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WORKSHOP MEETING
CITY COMMISSION
CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS
MONDAY, MARCH 2, 1992
The Workshop Meeting of the City Commission of the City of Winter Springs, Florida,
was called to order by Mayor Philip A. Kulbes at 7:00 p. m.
Roll Call:
Mayor Philip A. Kulbes, present
Deputy Mayor John Langellotti, present
City Manager Richard Rozansky, present
City Attorney Frank Kruppenbacher, present
Commissioners:
John V. Torcaso, present
Don Jonas, present
Terri Donnelly, present
Cindy Kaehler, present
Discussion of application for borrow pits-Units l4C and 15, Tuscawilla:
Attorney David Brown with the law firm of Braod & Cassell, was present along with
Mr. Scott Banta, representing Sullivan Properties. Attorney Brown pointed on the
map to ParcellS which is on S.R. 434. He explained there is proposed to be dug
two major lakes, one which represents approximately 50 acres and another lake
approximately 10.62 acres. He said the point in digging these lakes in these
areas is to enhance the site and also to provide fill for this proposed eastern
beltway extension. The reason this fill is conducive to being provided here is
you do not have to impact roadways that are adjacent to the site or the general area.
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He explained because they can remain on site by traveling laterally across the site
with trucks, they will divert a substantial amount of truck traffic off the public
roads to bring it onto the beltway, and on the site on Parcel 14 the dirt can be
removed and moved to the beltway without impacting public roads also.
Attorney Brown explained the corollary benefit to be derived is the reduction of
density in uses proposed and the area which is remaining around the lakes when
restored will provide beneficial very nice lake frontage.
Attorney Brown then gave some basic numbers under the Settlement Agreement which was
entered into between the City and Winter Springs Joint Venture. Parcel 61 had 89
units on the Settlement Agreement. Under the development possibilities of the
property, that being wetlands, it could have really only accommodated about 82 units,
and that will stay at the same number. Parcel l4C under the Settlement Agreement had
125 units and again with wetlands there was an achievable number of about 35 units.
Under the Sullivan proposal there will be 5 units on parcel l4C. On Unit 15 there
were 67 acres commercial, 416 of single family and 504 multi-family. He said
realistically out of the 416 single family, only 177 single family units could have
been accommodated and out of the multifamily of 500, only 300 could have been
accommodated. He said the commercial will stay the same, the single family will be
reduced from 177 to 82 and there is no present plan for multifamily, although one of
the commercial properties could be converted to multifamily. On Parcel 80 there were
1,480 in the Settlement Agreement, only 675 units under realistic development.
Attorney Brown discussed the sewer issue. He said after the land use changes that
are being proposed there will still be about 910 equivalent residential connections.
Attorney Brown had a rendering of the proposed 50 acre lake that will exist on Parcel
. 15. He also showed pictures of borrow pits which had been converted into lakes.
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Joe Genova, Addidas Road, asked will the losing of 120 units necessitate an
in his sewer and water bill. Manager Rozansky explained that it would not.
Rozansky explained they can replace these connections from elsewhere within
Planned Unit Development, and that will satisfy the Agreement.
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Commissioner Jonas asked Attorney Kruppenbacher to elaborate on the modification
necessary to the Settlement Agreement in order to accomplish these borrow pits.
Attorney Kruppenbacher explained if this Commission voted to grant the borrow pits,
we would go back into court with the Developer. File a request for the court to
approve an amendment so that we stay within the confines of the Agreement.
Paul Partyka, Oswego Court, asked what kind of guarantees are there that in four or
five years the lake stays a lake.
Attorney Brown explained as to the maintenance issue, there is a combination of lien
rights by the City to assure completion or maintenance of what has occurred with that
being prior to any other encumbrances on the property the way a mortgage is so that
would be a prior right. In addition they are trying to examine what kind of costs
might be involved or cash collateral or letter of credit that can be placed as
additional security as to the completion as well as maintenance of the project.
Robert King, Black Hammock, asked how much water will it take to fill these lakes and
where will it come from and what kind of impact will that have in Seminole, Volusia
and Orange Counties?
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Helene Bilkey, Saranac Drive, asked where the trucks would be running.
Richard Torcarriage, Mt. Laurel Drive, asked what benefit is it to the City to build
these borrow pits, and who will maintain them.
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Dick Denning, Pebble Beach Circle, asked what amount of taxes would 425 homes bring.
John Heninger, Antelope Trail, asked about maintenance.
Ray Laub, Blue Spruce Court, cautioned that when we go back to court to amend the
Settlement Agreement, we may be opening up a Pandora's box.
Martin Trencher, Winter Springs Boulevard, if this project is approved that a
sufficient bond or letter of credit be posted by the developer for the complete project
for maintenance. He also asked what kind of liability issues are involved if the
ownership of these lakes remains in the hands of the developers as opposed to the City.
John Wilson, Vistawilla, asked about a construction plan and he wanted to know if it
would become property of the City, or will it be private.
Nick DiGiorgio, Mt. Laurel Drive, asked if a fee could be put on the commercial sites
to maintain the ponds.
Pete Kelley, Sequoia Court, Construction Manager for Hubbard Construction, spoke about
the removal of the dirt and the need for the dirt.
Andrea Kosack, 1835 Seneca Boulevard, asked about the approval of the project.
Bill Bess, Vistawilla, suggested a study be made to see what effect this would have on
traffic in the area.
Moti Khemlani, president of the Tuscawilla Homeowners Association, asked that any
changes to the Settlement Agreement be done with full cognizance of the people of
Tuscawilla. He said if the City agrees to the project the following conditions
would be met by the developer: the developer would provide an escrow funding for
the completion of the entire project to specifications, and there would be some
escrow funding to insure that the project is completed. Also the entrance to
Chelsea Woods would be moved from where it is to the corner of Winter Springs
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Boulevard and Seneca Boulevard so as to encompass the four to five homes that
they are contemplating at the corner of Winter Springs Boulevard and Seneca.
Mr. Khemlani said there are some negative points: the maintenance is unknown;
who is going to guarantee the lakes will always have water in them and who
would control the use of the lakes.
Mayor Kulbes called a recess at 8:30 p. m. and called the meeting back to order
at 8:40 p.m.
Isabella Laub, Blue Spruce Court, said in order to avoid problems two or three
years down the road, there is no reason why these people who have come here this
evening cannot express their concern about the land use.
Manager Rozansky explained there have been several meetings with the developer;
there has been a staff meeting and the staff has no basic problem other than the
fact if it should be there. There are some policy decisions here that eventually
the Commission has t~ be the ultimate decision maker on that. The City Engineer
has provided a draft of what the Staff would like to see in the permit shoud the
Commission approve the permit. There were some 16 items on the draft and Manager
Rozansky asked that the dates and hours of operation be added to item 10. He also
suggested the routes of the trucks be added.
Commissioner Kaehler asked Attorney Brown if the developer would be willing to set
up an enterprise fund for the maintenance of the lakes so that they do not become
a tax burden to the citizens of Winter Springs. Attorney Brown said he would have
to address that issue, and will have a firm proposal next Monday night.
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Commissioner Jonas emphasized the need for everything to be in the contract.
Commissioner Langellotti asked if the digging of the lakes will have any effect on
groundwater in the surrounding areas and possibly causing sinkholes.
Commissioner Donnelly said she would like to see some figures on the various ponds
that have been dug in other areas. She asked how much dirt will be trucked out of
Winter Springs.
Commissioner Torcaso asked what benefit will these ponds be to residents of Tuscawilla.
Mayor Kulbes spoke against the project.
Commissioner Kaehler asked if we approve the borrow pit are we approving their concept
of a possible multifamily area being put on there because we are going to have to go
in and change the agreement.
Attorney Brown explained the single family area under the Settlement Agreement is
not changing. He said what his comment was is where the commercial property is now,
the 67 acres commercial, a parcel of that may be a multifamily site which has always
been permitted.
Attorney Kruppenbacher said there is an exhorbitant amount of detail work that has got
to be done to protect the City, and this is the first session the Commission has had
on this.
Meeting was adjourned 9:30 p.m.
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Respectfully submitted,
Mary T. Norton,
City Clerk