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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2008 06 09 Consent 214 Approval of Minutes City Commission Special Meeting May 21, 2008 CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING MAY 21, 2008 CALL TO ORDER The Special Meeting of Wednesday, May 21, 2008 of the City Commission was called to Order by Mayor John F. Bush at 7:05 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida 32708). Roll Call: Mayor John F. Bush, present Deputy Mayor Donald A. Gilmore, present Commissioner Robert S. Miller, present Commissioner Rick Brown, present Commissioner Sally McGinnis, present Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs, present City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, present City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, present REGULAR AGENDA REGULAR 600. Office Of The Mayor Asking The City Commission To Consider The Adoption Of Resolution Number 2008-27, Indicating Its Intent To Consolidate Fire Services With Seminole County Contingent Upon Successful Negotiations Of An Interlocal Agreement Between The City Of Winter Springs And Seminole County. Mayor Bush opened "Public Input". Mr. Jeff McCall: representing the Winter Springs Firefighters, Mr. McCall spoke of firefighters near retirement; the Pension Plan; area Fire Department wages; and how the Fire Department has been treated. Mr. James B. Loper, Esquire, 14310 North Dale Mabry Highway, Suite 290, Tampa, Florida: as a Pension Attorney hired by the Winter Springs Firefighters, Mr. Loper addressed the Florida Statutes as it applies to Pension Plans. ~ r---, .-- .. ..:lIlt n~ ,..... vif II" It ~~ ~~ ~ ~~,_",~,;.,.~t CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - MAY 2 I, 2008 PAGE20F4 Mr. John A. Horvarth, 1004 Bradford Drive, Winter Springs, Florida: as a Seminole County resident, Mr. Horvarth commented on growth; capital improvements; and growth in the central Florida area. Mr. Corey Green: as a Winter Springs firefighter, Mr. Green spoke about Pensions for Firefighters; retirement age; tenured firefighters; the proposed Consolidation and not losing out on benefits earned. Mr. Gary Bonner, 1582 Warrington Street, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke on Home Rule; Millage Rates; Fire Services; maintaining community; and our Fire Department supporting the recently held Relay for Life. Mayor Bush closed "Public Input". Discussion. "MOTION WE ADOPT RESOLUTION 2008-27." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. DISCUSSION. WITH COMMENTS ON THE PASSAGE OF THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION, MANAGER McLEMORE WAS ASKED TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE STEPS ARE IF THE RESOLUTION WAS PASSED. MANAGER McLEMORE STATED, "WE WILL THEN GO THROUGH A PROCESS WITH THE COUNTY STAFF OF LOOKING AT ALL THE ISSUES INVOL VED IN MAKING A SMOOTH TRANSITION AND DETERMINING IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A MUTUALLY ACCEPT ABLE SET OF TERMS AND CONDITIONS THAT'S MUTUALLY ACCEPTABLE TO THE COUNTY AND TO THE CITY AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT ON YOUR SIDE, MUTUALLY ACCEPTABLE MEANS YOU WOULD WANT TO BE ASSURED THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY LOSS OF SERVICE." CONTINUING, MANAGER McLEMORE NOTED, "ALL THIS DOES IS TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL OF DISCOVERY. IT DOESN'T COMMIT YOU TO ANYTHING. " FURTHERMORE, MANAGER McLEMORE EXPLAINED, "WE WOULD LIKE TO BE BACK WITH YOU CERTAINLY IN LATE JULY OR EARLIER IF POSSIBLE, WITH COMING TO YOU AND SAYING WE HAVE - WHAT APPEARS TO BE A SATISFACTORY SET OF TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT OR WE DON'T." ~~ ~ r,...., ;: - ... :>> nv: r-""-4 ,.... I -C ~: ~~'i~'~ CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - MAY 21, 2008 PAGE30F4 ADDITIONALL Y, MANAGER McLEMORE NOTED, "THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THOSE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID TONIGHT BY THE UNION AND THEIR CONCERN OVER PENSIONS, AND ALL THOSE OTHER ISSUES WHICH YOU HAVE A LOT OF TESTIMONY ON." MANAGER McLEMORE ADDED, "I BELIEVE TO GET TO THAT POINT RELATIVELY SOON, AND GET BACK TO YOU BY THAT FIRST OF AUGUST WITH AN AGREEMENT, OR TELLING YOU WE CAN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT AND GIVING YOU PLENTY OF TIME TO REVIEW THAT." DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE COMMENTED, "LISTENING TO SOME OF THE TESTIMONY FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, MAJOR CONCERNS ARE ON THESE PENSION BENEFITS AND I CERTAINLY THINK THAT THOSE SHOULD BE AT THE FOREFRONT OF AT LEAST SOME DISCUSSIONS AND WE SHOULD BE INFORMED IF WE GO ALONG WITH THIS, AS THIS PROCEEDS, AND NOT WAIT UNTIL THE LAST HOUR AND THEN WE ARE TOLD WHAT THE AGREEMENTS ARE." MANAGER McLEMORE STATED, "I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TRY TO KEEP YOU INFORMED AS BEST AS POSSIBLE." DISCUSSION CONTINUED. COMMISSIONER MILLER SPOKE FOR THE RECORD ON PROPERTY TAXES, FIRE ASSESSMENTS, AND REVENUE NEUTRAL CONSIDERATIONS. MAYOR BUSH READ THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION 2008-27. FURTHER DISCUSSION. VOTE: COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER BROWN: NAY DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: NAY MOTION CARRIED. ~i J:':Y""":-] ~ -.:.... ~ ('~ ,..... . P I ~~ :.--; ; ~ ADJOURNMENT Mayor Bush adjourned the Special Meeting at 7:47 p.m. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED: ANDREA LORENZO-LUACES, CMC CITY CLERK APPROVED: MA YOR JOHN F. BUSH NOTE: These Minutes were approved at the CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - MAY 21, 2008 PAGE40F4 Regular City Commission Meeting. r-"1 rooow-;, :: ~ K.. ~ r-..o: r'\.-4I r' ---4 ---c: JiIo-~ ~- "".-::;':,~ CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING MAY 21, 2008 CALL TO ORDER The Special Meeting of Wednesday, May 21, 2008 of the City Commission was called to Order by Mayor John F. Bush at 7:05 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida 32708). Roll Call: Mayor John F. Bush, present Deputy Mayor Donald A. Gilmore, present Commissioner Robert S. Miller, present Commissioner Rick Brown, present Commissioner Sally McGinnis, present Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs, present City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, present City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, present REGULAR AGENDA REGULAR 600. Office Of The Mayor Asking The City Commission To Consider The Adoption Of Resolution Number 2008-27, Indicating Its Intent To Consolidate Fire Services With Seminole County Contingent Upon Successful Negotiations Of An Interlocal Agreement Between The City Of Winter Springs And Seminole County. Mayor Bush opened "Public Input ". Mr. Jeff McCall: representing the Winter Springs Firefighters, Mr. McCall spoke of firefighters near retirement; the Pension Plan; area Fire Department wages; and how the Fire Department has been treated. Mr. James B. Loper, Esquire, 14310 North Dale Mabry Highway, Suite 290, Tampa, Florida: as a Pension Attorney hired by the Winter Springs Firefighters, Mr. Loper addressed the Florida Statutes as it applies to Pension Plans. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING -MAY 21, 2008 PAGE 2 OF 4 Mr. John A. Horvarth, 1004 Bradford Drive, Winter Springs, Florida: as a Seminole County resident, Mr. Horvarth commented on growth; capital improvements; and growth in the central Florida area. Mr. Corey Green: as a Winter Springs firefighter, Mr. Green spoke about Pensions for Firefighters; retirement age; tenured firefighters; the proposed Consolidation and not losing out on benefits earned. Mr. Gary Bonner, 1582 Warrington Street, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke on Home Rule; Millage Rates; Fire Services; maintaining community; and our Fire Department supporting the recently held Relay for Life. Mayor Bush closed "Public Input". Discussion. "MOTION WE ADOPT RESOLUTION 2008-27." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. DISCUSSION. WITH COMMENTS ON THE PASSAGE OF THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION, MANAGER McLEMORE WAS ASKED TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE STEPS ARE IF THE RESOLUTION WAS PASSED. MANAGER McLEMORE STATED, "WE WILL THEN GO THROUGH A PROCESS WITH THE COUNTY STAFF OF LOOKING AT ALL THE ISSUES INVOLVED IN MAKING A SMOOTH TRANSITION AND DETERMINING IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A MUTUALLY ACCEPTABLE SET OF TERMS AND CONDITIONS THAT'S MUTUALLY ACCEPTABLE TO THE COUNTY AND TO THE CITY AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT ON YOUR SIDE, MUTUALLY ACCEPTABLE MEANS YOU WOULD WANT TO BE ASSURED THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY LOSS OF SERVICE." CONTINUING, MANAGER McLEMORE NOTED, "ALL THIS DOES IS TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL OF DISCOVERY. IT DOESN'T COMMIT YOU TO ANYTHING." FURTHERMORE, MANAGER McLEMORE EXPLAINED, "WE WOULD LIKE TO BE BACK WITH YOU CERTAINLY IN LATE JULY OR EARLIER IF POSSIBLE, WITH COMING TO YOU AND SAYING WE HAVE -WHAT APPEARS TO BE A SATISFACTORY SET OF TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT OR WE DON'T." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING -MAY 21, 2008 PAGE 3 OF 4 ADDITIONALLY, MANAGER McLEMORE NOTED, "THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THOSE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID TONIGHT BY THE UNION AND THEIR CONCERN OVER PENSIONS, AND ALL THOSE OTHER ISSUES WHICH YOU HAVE A LOT OF TESTIMONY ON." MANAGER McLEMORE ADDED, "I BELIEVE TO GET TO THAT POINT RELATIVELY SOON, AND GET BACK TO YOU BY THAT FIRST OF AUGUST WITH AN AGREEMENT, OR TELLING YOU WE CAN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT AND GIVING YOU PLENTY OF TIME TO REVIEW THAT." DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE COMMENTED, "LISTENING TO SOME OF THE TESTIMONY FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, MAJOR CONCERNS ARE ON THESE PENSION BENEFITS AND I CERTAINLY THINK THAT THOSE SHOULD BE AT THE FOREFRONT OF AT LEAST SOME DISCUSSIONS AND WE SHOULD BE INFORMED IF WE GO ALONG WITH THIS, AS THIS PROCEEDS, AND NOT WAIT UNTIL THE LAST HOUR AND THEN WE ARE TOLD WHAT THE AGREEMENTS ARE." MANAGER McLEMORE STATED, "I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TRY TO KEEP YOU INFORMED AS BEST AS POSSIBLE." DISCUSSION CONTINUED. COMMISSIONER MILLER SPOKE FOR THE RECORD ON PROPERTY TAXES, FIRE ASSESSMENTS, AND REVENUE NEUTRAL CONSIDERATIONS. MAYOR BUSH READ THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION 2008-27. FURTHER DISCUSSION. VOTE: COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER BROWN: NAY DEPUTY MAYOR GILMORE: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: NAY MOTION CARRIED. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING -MAY 21, 2008 PAGE 4 OF 4 ADJOURNMENT Mayor Bush adjourned the Special Meeting at 7:47 p.m. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED: r ~~ A A LORENZO-LUACES, CMC CI, Y CLERK APPRI)VED: ,~ M OR JCI-JN F: BUSH NOTE: These Minutes were approved at the June 9, 2008 Regular City Commission Meeting.