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CITY COMMISSION
ITEM 201
Public Hearing
Regular
November 13, 2006
Meeting
MGR. /DEPT
Authorization
REQUEST: The Community Development Department requests that the Commission hold a
Public Hearing for the Aesthetic Review of the addition of a 2.55 square foot Washington Mutual
non-illuminated sign on one side (the east side) of the existing clock-tower at the Doran site, near
the intersection of Cliff Rose Drive and SR 434.
PURPOSE: To encourage creative, effective, and flexible architectural standards and cohesive
community development consistent with the intent and purpose of Article XII - Minimum
Community Appearance and Aesthetic Review Standards, Section 9-601 of the City Code
requires proposed permanent signs to be approved by the City Commission.
Within the Town Center, the City Commission is the Development Review Committee and has
authority for all aspects of exterior architecture, including aesthetic appropriateness (Subsection
20-321 (b) (1)).
APPLICABLE LAW AND PUBLIC POLICY:
Section 9-601. Approval prerequisite for permits.
Section 9-603. Procedure.
Section 9-605. Submittal requirements.
Section 20-321. Administration.
Section 20-327. Architectural guidelines.
Development Agreement and subsequent modifications
CONSIDERATIONS: The submittal requirements for aesthetic review are set forth in
Section 9-605 and include the spaces; (c) illustrations of all walls, fences, and other accessory
structures and the indication of height and their associated materials; (d) elevation of proposed
exterior permanent signs or other constructed elements other than habitable space, if any; (e)
illustrations of materials, texture, and colors to be used on all buildings, accessory structures,
exterior signs; and (f) other architectural and engineering data as may be required. The
procedures for review and approval are set forth in Section 9-603.
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The proposed 2.55 square foot Yt inch thick aluminum non-illuminated sign is proposed to be
attached to the existing clock-tower with metal studs and epoxy or silicone. The letters will be
individually cut and will be mounted flush with the existing tower surface (as will the logo).
The clock-towers and associated signage at the Doran Phase I site were the subject of
considerable discussion between the City Manager and the Doran team. The attached minutes of
the May 13, 2002, City Commission meeting demonstrate the attention that a previous City
Commission gave to the size and colors of the signage on the clock-towers at the Doran site. The
Development Agreement, although mentioning the clock-towers, does not provide further
direction as to the number of additional signs on the clock-towers, the maximum copy area, how
the signage is to be arranged, or an approved color palatte.
The existing clock-tower has the Publix sign on the south, east, and west sides (22" x 56" - 8.56
S. F. - on the east and south sides and 21" x 56" - 8.2 S. F. - on the west side). An 18" x 38.25"
- 4.8 S. F. - Wendy's sign is located on the east and west sides. There is a straight vertical
distance of 62" from the top of the 12" high row of bricks at the top of the planter. This is where
the existing Wendy's sign is located and the Washington Mutual sign with logo is proposed. To
further put the dimensions into perspective, the top of the seat-wall around the clock-tower is 19"
above the sidewalk and each of the 2 brick walls (top and bottom of the planter) are 12" tall.
Washington Mutual has an existing sign with logo on the north, west, and south sides ofthe
building, with the logo on both the SR 434 and Cliff Rose sides of the comer of the building.
Additionally, Washington Mutual has a sandwich board on the sidewalk on the SR 434 side.
The Town Center Code has contained aesthetic review language since 2000, but the City-wide
aesthetic review, with specific criteria, was promulgated in 2004 (Ordinance No. 2003-43,
01126/04). Pursuant to Section 9-603 of the City Code, the City Commission may approve,
approve with conditions, or disapprove the application only after consideration of whether the
following criteria have been satisfied:
(1) The plans and specifications of the proposed project indicate that the setting, landscaping,
proportions, materials, colors, textures, scale, unity, balance, rhythm, contrast, and simplicity are
coordinated in a harmonious manner relevant to the particular proposal, surrounding area and
cultural character of the community.
The blue and yellow colors are excessively dissimilar to the existing green Pubix
signage and the red Wendy's signage, as well as the surrounding environment.
The red relates to the surrounding bricks, while the green relates to the
landscaping.
(2) The plans for the proposed project are in harmony with any future development which has
been formally approved by the City within the surrounding area.
The proposed sign age does not appear in harmony with existing and future development in
the area, because, contextually, it does not match the existing sign age on the clock-tower.
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Other nearly identical, but much larger, Washington Mutual signs are located on all 3 sides
of the Washington Mutual Bank - which is located on the east side of Cliff Rose Drive, at
its corner with SR 434. This sign age is approximately 45-50 feet east of the clock-tower,
across Cliff Rose Drive. The Publix is an anchor tenant and the Wendy's is located to the
north, within the development and not along SR 434.
(3) The plans for the proposed project are not excessively similar or dissimilar to any other
building, structure or sign which is either fully constructed, permitted but not fully constructed,
or included on the same permit application, and facing upon the same or intersecting street within
five hundred (500) feet of the proposed site, with respect to one or more of the following features
of exterior design and appearance:
(A) Front or side elevations,
(B) Size and arrangement of elevation facing the street, including reverse arrangement,
(C) Other significant features of design such as, but not limited to: materials, roof line,
hardscape improvements, and height or design elements.
The signage is excessively dissimilar to the other signs on the clock-tower
because the gold or yellow and blue colors of the proposed signage have no
contextual relationship to the nearby architecture and landscaping, except the
examples of the Washington Mutual signage on the building.
(4) The plans for the proposed project are in harmony with, or significantly enhance, the
established character of other buildings, structures or signs in the surrounding area with respect
to architectural specifications and design features deemed significant based upon commonly
accepted architectural principles of the local community.
Staff believes adding this sign would not be in harmony with or enhance the
established character of the clock-tower.
(5) The proposed project is consistent and compatible with the intent and purpose ofthis Article,
the Comprehensive Plan for Winter Springs, design criteria adopted by the city (e.g. Towne
Center guidelines, SR 434 design specifications) and other applicable federal state or local laws.
Staff believes adding this sign would be inconsistent and incompatible with the intent and
purpose of this Article and the Town Center guidelines.
(6) The proposed project has incorporated significant architectural enhancements such as
concrete masonry units with stucco, marble, termite-resistant wood, wrought iron, brick, columns
and piers, porches, arches, fountains, planting areas, display windows, and other distinctive
design detailing and promoting the character of the community.
The clock-tower incorporates these positive features, but staff believes that the
proposed Washington Mutual sign addition is too excessively dissimilar to the
existing signage on the clock-tower. No attempt has been made to change the
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color or materials for the proposed signage to make it more aesthetically
compatible with the clock-tower and surrounding buildings and landscaping.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION: Staff recommends the request for aesthetic review be
denied.
ATTACHMENTS:
A Proposed signage & location map
B May 13, 2002, City Commission Minutes
COMMISSION ACTION:
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"MY MOTION IS BASICALLY TO SEND THIS BACK TO THE DRAWING
BOARD AND HAVE IT RE-WORKED AND BROUGHT BACK TO US. AT
THIS TIME, I THINK THERE ARE SEVERAL ISSUES I BROUGHT UP THAT I
DISAGREE WITH AND I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THEM." MOTION
BY COMMISSIONER McLEOD. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BLAKE.
DISCUSSION.
DEPUTY MAYOR GENNELL STATED, "I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT
WHEN IT'S SENT BACK, WHICH I HOPE IT IS, THAT IT NEEDS TO BE
CLEANED UP AND YOUR DEFINITIONS NEED TO BE MORE WELL
OUTLINED, AND I WILL TELL YOU WHY - BECAUSE WHEN I BROUGHT
UP BEFORE ABOUT THE MAXIMUM SIZE OF AN ACCESSORY BUILDING -
YOU POINTED OUT THAT THAT WAS AN ACCESSORY BUILDING, NOT A
DETACHED GARAGE. AND THE GENERAL UP HERE ON LINE (a) OF 6-84.,
'ACCESSORY BUILDING' MEANS AN ENCLOSED DETACHED
SUBORDINATE STRUCTURE. FINE, THEN WHEN YOU GO BACK HERE TO
PAGE 4 OF 6 ON LINE FIVE (5) WHERE YOU SET THE SIZE OF A
DETACHED GARAGE - BUT, IF YOU GO THREE (3) LINES UP ON NUMBER
(3), IT SAYS A 'DETACHED GARAGE SHALL BE AN ACCESSORY
STRUCTURE.' I JUST THINK YOU NEED TO CLEAN IT UP A LITTLE BIT."
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McLEOD: AYE
DEPUTYMAYORGENNELL: AYE
COMMISSIONER BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: NAY
MOTION CARRIED.
.:. .:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING "REGULAR" AGENDA ITEMS
WERE DISCUSSED IN THE ORDER AS DOCUMENTED. .:. .:.
~VI. REGULAR
REGULAR
O. Office Of The City Manager
Presents To The Commission The Request Of IDC Calhoun, Inc. (IDC) To Approve
The Design For The State Road 434 Town Center Entry Features.
Mr. Doran addressed the Commission and reviewed some of his plans for the proposed
slgnage.
Mr. Charles Carrington, Community Development Department Director reviewed criteria
and recommendations from Staff related to the proposed signage.
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Attorney Garganese left the Commission Chambers at 11 :20 p.m.
Manager McLemore addressed the Commission and presented a photograph of a
"Monument-type" sign from "Cityplace" in West Palm Beach, Florida.
Discussion followed on the mass of the proposed signage.
Commissioner Blake left the Commission Chambers at 11:25 p.m.
Manager McLemore then presented a "Clock tower" feature and explained that "Victor
[Dover, Kohl & Partners] took a day and a half reviewing signage from different Town
Centers and came up with this as a way to try to meet Shane's [Doran] needs, plus
maintain that particular architecture." Furthermore, Manager McLemore stated that "We
were trying to accomplish his needs without putting any monument sign on Main Street."
Discussion followed with Mr. Doran who spoke of his concerns and constraints; and the
problems with the water feature.
Mr. Kevin Collins, Avid Engineering, 7208 West Sand Lake Road. Suite 304, Orlando.
Florida: as Design Engineer, Mr. Collins addressed the Commission on behalf of Mr.
Doran on the water and curbing, and potential problems that may affect the proposed
"Wendy's" building.
Discussion followed on the two (2) possible kinds of signage being suggested by
Manager McLemore and Mr. Doran.
Tape 4/Side A
Mr. Doran stated, "That the height complies with the original criteria set forth, because r
will agree to that right now." Manager McLemore stated, "I cannot support a monument
sign on Main Street - I am saying something of this nature at the second location, this
would be great on [State Road] 434."
Commissioner McLeod asked that "Another concept of your clock tower" be shown to
those in attendance. Discussion followed on how the suggested signage has evolved.
Commissioner Blake returned to the Commission Chambers at 11:35 p.m.
Attorney Garganese returned to the Commission Chambers at 11 :35 p.m.
Further, Commissioner McLeod stated, "The developer needs a little more signage space.
r think I heard he said he had agreed to do this on [State Road] 434. You said you agreed
on [State Road] 434. Is that correct?" Manager McLemore responded, "Yes."
Commissioner McLeod then said, "Ron [McLemore], I think you are showing a block
structure, isn't that correct Shane [Doran]?" Mr. Doran explained, "It's coquina and
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granite. I couldn't think of a nicer sign." Commissioner McLeod then suggested to Mr.
Doran, "Do a face on the sign, not in the granite area, but the coquina area that would
match the buildings - same texture. It should be cheaper for you to do that."
The colors of the "Wendy's" and the "Publix" signs was the next discussion point.
Commissioner McLeod then stated, "Let's give you your colors on this Shane. How
about give us that on Main Street and put your other element unless you want to put the
same element on [State Road] 434, I think your cost for the two (2) of them would be
cheaper than what you proposed. And I think you both could put this thing to rest. I
think you have got a little bit more height. The Manager is saying our consultant is
saying give him more height, give him a little more square footage. Let's work out the
square footage areas that you need and let's work out the colors and let's put this thing to
bed. If both of you can agree to that, I would have to take you at your word - you could
get that worked out very quickly, ifthe rest of the Commission agreed to that."
Mr. Doran stated, "Would you agree to this with the same fifty foot (50') copy area that
we had before - or whatever it was, I don't remember exactly." Manager McLemore
stated, "Thirty-six (36) square feet." Mr. Doran then said, "Thirty-six (36) square feet-
the same area that we had before and the same location?" Manager McLemore stated,
"Yes. He would have eighteen (18) square feet of copy area on both sides for a total of
thirty-six (36) square feet. It would be in the same location - and Victor [Dover] showed
it in the same location - and except at the bottom you would probably have Winter
Springs Town Center down here..."
Mr. Doran then inquired, "What is it made of!" Manager McLemore stated, "It could be
stone, or brick to match the building." Commissioner McLeod added, "I think the real
true answer to that is it should match the buildings." Furthermore, Mr. Doran said, "Ron
[McLemore] would you accept it if! came back with two (2) clock towers - you would
obviously consider that on [State Road] 434 as well, since that is your preference."
Manager McLemore responded, "Sure." Commissioner McLeod concluded by saying, "I
think the colors are important."
Further discussion followed on the verticality of the suggested tower structures or clock
tower structures, and whether there would be plant material at the bottom of the signs.
Regarding the proposed signage, Deputy Mayor Gennell added, "I am also having a little
trouble picturing two (2) different kinds of signage on the same project. I was hoping
that we would have something that sort of was in agreement with each other."
Additionally, Deputy Mayor Gennell said, "I like what he brought forward. It looks nice
and it is based on something you showed him, so I am not understanding why it didn't get
scaled to size, to what the size that's available there." Mr. Doran explained, "That was an
error on my part. I instructed the engineer to do one smaller, and they just did the 434
and turned it in." Deputy Mayor Gennell then said to Mr. Doran, "So, you are willing to
do one smaller on Main Street?" Mr. Doran stated, "I am..." Deputy Mayor Gennell
added, "...0 f that type?"
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Deputy Mayor Gennell said to the Commission, "I can live with either one, it's just that I
would like whatever we do to be the same in both places."
Commissioner Blake stated that he liked the clock tower concept. Commissioner Miller
stated, "I don't have any problem with [State Road] 434 - and I think vertical on Main
Street probably is a much better idea than taking up a lot of space on the curb with a
monument. This one, you could probably put seating areas around it too, maybe if you
get it up high enough." Mr. Doran added, "I had wanted them the same and that is what I
really thought you all wanted, but I am willing to explore anything. I feel a real sense of
cooperation between myself and the City."
Additionally, Mr. Doran stated, "I would be okay with this like it is, something like this if
a subcommittee is formed and Mr. McLeod with his construction experience is on that
subcommittee to follow the design progress of this, and I will work in good faith with
that committee."
Mayor Partyka said to Mr. Doran, "Are you happy with where this is goirig?" Mr. Doran
replied, "This is too vague - I don't know how it's made up; I don't know how tall it is; I
don't know anything about it. So, I will agree to this concept as long as this is approved
as is - and Mr. McLeod and whoever else - all of you if you would like, are involved in a
subcommittee to study this before it is presented to you."
Commissioner Miller stated, "You were pointing at this and saying that you had agreed to
this..." Mr. Doran said, "...On 434, and on Main Street, we are talking about doing
possibly a clock tower feature." Further, Mr. Doran explained, "I am proposing that it is
- [State Road] 434 - there was an error in the submission - they just submitted [State
Road] 434, there is no separate drawing or separate size shown for Main Street, and that
was my error."
Commissioner Miller stated, "I would be willing to nominate Commissioner McLeod to
work with you on that."
Mayor Partyka said, "Mr. Doran, are satisfied that this is sufficiently clear for you to at
least go on from this point?" Mr. Doran responded, "I think so, as long as - this is
conceptual, but I have tried to provide not only for my present tenants needs but for
future tenants." Additionally, Mr. Doran said, "I would say that if Victor Dover is going
to be integral to the process of developing this that he be involved through the process."
Commissioner McLeod pointed out that "I think that we have just told him he could have
the red and have the green on the sign, so I would hope that becomes part of the Motion,
as part of the concessions that he is willing to make." Mr. Doran added, "And the future
tenants can be you know, be colored as well, that's the trend."
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Commissioner Miller then stated, "My suggestion would be that the City Manager
instruct Victor Dover to get very active in this right at the start - with his architect."
Commissioner McLeod added, "I would be more than happy to sit on that."
"I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ENTER INTO AN
AGREEMENT WITH - CAPITAL GREEN 1, LLC - A LIMITED LIABILITY
CORPORATION - TO ALLOW - AND I WANT THAT DRAWING TO BE
LISTED AS EXHIBIT 'A' PLEASE RON - YOU HAVE THAT DRAWING
THERE IN FRONT OF YOU - THIS IS THE DRAWING OF THE PROPOSED
SIGNAGE FOR [STATE ROAD] 434 - TO INCLUDE THE WATER
TREATMENT AND BLACK GRANITE, COQUINA - WHERE THE SIGNS
WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE THEIR COMPANY LOGO, DEFINED
COLORS ON THAT; AND THAT OUR DESIGN FOLKS WILL WORK WITH
THEIR DESIGN FOLKS ALONG WITH COMMISSIONER McLEOD AND
DEPUTY MAYOR GENNELL TO BRING BACK TO THE COMMISSION A
NEW SIGN UTILIZING THE VERTICAL CLOCK TOWER TYPE OF DESIGN
TO THIS COMMISSION FOR MAIN STREET - THAT WILL BE EXHIBIT 'B'-
BUT THAT DRAWING, EXHIBIT 'B' IS CONCEPTUAL." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER BLAKE. SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR GENNELL.
DISCUSSION.
MAYOR PARTYKA SAID, "I WILL CAUTION YOU THAT YOU HAVE
COMMISSIONER McLEOD AND COMMISSIONER GENNELL ON THE SAME
COMMITTEE - THAT THEY ALL HAVE TO BE POSTED, AND THEY ALL
HAVE TO HAVE MINUTES AND DO IT PROPERLY, OKAY."
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McLEOD: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER BLAKE: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR GENNELL: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Regarding a time frame, Commissioner McLeod added, "1 would still like to see us
resolve this thing within forty-five (45) days - or less. A maximum of forty- five (45)."
Manager McLemore left the Commission Chambers at 12:05 a.m.
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