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JULY 10, 2006
CALL TO ORDER
The Regular Meeting of Monday, July 10, 2006 of the City Commission was called to
order by Deputy Mayor Michael S. Blake at 6:33 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of
the Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida
32708).
Roll Call:
Mayor John F. Bush, present via telephone
Deputy Mayor Michael S. Blake, present
Commissioner Robert S. Miller, present
Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore, present
Commissioner Sally McGinnis, present
Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs, present
City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, present
City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, absent
Ms. Kate Latorre, Assistant City Attorney, present
A moment of silence was followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.
.:..:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING WERE DISCUSSED FIRST, IN
THE ORDER AS DOCUMENTED. .:..:.
AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
AWARDS AND PRESENT A nONS
100. Not Used.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS AGENDA
PUBLIC HEARINGS
201. Community Development Department - Planning Division
Requests The City Commission Hold A Public Hearing For Second Reading /
Adoption Of Ordinance 2006-05, A Small Scale FLUM (Future Land Use Map)
Amendment Which Changes The Future Land Use Map (FLUM) Designation Of
Two (2) Parcels Totaling 1.17 Acres, Located On Lake Lucerne Circle From
(Winter Springs) "Industrial" To (City Of Winter Springs) "Medium Density
Residential" .
Referring to the Applicant, Deputy Mayor Blake stated, "I had gotten word that they
would like to postpone this Item until the next Meeting?" Ms. Eloise Sahlstrom ASLA,
AICP, Senior Planner, Community Development Department, stated, "Yes. Actually,
Staff and the Attorney's office were the ones requesting the Postponement, but they did
concur." Deputy Mayor Blake stated, "I would like to - get something on the Record
from the Applicant that suggests that they would like to Postpone it until such time that
either you folks agree to or that in the past case, 1 am sure the Commission will go ahead
and do a Motion."
Mr. Jay Folk, President, Keewin Real Property Company, 1031 West Morse Boulevard,
Suite 325, Winter Park, Florida: stated, "That is fine with us."
"MOTION TO POSTPONE ITEM '201' TO NEXT MEETING." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER KREBS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS.
DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
202. Community Development Department - Planning Division
Requests The City Commission Hold A Public Hearing For Second Reading /
Adoption Of Ordinance 2006-06, A Small Scale FLUM (Future Land Use Map)
Amendment Which Changes The Future Land Use Map (FLUM) Designation Of
One Parcel Totaling 1.72 Acres, Located At 1228 Florida Avenue From (Winter
Springs) "Industrial" To (City Of Winter Springs) "Medium Density Residential".
"MOTION TO POSTPONE UNTIL NEXT MEETING, ITEM '202'." MOTION
BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS.
DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
.:..:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING TWO (2) PUBLIC HEARINGS
AGENDA ITEMS WERE DISCUSSED SIMULTANEOUSLY. .:..:.
PUBLIC HEARINGS AGENDA
PUBLIC HEARINGS
200.1 Community Development Department
Requests The City Commission Hold A Public Hearing To Review And Provide A
Determination For The Starlight Baptist Church's Conditional Use Request,
Pursuant To Section 20-163. Of The City Code, To Allow The Church To Expand
On Its 4.28 Acre Site At 190 East Bahama Road (Northwest Corner Of East
Bahama And Hayes Road).
PUBLIC HEARINGS
200.2 Community Development Department
Requests The City Commission Hold A Public Hearing To Review And Provide A
Determination Of The Starlight Baptist Church's Variance Request From Section 9-
278. Of The City Code To Allow Stabilized Grass Parking Spaces At Its 190 East
Bahama Road Location, For Those Parking Spaces To Be Used Only On Sunday
And Wednesday Evenings, Pursuant To Section 9-5. Of The City Code. This
Request Is In Conjunction With The Conditional Use And A Site Plan To Expand
The Existing Church On That 4.28 Acre Site At The Northwest Corner Of East
Bahama Road And Hayes Road.
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Deputy Mayor Blake said, "We will take up discussion, Staff presentation, and the
Applicant's presentation, as well as all the "Public Input" on each of these items, 200.1
and 200.2, at one time. Once we have completed that exercise, then the Commission will
discuss it and will vote on each item separately. They are two (2) different items."
Attorney Kate Latorre stated, "Both of the Applications tonight for the Variance and the
Conditional Use for the Starlight Baptist Church are going to be Quasi-Judicial hearings
which basically means that you're going - to hear the evidence that's presented from Staff
from the Applicant; you're going to hear what the public has to offer; and you're going to
apply what you hear to the standards set forth in your City Code and to the Criteria set
forth in your Code for Conditional Uses and Variances.
All evidence that you consider to either approve or deny these Applications has to be
based on what's called 'Competent' and 'Substantial' evidence. And, this is a term that's
defined by the Florida Courts as evidence a reasonable mind would accept as adequate to
support a decision that all Criteria has been met. An easy way to determine what is
'Competent' and 'Substantial' is that it's relevant to the issue. It's what a reasonable
person would consider to be relevant.
A few examples of what is not considered 'Competent' and 'Substantial' evidence - you
should not take this kind of evidence under consideration whether it's presented or not.
And, if you are going to be speaking tonight, please try to avoid presenting this kind of
evidence, because it's not relevant to the matter.
Evidence of similar Variances that may have been granted in the neighborhood or to a
similar type of property, are not 'Competent' and 'Substantial' evidence relevant to
tonight's Applications.
Emotional assertions of hardship without supporting evidence or testimony are not
'Competent' and 'Substantial' evidence; and any - conclusory statement without
additional supporting testimony or evidence is not considered 'Competent' and
'Substantial' evidence. So, every statement you make must be supported by some sort of
factual evidence or testimony.
Some examples of what does constitute 'Competent' and 'Substantial' evidence are
reports, personal observations, and professional experiences of the professional Staff of
the City; or, a lay testimony, so long as the testimony is supported by fact, rather than
OpInIOn.
All of this evidence must show that the Applicant has met each and every Criteria set
forth in the Code, both for the Conditional Use and the Variance Application; and the
initial burden is going to be on the Applicant to show that all Criteria has been met. If the
Applicant shows in your evaluation, that all of the Criteria has been met, in order to deny
the Application, there must be 'Competent', 'Substantial' evidence on the other side that
the Criteria has not been met.
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The Criteria is set forth in your Ordinance for Conditional Use in Section 20-33. (d)."
Continuing, Attorney Latorre stated, "For the Conditional Use Criteria, the Applicant
must show whether the proposed Use, including its scale and intensity, traffic generating
characteristics, and offsite impact is compatible and harmonious with the adjacent Land
Uses and will not adversely impact Land Use activities in the immediate vicinity. The
Applicant has to demonstrate the size and shape of the site of the proposed access and
internal circulation; and that the design enhancements are adequate to accommodate the
proposed scale and intensity of the Conditional Use.
The site has to be a sufficient size to accommodate the design amemtIes, such as
screening buffers, landscaping, open space, off street parking, and other similar site
improvements. Conditional Use must - not have an adverse impact on the local economy
including governmental fiscal impact, employment, and property values. You consider
whether the Conditional Use will have an adverse impact in the natural environment,
including air, water, and noise pollution.
You will consider whether the proposed Use will have an adverse impact on historic,
scenic, and cultural resources, including views and vistas. Whether the proposed Use
will have an adverse impact on public services, including water, sewer, surface water
management, Police, Fire, Parks and Recreation, streets, public transportation, marina
and waterways, and bicycle and pedestrian facilities. And, whether the proposed Use will
have an adverse impact on housing and social conditions; including a variety of housing,
unit types and prices, and neighborhood quality - and that's the Conditional Use.
For a Variance, you have to see whether the Variance will be contrary to the public
interests and - the Applicant must show that to get a Variance, it will not be contrary to
the public interest and where owing to Special Conditions, a little enforcement of the
provision of your Code would result in an unnecessary hardship.
The Application for a Variance must also demonstrate that Special Conditions exist
which are peculiar to the land structures or required subdivision improvements involved;
and which are not applicable to other land structures or required subdivision
improvements.
If you were to grant the Variance, there must be a Finding established and the reason set
forth in the Application, justifying the granting of the Variance. And, that the Variance is
the minimum Variance that would make possible, the reasonable use of the land. And,
there also must be a Finding that the granting of the Variance would be in harmony with
the general purpose of the Chapter, which is Chapter 9 of your Code.
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Now, if you are going to grant the Conditional Use or Variance, that's the decision you
reach - you are permitted by law to impose special terms, conditions, and safeguards to
your granting of the Variance. These conditions must intend to reduce any adverse
impact which you think the Variance or Conditional Use may have - on the community
or the neighboring properties.
Also, these conditions must bear a relation to the standards and Criteria already set forth
in your Code and they must not be arbitrary or discriminatory and they also must be
supported by 'Competent', 'Substantial' evidence."
Discussion.
Mr. John Baker, AICP, Senior Planner, Community Development Department explained,
"The Starlight Baptist Church has been at this present location since about 1990. They
have a 4.28 acre site that includes the existing sanctuary and unattached accessory
building and a covered basketball court. They have RI-AA zoning and a 'Rural
Residential' - Future Land Use designation.
They are seeking to build a new thirty thousand one hundred sixty-seven square foot
(30,167) sanctuary with seven hundred and eighty-three (783) seats. The existing
structures are proposed to remain. Weare looking at a future Development Agreement
proposed to address such items as scheduling the sidewalk along Bahama Road and
probably other issues including to, but not limited to, screening the bus parking,
overnight accommodation of visiting Pastors and/or singing groups and some other items.
Subsection 20-163. (a)(1) lists Churches and their intended Uses as Conditional Uses in
the RI-AA Zoning district; and we feel that the Conditional Use is necessary to increase
the intensity of the Use pursuant to that Section. Subsection 20-163. (d) specifies the
information that the Applicant must - provide for the Conditional Use. One of those is
the Setbacks. They do show a draft Site Plan that's included in your packet. It is a draft.
We've asked them to hold off on that until we get further - determination of the
Conditional Use and the Variance, but they do show the appropriate front thirty-five foot
(35') in the rear, twenty-five foot (25') Setbacks, as specified by the Code.
They are depicting a hundred and nineteen (119) parking spaces; which exceeds the
number that would be needed for seven hundred and eighty-three (783) spaces in the
sanctuary. Now, if they have the Youth Ministry concurrently with the services in the
sanctuary, then they need to provide additional parking in their Site Plan. If they do not
hold them concurrently, we believe that they have more than enough seats, at least per
Code.
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Sidewalks will be installed along Hayes Road as you can see from the pictures I've
passed out. Hayes Road is a paved road down to the intersection with Bahama [Road].
But, because Bahama [Road] is a dirt road and there are no plans to pave that, there are
no specifications how that would be. We feel if they did put in a sidewalk there at this
time, that it would likely be tom out when the Plans did come through. So, we'd like to
defer that as part of - through the Development Agreement.
Subsection 20-163. (b) states that any review of an Application or Plan shall consider the
character of the neighborhood in which the proposed Use is to be located and its affect on
the value of surrounding lands and further, the area of the site as it relates particularly to
the required open spaces and offsite parking facilities. And, that's one of the big things
we've tried to look at through this review. How can we accommodate the Church and
still respect and maintain the neighborhood in a semi-rural character of the Ranchlands.
One of the issues is that the Church presently keeps at least a half a dozen buses, and in
your packet you will see some pictures of about six (6) or eight (8) of those buses parked
the way they were in November. Now, I understand that the Church has been parking
them in different locations to make them less visible to the neighborhood.
One of the issues that's come up is that the Church does occasionally have visiting
Pastors and singing groups and they'd like to stay in motor coaches or some other type of
overnight traveling facility and we support that, but we feel that the Site needs to
adequately accommodate them with electricity, sewer, water, and being screened from
the public. So, hopefully that could be addressed through a Development Agreement.
With further comments, Mr. Baker noted that the Board of Adjustment "Wanted me to try
to find if there was an original Conditional Use for the Church, and we could not find one
- we went back to 1981, and could not find any original Conditional Use."
Mr. Baker added, "Getting into the 'FINDINGS' section on page 4, we reiterate, the Rl-
AA Zoning and 'Rural Residential' Future Land Use designation - we believe the
Conditional Use request to expand and intensify the existing Church to be consistent with
the general Zoning requirements, and in the best interest of the public, subject to
clarification about the buses and overnight visitors with motor coaches and similar
vehicles." Mr. Baker then noted, "Adequately accommodating and screening these buses
and motor coaches." Furthermore, Mr. Baker said, "Approval and execution of a
Development Agreement addressing future provision of sidewalks along the adjacent
portion of east Bahama Road." Lastly, Mr. Baker stated, "The stipulation of reasonable
hours of activities that could be heard - by the adjacent residents; and staff also concurs
with the Board of Adjustment recommendations set forth below that.
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And going into those recommendations, they agreed - they want the Site Plan to include
adequate landscape buffers; they want no parking signs placed in the adjacent right-of-
ways; they want the buses to be adequately hidden or stored off-site; and the
Development Agreement to limit further growth (i.e. intensity); and also to set reasonable
hours of activities."
Concluding these comments, Mr. Baker remarked, "The Board of Adjustment and Staff
do recommend approval subject to these Conditions."
Discussion.
Mr. Thomas Skelton, American Civil Engineering Company, 207 North Moss Road, Suite
211, Winter Springs, Florida: stated, "What we are proposing in this thirty thousand
square foot (30,000) building is this section in here, and we'll have seven hundred and
eighty-three (783) congregation seats. The four hundred (400) seats here, will be
occupied by Youth Ministry. The youth are bused in. A hundred percent (100%) of the
youth are bused in for that. So there's nine (9) buses, or eight (8) buses, or how many
ever they have, one (1) each color, is what brings those youth here.
When we first submitted the Site Plan, we had the building at the Setbacks up here,
twenty-five foot (25') off. We had over eight hundred (800) seats proposed in the
congregation. The Staff reviewed it and asked us to modify it, reduce it some. So we
reduced it by ninety (90) seats; and, we pushed the building fifty foot (50') off the
property line to provide a twenty-five foot (25') buffer that will remain natural, adjacent
to this property owner here.
Weare exceeding all of the landscape buffers, or meeting or exceeding, all the landscape
buffers; and this being a thirty-five foot (35') landscape buffer along these two (2) roads
here, there's I believe a ten foot (10') buffer along here, and we're exceeding that. And,
again, that was twenty-five foot (25') required, but we're providing fifty foot (50') there.
This Site Plan here, if you go by Winter Springs Code, and Winter Springs Code says one
(1) space for every eight (8) seats; well, like I said earlier, right now they have 120 cars.
And, it'd be kind of silly, to just propose 120 spaces and double size the parking. But,
what we're proposing, if you want to question the Code as far as the required parking,
that we also take a look - that if we laid it out with parking spaces that are nine foot by
eighteen foot (9' x 18'), which are acceptable by many other Codes, that in this area here,
including these paved spaces here, we get 204 spaces at nine by eighteen (9 x 18). This is
not parking in the buffers, that's all in it within that area right there and that's nine by
eighteen (9 x 18). Again, 205 spaces.
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If they required more spaces, there's areas back here where they could park and even if
they did what I call a 'Citrus Bowl' parking, where they just have somebody out, an
attendant out there that squeezed all of the cars together, they could fit 250 cars in there;
utilizing eight by sixteen (8 x 16) spaces."
Mr. Skelton continued, "Again, if we're going to question the Code, and that's - we like
to question all of it, even the size of the parking spaces and everything; because right
now, again, they park 120 cars right here. And, just by eyeballing it, you have 120 in that
area. You could probably get 120 in this area.
As far as the traffic impact, again, being a Church - the majority of traffic is on Sunday -
Sunday mornings - the road that's got traffic there is light. Eighty percent (80%),
approximately. We'll have somebody come up and tell exactly what the numbers have
been for the last three (3) or four (4) weeks at the Church, but approximately eighty
percent (80%) uses Hayes Road to go out to [State Road] 434 or other parts of the
community there."
Additionally, Mr. Skelton stated, "This is a picture that was taken recently and as you can
see they have started lining up the buses on the west side of the property line, away from
the eye of any of the passers-by there. They parked their buses on the west, in between
the buffers and the building."
Mr. Skelton further explained, ''1' d say only half a day on Sunday and a couple of hours
on Wednesday night, every other day this lot will be vacant. There won't be any cars.
The only paved spaces are for the permanent employees, which that exceeds how many
they're going to have there on a daily basis. So, that is the reason for the request - to
keep that big, green, open field look, except for the paved drive and few of the paved
spaces there.
As far as the Stormwater, we've applied to St. John's [River Water Management District]
and obtained a permit, Stormwater permit for the retention areas there. The water and the
sewer impacts will be minimal from this property being a Church use. The existing
septic systems are slated to be removed and connected to a lift station that will pump to
the existing sanitary in an adjacent subdivision.
The Church will execute the Developer's Agreement that will include - whatever
requirements for the sidewalks and hours of operation."
Additionally, Mr. Skelton noted, "And of course, we still need to go through our Site
Plan review process that will get the other technical items ironed out as far as the parking
layout or the rest of the Stormwater; and the Utilities review. And also, we'll have to go
through the Aesthetic Review of the building.
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Before the Preacher comes up and explains the operation here, I just want to state - in my
professional opinion, just taking a look at the - Code, at the way it's stated, that we do
meet the Code as far as providing the ten by twenty (10 x 20) spaces. But, if we lay it out
as they're laying out right now - parking cars - we can get more, or what they need as far
as the number of parking. And, on top of that, just one other issue is the number of seats.
What you're basing - if you say seven hundred and eighty three (783) seats, you're basing
that being a hundred percent (100%) occupied and a Church is, on their best days are
eighty percent (80%), except for those few days - Christmas, TharIksgiving, those days.
Easter, that they do reach. And, they're looking into options as far as off-site parking and
busing the people in at that time. So, in my professional opinion our 'Conditional Use'
request meets all of your guidelines there."
Dr. Glenn Riggs, 330 East Pinewood Court, Lake Mary, Florida: as the Pastor of the
Starlight Baptist Church, Dr. Riggs addressed the City Commission and presented some
Petitions to the City and a packet of information, to which he explained, "We have a fact
sheet there; we have a Traffic Analysis that we have placed inside of this, a very in-depth
one; and so we would like to distribute that to you as well."
Tape l/Side B
With discussion, Dr. Riggs stated, "There's been mention about a 'Mother's Day Out'.
Truth is, we don't have a 'Mother's Day Out'. We think it's a great idea. And, since it's
been suggested, we think we might - implement something like that. But, we don't have
anything like that. We have services and we do what Churches do. Sometimes we have
funerals, sometimes we have weddings. People come to Churches for various things that
go on. But, as far as a crowd is concerned, we have a crowd on Sunday morning that
comes and we pack our facility; and we've packed it for a number of years. We know
that for this Church to move forward it has to be able to grow."
Dr. Riggs continued, "What we're trying to do is maximize. We're trying to do the
mostest, with the leastest. We're trying to do as much as we can with what we've got.
We fully understand that whatever we build on this property, this is it."
With further comments on parking, Dr. Riggs stated, "We wish we had more parking.
We don't have. What we do have is that we have enough that we know that we more
than meet the City's Code. We also know what we can park on this piece of property,
because we have parked many, many, many more cars than what's showing on this sheet.
We know what we can do - we know what the practical side of this is; we know that we
can take this new building, we can fill this building, and we can park the people on this."
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Furthermore, Dr. Riggs stated, "I've Pastored for thirty-seven (37) years, and we all
know that you're never going to grow past eighty percent (80%). Now, for Christmas or
Easter, people will pack in a little closer for something like that. So, when you take
eighty percent (80%) of that, you're looking at a number more like six hundred and
twenty-seven (627). Now, that's reality. That's what we're really looking at. Can we
park them? Absolutely, we can park them. We know we can park them. Because we've
parked this many cars before on this property. And, we know that we can do this."
Dr. Riggs continued, "We've provided help for those who had a need. And, during the
storms, we opened our facilities up and we let families come and stay in our buildings
during the storm~ It's been mentioned tonight about - being Hurricane proof - we know
this, our building would have to meet the Codes. And, whatever we've got, we make
available. As we have in the past, we continue to make that available.
We've offered our buildings free of use to the Ranchlands and to the neighborhood
boards of other neighborhoods around us; and some of them take advantage of that and
use our facilities. We've been a very responsive and responsible to the neighborhood.
We've been as kind as we know how to be. There are people that use our parking lots in
the Ranchlands for activities of their own - parties, birthday parties that they have. Some
park their cars in there and get a ride, and ride with others. People have offered, and
come and borrowed our chairs. We have been as responsive as we know how to be."
Additionally, Dr. Riggs commented that "This building's going to be cut in half inside.
These will be classrooms; and, there will be a half sized auditorium and that's what these
buses - the buses will not be parked here. They're parked here out of the way; and this
will be occupied by bus children entirely. And, so, it's not an impact. This seating will
not impact anything out here because all of these come on the buses. And, this will allow
us to minister to our adults. These are Sunday School rooms, and administration rooms,
and a large foyer - this is a family life center that we want to enclose, and this is what we
will use this for."
Commissioner Sally McGinnis stated, "Your Youth Ministry, is that what we used to call
'Sunday School'? Is that the same thing?" Dr. Riggs responded, "Well, we have Sunday
school for all ages, adults, and children." Then, Commissioner McGinnis asked, "So, this
'Youth Ministry' now, you are talking about four hundred (400)..." Dr. Riggs stated,
". .. Yes..." Commissioner McGinnis then said, ". ..Approximately four hundred (400)
kids.. ." Dr. Riggs stated, "... Yes." Dr. Riggs added, "Parents do ride buses sometimes,
yes, and four hundred (400) would be a large, large group. Normally, I would say
maybe, three hundred (300) would be our max." Commissioner McGinnis then inquired
of Dr. Riggs, "Now, is this only on Sunday that these.. ." Dr. Riggs remarked, "... Yes."
Commissioner McGinnis continued, "... Youth meet? Okay."
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Commissioner Robert S. Miller asked, "Do you have one (1) service on Sunday or do you
have several?" Dr. Riggs answered, "We have one (1) Sunday morning, and one (1)
Sunday evening, and one (1) Wednesday evening."
Discussion.
Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore asked, "How many people are going to be in this
building right here - on Sunday - that will come in cars..." Dr. Riggs stated, "... Virtually
none.. . " Commissioner Gilmore added, "... Instructors, etc..." Dr. Riggs responded,
". . . Virtually none. All of these are for the children that ride the buses." Commissioner
Gilmore then inquired, "Don't you have adults teaching the children..." Dr. Riggs stated,
"...There will be adult workers, but you're talking a very, very minimal number. You're
talking about parking spaces for those adult workers..." Commissioner Gilmore stated,
".. . Yes. What I'm saying is if you have 400 children there, I would suspect you have
twenty- five (25) to forty (40) adults..." Dr. Riggs added, ".. . No, Sir..." Commissioner
Gilmore asked, "How many do you have?" Dr. Riggs stated, "Probably, maybe half that
number. We have them in large groups, have a large group service with them and maybe
four (4) or five (5) with each one ofthe groups that's there."
Commissioner Gilmore then said, "On the Easter Sunday and the Christmas periods,
when it would be reasonable to expect that diversity factor to go from an eighty percent
(80%) to ninety (90) or a hundred (100) even, what are you going to do with the people.
Tell them they have to go home, because they can't park on Bahama [Road] or Hayes
Road." Dr. Riggs stated, "That's correct. There's a number of options that we have.
Number one (1), Mr. Skelton mentioned that there's ways of parking more people on
there, for one (1) Sunday or a special thing. Number two (2), we can park them off
campus and we can bus them in. We can ask our workers to park away. We've talked to
some businesses in the area, that are more than willing to allow us to use their facilities
on Sunday to park people. And, with bus ministries as we have, it's easy for us to shuttle,
if that becomes necessary."
Deputy Mayor Blake opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
Mr. Mike Carringer, 726 Lakeside Drive, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke in favor of this
proposal; and spoke of the economic benefit to the community.
Mr. Donald Smith, 120 East Tradewinds Road, Winter Springs, Florida: noted he was
opposed; the character of his neighborhood; and noted the height of the steeple for the
proposed building.
Mr. Ken Smart, 122 Bayberry Road, Altamonte Springs, Florida: remarked he was in
favor of this project, but did not address the City Commission.
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Mr. Barry Campbell, 231 Oak Road, Winter Springs, Florida: referenced the Code and
excessive traffic, dust, and noise; and mentioned he was opposed to this project.
Ms. Kelly Smart, 122 Bayberry Road, Altamonte Springs, Florida: said she was in favor
of the project, and did not address the City Commission.
Ms. Jo Bush, 125 East Bahama Road, Winter Springs, Florida: asked if the Church had
future plans for a school; spoke of more traffic and paved roads; and asked if any
Commissioner was a resident of thc Ranchlands.
Ms. Mary Leppla, 1560 Oak Lane, Casselberry, Florida: did not address the City
Commission, but was in favor ofthe project.
Mr. Raymond Carringer, 3468 Hawkshead Drive, Clermont, Florida: spoke on the
merits of the Church.
Ms. Yvonne I Froscher, 623 Sailfish Road, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke of aesthetics;
mentioned that over the last two (2) weeks the buses have been parked more out of view;
asked if a species survey had been conducted on the uplands; and showed some
photographs of Church buildings.
Mr. Glen Huff, 431 Lancers Drive, Winter Springs, Florida: mentioned collecting
Petitions from residents in the Arbors/Mount Greenwood subdivision; and spoke of
Church buildings.
Ms. Lorie Thebaut, 310 Hayes Road, Winter Springs, Florida: briefly addressed seating
capacity.
Ms. Nancy D. Fitzsimmons, 2302 North Goldenrod Road, Orlando, Florida: spoke of
her children and the bus ministry.
Mr. Robert Walker, 330 Hayes Road, Winter Springs, Florida: noted his property is next
to the Church property, and spoke against the planned expansion.
Ms. Billie Crigger, 45 Hayes Road, Winter Springs, Florida: is the Church Clerk and
wanted to present letters.
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Mr. Michael Lake, 220 East Panama Road, Winter Springs, Florida: mentioned he was
very opposed to this project.
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Mr. Larry Crigger, 45 Hayes Road, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke of traffic, and noted
he was in favor of the project.
Mr. Vernon M Conley, 250 East Bahama Road, Winter Springs, Florida: did not
address the City Commission, but was also in favor of the project.
Ms. Sylvia Morrison, 434 Boxwood Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: noted some traffic
information; and said she was in favor of this project.
Mr. Thomas Smith, 203 Morton Lane, Winter Springs, Florida: thought this did not fit in
with the lifestyle of this community.
Ms. Kelli Johnson, 802 Fisher Road, Winter Springs, Florida: as the acting President of
the Ranchlands; Ms. Johnson said they had submitted a Petition opposing this project;
mentioned she was very opposed; and noted concerns with parking and roads.
Brief discussion.
Mr. Tim Jordan, 235 Tides Road, Winter Springs, Florida: noted he was in favor of this
project; and said he saw no traffic issues with the Sunday peak times.
Ms. Vernell Shivers, 1036 Crystal Circle, Casselberry, Florida: did not address the City
Commission, but she was in favor of the project.
Mr. Tony Tizzio, 809 Osceola Trail, Casselberry, Florida: noted he was in favor of the
expanSIOn.
Ms. Dede Lynch, 605 Brittany Court, Casselberry, Florida: Deputy Mayor Blake said,
"DeDe Lynch, did you wish to speak?"
Mr. Dan Lynch, 605 Brittany Court, Casselberry, Florida: Deputy Mayor Blake stated,
"Dan Lynch did not wish to speak."
Deputy Mayor Blake added, "They were both in favor."
Mr. Frank Stever, 452 Forestwood Lane, Maitland, Florida: spoke of traffic; cars; the
Youth Ministry; and thought that the parking was inadequate for the proposed building.
Mr. David Spence, 28431 Atlantis Road, Tavares, Florida: mentioned he had visited
Ranchland residents and noted he supported the planned expansion.
Ms. Connie Riggs, 427 Valencia Court, Longwood, Florida: mentioned she was in favor
of the project and said she had never seen a car towed from the grass parking area.
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Deputy Mayor Blake said, "I am going to read off a list of names. The first stack will be
folks that did not desire to speak that are in favor of the project:
Mr. Don Shewmaker, (528 Lombardy Road, Winter Springs, Florida); Ms. Frances
Shewmaker, (528 Lombardy Road, Winter Springs, Florida); Ms. Lois Courtney, (1850
Knight Avenue, Orlando, Florida); Mr. Michael Maxwell, (112 Wheatfield Circle,
Sanford, Florida); Ms. Lisa Maxwell, (112 Wheatfield Circle, Sanford, Florida); Mr.
Steven J Simpkins, (181 North Edgemon Avenue, Winter Springs, Florida); Ms. Cheryl J
Simpkins, (181 North Edgemon Avenue, Winter Springs, Florida); Mr. Marty Riggs, (427
Valencia Court, Longwood, Florida); Mr. Randy Snelgrove, (273 East Bay Avenue,
Longwood, Florida); Ms. Lorrie Harjo, (5600 Autumn Chase Circle, Sanford, Florida);
Ms. Virginia Ellenback, (211 Brighton Way, Casselberry, Florida); Ms. Paul Mayeski,
Jr., (152 Holderness Drive, Longwood, Florida); Ms. Lorie Mayeski, (152 Holderness
Drive, Longwood, Florida); Mr. Daniel Riggs, (245 Petunia Terrace, Apartment 103,
Sanford, Florida); Mr. Mike Goodall, (200 North Edgemon Avenue, Winter Springs,
Florida); Ms. - [Debbie] Goodall, (200 North Edgemon Avenue, Winter Springs,
Florida); Ms. Cindy Huff, (431 Lancers Drive, Winter Springs, Florida); Mr. Dennis E
Patterson, (507 Evergreen Avenue, Winter Springs, Florida); Ms. Amy Patterson, (507
Evergreen Avenue, Winter Springs, Florida); Ms. Susan J Cornell, (135 Birchwood
Drive, Maitland, Florida); Mr. Vaughn Cornell, (135 Birchwood Drive, Maitland,
Florida); Ms. Paul Morrison, (434 Boxwood Circle, Winter Springs, Florida); Ms.
Deana Phillippi, (829 Dunbar Terrace, Winter Springs, Florida); Mr. Glenn Phillippi,
(829 Dunbar Terrace, Winter Springs, Florida); Mr. Scott Downing, (215 South Sun land
Drive, Sanford, Florida); Ms. Pam Jordon, (235 Tides Road, Winter Springs, Florida);
Ms. Reba Neeley, (111 Mosswood Circle, Winter Springs, Florida); Mr. EZ. Jewett, (749
Mahogany Lane, Altamonte Springs, Florida); Ms. Marilyn S. Jewett, (749 Mahogany
Lane, Altamonte Springs, Florida); Ms. Michelle Smith, (218 Loch Low Drive, Sanford,
Florida); Mr. Clinton Smith, (218 Loch Low Drive, Sanford, Florida); Mr. Tim Leathers,
(346 San Miguel Court, Winter Springs, Florida); Ms. Ellise Shawley, (175 Magnolia
Park Trail, Sanford, Florida); Mr. Joey Roberts, (111 Mosswood Circle, Winter Springs,
Florida); Ms. Lisa Donohue, (116 Rock Lake Road, Longwood, Florida); Ms. Sonia K.
Dellamotta, (710 Palos Way, Longwood, Florida); Ms. Siva Dellamotta, (710 Palos Way,
Longwood, Florida); Ms. Briana Burdette, (18 Elkwood Court, Winter Springs, Florida);
Ms. Kimberly B. Burdette, (18 Elkwood Court, Winter Springs, Florida); Ms. Amanda
Burdette, (18 Elkwood Court, Winter Springs, Florida); Ms. Debbie Tenon, (843 West
Winter Park Drive, Casselberry, Florida); Ms. Karen Watford, 260 Pine Tree Drive,
Casselberry, Florida); Ms. Sherri Kania, (212 Loch Low Drive, Sanford, Florida); Ms.
Misty Kania, (2824 Jewell Avenue, Deltona, Florida); Mr. Michael Kania, (212 Loch
Low Drive, Sanford, Florida); Mr. Michael Kania, (2824 Jewel Avenue, Deltona,
Florida); Ms. Joyce E Holse, (1715 Vauxhall Road, Auburndale, Florida); Ms. Carolyn
Riggs, (330 East Pinewood Court, Lake Mary, Florida); Ms. Lynda Holman, (902
Osceola Trail, Casselberry, Florida); Mr. Matt Mallo, (3307 South Park Avenue,
Sanford, Florida); Mr. Wendell Hall, (1310 Lancelot Way, Casselberry, Florida); Ms.
Donna M Hall, (1310 Lancelot Way, Casselberry, Florida); Ms. Ruby Billips, (606
Lockwood Drive, Orlando, Florida); Ms. Judy Chubb, (606 Lockwood Drive, Orlando,
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Florida); Mr. Karl Chubb, (606 Lockwood Drive, Orlando, Florida); Mr. Anthony S.
Falisi, (670A Macduff Lane, Winter Springs, Florida),' Ms. Sylvia Ann Stephen, (211
Ruskin Street, Lake Mary, Florida),' Ms. Bonnie Mallo, (3307 South Park, Sanford,
Florida); Ms. David Henry, (210 Albert Street, Winter Springs, Florida); Ms. Barbara
Lovelady, (1377 West Blue Springs, Orange City, Florida),' Mr. John Shawley, (175
South Magnolia Avenue, Sanford, Florida); - Ms. Anna Chubb, (606 Lockwood Drive,
Orlando, Florida); Mr. Fred Pruessner, (911 Lantania Place, Oviedo, Florida); Mr. Tom
Wilson, (240 Pine Tree Drive, Casselberry, Florida); Ms. Nancy Wilson, (240 Pine Tree
Drive, Casselberry, Florida),' Ms. Norma Develder, (2912 Golden Birch Lane,
Longwood, Florida); Ms. Donna Pruessner, (911 Lantania Place, Oviedo, Florida); Mr.
Ryan Peyton, (720 Mullins Street, Apopka, Florida); Ms. Kelly Peyton, (720 Mullins
Street, Apopka, Florida),' Ms. Kathy Patterson, (202 James Court, Winter Springs,
Florida); Mr. Dennis Patterson, (202 James Court, Winter Springs, Florida),' Mr. Larry
Stephen, (211 Ruskin Street, Lake Mary, Florida),' Mr. Carl R. Roberts, (1811 Escobar
Avenue, Deltona, Florida); Ms. Michelle 1. Thomas, (1618 Silver Fox Circle, Apopka,
Florida); Mr. Roger Courtney, (1850 Knight Avenue, Orlando, Florida); Mr. Thomas H
Roy, (40448 Holy Branch Road, Eustis, Florida); Mr. Anthony C. Doyle, (605 Brittany
Court, Casselberry, Florida),' Ms. Beverly Bryant, (305 Teakwood Lane, Altamonte
Springs, Florida),' Ms. Nancy N White, (811 Richtree, Drive, Altamonte Springs,
Florida); Ms. Julia Christian, (270 Wetumpa Court, Casselberry, Florida); Ms. James
Christian, 270 Wetumpa Court, Casselberry, Florida),' Ms. Vernette Carringer, (3658
Hawkshead Drive, Clermont, Florida); Ms. Elizibeth Jimmerson, 303 Kantor Boulevard,
Casselberry, Florida); Mr. Kenneth Maxwell, (448 Marathon Lane, Sanford, Florida),'
Ms. Nancy Burdette, (303 Kantora Boulevard, Casselberry, Florida); Mr. Robert
Lovelady, (1377 West Blue Springs Avenue, Orange City, Florida); Ms. Diana K.
Herring, (23678 Christmas Cemetery Road, Christmas, Florida),' Ms. Alexis Herring,
(23678 Christmas Cemetery Road, Christmas, Florida),' Mr. James Herring, (23678
Cemetery Road, Christmas, Florida),' Ms. Lettie Tyer, 320 Riunite Circle, Winter
Springs, Florida); Ms. Iris Richards, ( 587 Stars tone Drive, Lake Mary, Florida),' Ms.
Margaret Mowry, (1480 Bridlebrook Court, Casselberry, Florida); Ms. Gail Spence,
(28431 Atlantis Road, Tavares, Florida); Mr. Chris Hall, (108 Aunt Polly Court,
Orlando, Florida),' Mr. Leo Dixon, (641 Starstone Drive, Lake Mary, Florida); Mr.
James Oglesbee, (231 Ruth Boulevard, Longwood, Florida); Mr. Jeffrey B. Robinson,
(2700 Teak Place, Lake Mary, Florida); Ms. Paula Oglesbee, (231 Ruth Boulevard,
Longwood, Florida); Mr. Tim Burkett, (122 Garrison Drive, Sanford, Florida); Mr.
Richard J Elliott, (225 Wayman Street, #113, Longwood, Florida); and Mr. Casey
Harjo, (5600 Autumn Chase Circle, Sanford, Florida). "
Deputy Mayor Blake then said, "The following individuals do not desire to speak, but
they are opposed to each of the items:
Ms. Lynn - Burlingame, (510 Hayes Road, Winter Springs, Florida); Ms. Leeca Ramirez,
(240 Stoner Road, Winter Springs, Florida); Mr. Pablo Ramirez, (240 Stoner Road,
Winter Springs, Florida); Mr. Robert Burlingame, (510 Hayes Road, Winter Springs,
Florida); and Mr. William S. Moyers, Jr., (205 Morton Lane, Winter Springs, Florida)."
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Deputy Mayor Blake stated, "James and Amanda [Roden] are in favor of this:
Ms. Amanda Roden, (3315 Sterling Lake Circle, Oviedo, Florida); and Mr. James Roden,
(3315 Sterling Lake Circle, Oviedo, Florida). "
In addition, Deputy Mayor Blake stated, "Christy Carringer and J.P. Bartlinski, they are
in favor as well:
Ms. Christy Carringer, (726 Lakeside Drive, Winter Springs, Florida); and Mr. J P.
Bartlinski, (141 West Magnolia Avenue, Longwood, Florida)."
With further discussion, Deputy Mayor Blake also said, "Pastor Riggs you actually filled
one of these as well, but as the Applicant, representing the Applicant - we will not call
you on this - to allow you to make comments again."
Ms. Elsie Bledsoe, 180 East Panama Road, Winter Springs, Florida: noted she would
like the road paved, and that she lives near Hayes Road.
Deputy Mayor Blake closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
Discussion.
Commissioner McGinnis said, "I would like to see a real, certified, bonafide Traffic
Study done. I think it would be to your advantage to have that done." Dr. Riggs stated,
"Absolutely."
Commissioner Gilmore noted, "The community - is objecting to seeing these buses out
there all of the time." Dr. Riggs stated, "The tall tree barrier here - you will not be able to
see the - buses coming down a paved road. Once we - put some - tall shrubs - this is
Bahama [Road]. When you come down Hayes Road on this side, once this pavilion is
enclosed, you will not be able to see any buses."
With discussion on the property adjoining the Church and the buffer, Commissioner
Gilmore asked Dr. Riggs, "Are you going to put trees or something in there?" Dr. Riggs
responded, "There will be a wide group of little trees that will stay."
Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs said for the Record, "You were going to paint the
buses.. ." Dr. Riggs stated, ".. . Yes."
Furthermore, Commissioner Krebs stated, "Conditional Use, as far as your expansion is
concerned, has in the grass parking." Commissioner Krebs added, "I also would like to
see a Traffic Study too."
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Discussion.
Commissioner Miller stated, "Thousands of vehicles are going to be coming down
Murphy Road very shortly - in the next year. Murphy [Road] and Edgemon A venue and
your Church - if it expands the way you are referring to, it could have impact on this
community." Commissioner Miller added, "I understand that you want to minimize this.
I don't blame you, I would do the same thing. We haven't seen anybody here in five (5)
years or the eight (8) years that I've been here just come in and give us the worst case
scenario - so, these are just some of the other things. So, if the Traffic Study is
conducted, I would like to make sure that the City Staff looks at the forthcoming impact _
that we know that is going to be coming out of Casselberry right now." Discussion.
Dr. Riggs stated, "When we discussed this with the City Staff, that's one of the first
things that we - addressed, the traffic issue, and looked at your Codes and went and
looked at the carrying capacities of Hayes [Road] and all this, and concluded that since
the Church operates on Sunday's - the bottom line is this. On Monday, all day long,
there's four (4) cars there. On Tuesday, all day long, there's four (4) cars there." Dr.
Riggs continued, "My point is, is that, you've got a community out there that's got a-
facility on it that is vacant with the exception of a handful of staff - all work long, except
Sunday morning and then Sunday evening for a less extent."
Commissioner McGinnis stated, "Landscaping - from time to time we accommodate _
wonderful palms into the beautiful landscaping and buffers; and then over a period time,
they deteriorate and they don't maintain it - the landscaping - so, I would ask that you
would definitely make the commitment to in fact make sure that the trees and the
plantings would - when you cover the buses for example, if you just put plants in, that
they are not just little plants, they are big; and you would maintain them over a long
period of time."
Discussion.
Regarding the Board of Adjustment's actions, Commissioner Krebs stated, "If we do
approve this tonight, I would ask - the Commission to consider everything that the Board
of Adjustment - has indicated, including the painting of the buses, the parking of the
buses. They asked for a major Aesthetic Review. They also indicated the future
necessity, possibility of Police to help direct traffic in the high - peak times. And, that
there would be a limit of any future physical growth on that property." Commissioner
Krebs added, "And the Traffic Study."
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Discussion.
Deputy Mayor Blake said, "Let's go back to the initial 400 seats - has Staffs
Recommendation changed by that addition?" Mr. Baker stated, "The only change would
be that the Site Plan, if they are concurrent, per the Code, would need to show an
additional - about thirty (30) parking spaces, if they are concurrent." Mr. Baker added,
"And, we would want to have a Traffic Study with the Site Plan."
Commissioner Krebs said, "Point of Order".
Tape 2/Side B
Deputy Mayor Blake called a Recess at 9: 17 p. m.
Deputy Mayor Blake called the Meeting back to Order at 9:35 p.m.
Discussion.
Mr. Brian Fields, P.E., City Engineer, Public Works Department addressed the City
Commission on traffic and parking.
Commissioner Krebs stated, "And would the Development Agreement also restrict future
use, or could it restrict future use such as a school?" Commissioner Krebs stated, "It
could. So we would have to put that - would that be something we would do tonight?"
City Manager Ronald W. McLemore suggested, "We could do that as part of your Final
Engineering." Deputy Mayor Blake recommended, "You could make that a stipulation to
an approval of Conditional Use."
Mr. Tom Waters, 1033 Antelope Trail, Winter Springs, Florida: As the Chairman of the
Board of Adjustment, Mr. Waters spoke about traffic control.
Commissioner McGinnis stated, "I like the idea of a parking analysis. And, I would like
to take up on Ms. Froscher's comments regarding a Wildlife Impact Study - I would like
to know if there are any gopher tortoises there? What are you going to do with them?
Relocate them?"
Mr. Skelton responded, "They've done a Study. I'm sure there were gopher tortoises out
there. I'm not sure what the analysis was. They're going to have to update it - I think it
was done about a year ago. But, during the Final Site Plan, they'll have to go through the
process and go through the proper channels of relocating them." Commissioner Krebs
stated, "Relocate them."
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Commissioner Gilmore stated, "Brian [Fields], you just mentioned putting curb stops or
car stops in the field to organize the parking. 1 have a concern if you do that, that is going
to hurt - keeping it a nice grassed area, mowed area. 1 am not sure, 1 think you need to go
back and re-Iook at that one."
Mr. Fields noted, "Our intention was that, we can look at that, is if you don't define it.
You tend to get less parking as people like a little more comfort between vehicles so it is
our intention to maximize the spaces, but we can look into that."
Discussion.
Manager McLemore said, "I think it would be advisable in your final Vote if you decide
to go forward with this to actually put that language in saying that it is subject to future
Restrictions, that you may apply detailed site planning, so that it cannot be implied that
minimum standards only are to be used at site planning."
Commissioner McGinnis spoke for the Record regarding any history of Conditional Use.
"MOTION TO APPROVE INCORPORATING ALL OF THE
RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF; RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE
BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. WE DEFINITLEY WANT 'NO SCHOOL'. IN THE
FUTURE, WE WANT THE BUSES UNIFORM AND HIDDEN FROM VIEW. NO
PARKING IS ALREADY IN THERE - PARKING ANALYSIS; AND I THINK
THAT COVERS ALL OF IT." "MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS.
MANAGER McLEMORE STATED, "MAKE SURE THAT YOU ADD IN THAT
LANGUAGE THAT YOU MAY AT YOUR DISCRETION REQUIRE MORE
THAN THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS."
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS ADDED, "I WOULD INCLUDE THAT - SUBJECT
TO FUTURE RESTRICTIONS THAT DO NOT NEED TO BE LIMITED TO THE
MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS..." COMMISSIONER KREBS STATED, "...TO
BE APPLIED TO A DETAILED SITE PLAN..." COMMISSIONER McGINNIS
STATED, "...YES. WHICH - THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THE SITE
PLAN..." DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE STATED, "...AND SUBJECT TO THE
DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT..." COMMISSIONER McGINNIS STATED,
"...SITE PLAN AGREEMENT AND DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT..."
COMMISSIONER KREBS ADDED, "...COULD YOU PUT IN THERE, BUSES
PAINTED TOO..." DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE STATED, "...SHE SAID BUSES
BE UNIFORM AND HIDDEN..." SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER.
DISCUSSION.
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Tape 3/Side A
"I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE BOARD OF
ADJUSTMENT'S FINDINGS AND TO GO AHEAD AND ACCEPT ITEM '200.2'
- THE VARIANCE REQUEST." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KREBS.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
.:..:. AGENDA NOTE: PUBLIC INPUT WAS HEARD NEXT, AS
DOCUMENTED. .:. .:.
PUBLIC INPUT
Mr. Bob Rucci, 973 Turkey Hollow Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke of the
upcoming "Hogs and Hounds Charity Poker Run" Event and Vendors; and noted that
Invitations were just distributed for the Mayor and City Commission, and that a
Documentary of the Event was going to be produced. Mr. Rucci invited the Mayor and
City Commission to participate in this production and Event.
Mr. Tom Brown, 717 Adidas Road, Winter Springs, Florida: representing the Planning
And Zoning Board/Local Planning Agency's Chairperson, Ms. Rosanne Karr, Mr. Brown
spoke of their last recent meeting and recent assignments related to the Comprehensive
Plan and EAR (Evaluation and Appraisal Report).
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.:..:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING PUBLIC HEARINGS AGENDA
ITEM WAS DISCUSSED NEXT, FOLLOWED BY THE REST OF THE
AGENDA, AS DOCUMENTED. .:..:.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
PUBLIC HEARINGS
203. Community Development Department - Planning Division
Requests The City Commission Hold A Public Hearing To Consider Revisions To
The Aesthetic Review Of Building [Number] 16 Of The Winter Springs Town
Center Located Along The Eastern Portion Of The Round-About On Cliff Rose
Drive, North Of Tree Shallow Drive.
Mr. Baker presented his opening remarks related to this Agenda Item.
Deputy Mayor Blake asked, "Aren't we supposed to have a Town Center diagram here
that shows where within the Town Center this Building 16 is located?"
Discussion.
Commissioner Miller stated, "If that comer were to be found to be very useful for - like a
coffee shop or a restaurant - I was curious why you would go from two (2) doors to one
(1)? It just seems like two (2) doors would facilitate more people going in and out, and
service - if people wanted service on the sidewalk."
Mr. Rick Maxian, Project Coordinator, Randall Paulson Architects, 85-A Mill Street,
Suite 200, Roswell, Georgia: addressed the City Commission on this project.
Discussion ensued on al fresco dining, to which Commissioner Miller said, "Think about
it, because a double door may help." Mr. Maxian added, "The other thing about putting a
double door right here - this is the thickest part where the patio space is, so this is where
the majority of your tables are going to be, so a double door here would probably be more
sufficient than a single door back here then. I don't think that's a problem."
Deputy Mayor Blake opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
No one spoke.
Deputy Mayor Blake closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
"MOTION TO APPROVE THE REVISED ELEVATION - AS SHOWN WITH ( "J
THE SUGGESTION OR THE COMMENT ABOUT A DOUBLE DOOR INSTEAD Jr:----;-'
OF A SINGLE DOOR ON THE REVISED ELEVATION." MOTION BY;-
COMMISSIONER MILLER. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. -- ~
DISCUSSION. ~ I
REGULAR AGENDA
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300. Not Used.
REGULAR
301. Community Development Department
Requests The City Commission Consider The Final Engineering/Subdivision Plan
For Phase II A Of The Winter Springs Town Center. Phase II A Is Comprised Of
312 Condominium Units And 33,240 Square Feet Of Retail/Restaurant Space On
7.75 Acres In The Winter Springs Town Center, Located In The Northeast
Quadrant Of Tuskawilla Road And S.R. (State Road) 434.
Mr. Baker in his opening comments stated, "Staff has looked at this and we recommend
approval subject to the ten (10) conditions that you have in your Staff Report and subject
to addressing the deviations from the Code that are set forth in your Staff Report, in the
Development Agreement or Implementation Agreement."
Discussion.
Mr. George D. Tullos, James Doran Company, 216 Seven Farms Drive, Suite 200,
Charleston, South Carolina: remarked that, "One of the reasons that that pad is still in
question - we in conjunction with Staff, talked about the need for parking immediately,
and we decided that that pad could be temporary parking and we were going to allow
that, while we continue our marketing efforts for something else."
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Commissioner Krebs asked, "Temporary - to what date?" Mr. Tullos remarked, "Until
such time as we can build a building which at that point would require structured parking
or parking replacement."
Deputy Mayor Blake said, "When are we going to have that come back to US, Ron
[McLemore ]?" Manager McLemore stated, "It is probably going to be the first meeting
of next month." Manager McLemore added, "I would like for us to commit to each other
- we're going to be there by the first meeting of next month - if not sooner?" Mr. Tullos
remarked, "Agreed."
"I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM '301' - THE FINAL ENGINEERING
PLANS FOR PHASE IIA - TOWN CENTER." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER
GILMORE. COMMISSIONER KREBS SAID, "WOULD THAT BE WITH THE
CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL FOR THE FINAL ENGINEERING?"
COMMISSIONER GILMORE STATED, "YES." SECONDED BY
COMMISSIONER KREBS.
MANAGER McLEMORE INQUIRED, "YOU MADE THAT SUBJECT TO THE
IMPLEMENTATION AGREEMENT?" COMMISSIONER GILMORE NOTED,
"YES - SUBJECT TO THE IMPLEMENTATION AGREEMENT."
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REGULAR
302. Public Works Department
Requesting The City Commission Review And Consider A Proposed Modification
To The Jesup's Landing Final Engineering, Specifically To The Foundation Design
At Four (4) Townhome Buildings.
Mr. Fields introduced this Agenda Item.
Discussion.
Mr. Ken Derrick, P.E., Universal Engineering Sciences, 3532 Maggie Boulevard,
Orlando, Florida: addressed the City Commission.
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Further discussion.
Tape 3/Side B
Commissioner Gilmore said to Mr. Derrick, "Are you saying that there is not going to be
a problem with hydraulic pressure from those buildings, potentially forcing the muck out
from there?" Mr. Derrick said, "Yes, Sir. That is what I'm saying." Commissioner
Gilmore then asked, "You would sign that?" Mr. Derrick answered, "Yes, Sir."
With further discussion, Commissioner Gilmore said, "I would like to see a cross-section
of this whole thing."
Discussion.
"I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO EXTEND THE MEETING FOR AN HOUR."
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER
McGINNIS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: NAY
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Discussion.
Mr. Christopher P. Roper, Esquire, Akerman Senterfitt, 420 South Orange Avenue, Suite
1200, Orlando, Florida: spoke for the Record.
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE STATED, "I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO
DIRECT STAFF TO TAKE THIS ISSUE UP, TO STUDY AND BRING BACK
EVIDENCE TO THE COMMISSION THAT THIS METHOD OF BUILDING
UPON MUCK IS INDEED PROVEN AND ACCEPTED IN THE TYPES OF
MUCK THAT EXIST HERE ON THIS PROPERTY, AND PROVIDE US WITH
THE - COMFORT THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE HEALTH,
SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF THE RESIDENTS OF WINTER SPRINGS."
"I AGREE WITH YOU AND I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER KREBS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER.
DISCUSSION.
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COMMISSIONER McGINNIS SUGGESTED, "I THINK AN AUDIO-VISUAL
WOULD BE GOOD FOR US." COMMISSIONER KREBS ADDED, "I WANT
MORE DATA." DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE STATED, "I AM NOT
INTERESTED IN FLUFF OR MARKETING." COMMISSIONER GILMORE
SAID, "I THINK IF WE GO BACK AND ASK FOR AN ENGINEERING
ANALYSIS AND STUDIES, AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST - I
WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME EVIDENCE AND PERFORMANCE RESULTS
ON EVEN THE RECHARGE - MUCK; THE SUCCESS ON THAT; AND WHAT
IS STANDARD IN THE INDUSTRY."
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REGULAR
303. Public Works Department
Requesting City Commission Approval To Enter Into A Contract For Professional
Engineering Services With Metric Engineering, Inc. For $19,640.00 To Implement
Roadway Improvements On S.R. (State Road) 434 To Improve U-Turn Movements.
Mr. Fields introduced this Agenda Item.
Discussion.
Tape 4/Side A
Further discussion.
"I MOVE TO APPROVE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MCGINNIS.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER MILLER ASKED, "ARE WE TAKING OUT ANY OF THE
GREEN SPACE?" COMMISSIONER KREBS STATED, "NO."
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS SAID, "NO." .
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VOTE:
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: NAY
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REGULAR
304. Not Used.
REGULAR
305. Office Of The City Manager
Requesting The City Commission To Approve The Health Insurance Plan And
Provider For Fiscal Year 07.
Mr. Kevin Smith, Director, General Services Department addressed the City Commission
on this Agenda Item.
Discussion ensued on the comparative data in this Agenda Item, to which Deputy Mayor
Blake remarked, "r want good information provided to us."
Ms. Fluffy Bellus, Bellus Insurance Services, 1251 Miller Avenue, #B, Winter Park,
Florida: briefly addressed the City Commission.
"MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THIS YEAR WE JUST KEEP THE PLAN
SIMILAR..." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. DEPUTY MAYOR
BLAKE STATED, "...CONTINUE CURRENT PLAN DESIGN."
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS ADDED, "RIGHT." SECONDED BY
COMMISSIONER GILMORE. DISCUSSION.
MS. BELLUS SAID, "I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES FAMILY COSTS ARE AN
ISSUE AND I HAVE JUST RECENTLY TALKED WITH RON [McLEMORE]
AND KEVIN [SMITH] AND I SUGGESTED THAT IF YOU KEEP THE
SEVENTEEN PERCENT (17%) INCREASE, YOU MIGHT ALSO WANT TO
OFFER A 'BUY-DOWN', IF SOMEONE WANTED TO CHOOSE A LESS RICH
PLAN FOR LESSER COSTS FOR DEPENDENTS."
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DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE ASKED, "WHAT DO WE LOSE BY DOING THE
DUAL ACTION?" MS. BELLUS STATED, "NOTHING. IT WOULD ALL BE
THE SAME."
NEXT, DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE STATED, "SO THE AMENDED MOTION
WOULD BE TO CONTINUE THE CURRENT PLAN DESIGN WITH THE 'BUY-
DOWN' OPTION FOR EMPLOYEES TO HAVE THE '80-20' PLAN..."
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS SAID, "...YES." DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE
CONTINUED, "...IF THEY SO DESIRED. THAT IS THE AMENDED
MOTION." SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE: (ON THE AMENDMENT)
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
VOTE: (ON THE MAIN MOTION, AS AMENDED)
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REGULAR
306. Public Works Department
Requests The City Commission To Review And Consider A Proposed 145-Foot
Extension To The Orange Avenue Improvements Currently Under Construction, At
A Cost Of $65,665.00.
Mr. Fields introduced this Agenda Item.
Discussion.
"I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT MONEY USED OTHER PLACES; SO I MOVE
THAT WE DO NOT EXTEND THIS ROAD AT THE ROBERTS' PROPERTY."
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER
MILLER. DISCUSSION.
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: NAY
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: NAY
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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"MOTION TO EXTEND." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REGULAR
307. Office Of The City Manager
Requesting The City Commission To Provide Direction Regarding Special
Considerations For Permit Fees For Buildings Damaged By Fire.
"I MAKE A MOTION WE DENY THIS." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER
MILLER. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: NAY
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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CONSENT AGENDA
CONSENT
400. Parks and Recreation Department
Requesting The City Commission's Approval To Apply For A Seminole Cultural
Arts Council Grant For Two (2) Philharmonic Orchestra Performances And
Authorize The City Manager To Apply For This Grant On Behalf Of The City Of
Winter Springs.
There was no discussion on this Agenda Item.
CONSENT
401. Information Services Department
Requests Authorization To Dispose Of Surplus Assets According To The Attached
Disposition Sheets.
No discussion.
CONSENT
402. Public Works Department - Capital Projects Coordinator
Requesting Approval To Accept Hazard Mitigation Grant Program Funds From
The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) Through The Florida
Department Of Community Affairs (DCA).
This Agenda Item was not discussed.
CONSENT
403. Public Works Department
Requests The City Commission Validate The Staff Recommendation Finding
Nursery Road Warehouses Phase IIB-l To Be Built In Substantial Accordance With
The Final Engineering Plans.
Brief discussion.
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CONSENT
404. Finance Department
Requesting That The City Commission Authorize A Supplemental Appropriation In
The Amount Of $47,612.00 From The Police Impact Fee Fund Reserve And
$95,223.00 From The Parks Impact Fee Fund Reserve And $23,077.00 From The
2004 LOC (Line Of Credit) Debt Service Fund Reserve. These Funds, Totaling
$165,912.00 Will Be Used To Pay Off The Police Headquarters Expansion And The
Wincey Property Purchase (Parks) Portion Of The Year 2004 SunTrust Line Of
Credit In The Fiscal Year 2005/2006 Budget.
No discussion.
CONSENT
405. Office Of The City Clerk
Requesting Approval Of Resolution 2006-39 Expressing Appreciation To Alice
Louise Allen For Her Service On The Oak Forest Wall and Beautification District
Advisory Committee.
This Agenda Item was not discussed.
CONSENT
406. Office Of The City Clerk
Requesting Approval Of The June 26, 2006 Regular City Commission Meeting
Minutes.
There was no discussion on this Agenda Item.
"MOTION TO APPROVE" CONSENT AGENDA.
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. SECONDED. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
MOTION BY
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INFORMATIONAL AGENDA
INFORMATIONAL
500. Community Development Department
Advising The City Commission Of The Status Of Various Current Planning
Projects.
Brief discussion.
INFORMATIONAL
501. Not Used.
INFORMATIONAL
502. Parks And Recreation Department
Would Like to Inform The City Commission On The Status Of The Seminole
County Youth Football League In Regard To Usage Of City Fields.
Brief discussion ensued with Mr. Chuck Pula, Director, Parks and Recreation
Department.
Commissioner McGinnis added, "Thanks for working hard on this."
"MOTION TO APPROVE" INFORMATIONAL AGENDA. MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER MILLER. SECONDED. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTYMAYORBLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REPORTS
REPORTS
600. Office Of The City Attorney - Anthony A. Garganese, Esquire
Attorney LaTorre briefly addressed the City Commission.
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REPORTS
601. Office Of The City Manager - Ronald W. McLemore
Manager McLemore stated, "Staff and I have met several times over the Fireworks
issue." Manager McLemore continued, "We will file our complaint with them tomorrow.
I will copy you on it."
REPORTS
602. Office Of The City Clerk - Andrea Lorenzo-Luaces, CMC
City Clerk Andrea Lorenzo-Luaces reminded the City Commission that "Next Monday at
6:00 p.m., you have your Budget Workshop. And then the following Saturday, on the
22nd [Of July, 2006], you have at 9:00 a.m., a second Budget Workshop." Deputy Mayor
Blake stated, "I am not going to be at that Saturday one."
REPORTS
603. Commission Seat One - Robert S. Miller
Commissioner Miller said, "I would like the City Manager and Staff to work diligently
on replacing the dead trees on [State Road] 434 - west of Hayes Road. There are quite a
few of them." Commissioner Miller added, "I would like to ask that if it is going to take
four (4) or five (5) months to resolve this, that we find some way to get them in
immediately and let's maybe send them a bill or whatever."
Next, Commissioner Miller spoke on the Record about a Campaign event for Mr. Mize; a
possible contribution; and that Commissioner Miller was providing the City Clerk with
information from Mr. Mize' s Website related to the Campaign event.
Regarding some Aesthetic Reviews, Commissioner Miller stated, "My concern is that
Contractors get the impression that this Commission is easy to push around because we
have approved two (2) buildings without any modifications on the east end of town. We
approved one (1) across the street over here where we didn't get anything out of them
except a plaza out in front, which is just a bunch of paving stones with a couple of trees
in it. I think we gave away a major, major, major concession by allowing them to put it
back from the street." With further comments, Commissioner Miller said, "If that
continues for a while, I think we ought to just eliminate the Aesthetic Review concept."
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.:. .:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING REPORTS WERE HEARD IN THE
ORDER DOCUMENTED. .:. .:.
REPORTS
REPORTS
605. Commission Seat Three - Donald A. Gilmore
No Report.
REPORTS
606. Commission Seat Four - Sally McGinnis
· West End Office Fountain
Commissioner McGinnis referenced the recent Vote on the West End offices.
Tape 4/Side B
Commissioner McGinnis added, "I have been thinking about that and 1 am convinced that
- this an opportunity to have something really different there, and 1 would love to see a
nice sculpture, piece of art - we don't have anything like that in the City."
Furthermore, Commissioner McGinnis noted, "I would hope we wouldn't have to
demand it, but 1 would like to go back and ask them to reconsider."
Manager McLemore remarked, "We're going to have to Agenda this for your next
Meeting." Commissioner McGinnis stated, "Yes."
"I WILL MOVE THAT WE PUT THIS ON THE NEXT AGENDA." MOTION
BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE NOTED,
"MOTION IS TO RECONSIDER THE ITEM." COMMISSIONER McGINNIS
SAID, "YES..." DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE ADDED, "...SPECIFICIALLY
PERTAINING TO THE WEST END OFFICE BUILDING FRONT
ARCHITECURAL FEATURES..." COMMISSIONER McGINNIS
COMMENTED, "...YES." SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER.
DISCUSSION.
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MANAGER McLEMORE SAID, "I DON'T KNOW ON THE LAND USE ISSUES,
IF WE CAN DO THAT OR NOT. WE'LL CHECK AND FIND OUT."
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
. Leadership Florida/Seminole
Discussion ensued on Leadership Seminole and having a Staff member attend.
Manager McLemore stated, "If the Commission would like for the Senior Staff to start
participating in this program, we will work out some kind of schedule to do that."
Commissioner McGinnis stated, "I would. Good."
"I MOVE THAT WE SEND A STAFF THROUGH THE OFFICE OF THE CITY
MANAGER TO LEADERSHIP SEMINOLE - NO MORE THAN TWO (2) PER
CLASS - SO IT COULD BE ONE (1) - THERE IS A CLASS STARTING IN
AUGUST AND FEBRUARY." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Commissioner McGinnis next spoke of Blue roof tarps and said, "I would like for us to
consider a time limit on somebody's roof that blow off and they can just keep tarp on it -
certainly two (2) years." Manager McLemore noted, "We will look at it."
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Next, Commissioner McGinnis mentioned portable carports and said, "We should have
some kind of an Ordinance regarding this."
Continuing, Commissioner McGinnis remarked next about "The 'CAP' Program -
Community Awareness program that I brought to this Commission over a year ago,
maybe two (2) years ago, from Longwood." Commissioner McGinnis noted, "I would
like to have that go on a fast track." Commissioner McGinnis added, "I would like to ask
that we move that along quickly."
Commissioner McGinnis then remarked, "I am just ready to make a commitment that we
secure a Dog Park in Winter Springs." Commissioner Miller asked Commissioner
McGinnis, "So what do you want to do. Leave it where it is? Leave it in Central Winds
Park?" Commissioner McGinnis responded, "Yes." Mayor John F. Bush stated, "I have
got a meeting with Chairman Henley coming up and I - will just ask him straight out,
'Are you going to do anything or not?' If he says 'No', 1 will let you all know."
Commissioner McGinnis added, "That is all 1 want to know - what are they going to do.
We have to know so we can move forward."
Commissioner Miller said to Mayor Bush, "Ask him when you do, to look at some of the
other items we have discussed with them."
REPORTS
608. Office Of The Mayor - John F. Bush
Mayor Bush noted that at the 4th of July event, "I was not aware of the sequence of
events." Mayor Bush added, "I don't know how 1 missed finding out about it, but 1 did -
was 1 the only one that didn't know?" Commissioner McGinnis added, "It didn't matter,
we couldn't hear anything anyway." Commissioner Krebs added, "I didn't know."
Mayor Bush continued, "The Public Address system is not adequate - exiting the Park
was an absolute nightmare."
Regarding Television Station WMFE, Mayor Bush asked if anyone else had been
contacted by him and discussed suggested funding. Commissioner McGinnis stated, "I
think the trade-off is worth every penny of it. We will have access to getting some
information out on telling our story." Manager McLemore suggested, "I think it should
be Agenda'd for the next Meeting."
Mayor Bush noted that last week, Manager McLemore and he had met with resident Ron
Lichthart on budget issues.
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Next, Mayor Bush congratulated Deputy Mayor Blake on tonight's Meeting.
Mayor Bush mentioned that he will be back in town on Monday for the Budget
Workshop.
REPORTS
604. Commission Seat Two/Deputy Mayor - Michael S. Blake
Deputy Mayor Blake stated, "Gator Lane - the house that - you can see from Tuscawilla"
and asked about the status. Captain Glenn Tolleson, Police Department spoke on this
issue. Deputy Mayor Blake then noted, "It is getting worse."
REPORTS
607. Commission Seat Five - Joanne M. Krebs
Commissioner Krebs asked Manager McLemore about the funding of the Therapy Pool.
Manager McLemore stated, "I don't know if we ever got a final commitment."
Furthermore, Manager McLemore remarked, "What the County was going to do was go
in and try to take - unspent monies out of this year's Budget and my understanding was,
they did that. There was two hundred and seventy thousand dollars ($270,000.00),
something like that, which - worked out to be fifty percent (50%) of our request. And it
was stated to us, that that's what they were going to do, but they never formalized it.
That is something the Mayor can take to Chairman Henley."
Manager McLemore then said to Mayor Bush, "When you meet with Chairman Henley,
you can ask him why we never got a formal commitment on that funding for the Therapy
Pool. They indicated to us that they were going to fund about approximately fifty percent
(50%) of our requests, but we never got any formal word on that."
Mayor Bush said to City Clerk Lorenzo-Luaces, "If you would, would you put together
all the things that I am to ask Chairman Henley - in an email to me." City Clerk Lorenzo-
Luaces said, "Yes."
.:..:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL REPORT WAS
HEARD NEXT, AS DOCUMENTED. .:..:.
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REPORTS
REPORTS
608. Office Of The Mayor - John F. Bush
Mayor Bush asked Manager McLemore, "Have you met with the Golf Course Attorney
on the water?" Manager McLemore stated, "Not yet. It is two (2) or three (3) days down
the road yet." Manager McLemore added, "It is on the calendar, but it hasn't happened
yet."
.:. .:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL REPORT WAS
HEARD NEXT, AS DOCUMENTED. .:..:.
REPORTS
REPORTS
607. Commission Seat Five - Joanne M. Krebs
Commissioner Krebs said, "Last Budget Meeting we had talked about - at one time,
having a Fall event. Did that go away?" Mr. Pula stated, "We haven't been able to find
anything, we would like any type of direction you might have on doing a different type of
event?" Commissioner Krebs said, "Have you thought of an Oktoberfest or anything like
that? With discussion, Commissioner McGinnis suggested, "Let's just continue with
what we know works. What is wrong with having another Symphony? Well that is my
recommendation. And we can do it for a lot less than fifty thousand [dollars]
($50,000.00), I think?"
Manager McLemore said, "I would also like to Agenda this for the next Meeting."
Commissioner McGinnis said, "Okay." Commissioner Krebs added, "That would be
great. Let's put it on the Agenda then."
.:. .:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL REPORT WAS
HEARD NEXT, AS DOCUMENTED. .:. .:.
REPORTS
REPORTS
603. Commission Seat One - Robert S. Miller
In further discussing the Therapy Pool, Commissioner Miller stated, "Since we haven't
gotten any money from the County yet, is it still moving forward then?"
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Mr. Pula stated, "Yes, it is still in design. I have seen one (1) set of drawings. We have
gotten one (1) group of comments ready to go back. We're actively working on the
project despite the County not giving us anything in writing yet on the additional
funding. "
.:..:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL REPORT WAS
HEARD NEXT, AS DOCUMENTED. .:..:.
REPORTS
REPORTS
606. Commission Seat Four - Sally McGinnis
Commissioner McGinnis said to Mr. Pula, "I would like to recommend that next year, all
balloons be banned from our 4th of July event. Balloons are one of the biggest killers of
large fish in the ocean."
Furthermore, Commissioner McGinnis mentioned, "There was a lot of confusion over
coolers this year." Manager McLemore noted, "We have eased up a bit." Commissioner
McGinnis suggested, "We need to say that - we need to say 'ahead of time'." Lastly,
Commissioner McGinnis stated, "Also, we need to post the Dog Park closing, at least a
week in advance."
.:..:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL REPORT WAS
HEARD NEXT, AS DOCUMENTED. .:..:.
REPORTS
REPORTS
607. Commission Seat Five - Joanne M. Krebs
Commissioner Krebs said, "That band was terrific for the 'Celebration of Freedom' ."
Furthermore, Commissioner Krebs added, "I wanted to thank you for that and let you
know that I thought that really went well and I received a lot of compliments - even
though there was a little glitch with the fireworks. I think that maybe the next time,
something like that, that we are more prepared to have somebody get up on stage and say,
'Sorry' ."
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Discussion ensued on the public address system not working.
Commissioner Gilmore asked, "Was there an estimate of the crowd?" Discussion ensued
with Mr. Pula on the attendees, and the Vendors.
.:. .:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL REPORT WAS
HEARD NEXT, AS DOCUMENTED. .:..:.
REPORTS
REPORTS
601. Office Of The City Manager - Ronald W. McLemore
Manager McLemore advised the City Commission that "We've been working with the
Tax Accessor's office to get us separate accounting of the taxes in the Town Center
district. We just got information back today - that twenty-five percent (25%) of your
total increase in your taxes this year, came from the Town Center." Manager McLemore
added, "Your assessed value came from the - Town Center - increased value."
Mayor Bush suggested, "You should do a Press Release on that." Commissioner Krebs
added, "I agree." Commissioner McGinnis suggested, "Make the Press Releases
shorter. "
Further brief discussion followed on the GreeneWay Interchange District and the Metro
Church.
ADJOURNMENT
Deputy Mayor Blake adjourned the Regular Meeting at 12:50 a.m.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED:
ANDREA LORENZO-LUACES, CMC
CITY CLERK
APPROVED:
JOHN F. BUSH
MAYOR
NOTE: These Minutes were approved at the
, 2006 Regular City Commission Meeting.
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CALL TO ORDER
The Regular Meeting of Monday, July 24, 2006 of the City Commission was called to
order by Mayor John F. Bush at 6:31 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the Municipal
Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida 32708).
Roll Call:
Mayor John F. Bush, present
Deputy Mayor Michael S. Blake, present
Commissioner Robert S. Miller, present
Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore, present
Commissioner Sally McGinnis, present
Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs, present
City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, present
City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, present
The Pledge of Allegiance was followed by a moment of silence.
.:..:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
AGENDA ITEMS WERE DISCUSSED FIRST, AS DOCUMENTED, FOLLOWED
BY THE REST OF THE AGENDA. .:. .:.
AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
100. Office Of The Mayor
Presenting The City Commission With Information On Seminole County Driver
Education Safety By Robin Butler, Principal Coordinator, Seminole County Traffic
Engineering Department.
Ms. Robin Butler, Principal Coordinator, Seminole County Traffic Engineering
Department, 1101 East First Street, Sanford, Florida: addressed the City Commission
and mentioned, "Slide number '19', I am going to pass around an amended slide - for
your sheet number' 19'."
Ms. Butler continued with her presentation.
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With discussion, Commissioner McGinnis asked Ms. Butler, "Will you track the data for
this? Will you be able to track if it has made a difference, if they went through this
program?" Ms. Butler responded, "Absolutely."
Discussion.
Mr. Bob Dallari, County Commissioner, Seminole County Board of County
Commissioners, 1101 East First Street, Sanford, Florida: also addressed the City
Commission and spoke of partnerships between Seminole County and Seminole County
cities.
Regarding support for this project, Ms. Butler explained, "We could really use your
support with the automobiles and the maintenance for the automobiles. It comes to
approximately a hundred thousand dollars ($100,000.00)." Ms. Butler then noted, "We
would like the City of Winter Springs and Winter Springs High School to be one of the
pilots, so in order to have that, we would need that type of financial support."
Chief of Police Daniel J. Kerr stated, "The City Manager and 1 have both talked briefly
about the cars that when we go to replace our older vehicles, that there are some that
would be able to be used for this project, and - we would be able to donate those
vehicles. "
City Manager Ronald W. McLemore asked Ms. Butler, "About this hundred thousand
[dollars] ($100,000.00) maintenance. Who is coming up with that?" Ms. Butler
explained, "It is an estimate based on currently what is spent on the vehicles that they
have had to use." Ms. Butler added, "This is an estimate."
Mayor Bush said, "I would like to recommend that we ask the Manager and the Police
Chief to look into this further in terms of the actual cost, and then come back to the
Commission with - recommendation."
Discussion.
Furthermore, Mayor Bush recommended, "I would like to recommend that we ask the
Manager and the Police Chief to look into this further and come back with maybe a more
definitive number." Commissioner McGinnis said, "I support that."
Manager McLemore suggested, "Why couldn't we think about a county-wide 'MSTU'
(Municipal Service Taxing Units) tax rate which would almost be infinitesimal and
contract with the Schools to do it for the County."
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AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
101. Office Of The City Manager
Requesting The City Commission Consider A Request From WMFE For Financial
Support.
Mr. Steven McKenney Steck, Chief Executive Officer, WMFE, 11510 East Colonial
Avenue, Orlando, Florida: spoke of connectivity and capacity.
Continuing, Mr. Steck stated, "We are here to ask for the City of Winter Springs to
provide a five thousand dollar ($5,000.00) per year capacity Grant for a three (3) year
period. "
Furthermore, Mr. Steck mentioned, "Additionally, we want to bring an added value to the
relationship of our capacity Grant donors through (Television Station) WMFE central
Florida alliance network to ask you in association with your role with Seminole
Government TV (SGTV) to participate in over the air free and accessible to all,
broadcasting on the stations of (Television Station) WMFE, such that on one of our
multi-casted channels, the C-SP AN channel. You would have a block of time for your
programs or your programs produced in association with SGTV (Seminole Government
TV), multiple plays throughout a week, throughout a year, at least once in prime time
every week; not requiring your residents to subscribe to cable, you would have a regional
presence in this marketplace and we would bring, we think added value to this Grant-
making relationship as part of asking you all to be an ally in the central Florida alliance
network.
So, in closing, we're asking the City of Winter Springs as well as twelve (12) other local
government entities in central Florida to provide, though in your case, a capacity Grant of
five thousand dollars ($5,000.00) each year for a three (3) year period, beginning in the
Spring of next year, though we hope you could approve it in the next sixty (60) days, to
allow (Television Station) WMFE to assert your opportunities to have connectivity with
your constituents, your constituencies or (Television Station) WMFE's viewers, listeners
and members."
Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs inquired, "How many times would we have a
broadcast?" Mr. Steck replied, "Given the comparative Grant size to others, roughly
about fourteen (14) times, I think."
Discussion.
"I MOVE THAT WE SUPPORT A FIVE THOUSAND DOLLAR ($5,000.00) PER
YEAR, CAPACITY GRANT, FOR THREE (3) YEARS." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE.
DISCUSSION.
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DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE SAID TO CITY ATTORNEY ANTHONY A.
GARGANESE, "THE MOTION WAS TO EARMARK AN EXPENDITURE OUT
INTO FUTURE YEARS, FUTURE TIME PERIODS. DO WE HAVE TO USE
SOME SORT OF SPECIAL LANGUAGE IF WE ARE GOING TO BUDGET AN
APPROPRIATION OUT, TWO (2) YEARS OR THREE (3) YEARS."
ATTORNEY GARGANESE RESPONDED, "TYPICALLY, IF WE'RE GOING
TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE OUGHT TO PUT IT IN AN
AGREEMENT. I DIDN'T SEE ONE ATTACHED. THE COMMISSION COULD
ENTER INTO A CONTRACT TO PROVIDE THESE EXPENDITURES FOR A
THREE (3) YEAR TIME PERIOD." ATTORNEY GARGANESE ADDED, "AND
PUT THE APPROPRIATE BUDGET LANGUAGE IN THAT CONTRACT. IF
WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT FOR A YEAR, I JUST WOULDN'T DO IT ON A
MOTION. I MEAN WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK."
MR. STECK STATED, "SURE, AND WE WOULD ANTICPATE THAT. AND IT
WOULD PROBABLY, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ASKING FOR THREE (3)
YEARS, IT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE AN ESCAPE CLAUSE FOR EACH
YEAR. WE UNDERSTAND THAT."
Tape l/Side B
DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: NAY
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
PUBLIC INPUT
Mr. Edward Martinez, Jr., 205 Little Creek Lane, Winter Springs, Florida: suggested the
Driver's Education project should be funded by the School Board; spoke of rural
Seminole County; and mentioned that resident Mr. Bob Rucci deserves an award for his
recent event and his efforts related to a Dog Park for the City.
Mr. Mervin Warner, 673 Keuka Court, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke of Agenda Item
"400" and recommended that it be pulled for discussion related to traffic issues; asked
about the status on the Cell Tower Ordinance; and the flags at the entrance to Tuskawilla.
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Mr. Ron Ligthart, 1036 Winding Waters Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: presented the
City with a way to save the City money by providing a step for the men's restroom; along
with a sign.
Mr. Brian Buholtz, 106 Trace Point, Winter Springs, Florida: inquired about the status
of funding for the extension of Orange A venue, and noted that it would provide an
alternate access point.
Ms. Helga Schwarz, 2200 Shepard Road, Winter Springs, Florida: representing the
Highlands Homeowner's Association's, Mayor Bush stated, "She did not want to address
the Commission; she is submitting Highland HOA's [Homeowner's Association's]
continued objection to Ordinance 2006-05, 2006-06."
PUBLIC HEARINGS AGENDA
PUBLIC HEARINGS
200. Not Used.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
201. Community Development Department - Planning Division
Requests The City Commission Hold A Public Hearing For Second Reading /
Adoption Of Ordinance 2006-05, A Small Scale FLUM (Future Land Use Map)
Amendment Which Changes The Future Land Use Map Designation Of Two
Parcels Totaling 1.17 Acres, Located On Lake Lucerne Circle From (Winter
Springs) "Industrial" To (City Of Winter Springs) "Medium Density Residential".
Attorney Garganese read Ordinance 2006-05 by "Title" only and stated, "There is a
revised Ordinance per the Commission's direction on the last time this was considered.
Section 9. Effective Date will include a sentence that reads, 'In addition, even if this
Ordinance is found to be in compliance per a final order as provided above, this
Ordinance shall only take effect at such time that Ordinance - 2005-29 becomes
effective' ."
Ms. Eloise Sahlstrom, ASLA, AICP, Senior Planner, Community Development
Department spoke on this Agenda Item.
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
No one spoke.
Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
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"I WILL MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM '201'." MOTION
BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS.
DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: NAY
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
202. Community Development Department - Planning Division
Requests The City Commission Hold A Public Hearing For Second Reading /
Adoption of Ordinance 2006-06, A Small Scale FLUM (Future Land Use Map)
Amendment Which Changes The Future Land Use Map Designation Of One Parcel
Totaling 1.72 Acres, Located At 1228 Florida Avenue From (Winter Springs)
"Industrial" To (City Of Winter Springs) "Medium Density Residential".
Attorney Garganese read Ordinance 2006-06 by "Title" only.
Ms. Sahstrom brief addressed the City Commission on this Agenda Item.
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
No one spoke.
Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
"I WILL MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM '202'." MOTION
BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS.
DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: NAY
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Attorney Garganese said, "Just for the Record, that will include the Conditional Effective
Date I read into the Record for the prior Ordinance."
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
203. Community Development Department
Requests That The City Commission Approve The Williams Lot Split, And
Authorize Its Recordation. [Resolution 2006-38]
Mr. John Baker, AICP, Senior Planner, Community Development Department presented
this Agenda Item.
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
No one spoke.
Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
Ms. Rachel Christensen, P.E., Christensen & Associates, 412 Mead Drive, Oviedo,
Florida: addressed the City Commission on the Stormwater.
Discussion ensued on the Settlement Agreement with the Yeager's and access.
Dr. Douglas Paul Williams, D. VM, 1491 East State Road 434, Suite 109, Winter
Springs, Florida: addressed the City Commission.
Further discussion.
Attorney Garganese noted, "The Final Engineering has been approved. They're relying
on it, they're in the process of construction; and I would advise not changing that at this
point." Attorney Garganese added, "This Lot Split should be subject to that Final
Engineering because the Final Engineering shows - one (1) access point, one (1) shared
access. "
"MOTION TO APPROVE - WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THERE BE ONE
(1) ACCESS ROAD FOR BOTH LOTS [RESOLUTION 2006-38]." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. ATTORNEY GARGANESE NOTED, "THAT
CONDITION WOULD GO INTO THE LOT SPLIT RESOLUTION - THE
AGREEMENT THAT THE COMMISSION IS APPROVING." SECONDED BY
COMMISSIONER GILMORE. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: NAY
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
204. Community Development Department - Planning Division
Requests The City Commission Consider The Amendment To Developer's
Agreement For Seminole Trail Animal Hospital, Inc., Located At 383 Vistawilla
Drive, On Lot 4 (Out-Parcel 2) Of Tuscawilla Tract 15 Parcell-C (Former Kash N'
Karry Shopping Center, Now Metro Church).
Mr. Baker presented his opening comments related to this Agenda Item.
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
No one spoke.
Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
Discussion.
Tape 2/Side A
With discussion, Deputy Mayor Michael S. Blake said, "The lot was originally intended,
when it was subdivided through the Developer's Agreement and the Settlement
Agreements, to be a single building and an office type environment."
Deputy Mayor Blake added, "Now instead oflooking at one (1) building, we are looking
at two (2) buildings. Now, instead of one (1) sign, we are looking at two (2) signs. 1
understand the entrance way has already been done, and that is unfortunate, but the fact
of the matter is, we are creating a traffic point here, a traffic point there, and a traffic
point here, and now we are going to line it with buildings and signs to cut down on your
site distance, and it is a residential area. 1 don't feel comfortable with that."
Then Deputy Mayor Blake noted, "I would tend to think that these types of buildings in
that location would be best served by building mounted signs of an appropriate type and
if there needs to be a tenant, ground mounted sign that one as is already approved should
be the maximum, so, 1 can't really support using two (2) signs. Especially, as
Commissioner [Robert S. ] Miller said, with one (1) entrance and egress that it makes
sense to have just one (1) sign as well."
Ms. Rachel Christensen, P.E., Christensen & Associates, 412 Mead Drive, Oviedo,
Florida: remarked, "From a marketing perspective and from a Site development
perspective and an appropriate placement and function ofthe Site, the two (2) signs make
a great deal of difference to a potential user or potential buyer for that property. It is a
long piece of frontage and yes, there will be a single driveway and we're committed to
that, but the second sign is very important to us. The original Approval did allow for
only one (1) sign. We recognize that we need Commission approval for this. The
original sign was actually a Waiver from the City Code Criteria to allow a taller sign.
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We're willing to put in two (2) signs to meet City Code foregoing the additional height
that was allowed by the Developer Agreement; if we can in fact, get approval for two (2)
signs. We think that the signs are tasteful. They will be appropriately located to provide
suitable site distances. We have analyzed the driveway location, and the landscaping and
the sign location with regard to appropriate site distances in terms of the speed of the road
and the curvature of the road and we certainly understand those issues and they're very
important. We would like consideration."
Commissioner Sally McGinnis asked, "What was the height of the sign - the Waiver, the
tall sign you referred to?" Mr. Baker said, "The Development Agreement allowed them
to go to eight feet nine inches (8' 9") tall in instead of the eight feet (8') required by
Code."
Discussion.
Commissioner Miller said, "Something to think about, if it is going to be one (1), eight
foot (8') sign; how about if they are just two (2), four foot (4')?" Commissioner
McGinnis said, "I like that." Commissioner Miller said, "It is not nearly intrusive as an
eight foot (8') sign to start with."
Dr. Williams stated, "One problem when talking about putting signs on the building, the
row of trees that they have precludes that, you can't see anything - and the second
building - the landscaping already has a large row of trees, it's already lining Vistawilla
[Drive] and you can't see the building hardly. You won't be able to see whenever the
second building is built. You can't see it because of the amount of landscaping that
separates it, so a sign on the building wouldn't work. And really even on my place, 1
mean there is really no particular location that a sign would be suitable for the aesthetics
that we've done for it. The cultured stone that we're putting on the east face of it, the
area that you see from the street, we don't have a location where you can put building
mounted signs, that has any kind of visibility from the street, so that's the problem that
we have run into."
Discussion.
"I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DIRECT THE CITY
MANAGER TO ENTER INTO A DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT THAT
ALLOWS FOR TWO (2) SIGN LOCATIONS NOT TO EXCEED - FOUR FEET
(4') HIGH, SIX FEET (6') WIDE TO BE LOCATED ON EACH SIDE ADJACENT
TO THE SINGLE ENTRANCE WAY IN SUCH A MANNER SO AS TO NOT
OBSTRUCT VISION OR ENTRANCE/EGRESS PURSUANT TO THE NORMAL
CITY GUIDELINES ON THE SITE TRIANGLE." MOTION BY DEPUTY
MAYOR BLAKE. MAYOR BUSH STATED, "SECONDED BY
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS." DISCUSSION.
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DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE SAID, "THAT MOTION ALSO INCLUDED THAT
THAT WAS ALL OF THE SIGNAGE - NO BUILDING SIGNAGE OTHER
THAN A SMALL DOOR ENTRANCE PLAQUE SIGNAGE THAT COULD BE
ON THE BUILDING OR ON A GLASS DOOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IN OTHER WORDS, SOMETHING THAT IDENTIFIES THE DOOR AS TO
WHAT IT IS."
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
205. Community Development Department
Requests That The City Commission Approve The Bledsoe Lot Split, And Authorize
Its Recordation.
Mr. Baker introduced this Agenda Item and said, "We as Staff, do recommend Approval
of this."
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
No one spoke.
Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
Mr. Richard Taylor, Esquire, 531 Dog Track Road, Longwood, Florida: representing the
Bledsoe's and commented, "First of all, I want to thank the Staff and compliment your
Staff. I met with many of them initially and then worked with Mr. Baker who has been
very professional, very helpful." Mr. Taylor further spoke on this Agenda Item.
Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore said to Mr. Taylor, "On this Plot Plan right here, will
you draw a line where the lot divide occurs - that drawing right there is what I want to
see it on." Commissioner Gilmore then said, "May I suggest, that you take attachment
'B' and transpose that to attachment 'A', John [Baker]? In fact can you take your
drawing and lay it on the table and draw a line - there it is, right there. Okay, that is what
I want to see. However, I want to see it in relationship to the surrounding area, this map
right here."
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With discussion, Commissioner Gilmore said, "Does that meet the compatibility
requirements?" Mr. Taylor said, "I think that it does."
Further discussion.
Attorney Garganese said, "Generally, the Commission had a rule that once a property has
been divided it could no longer be subdivided a second time, and the Commission after
numerous Workshops and Public Hearings, relaxed that requirement or that prohibition.
They relaxed it by adopting the changes to Chapter 9 that would permit lot splits under
limited circumstances if, and only if the Applicant could demonstrate Compliance with
the Criteria that the Commission approved. And one of the Criteria is the Application
must be compatible and in harmony with the surrounding neighborhood including with
respect to the size of existing surrounding lots and development trends in the
neighborhood, which have been previously approved by the Commission." Attorney
Garganese then said, "And 1 just want to clarify one point for the Record - one of the
Commissioners said that other lot splits have been approved in the past by the City; 1
think that should be qualified for the Record. There have not been many lot splits
approved subsequent to the adoption of this new Criteria that is on page 2."
Discussion.
Next, Attorney Garganese said, "Where would the access point be for - proposed lOA - 1
just want to clarify that for the Record. It looks to me like access would be - the only
access point available for lOA if this was approved, would be Hayes Road." Mr. Baker
said, "The - new lot would be Hayes Road. Yes, Sir." Attorney Garganese asked, "Are
there any other lots with access to Hayes Road in this particular area?" Mr. Baker
responded, "It looks like the lot immediately north of the Bledsoe's has a driveway onto
Hayes [Road] - south of East Panama [Road], yes." Attorney Garganese said, "Okay, 1
just wanted to clarify that fact."
"I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DISAPPROVE THE REQUEST FOR THE LOT
SPLIT - DENIED FOR LOT SPLIT ITEM '205'." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER MILLER. SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE.
DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: NAY
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Attorney Garganese said, "Mr. Taylor, I'm going to need to preserve these documents for
evidentuary purposes and preservation of the Record."
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Mayor Bush called a Recess at 8:45 p.m.
Mayor Bush called the Meeting back to Order at 9:01 p.m.
Next, Mayor Bush acknowledged former Mayor Paul Partyka, who was in attendance.
REGULAR AGENDA
REGULAR
300. Not Used.
.:..:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING REGULAR AGENDA ITEM WAS
DISCUSSED IN THE ORDER AS DOCUMENTED, FOLLOWED BY THE REST
OF THE AGENDA. .:. .:.
REGULAR AGENDA
REGULAR
303. Office Of The City Manager
Requesting That The City Commission Approve Resolution No. 2006-37,
Computing The Proposed Millage Rate (Cap) For Fiscal Year 2006-2007 At 4.7500
Mills Or Some Other Rate The City Commission Deems More Appropriate,
Establishing The Rolled-Back Rate, And Setting The Date, Time And Place Of A
Public Hearing To Consider The Proposed Millage Rate And Tentative Budget For
Fiscal Year 2006-2007.
Ms. Michelle Greco, Director, Finance Department presented this Agenda Item.
Tape 2/Side B
Discussion.
Commissioner Miller stated, "For the purposes of something that I think is really, critical
regarding Legacy Park and its impact on certain areas of the City, I feel that 'Traffic
Calming' is a critical item that needs to be addressed in this forthcoming Fiscal Year.
The estimate seems to be at one hundred, ninety thousand dollars ($190,000.00) which
would be about 1/l0th of a Mil, about one hundred, ninety-five thousand dollars
($195,000.00), so I would like to add in that to the existing number, which we are all
talking about which is - 4.7500 and if we added in 1/IOth of a Mil it would come to
4.8500 and that would keep in the discussion the item which I think is very important-
'Traffic Calming' is the result of Legacy Park coming in." Commission Miller then said,
"If we are going to set it at anything, that we set it at 4.8500 instead of 4.7500 and that
1/IOth of a Mil would be an item that I want to make sure doesn't get dropped off because
we didn't set the Mil rate high enough."
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Discussion.
Commissioner Gilmore suggested, "If we put in the Department request, plus the
Manager's that would be 4.448 and if we went with last year's rate of 4.750, this would
leave .302 for the Commissions' 'Wish list'." With further discussion on the revised
documentation, Commissioner Gilmore noted, "The bottom line is we could keep last
year's Millage Rate and still have .302 for the 'Wish list' items."
Furthermore, Commissioner Gilmore remarked, "I was a little concerned about seeing the
Bear Creek Boardwalk in this Budget, because - you know that is a safety issue. That
thing should have been done a long time ago."
Ms. Greco said, "Commissioner Miller was talking about Traffic Calming. I just wanted
to bring up that there currently is one hundred thousand dollars ($100,000.00) in the Road
Improvement Fund for Traffic Calming."
Commissioner McGinnis referenced the City Commission's 'Wish list'and said, "I don't
know how some things got taken out and some things are here - WiFi isn't here and that
was always the number one (1) 'Wish list'." Manager McLemore said, "WiFi will be
something that we will develop once we understand what it is we want to do. The only
thing we want to make sure we funded was the Study - I think we did that in this year's
Budget, or we will do it in this year's Budget anyhow."
Discussion.
Commissioner Krebs said, "I also want to be sure that - we have the room we need for
'Compression'..." Manager McLemore said, "...At 4.75 you have room to deal with all
those issues." Commissioner Krebs said, "I just want to make sure we take care of
'Compression' and if that doesn't handle it, then I guess we could always go back
through the Budget and slash that too."
Further discussion.
Mayor Bush said, "The Commission also is putting the 'Compression' issue at the top of
the list..." Commissioner McGinnis said, "... Yes.. . " Commissioner Krebs also stated,
"...Yes." Mayor Bush continued, "...To take care of that and of course, that is data we
don't have yet. We have the one percent (1%) and the Manager's Budget, but the
Commission asked for I believe for two (2) [percent] - I think we should look at 2, 2.5,
and 3. . ." Commissioner McGinnis said, "... I would like to look at it."
Discussion followed on the wording in the Trim (Truth in Millage) Notice.
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"MOTION TO TABLE."
SECONDED. DISCUSSION.
MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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ITEM WAS DISCUSSED NEXT AS DOCUMENTED, FOLLOWED BY THE
REST OF THE AGENDA. .:. .:.
INFORMATIONAL
INFORMATIONAL
507. Community Development Department - Urban Beautification Services
Division
ADD-ON
Updating The City Commission On The Status Of Warranty Replacement Of The
Diseased Magnolia Trees And Plant Material Located In The SR (State Road) 434
Village Walk Plaza Area.
Mr. Randy Stevenson, AS LA, Director, Community Development Department presented
this Agenda Item for discussion.
Commissioner Miller said, "The only thing you haven't mentioned is timing on this."
Mr. Stevenson said, "Commissioner Miller, I will have to get back with you. I don't
know the exact timing, but I know they met today. They were supposed to meet last
week. They did get out there and met on the site today. We can certainly monitor that
and bring back information to you."
With discussion, Commissioner Miller suggested, "If we can get the money from them,
let's just go ahead and put them in ourselves, in the next month, because the next thing
that is going to happen is people are going to tell me 'Well, now is not the right time to
plant them, because you really only plant them in the Spring'." Mr. Stevenson stated,
"We can monitor the progress and I'll get you an update on the timing."
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Mayor Bush said, "We agree it's a problem and I think Randy [Stevenson] needs to
contact the County Commission so we get a date on this and if it isn't a reasonable date;
matter of fact - send an email to the Commissioners, 'This is what they are saying' and if
that date does not seem reasonable then I think we need to talk to the County
Commissioners." Mr. Stevenson said, "As soon as I get a date, I will try to get one for
you tomorrow or the next day, I will email that out." Mayor Bush added, "Okay - stay
on top ofthis because it really looks bad." Mr. Stevenson stated, "Okay."
Deputy Mayor Blake said, "If the City takes over the project, then we are responsible for
the Warranty on it. Correct?" Mr. Stevenson noted, "That's correct." Deputy Mayor
Blake said, "I don't think we should do that. I think we should hold their feet to the fire
and get it done, but I don't want to pick up the responsibility of replacing it, the next
time." Mayor Bush said, "I think we would all agree with that. But, I also would agree
with Commissioner Miller that this needs to be done."
.:..:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING REGULAR AGENDA ITEM WAS
DISCUSSED NEXT AS DOCUMENTED. .:. .:.
REGULAR AGENDA
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302. Office Of The City Attorney
Requests The City Commission Consider And Approve Resolution 2006-36
Determining The Necessity And Public Purpose For The Hayes Road Intersection
Improvement Project And Determining The Necessity And Public Purpose For
Acquiring, By Eminent Domain, Fee Simple Ownership Of Designated Parcels Of
Real Property In Winter Springs, Florida. Further This Resolution Authorizes The
City Attorney's Office To Initiate Eminent Domain Proceedings To Acquire
Designated Parcels, And Providing For An Immediate Effective Date.
Attorney Garganese said, "This item is coming back to you after a City Commission
directive some time ago - this Resolution would authorize the initiation of Eminent
Domain proceedings to take property that is depicted on the Survey attached to the
Resolution, for purposes of constructing a right turn-lane on State Road 434 at the Hayes
Road intersection, heading eastbound. To date, they have not been successful to
negotiate the purchase of this. Initiating the Eminent Domain proceedings would
authorize my office to work with Staff to present a more formal offer to the Property
Owner, and if necessary, file the appropriate Petition in Court to quick take this property,
so the right turn-lane can be constructed."
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"MOTION TO APPROVE
COMMISSION McGINNIS.
DISCUSSION.
RESOLUTION 2006-36." MOTION BY
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
.:. .:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING REGULAR AGENDA ITEM WAS
AGAIN DISCUSSED AS DOCUMENTED, FOLLOWED BY THE REST OF THE
AGENDA. .:. .:.
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303. Office Of The City Manager
Requesting That The City Commission Approve Resolution No. 2006-37,
Computing The Proposed Millage Rate (Cap) For Fiscal Year 2006-2007 At 4.7500
Mills Or Some Other Rate The City Commission Deems More Appropriate,
Establishing The Rolled-Back Rate, And Setting The Date, Time And Place Of A
Public Hearing To Consider The Proposed Millage Rate And Tentative Budget For
Fiscal Year 2006-2007.
"MOTION TO REMOVE FROM TABLE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER
KREBS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Ms. Greco said, "Attachment 'D' in your packet shows - an example TRIM (Truth in
Millage) Notice and as you can see it separates the operating Millage from the Voted
Debt Service."
Discussion.
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"I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SET THE OPERATING MILLAGE RATE CAP
TENTATIVELY AT 4.2919 MILS AND THE VOTED DEBT MILLAGE RATE
AT .1100 MILS FOR A TOTAL MILLAGE OF 4.4019 WHICH REPRESENTS A
MILLAGE RATE OF - 9.5 PERCENT ABOVE THE ROLLED BACK RATE OF
3.9195." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE. SECONDED BY
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. DISCUSSION.
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE ADDED, "FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, THE
MOTION WAS TO SET THE TENTATIVE OPERATING MILLAGE RATE AT
4.2919 MILS - AND THE VOTED DEBT TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE AT
.1100 MILS FOR A TOTAL MILLAGE RATE TENTATIVELY OF 4.4019 MILS
WHICH REPRESENTS A 9.5 PERCENT INCREASE OVER THE ROLLED
BACK RATE OF 3.9195 OPERATING MILS." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR
BLAKE.
MANAGER McLEMORE SAID, "YOU CAN DEFINITELY DEAL WITH THE
'COMPRESSION' AND THESE OTHER ISSUES. IT MAY PUT YOU IN A
POSITION TO HAVING TO CUT SOME THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY
THERE IN THE MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION, AND IT MAY NOT."
VOTE:
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: NAY
COMMISSIONER MILLER: NAY
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
"I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION
2006-37 - WITH THE REVISED MILLAGE AS STATED IN THE PREVIOUS
MOTION." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE. SECONDED BY
COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Ms. Greco stated, "Did we want to discuss any future Workshop dates?" Mayor Bush
remarked, "We can do that under our Seats."
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301. Community Development Department
Requests The City Commission Consider The Final Engineering Plans And
Development Agreement For The Villa Grande Condominium Development. Villa
Grande Is Comprised Of 152 Condominium Units And Associated Infrastructure
On 4.78 Acres In The Town Center On The North Side OfSR (State Road) 434, Just
East Of The City Hall Building.
Mr. Stevenson presented this Agenda Item.
Tape 3/Side A
Discussion ensued with Staff.
Commissioner Gilmore said, "Where are the roadway entrances for vehicles?" Mr.
Stevenson responded, "The vehicles are limited to this entrance right here off what will
be Edge Drive and this is the main entrance to the parcel right here." Commissioner
Gilmore said, "With that high density that is in there, is that adequate for one (1)
entrance?" Mr. Stevenson said, "I have seen high density on other apartment complexes
primarily that have similar entrances." Commissioner Gilmore asked, "This right here, is
that for emergency vehicles?" Mr. Stevenson said, "That is a secondary emergency
egress. "
Further discussion.
Continuing, Commissioner Gilmore said, "When this came before us, we saw such a
beautiful rendition, it looked like a French street - where all the trees were in bloom and
everything else. Is it going to look that way at the end of the project?" Mr. Stevenson
said, "We have the Landscape Plan and it calls for those types of plant material."
Commissioner Gilmore said, "But not many of them."
Mr. Chad Oakley, LaCesse Development Corporation, 650 South Northlake Boulevard,
Suite 450, Altamonte Springs, Florida: stated, "Yes, to answer your question - we will
have it heavily landscaped and it will look as nice, if not nicer than what we originally
proposed. "
Commissioner Gilmore asked, "With all the flowering trees?" Mr. Oakley said, "Yes.
With palms and trees and we've worked with Staff in working on the overall - of the
buildings and the landscape plantings - you can see on your Plans, and the Landscape
Plans as well."
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Furthermore, Commissioner Gilmore said, "What are the flowering trees that will be in
there? What are they?" Mr. Oakley noted, "I wish I had my Landscape Architect with
me to answer all ofthose specifics as specimens go."
With further discussion, Commissioner Gilmore said, "I don't see many flowering trees
to depict what I saw in those pretty artistic renditions when this project was sold." Mr.
Oakley said, "The landscape itself is actually going to be comparable, if not better than
what we originally posed." Commissioner Gilmore then inquired, "Is it going to be
colorful?" Mr. Oakley said, "Yes. It will be colorful."
Mr. Oakley then said, "When we do our Aesthetic Review, you are going to see all of the
pictures, everything drawn to scale on the Aesthetic Review as far as the plantings go, as
the perimeter of the project, as far as our streetscapes elevations. You are going to see
that. Everything will be done to scale." Commissioner Gilmore said, "When we do our
Aesthetic Review?" Mr. Oakley said, "That's correct." Commissioner Gilmore then
remarked, "Then don't come back and say 'Well, that was covered under the Engineering
Review'. Because I am afraid that is what is going to happen."
Commissioner McGinnis said, "My main concern in the beginning was the look of a
gated community. You have taken care of that - You talk about building in two (2)
phases, this would be a two (2) phase project." Commissioner McGinnis then
commented, "You are not going to build it all at once, right, or are you?" Mr. Oakley
said, "We would like to. Sales permitting, we would like to do it all at once."
Commissioner McGinnis said, "What is your timeframe?" Mr. Oakley said, "As soon as
we get through Aesthetic Review, we'll roll through the plans and try to get through the
Building Department and - we actually just leased one (1) of the office spaces next door
to open up our sales and then really start going for it."
Discussion.
Commissioner Gilmore then inquired, "The one thing that really surprised me is why are
we putting Slash Pine in there? And Cabbage Palms?" Mr. Stevenson said, "I will
double check that for you Commissioner."
"MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS.
SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE. DISCUSSION.
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REGULAR
304. Community Development Department
Requests The City Commission Review The Attached Implementation Language
For A Citizen Awareness And Participation Plan (CAPP) And Provide Comments
Or Recommended Revisions And Also Provide Direction To Staff For
Implementation Of The CAPP (Citizen Awareness And Participation Plan)
Program, Including Incorporation Of The Proposed Language Into The City's Code
Of Ordinances.
Mr. Stevenson briefly began the introduction related to this Agenda Item.
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WERE DISCUSSED NEXT, IN THE ORDER DOCUMENTED. .:..:.
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306. Office Of Commissioner Sally McGinnis
Requests That The Applicant Of The West End Professional Offices Reconsider
Adding Something Architecturally To The Front Plaza Area.
Commissioner McGinnis remarked, "Following our approval for the West End
Professional Center, 1 did think about talking to the Applicant again and asking them to
please reconsider in adding an architectural enhancement in the form of perhaps
sculpture. 1 did talk to Paul Partyka about this. 1 just think it is an opportunity. All 1 am
asking is if they would consider it. 1 think it is an opportunity to have this building create
an identity - like no other in the City. We do not have any sculpture in the City."
Continuing, Commissioner McGinnis suggested, "I think in our community we could
probably find somebody who is willing - a beginning Sculptor, or an Artist - they are not
going to donate all the materials, but they might donate their talent. 1 would like for you
to look at it again."
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Mr. Carl Napolitano, Allen, Dyer, Doppelt, Milbrath & Gilchrist, P.A., 255 South
Orange Avenue, Suite 1401, Orlando, Florida: noted that he is one (1) of seven (7) of
the partners and stated, "It is estimated that a suitable budget for the purchase and
installation of an appropriate sculpture in keeping with the tastes and style of a Class A
professional office building will be about fifty thousand dollars ($50,000.00). The owner
asks the City to contribute fifty percent (50%) to the sculpture project with such a
contribution by the City, not to exceed twenty-five thousand dollars ($25,000.00).
Keeping in mind that varied tastes of individuals, especially with regard to art - it is
intended that the owners select the work of art in the form of a sculpture and have it
installed, or at least ordered by a date coinciding with the Certificate of Occupancy. The
Commissioners will have the right to timely approve the selected sculpture with approval
not being unreasonably withheld."
With further discussion, Commissioner McGinnis suggested, "Before we commit
ourselves to a real dollar figure, I would like to see some effort made to talk to our art
schools." Discussion.
Discussion.
Commissioner Miller said, "So, there is not going to be a fountain? There is not going to
be any art work? You asked the City to go in half with you right now." Mr. Napolitano
said, "That's on this proposal."
Commissioner McGinnis said, "I appreciate you coming tonight and gIVIng it
consideration." Mr. Napolitano said, "If you know of Artists that are interested, I'd be
more than happy to talk to them." Commissioner McGinnis said, "I will look into it. I
would be happy to do that."
Mayor Bush said, "No further action on this Item?" Commissioner McGinnis said, "No."
REGULAR
305. Office Of Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs
Requesting The City Commission Authorize The City Attorney To Write An
Ordinance To Protect Gopher Tortoises In The City Of Winter Springs, And To
Encourage Other Municipalities To Do The Same.
Commissioner Krebs first presented this Agenda Item and stated, "Attached to your item,
you will find a news article that was circulated - about the Gopher Tortoises that are now
on the list - that are threatened with extinction."
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Brief discussion followed about to an Ordinance from the City of Minneola, Florida.
There were technical difficulties on the remaining portion of this side of this audiotape.
Tape 3/Side B
Mayor Bush stated, "The Manager is recommending the Consultant - either in person
or on the phone." Commissioner Krebs noted, "lfwe are going to have a Consultant,
then 1 would suggest doing the least - costfactor, if that is what everybody agrees to."
Deputy Mayor Blake said, "1 am certain there is information that Staff can compile for
us and bring back and then we can decide after reviewing that information, what our
next step should be." With further discussion, Deputy Mayor Blake remarked, "Bring
us back your recommendation based on information that you are able to ascertain -
whatever it takes. "
Commissioner McGinnis remarked, "A phone call to the Attorney - 1 would like to
empower the City Manager to make that phone call. Find out what we can do, what we
can't do." Commissioner McGinnis noted, "That is my recommendation - 1 support
that. "
Mayor Bush said, "So the recommendation is that the Manager will - contact this
person, make it an available time and 1 think Commissioner Krebs needs to be
available for that." Commissioner Krebs said, "1 said 1 would be there." Regarding
the time, Mayor Bush said, "The Manager needs to coordinate that with you."
Commissioner Krebs said, "That is fine. "
Continuing, Mayor Bush remarked, "Do we have a Consensus on that?"
Commissioner McGinnis said, "Yes." Mayor Bush said, "Commissioner Miller?"
Commissioner Miller nodded in agreement. There were no objections noted.
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AGAIN DISCUSSED, AS NOTED. .:..:.
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REGULAR
304. Community Development Department
Requests The City Commission Review The Attached Implementation Language
For A Citizen Awareness And Participation Plan (CAPP) And Provide Comments
Or Recommended Revisions And Also Provide Direction To Staff For
Implementation Of The CAPP (Citizen Awareness And Participation Plan)
Program, Including Incorporation Of The Proposed Language Into The City's Code
Of Ordinances.
Mr. Stevenson introduced this Agenda Item and stated, "Staff recommends that you
approve the proposed implementation language or any revisions that you might like to
see - to this said language and direct Staff to incorporate this language into the City's
Code of Ordinances and in addition, we would ask that you give us some feedback and
information on the draft language that is contained in what we are calling the CAPP
(Citizen Awareness and Participation Plan) Handbook."
Commissioner McGinnis said, "This carne about because I saw this program in
Longwood and brought it to the Commission. Somewhere in this, I think we should give
credit to Longwood." Mr. Stevenson stated, "Absolutely." Commissioner McGinnis
said, "One thing I did not notice, when we talk about the 'Applicant must hold
community meetings' - they have to call a meeting, but we don't say that it should be as
close to the proposed project as possible." Mr. Stevenson commented, "So you'd like
language that the meeting would be scheduled in a location as close to the project as
possible?" Commissioner McGinnis said, "Yes." Commissioner McGinnis noted,
"There are some typos that I will talk to you privately about." Mr. Stevenson said,
"Found some of them."
Then, Commissioner McGinnis noted where it says, "It is important that all meeting
notices get to people early enough so they can make plans to attend your meeting - and it
says, Notices to meetings should reach invitees ten (10) to fourteen (14) days before the
meeting, I would suggest we would say, 'Notices of meetings must reach invitees ten (10)
to fourteen (14) days'. I think not 'Should', 'Must' - or 'Shall'." Mr. Stevenson said,
"We can make the language imperative."
Furthermore, Commissioner McGinnis then said, "In the very beginning under
'Attachment A', it is the second page, its - 6. c. It says, 'Other interested parties who
have requested to be placed on an interested party's notification list maintained by the
Community Development Department.' Well, how would people know about that?" Mr.
Stevenson resplied, "What we already have in place is - this primarily speaks to
Homeowner's Associations who want to be notified of anything happening in their area.
We have a number of those who already maintain a database." Commissioner McGinnis
pointed out, "That is mentioned in b. Then, c. says 'Other interested parties who have
requested' . .." Mr. Stevenson remarked, "... These would be outside of what we would
consider the public notification area."
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Commissioner McGinnis asked, "How do people even know about getting on that list?"
Mr. Stevenson said, "I would have to check on this, Commissioner. And if not, we can
certainly put it on our Website." Commissioner McGinnis said, "Okay."
Discussion.
Commissioner Gilmore said, "I question whether a 150 feet (150') or even 500 feet (500')
is adequate." Commissioner Gilmore added, "You need 1,015 feet." Mr. Stevenson said,
"We certainly have the ability again, we had said 150 to 500 feet (150-500') and we have
the ability to modify those requirements."
Further discussion.
Deputy Mayor Blake suggested, "We have a Website, we have a Newsletter. If we send
out in our quarterly Newsletter, a page that maybe is just a link that goes to the Website,
with this information that we get in our Consent Agenda every Meeting that shows the
current status of new projects coming to Winter Springs, frankly if people hear about it,
early on in the process, then they can make their calls; then they can call their Elected
Official, then they can get the real story behind what is really happening. They can be
informed, and they can get involved in the process that already exists for public input."
Discussion.
"I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DIRECT THE CITY
MANAGER TO PROVIDE FOR LARGE-SCALE DEVELOPMENT REQUEST
NOTIFICATION ON THE WEB SITE AND THROUGH THE QUARTERLY
NEWSLETTER AND THAT WE NOT FORM A CITIZEN AWARENESS AND
PARTICIPATION PLAN (CAPP)." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER MILLER SAID, "I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE
THAT STAFF BRINGS IT TO OUR ATTENTION IMMEDIATELY WHEN
THEY BECOME AWARE OF IT, OF ANY OF THESE ISSUES."
MR. STEVENSON NOTED, "THERE REALLY IS NO 'BOARD' ASSOCIATED
WITH THIS. THIS IS A PROCESS."
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: NAY
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: NAY
COMMISSIONER KREBS: NAY
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: NAY
MOTION DID NOT CARRY.
"I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE CAPP (CITIZEN
AWARENESS AND PARTICIPATION PLAN) PROGRAM WITH - EACH
PROJECT PROPOSED TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION - IF THE
DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEEMS THAT THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PROGRAM. THIS WOULD
BE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS.
MANAGER McLEMORE SAID, "WE WILL WORK IT OUT. WE WILL BRING
BACK SOME LANGUAGE ON THAT." COMMISSIONER McGINNIS SAID,
"BRING THAT BACK AS ANOTHER AGENDA [ITEM]." SECONDED BY
COMMISSIONER MILLER. DISCUSSION.
Tape 4/Side A
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: NAY
COMMISSIONER KREBS: NAY
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: NAY
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: NAY
MOTION DID NOT CARRY.
"MOTION TO EXTEND."
SECONDED. DISCUSSION.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KREBS.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: NAY
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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"I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE HAVE THE CITY
MANAGER BRING US BACK SOME WORDING ON HOW THIS SHOULD BE
IMPLEMENTED." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. SECONDED BY
COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: NAY
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REGULAR
307. Not Used.
REGULAR
308. Public Works Department
Providing The City Commission Information Regarding Transportation Strategies
Proposed To Monitor And Mitigate Traffic Impacts From The Legacy Park Mixed-
Use Project In Casselberry [Resolution 2006-42].
Mr. Brian Fields, P.E., City Engineer, Public Works Department spoke on this Agenda
Item
Discussion.
"MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE THREE (3) RECOMMENDATIONS AND
SEND THE RESOLUTION [2006-42] OVER TO CASSELBERRY AND LOOK
INTO THE OTHER TWO (2) ITEMS THAT - THE CONSULTANT
MENTIONED." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. MAYOR BUSH
STATED, "SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE." DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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REGULAR
309. Not Used.
REGULAR
310. Not Used.
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311. Office Of The City Clerk
Respectfully Requests That Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs Make An Appointment
To The Planning And Zoning BoardlLocal Planning Agency To Fill A Current
Vacancy.
"I HA VE AN APPOINTMENT FOR PLANNING AND ZONING - I WOULD
LIKE TO RECOMMEND DENISE RYSER FOR THE POSITION ON THIS
BOARD. I REALIZ SHE - WAS JUST APPOINTED TO ANOTHER - BUT
UNFORTUNAETLY - NED VOSKA CAN NO LONGER BE ON THE
[PLANNING AND ZONING BOARDILOCAL PLANNING AGENCY] BOARD."
FURTHERMORE, COMMISSIONER KREBS ADDED THAT MR. VOSKA HAD
RECENTL Y RESIGNED. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KREBS.
MAYOR BUSH NOTED, "MOTION IS TO APPOINT DENISE RYSER TO THE
P AND Z (PLANNING AND ZONING BOARDILOCAL PLANNING AGENCY)."
Deputy Mayor Blake Stated, "Point Of Order".
COMMISSIONER KREBS THEN NOTED, "SHE [DENISE RYSER] HASN'T
BEEN SWORN IN.'' SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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REGULAR
312. Community Development Department
ADD-ON
Requests That The City Commission Consider The New Owner's (Mr. M. Z.
Salarbux) Request To Renew/Extend The Final Engineering/Site Plan And
Development Agreement For The Venetian Village A.K.A. (As Known As) Village
Market Place Expansion.
Mr. Baker introduced this Agenda Item.
Mayor Bush passed the gavel to Deputy Mayor Blake.
Mayor Bush left the dais at 11:35 p.m.
"MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM '312'." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER
KREBS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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WERE NOT NECESSARILY DISCUSSED IN THE ORDER DOCUMENTED.
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CONSENT AGENDA
CONSENT
400. Parks and Recreation Department
Requesting The City Commission To Authorize The City Manager And City
Attorney To Execute The Florida Department Of Environmental Protection,
Florida Recreation Development Assistance Program Project Grant Agreement For
Trotwood Park.
Brief discussion ensued with Mr. Pula.
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CONSENT
401. Office Of The City Manager
Requesting That The City Commission Confirm The Consensus Of The City
Commission (As Discussed At The July 17, 2006 Workshop) Regarding The
Designation Of Mayor John F. Bush As Our "Voting Delegate", To Represent The
City Of Winter Springs At The Upcoming Florida League Of Cities Annual
Conference.
No discussion.
CONSENT
402. Public Works Department
Request Approval To Purchase Brick Pavers For The Blumberg Boulevardffown
Center Trail From Pavers Systems.
There was no discussion on this Agenda Item.
CONSENT
403. Public Works Department
Requests City Commission Authorization To Enter Into An Interlocal Agreement
With Seminole County Providing The Funding For Design And Construction Of
Sidewalks On Dyson Drive, Northern Way, And Shetland Avenue.
This Agenda Item was not discussed.
CONSENT
404. Public Works Department
Requests City Commission Authorization To Enter Into An Interlocal Agreement
With Seminole County Providing For Traffic Signal Maintenance.
No discussion.
CONSENT
405. Finance Department
Requesting Authorization From The City Commission To Extend The City's
Current Contract With Severn Trent Environmental Services, Inc. To Read City
Water Meters For The Contract Period August 1,2006 To July 31, 2007, Year 3 Of
A Possible 4 Year Contract.
There was no discussion on this Agenda Item.
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CONSENT
406. Office Of The City Clerk
Requesting Approval Of The July 10, 2006 Regular City Commission Meeting
Minutes.
This Agenda Item was not discussed.
"MOTION TO APPROVE" CONSENT AGENDA. MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER KREBS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER.
DISCUSSION.
Mayor Bush returned to the dais at 11:38 p.m. and the gavel was returned to him.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
INFORMA TIONAL AGENDA
INFORMATIONAL
500. Community Development Department
Advising The City Commission Of The Status Of Various Current Planning
Projects.
No discussion.
INFORMATIONAL
501. Office Of The City Manager
Responding To The City Commission Directive Regarding Staff Participation In
Leadership Seminole.
There was no discussion on this Agenda Item.
INFORMATIONAL
502. Community Development Department
Advising The City Commission Of The Current City Policy For Temporary
Structures/Canopies/Portable Carports.
Brief discussion.
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INFORMATIONAL
503. Information Services Department and Office Of The City Clerk
Wishes To Inform The City Commission Of Upcoming WebLink Document Search
Classes To Be Offered To Residents Of Winter Springs.
This Agenda Item was not discussed.
INFORMATIONAL
504. Public Works Department
Advising The City Commission Of The Status Of Various Capital Improvement
Projects.
No discussion.
INFORMATIONAL
505. Not Used.
INFORMATIONAL
506. Community Development Department
Advising The City Commission Of The Status Of The Use Of Temporary
Emergency Protective Roof Covers (Blue Tarps) As A Result Of The Hurricanes Of
2004.
With brief discussion on hardships, Commissioner McGinnis asked, "Is there any referral
service? Keep it in mind and let us know." Mr. Stevenson stated, "There may be, let me
check. "
INFORMATIONAL
507. Community Development Department - Urban Beautification Services
Division
ADD-ON
Updating The City Commission On The Status Of Warranty Replacement Of The
Diseased Magnolia Trees And Plant Material Located In The SR (State Road) 434
Village Walk Plaza Area.
This Agenda Item was discussed prior to the overall discussion on the Informational
Agenda.
"MOVE TO APPROVE" INFORMATIONAL AGENDA. MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE.
DISCUSSION.
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
.:. .:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING REPORTS WERE HEARD IN THE
ORDER DOCUMENTED. .:. .:.
REPORTS
REPORTS
600. Office Of The City Attorney - Anthony A. Garganese, Esquire
Mayor Bush asked Attorney Garganese about the status of the upcoming Binford Trial, to
which Attorney Garganese stated, "It is currently scheduled for the first week of August."
Attorney Garganese noted, "I am still working on the Cell Tower Ordinance. Hope to
finish that very soon."
Next, Attorney Garganese mentioned another issue - the Tuscawilla Homeowner's
Association's and the installation of two (2) flagpoles and remarked, "I probably need to
sit down and talk to him [City Manager]."
Mayor Bush further mentioned the upcoming Binford Trial and asked if Attorney
Garganese could confirm with him whether it was still scheduled.
Continuing, Attorney Garganese commented, "I would like the Commission to give me
the liberty to maybe put a little bit more diplomatic language in that Resolution you want
to send to Casselberry." Commissioner McGinnis stated, "Yes, 1 agree." Deputy Mayor
Blake noted, "Absolutely." No objections were voiced. Mayor Bush added, "That is
fine."
Furthermore, regarding the upcoming Binford Trial, Attorney Garganese said to Mayor
Bush, "I will get back with you tomorrow."
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REPORTS
602. Office Of The City Clerk - Andrea Lorenzo-Luaces, CMC
No Report.
REPORTS
603. Commission Seat Two/Deputy Mayor - Michael S. Blake
Deputy Mayor Blake spoke regarding tonight's Ranchlands lot split and suggested, "I
think that there is something that we can do that will still provide for lot splits where
they are appropriate but also protect the ultimate character of that neighborhood; and
I would like the Commission's support to direct Anthony fGarganeseJ, to bring back to
us an Ordinance as soon as possible, that will make a few minor adjustments in the
current lot split language, specifically, and this will require a little bit of math - my idea
is that a lot split request would be - allowable, if - each of the new lot sizes are of an
acreage that is greater than the average lot size, within a specified radius of the same
Zoning classification."
Continuing, Deputy Mayor Blake explained, "Let's say that there is a lot in the
Ranchlands that the Owner would like to split and the split means into two (2)."
Furthermore, Deputy Mayor Blake stated, "And that lot size is currently ten (10) acres
in size, it is a ten (10) acre lot. They would like to split it into two (2) different lots. If
you would draw from the center point of the lot, a radius of I think a 1,000 feet, and
look at all of the lots encompassed, that that 1,000 foot radius would touch upon, in
that same Zoning district, so in other words, if it is - a lot that is near the Ranchlands
and goes over into - Mt. Greenwood - where the lots are very, very small; they would
not be included in the calculation because they are in a different Zoning classification.
So, it would only include those lots that are in the same Zoning classification as the
Ranchlands. Add up all the acreage, divide it by the number of lots included, gives you
an average acreage.
Let's say that that number is three (3) acres. On average, lots within that radius are
three (3) acres, then that lot split could occur if it were to split that one (1) lot into a
seven (7) acre lot and a three (3) acre lot. It could not occur if they wanted to split it up
to an eight (8) acre lot and a two (2) acre lot because two(2) is below the average of
three (3) acres."
Discussion.
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Mayor Bush said to Attorney Garganese, "Would it make sense that we do with this,
what we did with the garage on Deer Run, where you basically post that there is a
pending Ordinance?" Attorney Garganese stated, "Yes. If that is the direction of the
Commission to move forward..." Mayor Bush then said, "...Commissioners, is that
something you are in agreement with?" Commissioner Krebs said, "Yes, 1 think we
need to preserve the character of the neighborhood." Commissioner McGinnis
remarked, "Good."
Commissioner Gilmore commented, "1 definitely think that we need to do something. 1
am not sure of the mathematics that Commissioner Blake used, is the right
mathematics, but we do need some." Commissioner Miller stated, "Yes, but 1 want to
clarify it because there was a time when you could only split the lot once - maybe we
need to go back to that again." Regarding previous lot splits, Commissioner Miller
added, "1 would like to get back to that if we could, the rationale for it and how we
could possibly do that again." Mayor Bush noted, "1 think we have Consensus on
that."
Next, Deputy Mayor Blake asked Attorney Garganese about personnel changes to his
Firm.
REPORTS
604. Commission Seat Three - Donald A. Gilmore
First, Commissioner Gilmore said, "I am glad to see this compatibility Ordinance IS
working. "
Secondly, Commissioner Gilmore asked Manager McLemore, "Name tags for the
employees - what has happened?" Manager McLemore said, "I am going to have to
update you at the next Meeting on that one."
REPORTS
605. Commission Seat Four - Sally McGinnis
Commissioner McGinnis remarked, "Congratulations to Bob Rucci and F.L.O.P (Friend
of Leash Optional Parks)" on their "Hogs and Hounds Charity Poker Run" event.
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Mr. Bob Rucci, 973 Turkey Hollow Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke of the "Hogs
and Hounds Charity Poker Run" which was held yesterday.
Commissioner McGinnis stated, "Looking forward to seeing pictures."
Next, Commissioner McGinnis spoke of the Dog Park, and asked Mayor Bush if he had
spoken to Chairman Henley of the Seminole County Board of County Commissioners
about the Dog Park? Mayor Bush stated, "It isn't going to happen at Jetta Point."
"I WOULD LIKE CHUCK [PULA] TO COME BACK WITH A REAL FIRM
RECOMMENTATION FOR THAT LAND - WITH A DOG PARK." MOTION
BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. MAYOR BUSH NOTED, "RELOCATE THE
DOG PARK." SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE MENTIONED, "WE ALL HAVE AGREED, I THINK
IN PRINCIPLE THAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO A DOG PARK. WE ARE
COMMITTED TO PROVIDING IT SOME PLACE."
COMMISSIONER KREBS SAID TO MR. PULA, "WHEN YOU FIRST TOOK
ME AROUND IN THE CITY, I BELIEVE YOU TOLD ME THERE WAS SOME -
PASSIVE AREA - A PASSIVE PARK BUT IT REALL Y WASN'T USED FOR
ANYTHING." COMMISSIONER KREBS NOTED, "IT WAS THE ONE (1)
PARK THAT WE DIDN'T VISIT, BUT YOU SAID AT THAT POINT THAT THE
NEIGHBORS DIDN'T WANT ANY KIND OF BASEBALL, ANYTHING GOING
ON THERE; OR THEY DIDN'T WANT LIGHTS."
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS SPOKE FOR RECORD AS TO WHETHER MR.
PULA HAD BEEN WORKING ON THIS.
FURTHER DISCUSSION.
"I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND - TO ADD WITHIN ONE (1) MONTH."
AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS.
MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
VOTE:
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: NAY
COMMISSIONER MILLER: NAY
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: NAY
MOTION DID NOT CARRY.
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Commissioner McGinnis stated, "I will be gIvmg three (3) documents to Andrea
[Lorenzo-Luaces, City Clerk] and 1 will ask that she give you copies. It is from the
Alliance." The documents related to child abuse statistics in the City. Commissioner
McGinnis added, "I just think you need to be aware of this."
Discussion ensued on scholarship money available for summer camp attendees.
REPORTS
606. Commission Seat Five - Joanne M. Krebs
Commissioner Krebs smoke of a School fund raising permit.
Commissioner Krebs said, "What 1 wanted us to do is if we do feel that the school
should, especially in fundraisers - put it in writing."
With discussion, Manager McLemore stated, "I recall as Commissioner Blake making the
Motion, and it went something like we were going to give the schools two (2) or three (3)
or four (4) permits a year free - they had to get the permit, but we gave it to them free;
and you instructed me to write a letter to that effect, and 1 wrote the letter."
Manager McLemore suggested, "We'll write you a Policy and bring it back."
Commissioner Krebs also thanked Mr. Bob Rucci for the "Hogs and Hounds Charity
Poker Run" event.
Next brought up by Commissioner Krebs was whether a Conference Calendar would be
helpful. Discussion.
Commissioner Krebs stated, "I was wondering if there was going to be a park event in
October?" Mr. Pula said, "I was going to bring it to you at your next Meeting as an
Agenda Item."
Continuing with the next item, Commissioner Krebs noted, "Oak Forest Lake - problems,
again. "
Next, Commissioner Krebs addressed Attorney Garganese regarding Social Security
numbers on Utility Bill documents, and asked, "Can we take it off at some point, and not
use it - not make that a Policy to use it, therefore not having to be in the position that we
would have to furnish it."
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Commissioner Krebs explained, "If the City said we are no longer going to collect or use
Social Security numbers, as identification, and - now I have been here since 1988 and of
course my Social Security number is on file, but because it is no longer the City's Policy,
can we not provide that information? Or because it existed at one time and was public
information...." Attorney Garganese said, "...1 can talk to you more about it."
Discussion.
Further discussion continued regarding collections, other types of personal identification,
and what Ms. Greco is using. Attorney Garganese stated, "I probably need to regroup
then with staff and the Manager on that."
Lastly, Commissioner Krebs mentioned that Smokey and Alice Louise Allen were
moving out of the City and asked if a "Key to the City" could be given to them? Mayor
Bush said, "I think that is a good idea. Andrea [Lorenzo-Luaces], a Resolution or put the
key on a plaque or something like we have done before, and then contact them and see
when they could come to a Meeting, so we can present it."
REPORTS
607. Office Of The Mayor - John F. Bush
Mayor Bush remarked, "I did talk with Chairman Henley this afternoon on the Jetta Point
and his feeling is that the County Commissioners do not want a Dog Park at that location.
The other thing too, I talked to him about the Therapy Pool, the money we were asking
there." Mayor Bush added, "I talked to Don Fisher and Don [Fisher] said he thought it
was on their upcoming Agenda for approval, but that he would call me tomorrow and tell
me for certain." Mayor Bush added, "As soon as I know something I will let the
Manager know." Regarding letting the City Commission know of the details, Mayor
Bush said, "I will let Andrea [Lorenzo-Luaces] know and the Manager know."
Next, Mayor Bush said, "August the 21st [2006] at 6:30 [p.m.], I have asked the
Workforce Housing people to come and make a presentation to the Commission." With
discussion, Mayor Bush said, "Would you look at your calendars and let me know as
soon as possible, if we need to reschedule that."
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· Planning And Zoning Board/Local Planning Agency
Mayor Bush said, "I have asked Shelley Lauten of myregion.org organization to come
make a presentation to not only the Commission, but the P and Z/LP A (Planning and
Zoning Board/Local Planning Agency) - they are getting ready to do the Comp Plan."
Additionally, Mayor Bush remarked about the recent Planning and Zoning Board/Local
Planning Agency Workshop and said, "About having some follow-up on that to get
together with them." Mayor Bush added, "It would be good to have this probably, since
we are getting ready to do the Comp[rehensive] Plan, why don't we talk to Eloise
[Sahlstrom] about that and see where this fits into the schedule? Everybody okay with
that?" No objections were noted. Mayor Bush added, "Okay."
REPORTS
608. Commission Seat One - Robert S. Miller
Commissioner Miller said, "I would suggest that all of us Commissioners get with the
City Manager sometime in the next month, regarding what it is that might be possible, or
not possible, on the Budget next year."
REPORTS
601. Office Of The City Manager - Ronald W. McLemore
Manager McLemore mentioned bringing a Development Agreement with the James
Doran Company on the next phase of the Town Center project to the City Commission.
Manager McLemore stated, "It will involve - the City's participation in that whole project
and those things which make it workable, financially. Additional parking is a big part of
that. So 1 am just making you aware that we will probably look at that at the next
Meeting."
.:..:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL REPORT WAS
HEARD NEXT, AS DOCUMENTED. .:. .:.
REPORTS
REPORTS
605. Commission Seat Four - Sally McGinnis
Commissioner McGinnis commented on sending out a letter to address issues related to
the Winter Springs Golf Course.
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With discussion, Manager McLemore suggested, "We could put it out in the Water
billings." Mayor Bush added, "Put it in the Water Bill Commissioner, in that cycle that
goes to the Highlands." Commissioner McGinnis remarked, "Okay." Mayor Bush then
asked, "Is that okay with everybody? Put it in the Water Bill, in the cycle that goes to the
Highlands people." Commissioner McGinnis commented, "Okay." Commissioner
Gilmore said, "Yes." No objections were noted.
Also related to the Winter Springs Golf Course, Manager McLemore spoke of water rates
and suggested that he could do an Agenda Item for further discussion.
Discussion.
ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Bush adjourned the Regular Meeting at 12:44 a.m.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED:
JOANL BROWN, DEPUTY CITY CLERK
J
ENZO-LUACES, CMC
APPROVED:
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NOTE: These Minutes were approved at the August 14,2006 Regular City Commission Meeting.