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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1987 10 07 Minutes l00787.CAL OF TH E /' ,) ~. ~ ... r-;;:; ...'0 V' ! ,") '~'..:~,~ f.... '. \:..) ,~ ,,~~( .. " ~'\. \3' r1 INUTES CAL NO 11E ETING "", Octobe r 7, 1987 7:00 P.M. Lake Ma ry Ci ty Hall I . Call to 0 r de r The meeting was called to order by Commissioner Jane Dees at 7:06 P.M. Oviedo City II. Pledge of Allegiance III. Roll Call Commissioner Lee Constantine, Altamonte Springs Hayor Owen Sheppa rd, Casselber ry Commissioner Tom Mahoney, Lake Mary Commissioner June Lormann, Longwood Commissioner Jane Dees, Oviedo f1ayor Bettye Smith, Sanford Seminole County Commissioner Bill Kirchhoff Ralph Bormet, Ci tizens Outlook IV. Approval of Minutes Motion was Constantine, Lormann, to s u bm it t ed . made seconded approve by by the Commissioner Comm is s ione r minutes as Vote on Motion: Voice Vote: Yes Hotion Carried. V. Treasurer's Report Commissioner Lorrnann said the latest balance was $429.59. VI. Old Business A. New State Taxes Mayor Sheppard said nothing conclusive has been done so far, and the County is bearing all the burden because the ballots are already printed and are all se t to go. Commissioner Kirchhoff said the County is allocating just enough to cove r expenses through next Tuesday (October 13, 1987) but after that date, the County will have to start spending money. Commissioner Kirchhoff said if the County has no decision by next Tuesday, then they will have to proceed as if there is going to be an election. Hayor Sheppard said it appeared the option as far as the cities are conce med is the S-1/2-cent state tax and the 1/2-cent County tax, which will be a total 6- cent tax with the City and County sharing the 1/2 1 I00787.CAL cent, which is about half of the anticipated amount. Mayor Smith asked if there was anything they could do as a body. Commissioner Kirchhoff said he didn't know of anything that can be done and hopefully the County will come to some agreement. Mayor Sheppard said the cities are concerned about thei r reven ues. Commmissioner Dees said she is distressed that the burden is being put back on the vote rs. r-1ayor Sheppa rd said all the heat is on the County because if they go with the 5/-1/2-cent and then the 1/2-cent for local, then it would be passed by ordinance, not referendum. Commissioner Dees said she felt everyone better off if it comes down so the County imposes the tax. would be Comm is s ion VI I. New Business Mayor Sheppard asked about the Charter meeting at Hr. Hoope r' s home next we ek. Mayor Smith asked if the various ones present were representing their city at that. Mayor Sheppard said at first t1r. Hooper asked that each representative of each city speak, and he told Mr. Hooper he didn't wan t to spe ak if he had noth ing good to say, but felt each city should have representation there. Hayor Smith said she had another commitment and would not be able to attend and another representative would be discussed and decided Monday night. Mayor Sheppard said the absence of a city has a message in itself. Commissioner Dees said she knew nothing about it but would have s omeon e repre sen t Ov i edo . Commis sioner Constan tin e sa id they have not chosen a delegate. Commissioner Constantine said they had a Commission Meeting that evening and their City Manager did not feel comfortable going to it and would probably send their City Attorney, but at the same time this is an individual question more than a collective question. Commissioner Constantine said he thought what the Charter Study Group needs to know is the city's point of view, what would the city expect to have and not to have if there was a Charter, such as appointments of positions, and what sort of safeguards would the city would like to see provided. Commissioner Dees said even though the cities more or less started this, it doesn't necessarily mean they have to support it. Commissioner Kirchhoff said the thing with charters is that you have to look to see what it says as to whether it's something you would want to support or not. Commissioner Dees said until you have the document, you can't really say if you support it or not, but would attend the meeting. Mayor Sheppard asked the latest on the litigation on the 2 I00787.CAL moratorium on impact fees. Commissioner Kirchhoff said the courts have to deliberate on things and would neve r anticipate what the court system is going to decide. Commissioner Kirchhoff said Geneva has solved the problem of guns at the convenience store at the corner by posting signs that read "PLEASE CHECK ALL YOUR GUNS WITH THE CASHIE R WHEN YOU ENTE R THE STORE". Commissioner Constantine asked to go back to the charter discussion and said that committee was established by the County only to study the possibility of whether the County should consider a charter. Commissioner Constantine said the latitudes and opportunities it gives the County to be independent in certain gove rnment al aspects is appealing and possible because it would be bringing governments back down to the basic group it is governing and are saying to them "establish your rules". Commissioner Constantine said if Seminole County had a charter and it was made too complicated, it would be thrown out by the voters, however, if there were a "vanilla" charter with a few minor changes, it would probably pass and then add things later along in years. Mayor Sheppard said what may be "vanilla" to one city may mean "chocolate" to othe rs. Commissioner Constantine said the County is not sitting down now and writing the charter but is simply saying does self reliance and self government make it the closest you can get which is allowed by the legislature for counties to write a charter government to decide things within the county without having to run to the state legislature, or if you're going to have the county charter, what things don't you want in it to make it bad. Commissioner Constan tine said he fel t that question could be tackled separately. Commissioner Kirchhoff said a lot of people think if the county or city gets a charter, then they will be able to do away with certain offices, and the advantages and disadvantages need to be looked at. Commissioner Lormann said she received a call the night from someone who said he was told the County to take over all the cities. o th e r wanted f\1ayo r Sheppa rd asked Commis sio ne r Maho ney if and when Lake Mary builds a new city hall, would the present city hall be retained, and Commissioner Hahoney said it would. VIII. Reports from Membe rs: 2~miDQ1~ ~QgD!Y ~Qm~iEEiQD Commissioner Kirchhoff said at the State Association of County Commissioners r'1eeting, he learned Mrs. Glenn was running for an office. ~ij;y gf ~~.!}iQ-IQ f'layor Smith said they got through their budget with only one citizen coming out to complain complaints were not too loud. hearings and his Mayor Smith said shortly after her return from the Soviet Union, Lonnie Groot had sent her some excerpts from the Soviet Constitution and they are guaranteed freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, etc. which shows that words on paper do not mean a thing and was extremely happy to back in the 3 100787.CAL country and eve ryone should do eve rything they can to protect it. ~i.ty 21 Qvi~gQ Commissioner Dees said Oviedo had their budget hearings, the rolled back millage rate had to be advertised, and due to growth the ad went into the paper saying the tax rate had gone up 30%. Commissioner Dees said the tax rate did not go up 30% and the tax rate remained exactly the same and it was distressing trying to explain this to the citizens. Commissioner Dees said the citizens were not concerned about the budget but about the 30% that was in the paper and thought it was ludicrous that since they no longer have to follow the trim bill as they used to, that they even have to go through that advertising. Commissioner Dees said she had no problem advertising what the rate is and what the rate was last year but the actual things the people pay are what they are concerned with and unde rs tand. Commissioner Kirchhoff it wasn't mandatory to advertise in the Orlando paper and elimination of these advertisements would be a budgetary cut. Commis sio ne r the Sanford diffe rence. Lormann said they went from the Sentinel to Herald because there was a tremendous I4ayor Sheppard said the only requi rement was the size of the ad and the contents in a paper of general ci rculation. Commissioner Dees said she would appreciate anything to change the rules regarding the advertising of the budget. Commissioner Dees said Oviedo was very excited about having the first ever re-surfacing program and have re- surfaced all or part of 14 streets. Commissioner Dees said yesterday morning (October 6, 1987) in st. Petersburg, they signed $3.5 million worth of bond commitments to build roads and were ve ry excited about getting on with that project too. Commissioner Dees said they have been visiting city halls and are in the process of planning theirs, and it was very interesting to see the different approaches to the use of space and have learned a lot doing it. ~i1Y 21 1Q.ng~Q.2Q Commissioner Lormann said they have passed thei r budget and had no complaints from any citizens, although two Commissioners had voted against it. Commissioner Dees asked if there were specific reasons, and Commissioner Lormann said one was confused and one was against the swat team. Commissioner Constantine asked about Longwood's gun law, and Commissioner Lormann said they did not allow any guns inside any municipal buildings or on any municipal pro pe r t y . r-layor Sheppard the re will be no is a meeting in says "r4EET ING IN said the State law as it stands now guns allowed in public buildings if session, so you could post a sign SES SION - FIREARHS PROHIBITED". says tbe re that Commissioner Lormann said their law restricts firearms all the time. Commissioner Lormann said she and the Mayor are up for re- elect ion on Novembe r 3, 1987. 4 100787.CAL ~i1Y Qi 1Eke ME~Y Commissioner Mahoney said he was happy to serve on CALNO. Commissioner Mahoney said tomorrow night (October 8, 1987), the Lake Ha ry City Commis sio n wi 11 have a wo rkshop to discuss the issues of the new city hall and hopefully be working hastily towards the construction of a new municipal complex. ~ilY Qi ~E~~~lQ~~~Y Mayor Sheppard had no report at this time. 8113mQ~1~ QE~i~g~ Commissioner Constantine said they have gone through their first group of Comprehensive Land Plan changes. Commissioner Constantine said there were 10, of which 1 was the transportation element, 8 were zoning changes directed by staff, and 1 was a request by development which was turned down and the other 9 were approved. Commissioner Constantine said the only thing they have done about the gun law was to send a wire to their legislative delegation asking them to please repeal the gun law as they have it today. Commissioner Constantine said they have started monitoring the courts with a computer system which was very inexpensive and saved the police department about ten hours per week. Commissioner Constantine said there was a one-time setup cost of $3,000. Hayor Sheppa rd said he thought the State would be requiring much more recording in the police departments. Commissioner Constantine said Orlando and Titusville both have the picking up and savings of newspapers and are re- cycling, and the original cost was about $6,000 to get this implemented but over time will be saving money. Commissioner Constantine said residents send in a card provided by the city, either through the water bill or whatever ways the city communicates with the citizens, then the garbage collectors pick up the baskets on a regular trash pickup, keeping it separate, and they take it down and collect the money. Commissioner Constantine said he thought it was something the cities should look in to. Hayor Sheppard said in the new Mobile Auto Club Directory, Altamonte Springs and Sanford were named as the two cities of interest in Seminole County. IX. Next Hee ting The next meeting will be held November 4, 1987 at Longwood City Hall. --..,-.".....__._~~.~-.,. x. Adjournment The meeting adjourned at 7:59 P.M. -~~c1Pbe~- City of Lake Mary, Florida /mac 5