENTED. .:. .:.
REGULAR AGENDA
REGULAR
604. Office Of Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs
Requesting That The Mayor And City Commission Consider The Florida League
Of Cities "Cities Of Excellence" Award Program For 2008.
Mayor Bush said, "Even though I cannot make the Motion, I would like the Commission
to consider recommending our Manager for "'[City] Manager of the Year' - Florida
League of Cities."
"I WILL MAKE THE MOTION." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER.
SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE. DISCUSSION.
MAYOR BUSH EXPLAINED, "TO RECOMMEND MR. McLEMORE FOR
'CITY MANAGER OF THE YEAR'."
MANAGER McLEMORE REMARKED, "I WOULD BE HONORED BY THAT."
MANAGER McLEMORE THEN STATED, "BUT, IF THAT WAS YOUR WISH, I
WOULD CERTAINLY WANT TO DO THAT. I WOULD NOT WANT TO DO
THAT ON A SPLIT VOTE."
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: NAY
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN : NAY
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
MAYOR BUSH NOTED, "MOTION PASSED, BUT IN LIGHT OF MR.
McLEMORE'S STATEMENT, I THINK THAT HE IS DECLINING BASED ON
IT WAS NOT A UNANIMOUS VOTE. CORRECT?" MANAGER McLEMORE
RESPONDED, "THAT'S CORRECT."
Deputy Mayor Gilmore then suggested, "May I recommend that we give this - a little
consideration again, and then maybe bring it up again at the next Commission Meeting to
see if we have any others that we are interested in."
Mayor Bush noted, "You can always bring it up under your Seat." Deputy Mayor
Gilmore said, "Then I will do that."
ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Bush adjourned the Special Meeting at 8:42 p.m.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED:
ANDREA LORENZO-LUACES, CMC
CITY CLERK
APPROVED:
MA YOR JOHN F. BUSH
NOTE: These Minutes were approved at the
Regular City Commission Meeting.
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CALL TO ORDER
The Special Meeting of Tuesday, May 27, 2008 of the City Commission was called to
Order by Mayor John F. Bush at 5:15 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the
Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida
32708).
Roll Call:
Mayor John F. Bush, present
Deputy Mayor Donald A. Gilmore, present
Commissioner Robert S. Miller, present
Commissioner Rick Brown, present
Commissioner Sally McGinnis, present
Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs, present
City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, present
City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, absent
Assistant City Attorney Kate Latorre, arrived at 5:16 p.m.
A moment of silence was followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.
Assistant Ciry Attorney Kate Latorre arrived at 5:16 p. m.
"I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT WE PULL CONSENT `201' TO THE
REGULAR AGENDA AND THE WE PULL IN ITS ENTIRETY, REGULAR
[AGENDA ITEM] `603'." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
MAYOR BUSH NOTED, "`201' CAN BE PUT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA,
NO PROBLEM. NOW, `603' COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER BROWN
HAS MADE AMOTION - TO REMOVE `603' SINCE IT HAS NOT ALREADY
BEEN ADDRESSED."
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: NAY
COMMISSIONER MILLER: NAY
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: NAY
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION DID NOT CARRY.
Mayor Bush complimented Commissioner Rick Brown for his work with the Boys Town
of Florida in Oviedo and for serving on the Board. Mayor Bush added, "Congratulations
Commissioner Brown."
City Manager Ronald W. McLemore acknowledged Ms. Michelle Greco, Director,
Finance Department and Ms. Kelly Balagia, Budget Analyst, Finance Department for
their work on the Budget Presentation Award. You got a Memorandum from me very
recently saying that we accomplished this Award on the first try, which is very unusual."
Manager McLemore added, "Kelly (Balagia) and Michelle (Greco) made a commitment
to try to do it and they did it on the first try. And that's an extremely commendable piece
of work."
Mayor Bush noted, "Congratulations Michelle (Greco)...." Commissioner Sally
McGinnis asked, "...Did you do a Press Release..." Manager McLemore replied, "...It's
going to go out tomorrow..." Mayor Bush then said, "...And Kelly (Balagia)."
Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs remarked, "You know I sent you congrats and really,
good work; good job!" Commissioner Krebs added, "Congratulations!
Manager McLemore remarked, "Kelly (Balagia) just dug in and made the commitment to
get it done and she's put in a lot of extra hours at no extra pay, to get it done."
Mayor Bush then commented, "We are proud of you. Thanks very much."
Mayor Bush said, "Commissioners, we have one (1) person who has asked to address the
Commission early because they have another engagement. If you have no objection,
Mary Pando from the Oviedo-Winter Springs Life Magazine would like to address the
Commission. Is that acceptable?" Commissioner Brown remarked, "Yes."
Commissioner McGinnis added, "Yes."
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•• AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING PUBLIC INPUT WAS HELD AT
THIS POINT DURING THE MEETING, AS DOCUMENTED, AND LATER IN
THE MEETING, AS SHOWN ON PAGES 9 AND 10 OF THESE MINUTES. •3.3
PUBLIC INPUT
Ms. Mary Pando, Editor/Publisher, Oviedo-Winter Springs Life, 121 Forest Trail,
Oviedo, Florida: spoke on the merits of having a 4'I' of July celebration as an investment
in "Community".
INFORMATIONAL AGENDA
INFORMATIONAL
100. Community Development Department
Advising The City Commission Of The Status Of Various Current Planning
Projects.
No discussion.
INFORMATIONAL
101. Finance Department And Office Of The City Manager
Announce That The City Of Winter Springs Has Received The Distinguished
Budget Presentation Award For The First Time.
Brief discussion.
"MOTION TO APPROVE" [INFORMATIONAL AGENDA]. MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER MILLER. SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE.
DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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• • AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS
WERE DISCUSSED NEXT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY IN THE ORDER
DOCUMENTED. • •
CONSENT AGENDA
CONSENT
200. Parks And Recreation Department
Requesting The City Commissions Approval To Change The Part-Time Therapy
Pool Specialist Position To A Full-Time Position And To Hire Liz Abitante For This
Position.
With brief discussion on this Agenda Item, Mayor Bush suggested, "We have got several
people who want to speak on this item -maybe we should pull it off." Mayor Bush then
noted, "So, we will move `200' to the Regular Agenda as well." Commissioner
McGinnis stated, "Okay." No objections were voiced.
CONSENT
201. Information Services Department
Requesting A Supplemental Appropriation In The Amount Of $37,263.00 And
Authorization To Proceed With Air-Pak As The Vendor For Server Room A/C And
Electrical Work.
As noted earlier in the Meeting, this Agenda Item was moved to the Regular Agenda.
CONSENT
202. Not Used.
CONSENT
203. Police Department
Requests The Commission To Approve The Donation Of $150.00 From The
Georgetowne HOA (Homeowner's Association).
Brief discussion.
Mayor Bush said, "So, [Consent] `200' and [Consent] `201' have been moved to the
Regular Agenda. Motion to Approve?"
"MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. DISCUSSION.
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
300. Finance Department
Requesting City Commission Acceptance Of The Comprehensive Annual Financial
Report (CAFR), As Presented, For The Fiscal Year Ended September 30, 2007.
Ms. Kelly Leary, Auditor, McDirmit Davis and Company, LLC., 605 East Robinson
Street, Suite 635, Orlando, Florida: spoke on the Comprehensive Annual Financial
Report (CAFR).
Discussion.
Ms. Leary commented, "Overall, the -City looks great compared to other cities; the trend
of the City is -positive."
Ratios were addressed next, to which Mayor Bush asked, "Is this in the Report that you
have got right there?" Ms. Leary replied, "It is not." With continued discussion,
Manager McLemore noted, "It is important to -understand that that is a ratio
computation." Furthermore, Manager McLemore explained, "These are ratio
computations, they are not absolute dollars -because that is the reason it stayed stable, as
our Budget overall has grown."
Discussion.
Commissioner Krebs asked, "What cities are we compared to? I know you keep saying
other cities or cities this size. Do we have names of cities?" Ms. Leary replied, "I don't
have that page with me. I can send it to Michelle (Greco)." Commissioner Krebs stated,
"Please. I would like to see -who we are being..." Ms. Leary said, "...Compared to?"
Commissioner Krebs said, "Yes."
Commissioner Robert S. Miller said to Ms. Leary, "I really wanted to compliment you on
one (1) chart, and that was on our debt."
Further discussion.
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"MOTION TO APPROVE - TO ACCEPT." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER
McGINNIS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
MAYOR BUSH NOTED, MOTION TO APPROVE THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE
COMPREHENSIVE ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT."
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REPORTS
REPORTS
400. Office Of The City Attorney -Anthony A. Garganese, Esquire
Assistant City Attorney Latorre stated, "No Report."
REPORTS
401. Office Of The City Manager -Ronald W. McLemore
No Report.
REPORTS
402. Office Of The City Clerk -Andrea Lorenzo-Luaces, CMC
City Clerk Andrea Lorenzo-Luaces advised the City Commission that she was planning
on bringing them an Agenda Item related to expiring Advisory Board Re-Appointments
at the next Regular City Commission Meeting.
REPORTS
403. Office Of The Mayor -John F. Bush
Mayor Bush mentioned a Fundraiser for Coach Ken Brown.
Next, Mayor Bush noted Bryan and Carla Wilson's concern with using carriage horses at
City events.
With discussion on this, Commissioner Krebs remarked, "No need to waste Staff's time;
I will bring a Report back on my own time."
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Next, Mayor Bush then mentioned the Hometown Democracy effort and that he would
send out a summary later and that it will probably be on the ballot in 2010.
REPORTS
404. Commission Seat One -Robert S. Miller
Commissioner Miller mentioned previous comments related to the Fire Union and that he
would add this to the Record and that everyone would get a copy.
Tape 1/Side B
Continuing, Commissioner Miller commented on the Financial Award we just received
and noted, "There is a common denominator though that has -been here throughout all of
this. Commissioners on this dais have come and gone." Commissioner Miller added,
"We continue to get these things and we never got them in the past. The common
denominator, for me, is the man who is sitting to - my left or to your right, the City
Manager. And, I think he deserves a lot of the credit for this because good leaders
assemble good people around them. And it is a really tough thing to do, to find the right
people and consistently to do this. And, all the folks that -are on our Staff are all superb
performers."
Commissioner Miller continued, "I think Ron McLemore has done a superb job and I
think a lot of these things that we continue to get is because he has chosen aStaff -and
surrounded himself with a group of really fantastic performers. And, I hope our
performers continue to perform the way they have in the past because we have a good
City and we can make it a lot better if we continue on - a positive track."
Discussion.
Manager McLemore noted, "A Manager cannot be successful without a strong
management team, and we have assembled a strong management team."
REPORTS
405. Commission Seat Two -Rick Brown
Commissioner Brown advised the City Commission that he had just been Appointed to
the Executive Council for Leadership Seminole.
Brief discussion.
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REPORTS
406. Commission Seat Three/Deputy Mayor -Donald A. Gilmore
Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore commented, "The only thing I would really like to do
at this point is compliment Susie (Coffman, Senior Center Manager, Parks and
Recreation Department) and her Staff at the Senior Center for the fine Event on
Saturday."
REPORTS
407. Commission Seat Four -Sally McGinnis
Commissioner McGinnis mentioned her serving as the Vice Chair of the Seminole
County Alliance and advised the City Commission to be mindful of needs for community
services.
Commissioner McGinnis remarked, "I do want to congratulate our financial Staff. I was
proud of that award too - I am anxious for the Press Release to just go everywhere."
Further brief comments followed on Press Releases.
REPORTS
408. Commission Seat Five -Joanne M. Krebs
Commissioner Krebs mentioned Commissioner McGinnis's meeting with the owners of
the Winter Springs Golf Course. Further comments.
Commissioner Krebs again congratulated "The Finance Department for a job well done."
• • AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL REPORT WAS
GIVEN NEXT, AS DOCUMENTED. • •
REPORTS
REPORTS
403. Office Of The Mavor -John F. Bush
Mayor Bush commented, "You all got a copy of this petition from the Homeowners of
properties along Northern Way concerning the sidewalks. And - is this something that
the Commission - I guess you need to think about it if you want to bring it back up for
discussion or not. But I just wanted -make note that we did receive the Petition."
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Mr. Brian Fields, P.E., City Engineer, Public Works Department mentioned that the
project is out to bid; the project will be coming to the Commission on the second Meeting
in June 2008; and lastly that a Notice will be going out to the Homeowners to let them
know the date of the Meeting. Mayor Bush suggested that those who signed the Petition
be notified.
Next, Mayor Bush said, "I gave you copies of this Resolution Number 2008-29.
Resolution of the City Commission supporting the `Central Florida Commuter Rail
Project' - I would like -for the Commission to, if you have a chance to look at it, to
Approve this Resolution so that we can join with the other cities in the area. This is
through the METROPLAN Advisory Committee that this Resolution came to support
this."
"I WOULD DEFINITELY MAKE A MOTION TO SUPPORT THAT -THE WAY
GASOLINE IS GOING NOW, THE ONLY WAY TO GET AROUND IN MOST
MAJOR CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES THIRTY (30) YEARS FROM NOW
IS GOING TO BE A MASSIVE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM."
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR
GILMORE. DISCUSSION.
MAYOR BUSH NOTED, "MOTION IS TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2008-29."
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Mayor Bush asked City Clerk Lorenzo-Luaces, "Will you make sure this gets sent to the
METROPLAN ORLANDO [Municipal] Advisory [Committee]?" City Clerk Lorenzo-
Luaces nodded affirmatively.
• • AGENDA NOTE: PUBLIC INPUT WAS DISCUSSED AGAIN, IN
ADDITION TO WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY NOTED ON PAGE 2 OF THESE
MINUTES. • •
PUBLIC INPUT
Mr. Mike Welch, 800 Honeysuckel Lane, Casselberry, Florida: as a Member of the Lake
Monroe Amateur Radio Society, Mr. Welch spoke about children enjoying the fourth of
July festivities and that he would like to see the Event continued.
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Ms. Betty Mignone, 311 Casa Grande Court, Winter Springs, Florida: commented on
the merits of the Senior Center and suggested that Ms. Liz Abitante (Therapy Pool
Specialist, Parks and Recreation Department) should be given afull-time position.
Mr. Bob Henderson, 635 White Ibis Court, Winter Springs, Florida: commented on
fireworks and suggested a three (3) tier process with Winter Springs residents getting in
free, that those in Seminole County would pay more; and those from other areas would
pay even more.
Ms. Carrie E. Weaver, 240 Third Street, Winter Springs, Florida: as a resident who lives
behind the Senior Center, Ms. Weaver was pleased with the Senior Center and Therapy
Pool and suggested that Ms. Liz Abitante (Therapy Pool Specialist, Parks and Recreation
Department) be given afull-time position.
Mr. Arnie Nussbaum, 687 Andover Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke on Agenda
Item `603' and suggested that the Fourth of July Event be done on a smaller scale to
increase morale; spoke of the importance of getting the town together; pro-bono
entertainment; and complimented the City on the Senior Center and the Therapy Pool.
Ms. Isabelle Laub, 1372 Blue Spruce Court, Winter Springs, Florida: remarked about the
Senior Center; spoke of safety concerns and preventing lawsuits; and suggested that Ms.
Liz Abitante (Therapy Pool Specialist, Parks and Recreation Department) be given afull-
time position.
Mr. Grady Smith, 663 Andover Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: Mayor Bush stated, "Is
in favor of the Therapy Pool and does not wish to address the Commission."
Ms. Sherry O. Smith, 663 Andover Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: Mayor Bush added,
"Sherry Smith also is in favor."
Mayor Bush recognized former City Commissioner Edward Martinez, Jr.
Mr. Edward Martinez, Jr., 205 Little Creek Lane, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke of
leadership of the Commission; the Ad Hoc Winter Springs Citizen Property Tax Reform
Mitigation Study Committee; the Sunshine Law; previous comments by the City
Commission; and that he supported Consent Agenda Item "201" and Agenda Item
Regular "603".
Mr. James B. Moriarty, 1376 White Oak Drive, Winter Springs, Florida: as a Member of
the Rotary Club, Mr. Moriarty commented that the Rotary Club enjoyed supporting the
kids activities at previous Fourth of July Events and asked that the Event be held for this
year, even if at a reduced scale.
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Mr. Jeff McCall: representing the Winter Springs Professional Firefighters, Mr. McCall
commented on the proposed consolidation of the Fire Department; that they wanted to be
involved in the process; and remarked about other area Fire Departments.
Discussion.
Mayor Bush inquired, "At what point -will the Union, actually the Firefighters, let alone
the Union, would be involved in what is going on?"
Manager McLemore commented, "State Law says that you have to meet with your Union
and discuss impacts of Consolidation. That's exactly what we've planned to do. We've
had discussions already; I've heard his comments -we're certainly taking those into
consideration. But, by Law, we have to meet with them and hear what their issues are.
And that's exactly what we plan to do. We're becoming more and more intelligent about
what actually this thing would look like on a daily basis now. I understand what Jeff s
(McCall) issues are and we will have further formal discussions about those in the
immediate days ahead."
Mr. Bob Rucci, 673 Turkey Hollow Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: Mayor Bush said,
"He is in favor of [Consent] `200' and [Regular] `603'- does not wish to address the
Commission."
Ms. Kathy Holloway, 705 Glasgow Court, Winter Springs, Florida: Mayor Bush
remarked, "And also, I have a letter here, just turned in from Kathy Holloway." Mayor
Bush continued, "You are speaking in favor of the Therapy Pool position."
Ms. Constance McCahan, 1537 Braewick Street, Winter Springs, Florida: also suggested
that Ms. Liz Abitante (Therapy Pool Specialist, Parks and Recreation Department) be
given afull-time position at the Senior Center.
Ms. Ethel Beecher, 1207 Winter Springs Boulevard, Winter Springs, Florida: suggested
that if the City can only have one event, that it be the Fourth of July.
Mayor Bush called a Recess at 6:41 p. m.
Mayor Bush called the Special Meeting back to Order at 6: 50 p. m.
Tape 2/Side A
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PUBLIC HEARINGS AGENDA
PUBLIC HEARINGS
500. Community Development Department -Planning Division
Requests The City Commission Hold A Public Hearing For The Aesthetic Review
Of The Proposed Fence Modification Between JDC Buildings #4 And #17 And The
Adjacent Kingsbury Residence, Within The Town Center.
Mr. Randy Stevenson, ASLA, AICP, Director, Community Development Department
presented this Agenda Item.
Brief discussion.
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input "portion of the Agenda Item.
No one spoke.
Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
"MOTION TO APPROVE - 500." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BROWN. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
501. Not Used.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
502. Community Development Department -Planning Division
Requests The City Commission Conduct A Public Hearing For The 2"d Reading
And Adoption Of Ordinance 2008-09, Which Redefines The City Boundaries Of
Winter Springs To Include Lands Previously Annexed By The City And Provides
For Incorporation Into The City Charter.
Ms. Latorre read Ordinance 2008-09 by "Title" only.
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Ms. Eloise Sahlstrom, AICP, ASLA, Senior Planner, Community Development
Department introduced this Agenda Item for discussion.
Commissioner Miller asked for assurance that the specifications are accurate. Ms.
Sahlstrom stated, "The Consultant has gone through this and Kip (Lockcuff, P.E.,
Director, Public Works/Utility Departments) has gone through it as well; and both Kip
(Lockcuff) and the Consultant have indicated this is in fact our description."
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
No one spoke.
Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
"I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM `502'." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER MILLER. MAYOR BUSH STATED, "SECONDED BY
COMMISSIONER BROWN." DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
• • AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING TWO (2) AGENDA ITEMS,
PREVIOUSLY LISTED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WERE DISCUSSED
NEXT AS PART OF THE REGULAR AGENDA, FOLLOWED BY THE
ORIGINAL REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS, AS DOCUMENTED. • •
REGULAR AGENDA
FORMERLY LISTED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA
Parks And Recreation Department
Requesting The City Commissions Approval To Change The Part-Time Therapy
Pool Specialist Position To A Full-Time Position And To Hire Liz Abitante For This
Position.
Mr. Chuck Pula, Director, Parks and Recreation Department spoke on this Agenda Item.
Commissioner McGinnis remarked, "I think we are lucky to have Liz (Abitante, Therapy
Pool Specialist, Parks and Recreation Department).
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Commissioner Krebs asked if Mr. Pula had considered Volunteers doing some of the
needed work. Mr. Pula agreed.
Continuing, Commissioner Krebs said to Ms. Liz Abitante, Therapy Pool Specialist,
Parks and Recreation Department, "All I hear is just great stuff -thank you for doing the
great job that you are doing. And we always hear wonderful things -about Susie
(Coffman)."
Further discussion.
"I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER BROWN. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS.
DISCUSSION.
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE NOTED, "WE ARE APPROVING THE HIRING
OF AN INDIVIDUAL, AND I DON'T THINK THAT IS OUR JOB. I THINK WE
NEED TO AUTHORIZE THE POSITION GOING FROM PART-TIME TO
FULL-TIME."
MANAGER McLEMORE NOTED, "YOU ARE TECHNICALLY CORRECT.
WE'RE REALLY SAYING THAT THE EMPLOYEE THAT HAS ALREADY
BEEN CHOSEN BY PARKS [AND RECREATION DEPRTMENT] IS DOING AN
OUTSTANDING JOB AND WE'RE TRYING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT TO
YOU. WE'RE NOT REALLY ASKING FOR YOUR AUTHORIZATION TO
HIRE HER -WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS YOUR AUTHORIZATION TO FUND
THE POSITION FULL-TIME."
"THAT IS THE AMENDMENT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE -THAT WE
ARE AUTHORIZING AFULL-TIME POSITION." AMENDMENT TO THE
MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE.
MAYOR BUSH NOTED THAT THE AMENDMENT WAS "AUTHORIZING
FULL-TIME."
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE: (ON THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION)
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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VOTE: (ON THE MAIN MOTION, AS AMENDED)
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
FORMERLY LISTED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA
Information Services Department
Requesting A Supplemental Appropriation In The Amount Of $37,263.00 And
Authorization To Proceed With Air-Pak As The Vendor For Server Room A/C And
Electrical Work.
Ms. Joanne Dalka, Director, Information Services Department presented this Agenda
Item for discussion and reviewed various aspects with the City Commission.
Discussion.
With discussion on the ownership of Air-Pak Services, Inc., Ms. Dalka noted, "I have a
signed statement which is notarized stating that he is sole owner -that Mr. Gray is sole
owner, Paul Michael Gray and I have also got his Articles of Incorporation showing that
he has one hundred percent (100%) ownership in this company; if you would like to see
them." Commissioner Brown suggested, "I would like it entered into the Record." Ms.
Dalka stated, "Okay." Further discussion.
Commissioner Krebs stated, "I want to thank Joanne (Dalka) for taking the initiative to
call me as well. I don't know if she called everybody else -just to see if we have
questions. I really like that -and you [Joanne Dalka] do it quite often, when you have an
item coming up and I appreciate that."
With additional discussion, Deputy Mayor Gilmore suggested there be a program for a
data center/computer room to meet future requirements in the long run.
"MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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REGULAR
600. Community Development Department
Requests The Commission Consider A Conceptual Development Plan For A 60,104
SF (Square Foot) Retail And Office Development On 7.29 Acres, Located On The
North Side Of SR (State Road) 434, At The Northwest Corner Of Its Intersection
With Fountaintree Drive, Immediately Adjacent To And West Of Harbor Winds.
Mr. John Baker, AICP, Senior Planner, Community Development Department introduced
this Conceptual Plan for discussion.
Mr. Baker noted, "You have Lake Talmo here, the former Golf Terrace Apartments is up
here, and Harbor Winds is over here. You have a two (2) story, 46,000 square foot
building here with retail on the first floor and office on the second floor; and then the
smaller single-story buildings here - it would be real nice and we're kind of hoping that
they can have anight-time restaurant in here. We think it would be a really good feature.
They couldn't have aday-time sit-down restaurant there because of the lack of parking.
There are 200 parking spaces and that would accommodate what they have, with the
office and the retail in the daytime, but to have a restaurant, they would have to do it at
night when the offices were closed down.
In your packet, you will notice there was a letter from VHB (Vanasse Hangen Brustlin,
Inc.) Engineering -the people representing the Fountain Tree, the former Golf Terrace.
There are concerns that were raised that need to be addressed during the Final
Engineering; there are some important concerns there, but these are concerns that should
be addressed during the Final Engineering; that we should keep them in mind, but they
are not show-stoppers at this level.
This is a very good plan. We've got a couple of things we wanted to point out. They've
got more of the compact spaces than the Code currently allows. We would support a
variation from that, and there is some very minor, if you look where this jogs out, there
are some very minor incursions over the buffer; there are no pilings put into the fifty foot
(50') buffer around the lake, but there's a platform that goes out over that buffer just a
very minor bit, so we need to address that in some form or manner."
Commissioner Miller said, "Talking about restaurants and things like that, and these are
going to front on Lake Talmo which may not be the greatest looking lake right now; but
if they were to use that for restaurant purposes, how would that work, given the
appearance or maybe I misunderstood what you said -how would that work, in an
appearance like that?"
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Mr. Baker answered by saying, "Well, I believe the restaurant would go into one (1) of
the single story buildings." Commissioner Miller then stated, "So, in other words, it
would be on the other side of those buildings?" Mr. Baker answered, "No Sir, this is the
two (2) story building." Commissioner Miller inquired, "So, is building 1 also a two (2)
story building?" Mr. Baker responded, "No Sir, there are two (2) single story buildings,
and then the large building is the two (2) story building."
Commissioner Miller noted, "I thought building 3, the office building was two (2) story?
Which is what it says, then the Plan that I have (unless you gave me an outdated Plan), it
says that Building I is a one (1) story retail, Building 2 is a one (1) story retail." Mr.
Baker responded, "Yes, Sir."
Continuing, Commissioner Miller asked, "So, if that is the rear, that's the North side of
Building 2, why is it two (2) floors?" Commissioner Brown stated, "It is Building 3."
Commissioner Miller stated, "I'm looking for the north side of Building 1 and the north
side of Building 2. I am sorry you are putting stuff up that is probably not in here - so,
the question is, `Is the north side of buildings 1 and 2, if that is what restaurants are going
to be, I just want to make sure that some thought has been given by Staff to the fact that
if a restaurant was - if this project -could be improved, is it going to be possible, the way
we are looking at, the way we are considering this right now, to be able to have
restaurants on the north side of these buildings which would face the lake, so that at some
point - if the lake was cleaned up a little bit and dressed up, it would be fun for people to
go and eat there'; because should we be eating outdoors in a nice environment, like we
were trying to do here in the Town Center in certain areas."
Mr. Baker suggested, "If we could have the Applicant address that, but I believe that it
would be all the way through that building."
Commissioner Miller commented, "The north face of that building is just a flat wall,
where I am sure there is going to be air conditioning systems and trash cans and stuff like
that out there. Now, I haven't actually gone out there and walked out and taken a look at
that, right now in terms of this, but my concern was if we are going to have restaurants in
there, has some thought been given that it may be good to think about the back side of
that, the north side of that building?"
Mr. Michael Hilal, MTH Development, LLC., 1101 North Maitland Avenue, Maitland,
Florida: stated, "I'm the Developer of this Project. The air conditioning units and
anything -associated with it, would actually be on the roof; you wouldn't be able to see
them from the back."
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With further discussion, Mr. Hilal explained, "Well, actually building 1 and 2 are
exclusively retail." Mr. Miller questioned further, "And restaurants?" Mr. Hilal added,
"And restaurants. Restaurant is included in retail." Mr. Miller suggested, "I think you
should give some -this is just an observation that I am making." Mr. Hilal stated, "What
hasn't been shown on these yet is that there are a lot more windows facing the lake..."
Commissioner Miller added, "...Than what is depicted here?" Mr. Hilal stated, "Than
what is depicted here." Commissioner Miller then said, "I think we need to have the
most current -that you're talking about if we are going to comment on this; we obviously
don't have it."
Furthermore, Commissioner Miller remarked, "I just came back from a week in Europe,
in Switzerland -they go out of their way to make beautiful settings to eat outdoors. Now,
we can't eat outdoors here at certain times of the year. I know we are not going to do it at
certain times, but there are other times of the year when people want to sit outside, and if
you eliminate the possibility altogether, then it will never happen. And I am not trying to
tell you how to do your business, I am just making an observation here that because it is
fronting a lake, it is something maybe you might want to think about. Go back and take a
look at it, and if it makes sense, think about it; if it doesn't, then, this is the way it will
look."
Mr. Farid Tawill, Tawill Engineering, Inc., 8606 Bay Shore Cove, Orlando, Florida:
stated, "I'm the Civil Engineer. I'm not the Architect of this. Our initial plans that show
a Boardwalk outside in the back of these Buildings 1 and 2, even though the Boardwalk
would not be constructed by piers, it would be constructed cantilevered-type; but the City
Staff rejected that Boardwalk idea. We want to envision that, sitting outside and have
that; and even we have the concept where most of the trees would be preserved; where
this boardwalk would be built around those trees."
Commissioner Miller said, "I am sorry to hear that happened."
Mr. Tawill further noted, "But because it is an encroachment into the fifty foot (50')
setback, the buffer, so we eliminated that. The initial Plan it shows that, the Boardwalk.
We would love to have that idea, the Boardwalk."
Commissioner Miller then asked, "Is it not possible to? I would like to see that. I would
like to see that revisited if we could -work the details."
Mayor Bush suggested, "Why don't we have Staff tell us why they rejected it?" Mr.
Baker explained, "The Comprehensive Plan as noted in your Agenda Item has a fifty foot
(50') upland buffer."
Tape 2/Side B
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Mr. Baker continued, "We are not proposing to encroach in the wetlands, but there is a
minor encroachment with this cantilevered walkway into the fifty foot (50') buffer, very
minor, and we felt that it was acceptable; because typically around a lake, you could have
some sort of a walkway down to the lake, and even a dock or a gazebo out into the lake
which would also be an encroachment. We felt that this very minor encroachment that
they were showing right in just a little bit of these corners, was far less than what they
would do if they had a dock or gazebo in the lake. They aren't putting any pilings into
that, but they are cantilevered out over it."
Commissioner Miller stated, "I think something like this will make this a destination for
people to go and visit; to eat; to sit around and I think we need to take another look at
this. I don't know where you are on this? You may not want to go forward on this? I
understand that I am just - I understand I wasn't aware of this. It never got to me. I am
just voicing an opinion of this. I would like to see this brought back and quickly, if you
are under - if you are ready to go on bidding. I would like to see it brought back quickly
and let us take a look at it."
Commissioner McGinnis stated, "I agree with Commissioner Miller. I believe -you
chose not to bring it forth at another meeting, Correct?" Mr. Tawill asked, "The
Boardwalk?" Commissioner McGinnis stated, "Your whole Agenda Item." Mr. Hilal
responded, "Yes."
Commissioner McGinnis stated, "I think it is exciting. I am delighted. I want to see this
happen soon. This really is the Gateway to our City -that Project is, and so, how it looks
is really important. I cannot tell anything of course from these drawings. This looks like
building blocks - I am hoping we can get a better rendition of this. This looks like - a kit
put together. If you have something else, I would love to see it."
Mr. Hilal said, "I really didn't want to bring these out yet, because they are not final."
With further comments, Commissioner McGinnis answered, "You know, we are very
strong on aesthetics. So, you know what you are in for. Right?" Mr. Hilal stated,
"Actually, Mr. Baker here advised us of that before we even brought anything to him -
that Architectural Review would be very stringent."
Commissioner Krebs added, "I believe you wanted to show something." Mr. Hilal noted,
"These are preliminary."
With further comments, Commissioner McGinnis stated, "Are these concepts, or what is
this?" Mr. Baker noted, "Again, this is just a concept review. This is not Final
Engineering or Aesthetic Review." Commissioner McGinnis said, "I understand." Mr.
Hilal explained, "These are what our Architect has envisioned thus far."
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Discussion.
Commissioner Krebs stated, "I thought before you said that there wouldn't be enough
room for - I understand what Commissioner Miller is saying, but I thought you said there
wouldn't be an opportunity for eateries there because of the parking problem?" Mr.
Tawill explained, "What Mr. Baker was referring to, was that it wouldn't be a full-day
restaurant; it would be evenings only; Ithink - 4 [p.m.] or 5 p.m."
Mr. Baker noted, "Because of the limited parking area, they couldn't have asit-down
restaurant during the day when the businesses were open; there wouldn't be enough
room. But, if they limited the restaurant until after the offices closed, they would have
adequate parking, and of course, that would be helped by having the bus stop."
Commissioner Krebs stated, "I am just concerned as to a bus stop. I mean you know
people. I am just concerned as to -you are limiting yourself as to who you could get
under those circumstances to even open up a restaurant."
Mr. Hilal stated, stated, "Me personally, I would love to have -all day, all night
restaurants there' -just like an Olive Garden, or maybe a Carrabba's or something like
that - I really don't have anybody yet. And -more or less, we are just trying to comply
with City guidelines."
Commissioner Krebs stated, "Yes, but I guess to John's (Baker) point, you probably have
it built so that you are utilizing as much space as possible there for retail; therefore
needing all of those parking spaces -unless you were willing to not have some of that;
and have more parking space. Then, you could have an all day restaurant; but, I am sure
that is not where you are going. You know what I don't like about that? I just don't like
those pieces that just go up making it look like it is something but it is really not -where
it doesn't go back far. That is just me - I just do not like it - it is a facade and -just to me
looks cheap. "
Mr. Hilal noted, "Again, this is not how it would really look, it is a computer generated
drawing."
Commissioner Krebs said, "I know you don't want to show that. I am just saying that
about that. Since this is conceptual -you are probably getting our ideas and I was just
throwing out one of my ideas."
Mr. Tawill stated, "I'm sure you have seen your Town Center." Commissioner Krebs
answered, "Yes, I have." Mr. Tawill noted, "Pretty much one hundred percent (100%) of
it is facade; except for the two (2) floor buildings." Commissioner Krebs commented
that, "In the beginning of it, I think we knew we don't have two (2) stories there."
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Commissioner Krebs then noted, "Going forward, I don't think you are going to see that
at all. I think you are going to see two (2) stories. I think you are going to see residential
on top. You are not going to see -you know what piece I am talking about. Those are
my comments."
Manager McLemore said, "I am going to call on Commissioner Brown to help me out
here. But, as I understand it, you wanted to have outdoor dining, but there is no room for
outdoor dining." Mr. Hilil responded, "We would like to, if the City would give us a
Variance." Manager McLemore explained, "My understanding is that outdoor dining is a
very, very important component of a restaurant today in terms of financial success, so,
please correct me if I'm wrong..." Commissioner Brown remarked, "...You are right."
Furthermore, Manager McLemore noted, "So, with the investment that you are making
here, with the idea of trying to bring in a restaurant, I think we need to go the extra mile
before you invest your money in there, to see if we can accomplish that outdoor dining.
Now, I don't know what that answer is right now, but I think it is hugely important to
what you are trying to do there." Mr. Hilal remarked, "We would love to have it."
Manager McLemore said, "I don't have any answers for you right now; I'm just saying I
think we need to dig in and see if we can come up with a way to make it happen. So,
that's my recommendation is to just try again; see if we can come up with some way to
make it happen, and put this on hold for a week or two (2)."
Next, Deputy Mayor Gilmore stated, "I have a little concern on stormwater retention, in
the first drawings that we received a couple months ago and you pulled it off, you
showed underground storage." Mr. Tawill responded, "Correct".
Deputy Mayor Gilmore said, "I presume that is still here today, and I noticed that in the
comments that have been attached -the one that was attached to this from VHB (Vanasse
Hangen Brustlin, Inc.); they bring up concerns about your underground stormwater
retention. This one brings up concerns about your stormwater retention, and if I
remember correctly, a lot of your stormwater retention was under the wooden platform
area that Commissioner Miller was talking about. Now, where is this stormwater
retention going to be? And, what bothers me, it is being questioned and I would certainly
think that would have been solved before this came before the Commission for concept,
because any change there is going to change your concept."
Mr. Tawill answered, "The stormwater was initially and always have been in the back of
Building 3." Deputy Mayor Gilmore said, "In the parking lot." Mr. Tawill responded,
"Correct." Deputy Mayor Gilmore then asked, "How are you going to keep that from
plugging?"
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Furthermore, Mr. Tawill explained, "There are three (3) alternatives that we are working
with the Geotechnical Engineer -one of them is exfiltration trenches; the other one is a
vault; and the third one is the infiltrators. We haven't decided yet which alternative we
will use, but every one of them has a system that could be checked periodically and will
be cleaned up."
Deputy Mayor Gilmore noted, "This is for the Commissioners -this was an interest and a
concern on the church that we heard the last time, because it had underground water
retention too -Starlight (Baptist Church) had the same concern - and I noticed it has been
addressed by your neighbors." Mr. Tawill commented, "In the second letter that you
showed me, that is my response to the letter correct - and I did address the stormwater
system."
Mr. Fields answered, "The only thing I'd like to add to that one is that, underground
exfiltration chambers are in use in the City. They are higher maintenance; they are higher
costs to install. Two (2) projects that have them -one is the West End Center, it's under
the parking area; the other one is Tuskawilla Square -the Alex Strings project. Those are
just two (2) of them. The Highlands Apartments also has it; Hayes Road Plaza was
approved -not yet built with it. It's very common, especially -with land prices to
maximize land use to go to the underground exfiltration; it does require more
maintenance, more inspection, and if not inspected it can cause problems; but, it's
certainly permittable by the St. John's River Water Management District and it can be
effective..." Deputy Mayor Gilmore added, "...As long as it is being looked at real
close."
Continuing, Mr. Fields noted, "This has not been submitted for Final Engineering. We
haven't reviewed any calculations on it yet. We would, as a part of final design."
Commissioner McGinnis commented, "Thank you Mr. City Manager because I think the
issue is outdoor dining and I think we can probably reach an agreement here. We need
something like this in that neighborhood very badly. I can also suggest that it would be
wonderful to have a place to have breakfast, so maybe you might consider breakfast and
dinner. Now, when you talk about -when you mention words like Olive Garden and
Carrabba's, my blood goes cold, because that would make me sad. I hope you make
every effort to find anon-chain; if you could find a mom and pop endeavor -that would
just be such a wonderful addition to our City. If you can't, that's fine, I will still go
there." Mr. Hilal said, "No, those were just examples I was using."
Furthermore, Commissioner McGinnis said, "I know. That is my bias. You have to hear
it. I envision the Town Center being all owner-operated. But, -that is not life." Mr.
Hilal said, "We would love to have any tenant that is willing to -utilize our space."
Commissioner McGinnis stated, " I know."
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Next, Mr. Hilal said, "With regard to the -outdoor patio, it's not our choice not to include
it. It's against Code, according to what is written in the statutes." Commissioner
McGinnis then inquired, "When is the anticipated completion of this road that
Casselberry is doing? Do you happen to know when that is going to come through?" Mr.
Fields answered, "Probably a couple months away. Winter Park Drive, new Winter Park
Drive, City of Casselberry's project connecting to [State Road] 434 -probably several
months out."
Discussion followed on a new Winter Springs restaurant that serves breakfast.
Commissioner Miller stated, "Gentlemen, this is a nice looking project. I hope you will
work with Staff. I would like to see -the decks come back, I hope you can work
something out on that." Mr. Hilal stated, "If we could get a Variance." Commissioner
Miller noted, "Well, I think the City Manager said that we are willing to work with you
on this, we'll see what can be done." Furthermore, Commissioner Miller offered, "If a
way can be found, I would like to see us work very hard to find that way."
"MOTION TO ACCEPT
COMMISSIONER KREBS.
DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER MILLER
MADE..." COMMISSIONE
ALL THE COMMENTS."
THE CONCEPTUAL..." MOTION BY
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BROWN."
NOTED, "...WITH ALL THE COMMENTS
R KREBS ADDED, "...YES, INCORPORATING
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REGULAR
601. Public Works Department
Requesting The City Commission Consider A Request From Hacienda Village To
Fund The St. Johns River Water Management District Permit For The Gee Creek
Bank Stabilization Project In The Amount Of $500.00.
Mr. Fields spoke first on this Agenda Item.
Discussion.
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~~MOTION TO DENY FUNDING THE FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS 0500.00)."
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER
MILLER. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REGULAR
602. Community Development Department
Requests The City Commission Consider Dates For A Workshop To Discuss
Leadership In Energy And Environmental Design (LEED) Concepts And Tools.
Mr. Stevenson began the discussion on this Agenda Item and the proposed Workshop and
noted, "We are working with a number of professionals including the Architect that was
mentioned during that meeting, to get them there for this meeting."
With brief discussion, Mayor Bush suggested, Monday, "July 21 S` [2008] - a possible date
and you will confirm this then Randy (Stevenson)?" Mr. Stevenson stated, "Yes."
Mayor Bush asked the City Commission, "All the Commission in favor of the [July] 21S`
[2008]?" Commissioner Krebs noted, "Yes." Deputy Mayor Gilmore stated, "Yes." No
objections were voiced.
Continuing, Commissioner Krebs and Mayor Bush suggested the Workshop commence
at "6:30 [p.m.]." Mayor Bush then asked Mr. Stevenson how long the Workshop might
last? Mr. Stevenson suggested, "I would allot at least a couple of hours; so maybe two
and a half (2 '/z) hours."
REGULAR
603. Parks And Recreation Department
Requests That The City Commission Reconsider Approval And Funding The July 4
Celebration Of Freedom On A Reduced Smaller Scale.
Mr. Pula introduced this Agenda Item.
Much discussion.
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Discussion followed on a previous Motion.
Commissioner Miller suggested that Staff bring back in the next two (2) weeks an
Informational Agenda Item related to the approximate attendance at the last two (2) or
three (3) events; with the idea of what would we need to charge so the event would pay
for itself.
Further discussion.
Tape 3/Side A
Discussion followed on possible ways to fund a Fourth of July event.
Commissioner Miller added that he would again like to see this issue brought back in two
(2) weeks as an Informational Agenda Item, and he would like to know if anyone wanted
to help sponsor this event.
Discussion continued.
"I WILL MAKE AMOTION -THAT WE EMPOWER OUR PARKS AND
RECREATION DEPARTMENT TO DO WHAT THEY CAN TO BRING THE
COST DOWN. WE THEN MAKE A COMMITTMENT TO MOVE FORWARD
WITH THIS AND ENLISTING THE ROTARY AND ALL THE OTHER
ENTITIES THAT HAVE PLEDGED SUPPORT AND THAT THE CITY WILL
FUND THE REMAINDER FOR THIS YEAR OF THIS EVENT." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS.
MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
Further discussion.
"I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT IF THE CITY MANAGER CAN
COME BACK WITHIN THE NEXT FOURTEEN (14) DAYS WITH A PLAN,
EVEN ON A MORE SCALED DOWN LEVEL THAT SHOWS THAT WE CAN
DO THIS THROUGH BEING TOTALLY REVENUE NEUTRAL AND VENDOR
ADVERTISING, SPONSORSHIP, AND GATE FEE AND PARKING FEE
SUPPORTED, THAT WE GO FORWARD. OTHERWISE, WE LET THE ISSUE
DIE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN. SECONDED BY
COMMISSIONER MILLER. DISCUSSION.
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REGULAR
604. Office Of Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs
Requesting That The Mayor And City Commission Consider The Florida League
Of Cities "Cities Of Excellence" Award Program For 2008.
Commissioner Krebs introduced this Agenda Item for discussion.
"BECAUSE OF HIS CONTRIBUTION TO OUR CITY THROUGH HIS
OUTSTANDIING CIVIC COMMITMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE
COMMISSIONER BROWN FOR `COUNCIL MEMBER OF THE YEAR'."
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KREBS.
MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
"I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE ANDREA (LORENZO-LUACES) FOR `CITY
CLERK OF THE YEAR'." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KREBS.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BROWN. DISCUSSION.
CITY CLERK LORENZO-LUACES STATED, "I WOULD RESPECTFULLY
DECLINE -THANK YOU."
COMMISSIONER KREBS STATED, "I WILL WITHDRAW THE MOTION."
In other City business, regarding recognizing the City's Advisory Board and Committee
Members, Commissioner McGinnis suggested, "If we could come up with some kind of a
thank you, recognition of the work done by all our volunteers for the last year, I think it
would be in order."
Commissioner McGinnis continued and suggested, "A Certificate and having them all
come to City Hall one night and have cake."
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Mayor Bush asked, "Do you want to recommend this be an Agenda Item and be brought
back for the next Meeting?"
"SO MOVED." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. SECONDED BY
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE. DISCUSSION.
MAYOR BUSH NOTED, "MOTION TO BRING THE VOLUNTEER PROGRAM
- WHICH MAY INCLUDE A DINNER, WHICH MAY NOT."
VOTE:
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
• • AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING REGULAR AGENDA ITEM WAS
AGAIN DISCUSSED, AS DOCUMENTED. • •
REGULAR AGENDA
REGULAR
604. Office Of Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs
Requesting That The Mayor And City Commission Consider The Florida League
Of Cities "Cities Of Excellence" Award Program For 2008.
Mayor Bush said, "Even though I cannot make the Motion, I would like the Commission
to consider recommending our Manager for "` [City] Manager of the Year' -Florida
League of Cities."
"I WILL MAKE THE MOTION." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER.
SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE. DISCUSSION.
MAYOR BUSH EXPLAINED, "TO RECOMMEND MR. McLEMORE FOR
`CITY MANAGER OF THE YEAR'."
MANAGER McLEMORE REMARKED, "I WOULD BE HONORED BY THAT."
MANAGER McLEMORE THEN STATED, "BUT, IF THAT WAS YOUR WISH, I
WOULD CERTAINLY WANT TO DO THAT. I WOULD NOT WANT TO DO
THAT ON A SPLIT VOTE."
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CITY COMMISSION
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: NAY
DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: NAY
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
MAYOR BUSH NOTED, "MOTION PASSED, BUT IN LIGHT OF MR.
McLEMORE'S STATEMENT, I THINK THAT HE IS DECLINING BASED ON
IT WAS NOT A UNANIMOUS VOTE. CORRECT?" MANAGER McLEMORE
RESPONDED, "THAT'S CORRECT."
Deputy Mayor Gilmore then suggested, "May I recommend that we give this - a little
consideration again, and then maybe bring it up again at the next Commission Meeting to
see if we have any others that we are interested in."
Mayor Bush noted, "You can always bring it up under your Seat." Deputy Mayor
Gilmore said, "Then I will do that."
ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Bush adjourned the Special Meeting at 8:42 p.m.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED:
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AN A LORENZO-LUACES, CMC
CITY CLERK
~i.PPROVED:
AYOR ,iOHT1 ~'. BUSH
NOTE: These Minutes were approved at the June 9, 2008 Regular City Commission Meeting.