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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2001 08 02 Regular E Design Issue with James Doran Add On Agenda E August 2, 202001 Page 1 of2 COMMISSION AGENDA ADD-ON ITEM E CONSENT INFORMATIONAL PUBLIC HEARING REGULAR X 08/02/01 Meeting MGR. V /DEPT Authorization REQUEST: City Manager requesting the City Commission to review a status report on the Town Center, and to provide staff with direction the Commission deems appropriate regarding a design issue with James Doran relative to the proposed Publix. PURPOSE: This agenda item is needed to update the Commission on an issue with James Doran regarding the design of the Publix building and to receive any direction the Commission deems appropriate. CONSIDERATION: Due to the size and timing of construction of the Publix building, the design of the Publix building will in large part determine if the Town Center will reflect a real Neo-Traditional Town Center architecture, or if the Town Center will wind up a strip mall with window dressing. If this is to be a strip mall, the City did not need to spend the money it is spending for road, utility, and drainage improvements as an incentive to build the Town Center. The Marketplace would do this over time with no assistance from the City. Victor Dover and James Doran are at what appears to be an impasse over the Publix. Staff has attempted to find common ground. Attempts to date have been unsuccessful. (See Attached) Alternative 1. Allow Doran to move ahead with their current design. Alternative 2. Authorize the City Manager to advise Doran that the current design is not acceptable and must be amended to be more in line with our consultant's recommendation. Alternative 3. Set up a mediation team consisting of Victor Dover, James Doran's architect, city staff, and possibly one or two Commissioners. Alternative 4. Employ a third party neo-traditional architect to mediate and make recommendations to the Commission. The mediator would be paid Yz by Doran and Yz by the city. This could be done quickly and relatively inexpensively. Probably less than $5,000 per party FUNDING: No cost to city for Alternative 1,2, and 3. Alternate 4 could probably be done for less that $5,000 per party. RECOMMENDATION: Staff recommends Alternative 4. ATTACHMENTS: Victor Dover's e-mail of August 1,2001 COMMISSION ACTION: Jan Palladino From: Sent: To: Cc: Subject: Victor Dover [vdover@doverkohl.com] Wednesday, August 01, 2001 2:48 PM Charles Carrington Joe Kohl; James Dougherty; Ron McLemore Concepts for dealing with the dead side of Publix, facing SR 434 Importance: High Charles: We've been going back over all the alternatives we have suggested over the months for dealing with the problem of the blank supermarket wall facing SR 434. If the supermarket is built as currently proposed, both the community image and the functionality of the Town Center will be impaired. The lack of pedestrian activity on that side along the frontage road will be seriously detrimental to the Town Center concept. This would be true, whether it is a plain blank wall or a slicker, tarted-up blank wall. As you look over this long list, perhaps you can understand why I am frustrated. Again and again we've brought up legitimate ways of fixing that frontmost blank wall, to avoid having this crucial first phase of the Town Center look like the conventional strip shopping center Winter Springs does not want. Each time the applicants or the supermarket chain have refused to modify anything but surface decoration. REAL SOLUTIONS FOR THE BLANK WALL PROBLEM (recommended) 1. [GOOD] Attaching a newsstand or the like along the SR 434 side (so that it is not all display cases) (rejected by developer applicant) 2. [BETTER] Adding a liner building (probably with apartments upstairs), with stairs and entrances beyond an arcade (rejected by developer applicant) 3. [BEST] Multiple storefronts: actual windows into Publix (i.e. Kroger, Birmingham MI) (rejected by developer applicant) 4. [BEST] Positioning the supermarket in the midblock, so "normal" buildings surround 3 sides; would require smaller box) (rejected by developer applicant) 5. [BEST] Adding a full-quality, multistory, mixed-use liner building with storefronts along the ground floor (rejected by developer applicant) FACADE MANIPULATIONS (generally not recommended) 6. [ACCEPTABLE?] Reconfigure sidewalk/parking, install foundations & utilities for future liner building, paint the box. and wait for a future phase 7. [BAD] Deep display cases (detailed like bay windows? no cavity wall) (rejected by developer applicant) 1 8. [BAD] Deep display cases (cavity wall) (rejected by developer applicant) 9. [WORSE] Blind windows with superior-grade architectural treatment I embellishments, made to appear like real windows 10. [WORST] Shallow display cases (poster-depth) ALTERNATIVE I MULTIMEDIA SOLUTIONS (looking for solutions that the applicant has not already rejected) 11. [? IT DEPENDS] Mural(s) I public art I signage art I trompe l'oeil 12. [? IT DEPENDS] Something wild and unprecedented, like video-wall installations or... ? Charles, I am anxious to speak with you or Ron again about this. We can't in good conscience recommend or endorse any of the facade fakery or clunky add-on treatments that the applicants' consultants have proposed so far, since they will not truly activate the street side. I sensed that you and Ron were inclined to hold your ground and ready to let the applicants walk away, if they continue to refuse to fix this blank wall. Yet we can all tell that this project is within striking distance of something very special-- they are so close, if only they would be more creative with what should be the last big issue! If they just won't budge, with a heavy heart I could write a letter to the Commission recommending rejection of the applicants' plan and withdrawal of the special exception. What do you think? --Victor 2