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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1995 04 06 District Commission Regular Minutes tJ DISTRICTING COMMISSION CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS APRIL 6,1995 The meeting was called to order by Chairman Gene Lein at 7:02 p.m. ROLL CALL: Kathleen Roy, present 0.1. "Skip" Drumheller, present Bruce Coxe, present Ken Haines, present Gene Lein, Chairman, present Vern Rozelle, absent Lee Ferguson, absent Approval of March 23. 1995 Minutes: Chairman Lein requests any additions or changes. No additions or changes were announced. Minutes stand approved as stated. Deliberation on District Lines Kathleen Roy presented her plan as follows: Keep neighborhoods together as much as possible, and even out the count and also think about the future growth. Put all of Oak Forest together. District 2-she took 1,037 out of Oak Forest, added 485 from Bear Creek Estates, Carrington Woods and side streets.(Grizzly, Wild Cat, Cougar and Woodchuck) Continuing the high tension wire as the boundary. Took 63 from Arbor Glen to get it all together. Which gave her 5194. District 3-took out Carrington Woods, Bear Creek and side streets and subtracted Arbor Glen which gave her 5208. District 5-she added Oak Forest. Added to District 2 all around 434 as you come to city hall, and down Tuscawilla Road as you go towards stop and go light by the convenience store, and she drove around area by Lake Jessup and counted houses. (Didn't go by plat book.) Also Seminole Pines. Ms. Roy corrected herself: Added Oak Forest, Subtracted Hwy 434, Lake Jessup, Subtracted Seminole Pines and the 182 in Section 8 which gave her 5125. Distrist I-subtracted that 182 and got 5217. District 4 stays the same. Everything was within .2 of a percent. Ms. Roy commented that District 5 and 3 will grow a lot, so Bear Creek and area may come back over to District 3. Ms. Roy also explained she counted heads. Started with their figures, subtracted houses, multiplied by the formula-the resulted are numbers that aren't exact census count. She added and subtracted from their numbers. She called off numbers: 13 dwellings, 8, 7, 6, 60 which were multiplied by the 3.03 times the .94 so it won't come to same census figures that he's estimating; which is really a mien between a census estimate and a traffic estimate. Districting Commission April 6, 1995 Page 2 of 5 Mr. Rozelle arrived at 7: 12 p.m. Requested copies to be made. Chairman Lein stated the numbers they were given were new permits which add to the previous figure. Ms. Roy stated that's why the house count is totally different when using the formula. Subtracting and adding dwellings. She stated she used the formula and started with the figures given. The mobile home park figures read different from what the formula reads. The real counts can be higher or lower. She had called the parks-Seminole Pines reads 203, but the actual count was 191. Hacienda Village reads 882, but actual count was 800. This was confusing to her because one count is done by population and when you start adding and subtracting according to the formula, you're really mixing apples and oranges. Chairman Lein asked Ms. Roy what she would do next time. She answered that she would go with just all dwellings to stay consistent. Everybody by head count, not by census. Suggested a program in the water department that would formulate the numbers and add people not on city water. Add the new, and constantly use the same formula every two years. Ms. Roy posted her map on the wall. Mr. Rozelle interjected if you start with a good base line to begin with, then the update could be done easily. Wildwood is another example of not being correct. They are basing this on patio homes and cluster homes. He divided 779 by the 3.03, then took 94% of that and if you work backwards it comes to 242 dwelling units, but there's 284 dwelling units in there. They are single family and clusters. Even at 3.03 times the count, it would still come out to more than 779. My subdivision is low on the population count. There would be errors in each district which would even themselves out. Chairman Lein asked Ms. Roy about the diagonal line. She answered, that was to encompass Seminole Pines. The line comes around 434 and Seminole Pines is the line which is close to Winding Hollow. Section 8 was put back into District 1. From District 2 moved Oak Forest to District 5 so it will all be together, moved into District 2-Carrington Woods, Bear Creek Estates, and side streets.(not Davenport Glen) District 3 moved what she put into District 2 and Arbor Glen. She said the boundary runs around Arbor Glen. Chairman Lein explained, they need to use main streets, creeks, power lines, things to be easily identified. Mr. Rozelle stated the previous District 2 went through the middle of Arbor Glen. It was explained the reason for that was the power line, and that was the guidelines. Districting Commission April 6, 1995 Page 3 of 5 Ms. Roy mentioned that a lot of people may not have been included in the census because they're back in the woods.(145 count, 29 in Lake Jessup area, 13 on Tuscawilla Rd., 9 on 434 before Seminole Pines) No changes in District 4. Moved Oak Forest all to District 5. Removed from District 5, the area starting at Tuscawilla Road on down to the lake (High School, City Hall, Seminole Pines) and placed it in District 2. Chairman Lein questioned the district line. He would like to see a main street such as 434 being used as the line. Three more maps were posted. (Mr. Rozelle, Mr. Lein, and Mr. Haines) Mr. Rozelle stated he was not aware there were more than just Seminole Pines in the area. Recalculated his figures, needed to verify count. Also mentioned he had different count for Tuscawilla area off Winter Springs Blvd, moved it out of District 3 into District 2. Kept District 4 the same. Added the 205 into District 1, moved a section of District 5 into District 1 to even them up. His count slightly different from hers. Counted subdivision in section 4 (pointed part that goes to 434/419 and back, off Sherry Drive-triangle) Actual count-220 and plat book count- 212. ,..- Mr Rozelle asked, Mr. LeBlanc clarifies changes by the books, not physically counting houses? Chairman Lein answered Yes. Mr. Haines explained his tenth of 1 % error was corrected by moving into District 2 the 11 homes from District 3 in Arbor Glen. Now all of Arbor Glen is in District 2. Line runs south of Arbor Glen. Mr Rozelle stated his plan as follows: Kept District 4 the same. Kept Oak Forest together. District 1 changed to 5360 or 20.5%. District 2 at 20.2%. Conclusion. Discussion. Chairman Lein read from Section 4.02, C(I) from the Ordinance: Each district shall be formed of compact contiguous territory, and its boundary lines shall follow the center lines of streets in so far as practical or possible, or other boundaries available. Mr Rozelle mentioned the second principal of equal and effective representation. Discussion. Chairman Lein announced again the need for identifiable boundaries. Discussion on the district line running behind Seminole Pines on Ms. Roys map. Mr. Drumheller asked about Ms. Roys district line for Arbor Glen. It was stated the whole subdivision would be encompassed to the south. Districting Commission April 6, 1995 Page 4 of 5 Mr. Rozelle questioned Mr. Lein on the March 23, 1995 minutes where he said he moved 22 homes from Arbor Glen and 87 homes from Unit 6, Tuscawilla from District 3 to District 5. Mr. Lein corrected himself stating he meant to say, the 22 homes from Arbor Glen and 87 homes from Unit 6, Tuscawilla would go into District 2. The map was correct. Discussion on the division of neighborhoods; districting pertaining to commission voting. They went over Ms. Roy's map again. County land within the districts was discussed. Mr. Haines made a motion to accept Ms. Roys map assuming the numbers were correct which the staff will check; Mr. Rozelle seconds. Chairman Lein stated there will not be time to have corrections made. More discussion on county land within the city limits. Mr. Haines looked at map in the commission chambers, and stated Orange Avenue is county land. There are a few areas that are county. This finding would change calculations. The district commission agrees they are not comfortable with the county land numbers. Mr. Rozelle asked if they could approve Ms. Roy's map subject to Mr. LeBlanc verifying the numbers, and use Mr. Haines map as a back up. The map needs to be presented to the commission either May 8, 1995 or May 22, 1995. Mr. Lein will be out of town on the 22nd of May. Decision was made to have another meeting so members could make their corrections. Mr. Haines rescinded the motion. Mr. Rozelle asked Chairman Lein if their commission has to have the public hearing. Mr. Lein answered yes. Discussion on why there has to be a public hearing, and who must hold the public hearing. Mr. Drumheller pointed out, they started with information provided by the City of Winter Springs staff They have to do the best job they can with the information given. Chairman Lein stated they had given a figure to start with, then Mr. LeBlanc gave them a number, which were new permits to add to the starting figure. A total figure of26,054.. Mr. LeBlanc worked out the figures from the building permits, using the 94% occupancy rate. Then he came up with numbers added to each district. Those are solid numbers, nothing to divide or multiply. Discussion on getting Ms. Roy's total count to match the 26,054 figure. Discussion on meeting for Monday, April 10, 1995. There were 3 maps from which to choose. Districting Commission April 6, 1995 Page 5 of 5 Chairman Lein asked each member if they want to make a decision tonight or next meeting. Kathleen Roy-extend it further. Ken Haines-work it out and get it done. Bruce Coxe-finish tonight if we could. Vern Rozelle-finish tonight. Also had 2 Skip Drumheller-finish tonight, but more interested in doing it right. Recalculations of Ms. Roy's map. There were no corrections needed on Chairman Lein's map. Four moves total. Mr. Haines plan had to correct his map by moving Arbor Glen from District 3 into District 2. Four moves total. Ms. Roy's map had 5 moves. Ms. Roy moves to adjourn until Monday. .- Chairman Lein announces the next meeting will be held Monday, April 10, 1995 at 6:00 p.m. in the conference room.He will try to contact the absentee member. The meeting adjourned at 9:30 p.m. Respectfully Submitted, Martha R. Jenkins Deputy City Clerk