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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2005 12 05 East Rural Area Property Owners Committee Regular Minutes CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES EAST RURAL AREA PROPERTY OWNERS COMMITTEE MEETING DECEMBER 5, 2005 1. CALL TO ORDER The East Rural Area Property Owners Committee Meeting of Monday, December 5,2005 was called to order at 5:01 p.m. by Chairman William T. Minter in the East Training Room of the Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida 32708). 2. ROLL CALL: Chairman William T. Minter, present Committee Member William Rex Clonts, present Committee Member Paul Aurbeck, present Committee Member Robert J. King, present Committee Member Helen E. VanHouten, present Committee Member Susan Wooley, arrived at 5:03 Committee Member Robert Wright, absent 3. APPROVAL OF THE OCTOBER 27,2005 MEETING MINUTES Chairman Minter said, "First order of business, approval of the October 2ih [2005] Meeting Minutes." "SO MOVED." MOTION BY COMMITTEE MEMBER CLONTS. SECONDED BY COMMITTEE MEMBER VANHOUTEN. DISCUSSION. WITH CONSENSUS OF THE COMMITTEE, THE MOTION WAS APPROVED. MOTION CARRIED. 4. APPROVAL OF THE OCTOBER 27, 2005 WORKSHOP MEETING MINUTES Chairman Minter said, "And approval of the Workshop Meeting Minutes." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES EAST RURAL AREA PROPERTY OWNERS COMMITTEE MEETING - DECEMBER 5, 2005 PAGE20F5 "SO MOVED." MOTION. SECONDED BY COMMITTEE MEMBER WOOLEY. DISCUSSION. WITH CONSENSUS OF THE COMMITTEE, THE MOTION WAS APPROVED. MOTION CARRIED. 5. PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION BY CONSULTANTS AND STAFF OF EAST RURAL AREA PLANNED CONSERVATION AND DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT STANDARDS Ms. Eloise Sahlstrom, AICP, ASLA, Senior Planner, Community Development Department introduced the Consultants. Mr. Trevor Hall, Real Estate Broker, Director - Land Services, Colliers Arnold Orlando, 622 East Washington Street, Suite 300, Orlando, Florida: spoke regarding his business proj ects. Mr. Chip Webb, Trammell Webb Partners, 1420 East Robinson Street, Orlando, Florida: commented on his involvement on similar projects. Mr. John Fernsler, Wallace, Roberts & Todd, LLC, 119 Giralda Avenue, Penthouse, Coral Gables, Florida: presented a PowerPoint presentation on Development Standards for the East Rural Area. Discussion. Tape l/Side B Discussion ensued on environmental issues. Chairman Minter recessed the Meeting at 6:08 p.m. Chairman Minter reconvened the Meeting at 6:38 p.m. Ms. Sahlstrom said, "We really need to try to build some kind of Consensus to know from you as a Committee if this 'Tier Structure' that has been outlined - parts of it that you like or - all of it or where we are at." City Manager Ronald W. McLemore said, "Where design has such an impact, I think we should go forward and give a feel of the design standards because they really do have a final effect on what the impact of this Development is. So, I would suggest that we go through the design standards and start raising some of these issues about - how you get the quality." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES EAST RURAL AREA PROPERTY OWNERS COMMITTEE MEETING - DECEMBER 5, 2005 PAGE30F5 Discussion ensued on Development. Chairman Minter said, "I think our job is going to be to have a compromise between land owners and with the existing population - what they kind of envision - and go along with the City government and the County government and do our best effort on this thing. But, I think everybody's got to give a little bit one way or another to get a compromise." Chairman Minter added, "My interest would be to have the larger lots, have the custom homes and have a real nice development." Committee Member William Rex Clonts said, "My concern is that we may have a little too much conservation space but I think - we are on the right track." Mr. Fernsler discussed the handout, "East Rural Area Development Standards Draft". Tape 2/Side A Discussion continued on the handout. Referencing the above ground utilities, Mr. Fernsler said, "Do we even want to allow overhead utilities at all in these Developments?" The Committee Members were not in favor of this. Manager McLemore stated, "No, is my recommendation." Mr. Fernsler spoke regarding County Stormwater requirements and said, "I was told that the City [of Winter Springs] already has higher standards than that." Committee Member Clonts asked, "Can we get a copy of those?" Discussion continued on the "East Rural Area Development Standards Draft". Committee Member Robert King asked, "I understand we are dealing with Code but - apparently this is site specific parcels - I just want to - how it fits into - the Master Plan?" Manager McLemore said, "We were not going to Master Plan. We - Design Development Standards rather than Master Plan." Mr. Fernsler said, "No one has control over the many owners - so, Master Plan is not really implementable. This is a menu of what we think are better choices that individual owners can choose to pursue or not." Discussion. Tape 2/Side 8 Committee Member Clonts asked, "Is there a way to have - outside input on what we have done here? Is Owen Beitsch [Real Estate Research Consultants] - someone that would do that?" Manager McLemore said, "Tell me what you would want done." Committee Member Clonts said, "Look at this and say, 'These things tend to make sense from a Developer's viewpoint - we had experience working through this type of regulation' ." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES EAST RURAL AREA PROPERTY OWNERS COMMITTEE MEETING - DECEMBER 5, 2005 PAGE40F5 Mr. Trevor Hall said, "On the overall value it appears as though the equation should work out reasonably well and Chip's [Webb] point - you should be able to get market acceptance - the values will be there for the owners." In discussing road widths, curbs and gutters, Manager McLemore said, "Do you have to have a paved road?" With Consensus of the Committee Members all agreed to have paved roads. Discussion. Committee Member King said, "Your 'Standards' say that when that road exceeds a certain number of cars, you have to make improvements to it. If you do not rewrite your 'Standards' now you will be tearing that road out and rebuilding it." Discussion ensued on roads. 6. COMMITTEE DISCUSSION DETERMINATION OF CONSENSUS IDENTIFICATION OF NEXT STEPS Ms. Sahlstrom asked, "I would like to ask the Committee what you see as the next step. If you want to meet in January [2006] or if you feel that we are ready to take this to the Commission as a Workshop." Chairman Minter said, "I think it might be a good idea to get some feedback from them [Commission] after they review this - if we can have a Consensus if that is what we want to do." Committee Member King asked, "Are you proposing to submit something to the Commissioners as a 'Draft' or as a 'Report'?" Manager McLemore said, "We submit it to them as a 'Report' and then the Commission - has the ability to 'Amend it', 'Accept it', 'Reject it'." Committee Member King then said, "I would certainly feel more comfortable reviewing a 'Draft', its language, its content, being able to discuss it and react to it prior to being submitted to them as our 'Report'." Manager McLemore said, "I think that is fair." Manager McLemore added, "But, we have to know - what is it we are agreeing to and what we are not agreeing to." Next, Committee Member King said, "It appears that there is one (1) more Meeting necessary for us to approve the 'Draft'. I do not see how we can do that individually without discussion." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES EAST RURAL AREA PROPERTY OWNERS COMMITTEE MEETING - DECEMBER 5, 2005 PAGES OF 5 Mr. Fernsler said, "My suggestion would be - to send your suggested requirements to Eloise [Sahlstrom] if you could compile them - Consensus and do a final 'Draft'." Manager McLemore said, "We need to get an agreement at the next Meeting." Chairman Minter said, "How about the 26th [January 2006]?" Ms. Sahlstrom said, "So, 7:00 [p.m.] on the 26th [January 2006]?" There were no objections from the Committee Members. Ms. Sahlstrom said, "We will send a 'Draft' Report to you ahead of time based on your comments." Committee Member Clonts said, "If you will send that a couple of weeks before - so we will have a chance to review it." Ms. Sahlstrom said, "Okay." Committee Member King said, "The issue of Transition is not going away." Committee Member King added, "The Standards that we are writing are just open-ended for East Rural Area - so, it's clear that the - Standards that we are reviewing right now are not represented in this thousand acres anymore. It's just a general Standard for whatever land that gets developed." Ms. Sahlstrom asked, "What is the Consensus? Do you want it to be limited to this area?" Committee Member King said, "I think we should be clear one way or another." Committee Member King added, "I have a preference. This is what the Committee was tasked to do, was a thousand acres." 7. REPORTS None were given. 8. ADJOURNMENT "I MOVE WE ADJOURN." MOTION. SECONDED. DISCUSSION. WITH CONSENSUS OF THE COMMITTEE, THE MOTION WAS APPROVED. MOTION CARRIED. Chairman Minter adjourned the Meeting at approximately 8:25 p.m. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED BY: J AN L. BROWN EPUTY CITY CLERK NOTE: These Minutes were approved at the January 26, 2006 East Rural Area Property Owners Committee Meeting.