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CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA
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SPECIAL MEETING
FEBRUARY 22,2006
CALL TO ORDER
The Special Meeting of Wednesday, February 22, 2006 of the City Commission was
called to order by Mayor John F. Bush at 7:31 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the
Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida
32708).
Roll Call:
Mayor John F. Bush, present
Deputy Mayor Michael S. Blake, present
Commissioner Robert S. Miller, present
Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore, present
Commissioner Sally McGinnis, present
Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs, present
City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, present
City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, present
A moment of silence was followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.
REGULAR AGENDA
REGULAR
300. Office Of The City Manager
Requests That The City Commission Review The East Rural Area Property
Owner's Committee Report, Adopt The Study With Any Changes They Deem
Appropriate, And Instruct The City Manager And City Attorney To Prepare An
Ordinance Establishing The Design Standards For The Area As Adopted By The
City Commission.
Mayor Bush recognized former Commissioner Edward Martinez, Jr. who was III
attendance.
City Manager Ronald W. McLemore introduced this Agenda Item.
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of this Agenda Item.
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Mr. Robert King, 2211 Black Hammock, Oviedo, Florida: addressed the Commission on
his service as a Member of the East Rural Area Property Owners Committee.
Discussion.
Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore spoke for the Record and asked that Mr. King
explain his concerns. Commissioner Gilmore added, "1 would like to hear it."
Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs said, "1 will hear it. " Mayor Bush said,
"Commissioners?" Commissioner Sally McGinnis said, "Yes. Absolutely." No
objections were noted.
Mr. King spoke on the Black Hammock, buildable lands, and the concept of
"Transitional" .
Mr. Steven 1. Hicks, 3350 Florida Avenue, Oviedo, Florida: as the new President of the
Black Hammock Association, Mr. Hicks addressed the City Commission on the concept
of "Transitional"; asked for a definition of "Transitional"; and commented on density.
Ms. Sharon Rousey, 102 Hidden Oak Drive, Longwood, Florida: spoke on behalf of her
sister and brother-in-law who reside in the Black Hammock and their concerns about
roads, access to State Road 434, schools, and growth.
Mr. Jim Logue, 3205 Elm Street, Oviedo, Florida: noted his concerns with the Rural
Area Study, the proposed number of homes, and comments made by a Consultant on the
size of lots.
Mayor Bush stated, "I am assuming maybe Eloise [Sahlstrom, ASLA, A1CP, Senior
Planner, Community Development Department] or somebody is going to answer those
kind of questions." Manager McLemore stated, "I am prepared." Mayor Bush added,
"We won't do it now."
Mr. Don Peterson, 3585 Canal Street, Seminole City, Florida: thought that more work
was needed; noted his support of Scenario 1.; and asked for more information on traffic
and school issues.
Mr. Tony Matthews, Seminole County, 1101 East First Street, Sanford, Florida: thanked
the City Commission on behalf of the County Commission for the invitation to attend this
Meeting; and read a letter to Mayor Bush from Seminole County.
Mayor Bush stated, "I attended a County Commission meeting and I gave each one of the
Commissioners a copy of the Report last week; and also, we sent them to the Oviedo
Council. "
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Mayor Bush and Deputy Mayor Michael S. Blake commented on the importance of
getting copies of related documents prior to Meetings.
Ms. Barbara Davis, Senior Planner, Development Services Department, City of Oviedo,
400 Alexandria Boulevard, Oviedo, Florida: read a letter into the Record from the City
of Oviedo.
Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of this Agenda Item.
Ms. Sahlstrom gave a presentation and displayed a Map and Aerial view of the Study
Area.
Tape I/Side B
Ms. Sahlstrom's presentation continued.
Deputy Mayor Blake said, "That Powerpoint presentation, I wish we had a copy of that
before - it would have been easier - if you would give me a copy of that, email it or
before I leave." Ms. Sahlstrom said, "We will also put a copy of it on the Web site, but I
will give you one tonight." Deputy Mayor Blake said, "Okay. That would be great. I
would appreciate that." Mayor Bush said, "Give one to each Commissioner."
Discussion ensued on "Gross" versus "Net".
Mr. Tom Minter, 1700 Deleon Street, Oviedo, Florida: as the Chairman of the East Rural
Area Property Owners Committee, Mr. Minter addressed the City Commission regarding
"Gross" versus "Net" and stated, "The Committee discussed this at length and we came
up with "Gross". We had Tony's [Matthews] input that the County went on "Net", but
we agreed to stay with 'Gross', as far as I can remember, and I think that's what we want
to still do."
Discussion.
In reference to two (2) letters, Commissioner Sally McGinnis stated, "Commissioners, if
you look in your mail, you do have these letters. For the record, we have them."
Commissioner Krebs added, "We do."
With further discussion, Manager McLemore said to Commissioner McGinnis, "If you
adopt tonight, then you will be authorizing the City Attorney with Staff to go and take
provisions of this and put it into Municipal Code which means, if, and I underscore if
properties in that area were to annex into the City in the future, it would be under these
guidelines that they would be developed. If they never chose to come in then, these
guidelines would never affect them."
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Tape 2/Side A
Ms. Sahlstrom explained, "The word 'Transition' - it was clear that it was a word that
was of concern to Mr. King and it was dropped from being used because we understood,
the Consultant's and I understood it as being that the word was the stumbling block, not
the meaning; and then we did find out at the end that we did need to speak to that issue,
and so the Report does in fact use the word - three (3) times, but not more than that."
With discussion, Commissioner Gilmore stated, "We set up this Development and all of
these things around the term buildable or 'Wetlands', that land should be pulled literally
out of production and turned over to the City or turned over to somebody in perpetuity -
but we haven't done it on the Town Center; we didn't do it on the west side of the Golf
Course, and I think we should be going back there doing it."
Discussion.
Tape 2/Side B
With discussion, Commissioner Robert S. Miller suggested, "I noticed there are several
large tracts in the area that we are discussing, but it seems like when it gets beyond that,
this is not going to go anywhere because if the County goes along with theirs - you are
just going to have low density sprawl going all the way out towards Geneva, so I would
encourage the Mayor to try and get - maybe to give a presentation to the County."
Discussion ensued with Mr. King who said to the City Commission, "The fact that you
had this much discussion tonight and talked about these things and considered them and
asked questions, this is really good. Because - you could have rubber stamped this
Report and we could have been out of here in five (5) minutes. I mean, it could have
been that way, but we wouldn't have addressed all the concerns, and now we talked about
them. "
Commissioner McGinnis said to Mr. King, "Thank you for all your comments!"
Further discussion followed with Ms. Sahlstrom.
Tape 3/Side A
Discussion ensued on Design Standards to which Commissioner Gilmore stated, "I think
you need Design Standards, including in this manual." Manager McLemore stated,
"Okay." Manager McLemore then said, "I think what the Commissioner is saying is
there needs to be some graphic representation of the Design Guidelines, so that when
someone is doing their sketches they have a general idea of what we're looking for." Ms.
Sahlstrom commented, "That's a great idea - yes." Commissioner Gilmore added,
"Absolutely."
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Commissioner Miller remarked, "There was a comment made tonight that there were a
lot of comments that have been submitted - that were available, I would like to get a copy
of all those." Ms. Sahlstrom said, "You mean the letters from the Committee - okay,
that's fine."
Manager McLemore then explained, "If we haven't got the point across, in language -
that it is compelling upon the designer to maximize the environmental resources that are
there, we need to put some more language, but I thought that we had done that. That one,
was interconnecting was a key criteria - interconnecting Wetlands, interconnecting forest
lands, all those type of things. I thought we had accomplished that, but maybe we need to
strengthen that language a little bit more." Commissioner Gilmore said, "A picture is
worth a lot more than words." Manager McLemore remarked, "Yes."
Regarding the East Rural Area Property Owners Committee Members, Deputy Mayor
Blake said, "The work that these folks did, is tremendous!" Deputy Mayor Blake added,
"We really should honor the work that they have done thus far." Furthermore, Deputy
Mayor Blake remarked, "It is important that we continue to have our arms open for
communication with - each of these other entities and work together."
Discussion.
"I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE REPORT
AND PURSUANT TO THE RESOLUTION WE PASSED A WEEK OR SO AGO
AND DELIVER AGAIN - EXTEND OUR GREATEST THANKS TO THOSE
FOLKS WHO SPENT THEIR TIME IN HERE TO GET US THIS FAR IN THE
PROCESS, AND A CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO GO THROUGH WITH
THE MEETING WITH THE COUNTY AND TO DELIVER THIS DOCUMENT
TO EACH OF THE OTHER CITIES IN THE AREA - PROBABLY JUST BE
OVIEDO, AND AGREE TO HAVE OPEN CONVERSATION WITH THEM TO
GET TO THE NEXT LEVEL." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. DISCUSSION.
"CAN WE INCLUDE IN THAT MOTION, CHANGES TO THE DOCUMENT TO
INCLUDE SOME PHOTOS OR PICTURES OR GRAPHICS OF WHAT OUR
INTENT IS IN THIS DESIGN? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO
THE AMENDMENT." AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER
GILMORE. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE SAID, "I WOULD VOTE AGAINST THAT MOTION
FOR THIS REASON. IT AMENDS AND CHANGES THE REPORT THAT WAS
DONE BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND IT IS NOT OUR REPORT TO
AMEND, IT IS THEIR REPORT." DISCUSSION.
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MANAGER McLEMORE SAID, "I DON'T THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
CHANGING ANYTHING. WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT GIVING SOME
GRAPHIC REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE."
COMMISSIONER KREBS SAID, "THE WAY I UNDERSTAND WHAT
COMMISSIONER GILMORE WOULD LIKE IS - JUST MORE DEFINITION,
THAT IS ALL. NOT A CHANGE, BUT SOMETHING VISUAL."
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE STATED, "THE COMMITTEE DEVELOPED THE
REPORT. THE COMMITTEE VOTED TO FORWARD THE REPORT TO THE
COMMISSION." DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER MILLER SAID, "AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE IT IS
GOING TO BE INCLUDED INTO - AN ORDINANCE AND - I THINK AT
THAT TIME IT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO INCLUDE AS
MUCH CLARIFICATION GRAPHICALLY OR OTHERWISE THAT WAS
DEEMED NECESSARY, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT
TO A REPORT THAT HAS JUST BEEN SUBMITTED TO US. IF WE ARE
GOING TO DO THAT, THEN I WOULD INSIST THAT WE SEND IT BACK TO
THEM AND HAVE THEM MEET COLLEGIALLY AND ACCEPT IT, AND
THEN RETURN IT BACK TO US WITH A COVER LETTER ENDORSING IT."
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS STATED, "I AGREE."
MAYOR BUSH SAID, "COMMISSIONER BLAKE WILL RESTATE HIS
MOTION." DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE SAID, "IT WAS A MOTION TO
ACCEPT THE REPORT." MAYOR BUSH STATED, "TO ACCEPT THE
REPORT AS PRESENTED. THAT WAS THE MOTION."
VOTE: (ON THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION)
COMMISSIONER KREBS: NAY
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: NAY
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: NAY
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: NAY
COMMISSIONER MILLER: NAY
MOTION DID NOT CARRY.
VOTE: (ON THE MAIN MOTION)
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Bush adjourned the Special Meeting at approximately 10:56 p.m.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED:
ANDREA LORENZO-LUACES, CMC, CITY CLERK AND
APPROVED:
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J . F. BUSH, MAYOR
NOTE: These Minutes were approved at the March 13,2006 Regular City Commission Meeting.