HomeMy WebLinkAbout2009 06 03 Tuscawilla lighting and Beautification District Advisory Committee Special Minutes CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA
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TUSCAWILLA LIGHTING AND BEAUTIFICATION
DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE
SPECIAL MEETING
JUNE 3, 2009
CALL TO ORDER
The Tuscawilla Lighting and Beautification District Advisory Committee Special
Meeting of Wednesday, June 3, 2009 was called to Order by Chairman Rande Thompson
at 7:02 p.m. in the East Conference Room of the Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126
East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida 32708).
Roll Call:
Chairman Rande Thompson, present
Vice Chairperson Mary Brook, present
Committee Member Brenda Hayes Brown, present
Committee Member Luci Coker, absent
Committee Member Donald Gilmore, present
A moment of silence was followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.
PUBLIC INPUT
No one spoke.
REGULAR AGENDA
REGULAR
600. Community Development Department Urban Beautification Services Division
Discussion Of The Use Of The $25,000.00 Donation Funding.
Mr. Steven Richart, Urban Beautification Services Division Manager, Community
Development Department presented this Agenda Item and stated, "We are talking about
the twenty -five thousand dollars ($25,000.00) in Funding that was kindly donated that
you [Anthony A. Garganese, City Attorney] negotiated from the Country Club group. We
want to be sensitive as to how it is spent; you shared some things with me about
Landscaping that we could do. I also had a project that came to light for installing rain
sensors on the irrigation systems medians."
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Continuing, Mr. Richart noted, "In my package I have a budget of what I think it would
cost to upgrade the sensors on the medians. But most importantly, I wanted to hear from
you to share with the Board as to what you feel about how it would be received if we
spent the money on the rain sensors and what other beautification might be a respectable
way to spend the funding. I was under the impression originally that it had to be spent
specifically in the areas that we maintain but apparently that it is within the whole
TLBD (Tuscawilla Lighting and Beautification District), we could spend it anywhere."
Mr. Richart added, "I guess the issue is, if it were spent on Landscaping in an area that
was not being currently maintained by the TLBD [Tuscawilla Lighting and Beautification
District] maintenance area, then it may be something that the City would have to
maintain with other funding. My question would be `how would that be maintained
There is an area along Northern Way that is a borrow pit and that is something that could
probably use masking or..."
Chairman Thompson remarked, "...Anthony Garganese] and I spoke and obviously I
wanted to be sensitive too and again thank you on behalf of all of us here because that
was very generous and we appreciate that greatly. We spoke about this and I am very
convinced that it is a great idea to do the sensors. But I am sensitive to the fact that we
need to make sure that there is recognition to the folks that donated the money and make
sure they know that we appreciate that. We talked about the borrow pit and I do not see
why we cannot do both. And one of the ideas that I floated at Anthony [Garganese]
and I think that you thought it might be workable is to do the sensors, but then also where
the borrow pit is, put some nice foliage and create some kind of a signage that would be
more permanent that `thanks' the folks for donating the monies and you could help us
pen that."
Vice Chairperson Mary Brook asked, "Now are you talking about the borrow pits that
they are building for the Greens Chairman Thompson replied, "Correct." Attorney
Garganese commented, "There is a Landscape plan though for that for the borrow pits.
We will have to see what that looks like once they complete the project. There will be
landscape put around it. Not sure what it is going to look like at the end of the day."
Committee Member Donald A. Gilmore stated, "My question is why should the TLBD
[Tuscawilla Lighting and Beautification District Advisory Committee] pay for
landscaping the borrow pit
Mr. Richart noted, "There is twenty -five thousand [dollars] ($25,000.00) that is being
donated by the ownership of the Tuscawilla Country Club and it is in response to the
building of the cell tower and the Tuscawilla Greens Project, if I am not mistaken."
Attorney Garganese stated, "You are not going to put this on private property. The
twenty -five thousand dollars ($25,000.00) was donated and just ear- marked for
beautification purposes within the TLBD [Tuscawilla Lighting and Beautification
District]."
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Attorney Garganese continued, "Unlike, all the other funds that the TLBD [Tuscawilla
Lighting and Beautification District Advisory Committee] has, there is really no
restriction other than the fact that it has to be for beautification purposes. I can tell you
because I negotiated the intent was just to provide some sort of visible beautification
out there in the District, and I also talked to Steve [Richart] and to Rande [Thompson] as
well. We have the first half of the first installment of twelve five [thousand dollars]
($12,500.00); there is another twelve thousand five hundred dollars ($12,500.00) that will
be forthcoming sometime around September. I felt it would be a very good gesture on
the City's part to at least recognize the donor when all those funds are done and tell the
donor what the money was expended for. There really are not a lot of restrictions on the
money other than just beautification purposes and the intention being that the Community
can see that there is some value for that donation that was given."
Vice Chairperson Brook asked, "Is there a time limit; does this money have to be used
immediately Attorney Garganese stated, "No, it can be used when the City deems it
appropriate."
Much discussion followed with Mr. Richart, Attorney Garganese, and the Committee
Members on how the rain sensors currently operate and what actually causes the
problems with the sensors that being that they are on battery operation; and the
programmer actually had a virus at one point; and the options available for the solution to
the rain sensors problem was explained by Mr. Richart. Further discussion followed on
replacing the sensors, where the sensors would be located, complaints being received and
the canopy of trees on Winter Springs Boulevard.
Discussion.
Chairman Thompson inquired of Attorney Garganese, "Since you are part of this
negotiation, do you think that Tuscawilla Country Club would have a problem with
something like this taking place
Attorney Garganese responded, "You just have to spend the money for beautification
purposes. You have the discretion to do it either way. The intent was to create
something that was going to be visible. If you want to do this, I am sure that it would not
be a problem for them. Keep in mind that they owe another twelve five [thousand
dollars] ($12,500.00). Do something of value to the District."
Much discussion.
Mr. Richart suggested, "What we could do, we have done in other areas of the City, that
whole run along the Golf course on Northern Way could use some canopy." Mr. Richart
added, "Maybe a project where we actually put nice canopy trees that are sustainable
along that right of way."
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Discussion.
Advisory Committee Member Brenda Hayes Brown remarked, "I would be all for letting
you go out for bid because we have the funds to be able to do it the correct way if it
comes within that scope. And it would solve it for a more long term period."
Chairman Thompson noted, "That is what I want to do, we need to look at something that
is a long term fix."
Continuing, Mr. Richart commented, "For the short term it is more cost effective but the
other side of this is, for the long term if would did go to a centralized timer with wiring,
we are going to have less failures because these little battery timers have been failing
quite frequently; that is going to go away. If a timer fails it is going to be one (1) timer
and it is an couple hundred dollar ($200.00) cost and you are done."
Discussion.
"WHY DON'T WE PUT A MOTION OUT HERE FOR STEVEN [RICHART] TO
TAKE A LOOK AT GETTING A BID ON THE WIRE TIMERS, UPGRADING
TO THE WIRE TIMERS. WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND MOVE
FORWARD ON THAT." MOTION BY CHAIRMAN THOMPSON. SECONDED
BY VICE CHAIRPERSON BROOK. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
CHAIRMAN THOMPSON: AYE
COMMITTEE MEMBER BROWN: AYE
VICE CHAIRPERSON BROOK: AYE
COMMITTEE MEMBER GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Next, Mr. Richart commented, "I will have to construct a bid project manual from the
ground up so it will take me a few weeks to do that. I can probably be out to bid by the
end of July; if that is okay. And then I will get it on the Street."
Discussion.
Chairman Thompson reminded the Committee, "Then the next question is we have
twelve thousand five hundred [dollars] ($12,500.00), are there any areas that you folks
would like to see where the it sounds like plantings is the way people want to go with
that."
Subsequently, Mr. Richart stated, "If you all want me to come up with a couple of
suggestions for projects, there is no hurry to do anything, we have plenty of time or you
could tell me your suggestions and I can see if it is feasible."
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Mr. Richart added, "Let's come up with a few projects and start working on it."
Chairman Thompson instructed the Committee, "If anybody has any suggestions email
them to Steven [Richart]."
Much discussion followed regarding the possibility of making improvements to some of
the Parks, in particular to Sam Smith Park.
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Mr. Garganese stated, "It is consistent with the donation that was given and I think that
the City needs to honor the donation and the donor's generosity." Advisory Committee
Member Brown commented, "I definitely think if you want to do that, if we did some
plantings in Sam Smith Park then a small sign could go in there attributing some of it and
giving them credit to it. And that would probably be perfect place for something like
where a lot more people would see it." Chairman Thompson noted, "And along with a
letter and we had talked about some kind of signage and I think that is important. And
that will be long lasting and it is going to highlight it."
Next, Mr. Richart requested that Vice Chairperson Brook meet with him and the Parks
and Recreation Director Chuck Pula to discuss the potential of plantings and
improvements to the park. Mr. Richart stated, "I will set up a Meeting to meet."
REGULAR
601. Community Development Department Urban Beautification Services Division
Discussion Of The Funding Remaining From The Sign Refurbishment Project.
Mr. Richart introduced this Agenda Item and stated, "This item has developed; and we
are talking about the sign refurbishment project and the thirty thousand ($30,000.00) that
was left over from the seventy -five thousand dollar ($75,000.00) budget." Discussion.
Continuing with discussion on the Fund Balance, Mr. Richart commented, "We are
running between five and five -sixty thousand [dollars] on this five (5) year forecast here
and with the economy the way it is, probably around twenty percent (20
Continuing, Mr. Richart added, "But that is going to be a policy decision of this Board at
this time; we are going to ask you tonight to decide what is comfortable for the Board as
far as what we should be carrying in Fund Balance. There are three options here: `A',
`B', and `C'."
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Further discussion ensued, and Mr. Richart added, 'A' is leave it the way it is; in other
words our revenues; our assessments; we vary by a couple thousand [dollars] $(2,000.00)
but it is roughly two hundred and seventy six thousand [dollars] ($276,000.00) by [year]
2012. If we reduce the rate, which I think would be advisable right now, by nine dollars
($9.00) for the rest of the time, in other words, the next three (3) years. It will deplete our
Fund Balance into the mid one forties which to me is very comfortable.
Advisory Board Member Brown stated, "I am sure that Steven [Richart] knows that I had
a discussion with Kelly [Balagia, Budget Analyst) today, too and that is exactly where I
was going to go. What came out of it is, the fifteen to twenty percent (15 20 mark
was a good guideline for the reserve and that somewhere right in between one fifteen to
one forty eight was a good comfortable position and would allow for any increases that
would allow for the whole Progress Energy that is unknown and actually Steven's
[Richart] proposal of nine dollars ($9.00) was far more generous than I was going to be.
I was going to say at least six dollars ($6.00) is what we need to reduce the assessment
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Discussion.
Mr. Richart remarked, "The first question to this Board is where does this Board want to
be as far as what percentage we carry? What percentage expenditure would we want to
carry? Is it fifteen (15), twenty (20) or twenty -seven percent (27 Vice Chairperson
Brook stated, "We have a lot of unknowns of what is going to come about and where we
will need money. I agree with Don [Gilmore], in that it is always difficult to go back and
ask for more."
Attorney Garganese suggested, "Do it in multiple budget, multiple years as a graduated
approach just if you want to be more cautious. You can reduce two (2) years in a row
rather than one (1)."
Mr. Richart stated, "The numbers I am talking about are for the next three (3) years. So
whatever you say, unless we change it and graduate it like Anthony [Garganese] is saying
we are talking about three (3) years at of that rate here on this sheet."
Discussion.
"I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO DECREASE THE ASSESSMENT BY SIX
DOLLARS ($6.00) A YEAR." MOTION BY ADVISORY COMMITTEE
MEMBER BROWN. SECONDED BY ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBER
GILMORE. DISCUSSION.
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VOTE:
CHAIRMAN THOMPSON: AYE
COMMITTEE MEMBER GILMORE: AYE
COMMITTEE MEMBER BROWN: AYE
VICE CHAIRPERSON BROOK: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Chairman Thompson stated, "Everybody is going to look at possible projects within..."
Mr. Richart asked, "...For July
Chairman Thompson stated, "Right. Email them to Steven [Richart] and let's do that
separately and not to the group."
Continuing, Chairman Thompson commented, "Let's pick a few places, that way, Steven
Richart] can take a look at it and Mary [Brook] if you would be so kind to and then
that way when we come back in July, so that we can decide and that is in regards to the
twelve five [thousand dollars] ($12,500.00) now but the twenty -five thousand [dollars]
($25,000.00). And I agree with Anthony Garganese], as we spend some of these
monies, this City or this Board needs to write a letter thanking them for it, and if would
could create some kind of a signage." Mr. Richart stated, "I would also like to recognize
them in front of the Commission."
Chairman Thompson reiterated, "And secondly, looks like six dollars ($6.00) is what
were going to reduce that by." Further Discussion.
Next, Chairman Thompson asked, "You think you should be able to have those bids by
July Mr. Richart replied, "It will be near the end of July. It will not be for the
Meeting." Chairman Thompson stated, "I would like it to be with this Board." Mr.
Richart commented, "I will try to rush it up."
Discussion.
Attorney Garganese addressed the Sunshine Law and noted, "Two (2) members of the
same Board cannot communicate outside of the advertised Public Meeting; that would
include communicating by email. The Attorney General has advised that Board
Members can send information to other Board Members but the Board Members that
received that information cannot respond; there cannot be any dialogue.
I have always cautioned my clients, when you are sending information you want your
other Board Members to see, send it to the Clerk's office; have the Clerk's Office
disseminate it. Do not send it directly out to other Board Members, because people
inadvertently hit that reply all and you have a technical little issue that you have to deal
with under the Sunshine Law; so, it is always better to like tonight you directed that
everybody provide their wish list for the twelve thousand five [dollars] ($12,500.00)."
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Chairman Thompson responded, "I appreciate that."
Next, Mr. Richart spoke regarding Line Codes and the need for a separate Line Code for
Street Light Maintenance and Street Sign Maintenance and commented, `But anything
that is not specifically broken out goes into Landscape."
Vice Chairperson Brook inquired, "How do we go about getting the trees trimmed away
from the street lights
Mr. Richart answered, "We just did that last year. We have a cycle that we go through to
do that. I can request it of the Public Works Department. If we want it done sooner, of
course, we would have to do it but I can request them to do it as soon as they can." Mr.
Richart added, "Let me see what I can do to get that done. What road specifically again
Vice Chairperson Brook stated, "Winter Springs [Boulevard] down around Glen Eagle
[Subdivision] along in that area, there is several that just as you go on towards Oviedo."
ADJOURNMENT
Chairman Thompson adjourned the Special Meeting at 8:34 p.m.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED:
Syr
CAROL A. LALLATHIN
ASSISTANT TO THE CITY CLERK
NOTE: These Minutes were approved at the October 21, 2009 Tuscawilla Lighting and Beautification District Advisory Committee
Regular Meeting.