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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1977 06 27 City Council Regular Minutes e e 76-77 -27 . REGULAR SESSION CITY COUNCIL CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS JUNE 27, 1977 The Regular Session of the City Council of the City of Winter Springs, Florida was called to order by Mayor Troy Piland. The invocation was given by Mayor Troy Piland. The pledge of allegiance to the flag was led by Councilman Ernest Hendrix. Roll Call: Mayor Troy Piland, present City Attorney Gary Massey present Deputy Mayor John Daniels present Councilmen: Don Sines, present Ernest Hendrix, present Claude Ash, absent John Sabatini, present Motion was made by Councilman Daniels to approve the minutes of June 20 with more specific information added to paragraphs 4 and 7 on Page 2 and Paragraph 10 on Page 3. Motion was withdrawn. Motion was made by Councilman Daniels to table until the next meeting. Seconded by Councilman Hendrix. Discussion. Vote on the motion: Councilman Sines, aye; Councilman Hendrix, aye; Councilman Daniels, aye; Councilman Ash, absent; Councilman Sabatini, aye; motion carried. . The ordinance adopting a policy for pits, quarries, etc. was discussed. Mr. Massey had provided an updated copy. Under Section 17-6 - A-2 of the old copy, the second sentence after "excavations" add "on public property". Then the very next sentence down which starts with "pursuant to the inherent authority and police powers of the City", scratch out remaining part of that sentence as well as the rest of that sub-paragraph at the top of Page 6 - completely delete that down to B and add after the term "City"on the other page, back on Page 5, "the City shall bring these properties into compliance with sub-section 1 within 180 days from the date of adoption of this ordinance". In discussion Mayor Piland said that what this ordinance does is that any existing pits would require the City to take action within 180 days to correct the problem which means extensive fencing projects in most cases. Some decisions which would have to be made would be to determine how much land does the City own around the pits, would we fence the lake itself or the entire park, and since we are dealing with only man~ade bodies of water, not natural bodies of water, we would have to determine which ones are man~ade bodies. The question was asked where would the money come from for the fencing. Mayor Piland asked if the Councilmen were in agreement with the change as it is now and he could give Council the actual lineal feet as to the amount of fencing that would be required and what areas would apply as it is written now. This will be on the agenda for the next meeting. Recommendations to the Sign Ordinance were discussed. On page 3, Outdoor Advertising Signs, Mayor Piland read that paragraph. On page 7, paragraph 3, a suggested change would be "not closer than 150 feet from any point of sale sign". Mayor Piland said that by utilizing the square footage by setting a maximum or a minumum on outdoor advertising signs we can enforce it and allow a sufficient number . - e Regular Session, City Council, June 27, 1977 Page 2 76-77-27 . of signs to get to the people in the different areas without clutter. Mayor Piland said that by utilizing that formula we can clear up the signs and still have adequate advertising available to the builders. Motion was made by Councilman Daniels that we draft the necessary changes to limit the smaller size for outdoor advertising signs and that we set a public hearing to advertise this change and we do both of these in post haste. Seconded by Councilman Sines. Discussion. Vote on the motion: Councilman Sines, aye; Councilman Hendrix, aye; Councilman Daniels, aye; Councilman Ash, absent; Councilman Sabatini, aye; motion carried. Attorney Massey reported on the Double taxation lawsuit. He said he had met with Sanford City Attorney Mize. He said they talked about two different ways of doing this. One is to file a motion to add the City of Winter Springs as party plaintiff and two, file an independent action. Attorney Massey said he felt there was no merit in filing an independent action. Motion was made by Councilman Hendrix that the City of Winter Springs join in as party plaintiffs along with the City of Sanford vs. the Seminole County in its suit reference double taxation. Seconded by Councilman Sabatini. In discussion Councilman Daniels said we should cooperate with the County because he doubted whether or not a lawsuit would save any money. A cooperative effort could do it if we are willing to cooperate and consolidate some of the duplication of services. There are some services that we have that could be consolidated. . Motion was made by Councilman Sines to table. Seconded by Councilman Daniels. Discussion. Vote on the motion: Councilman Sines, aye; Councilman Hendrix, absent; Councilman Daniels, aye; Councilman Ash, absent; Councilman Sabatini, aye; motion carried. Motion was made by Councilman Sines to set a hearing time to have a motion to add a party plaintiff and prepare that motion for the Court and that motion could be withdrawn if Council decided they did not want to join in the suit. Seconded by Councilman Sabatini. Discussion. Vote on the motion: Councilman Sines, aye; Councilman Hendrix, absent; Councilman Daniels, no; Councilman Ash, absent; Councilman Sabatini, aye; motion failed. Mayor Piland said the primary reason the Planning Commission was on the agenda was because he was under the impression that the Planning Commission terminated upon acceptance of the Comprehensive Land Use Plan. After checking the ordinance, that is not the case. The Planning Commission is an on-going process and it was intended that the Planning Commission terminated after acceptance of the Land Use Plan and to turn that Planning Authority back to the Planning & Zoning Board. They would take over from that point. The ordinance to expand the Planning & Zoning Board will be on the agenda for the next meeting. Under the Mayor's Office, Councilman Daniels discussed the codification and the services we get from Municipal Code Corporation. He said that he believes we have reached the point we can do it ourselves. This is to be on the agenda for the next meeting. . Councilman Daniels discussed the subject of advertising. He said we should stream- line, clean it up and move with a little more speed. e e Regular Session, City Council, June 27, 1977 Page 3 76-77-27 . Mayor Piland reported that Chief Govoruhk is looking at dropping the two LEAA funded projects we have and that Mayor Floyd would like whatever is left in the grant. This will be discussed at our next meeting. Meeting was adjourned. REspectfully submitted, ;Jr~r: ~ Mary T. Norton, City Clerk . . 76-77 -27 REGULAR SESSION CITY COUNCIL CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS JUNE 27, 1977 The Regular Session of the City Council of the City of Winter Springs, Florida was called to order by Mayor Troy Piland. The invocation was given by Mayor Troy Piland. The pledge of allegiance to the flag was led by Councilman Ernest Hendrix. Roll Call: Mayor Troy Piland, present City Attorney Gary Massey present Deputy Mayor John Daniels present Councilmen: Don Sines, present Ernest Hendrix, present Claude Ash, absent John Sabatini, present Motion was made by Councilman Daniels to approve the minutes of June 20 with more specific information added to paragraphs 4 and 7 on Page 2 and Paragraph 10 on Page 3. Motion was withdrawn. Motion was made by Councilman Daniels to table until the next meeting. Seconded by Councilman Hendrix. Discussion. Vote on the motion: Councilman Sines, aye; Councilman Hendrix, aye; Councilman Daniels, aye; Councilman Ash, absent; Councilman Sabatini, aye; motion carried. ~;,- The ordinance adopting a policy for pits, quarries, etc. was discussed. Mr. Massey had provided an updated copy. Under Section 17-6 - A-2 of the old copy, the second sentence after "excavations" add "on public property". Then the very next sentence down which starts with "pursuant to the inherent authority and police powers of the City", scratch out remaining part of that sentence as well as the rest of that sub-paragraph at the top of Page 6 - completely delete that down to B and add after the term "City"on the other page, back on Page 5, "the City shall bring these properties into compliance with sub-section 1 within 180 days from the date of adoption of this ordinance". In discussion Mayor Piland said that what this ordinance does is that any existing pits would require the City to take action within 180 days to correct the problem which means extensive fencing projects in most cases. Some decisions which would have to be made would be to determine how much land does the City own around the pits, would we fence the lake itself or the entire park, and since we are dealing with only man-made bodies of water, not natural bodies of water, we would have to determine which ones are man-made bodies. The question was asked where would the money come from for the fencing. Mayor Piland asked if the Councilmen were in agreement with the change as it is now and he could give Council the actual lineal feet as to the amount of fencing that would be required and what areas would apply as it is written nOw. This will be on the agenda for the next meeting. Recommendations to the Sign Ordinance were discussed. On page 3, Outdoor Advertising Signs, Mayor Piland read that paragraph. On page 7, paragraph 3, a suggested change would be "not closer than l50 feet from any point of sale sign". Mayor Piland said that by utilizing the square footage by setting a maxUnum or a minumum on outdoor advertising signs we can enforce it and allow a sufficient number Regular Session, City Council, June 27, 1977 Page 2 76-77-27 of signs to get to the people in the different areas without clutter. Mayor Piland said that by utilizing that formula we can clear up the signs and still have adequate advertising available to the builders. Motion was made by Councilman Daniels that we draft the necessary changes to limit the smaller size for outdoor advertising signs and that we set a public hearing to advertise this change and we do both of these in post haste. Seconded by Councilman Sines. Discussion. Vote on the motion: Councilman Sines, aye; Councilman Hendrix, aye; Councilman Daniels, aye; Councilman Ash, absent; Councilman Sabatini, aye; motion carried. Attorney Massey reported on the Double taxation lawsuit. He said he had met with Sanford City Attorney Mize. He said they talked about two different ways of doing this. One is to file a motion to add the City of Winter Springs as party plaintiff and two, file an independent action. Attorney Massey said he felt there was nO merit in filing an independent action. Motion was made by Councilman Hendrix that the City of Winter Springs join in as party plaintiffs along with the City of Sanford vs. the Seminole County in its suit reference double taxation. Seconded by Councilman Sabatini. In discussion Councilman Daniels said we should cooperate with the County because he doubted whether or not a lawsuit would save any money. A cooperative effort could do it if we are willing to cooperate and consolidate some of the duplication of services. There are some services that we have that could be consolidated. Motion was made by Councilman Sines to table. Seconded by Councilman Daniels. Discussion. Vote on the motion: Councilman Sines, aye; Councilman Hendrix, absent; Councilman Daniels, aye; Councilman Ash, absent; Councilman Sabatini, aye; motion carried. Motion was made by Councilman Sines to set a hearing tUne to have a motion to add a party plaintiff and prepare that motion for the Court and that motion could be withdrawn if Council decided they did not want to join in the suit. Seconded by Councilman Sabatini. Discussion. Vote on the motion: Councilman Sines, aye; Councilman Hendrix, absent; Councilman Daniels, no; Councilman Ash, absent; Councilman Sabatini, aye; motion failed. Mayor Piland said the primary reason the Planning Commission was on the agenda was because he was under the Unpression that the Planning Commission terminated upon acceptance of the Comprehensive Land Use Plan. After checking the ordinance, that is not the case. The Planning Commission is an on-going process and it was intended that the Planning Commission terminated after acceptance of the Land Use Plan and to turn that Planning Authority back to the Planning & Zoning Board. They would take over from that point. The ordinance to expand the Planning & Zoning Board will be on the agenda for the next meeting. Under the Mayor's Office, Councilman Daniels discussed the codification and the services we get from Municipal Code Corporation. He said that he believes we have reached the point we can do it ourselves. This is to be on the agenda for the next meeting. Councilman Daniels discussed the subject of advertising. He said we should stream- line, clean it up and move with a little more speed. ,.~ ,-, I Regular Session, City Council, June 27, 1977 Page 3 76-77-27 Mayor Piland reported that Chief Govoruhk is looking at dropping the two LEAA funded projects we have and that Mayor Floyd would like whatever is left in the grant. This will be discussed at our next meeting. Meeting was adjourned. REspectfully submitted, ~;:~ Mary T. Norton, City Clerk Approved: - -~h~-! TROY J. P '-