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CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA
MINUTES
CITY COMMISSION
SPECIAL MEETING
OCTOBER 2, 2007
CALL TO ORDER
The Special Meeting of Tuesday, October 2, 2007 of the City Commission was called to
Order by Mayor John F. Bush at 6:30 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the
Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida
32708).
Roll Call:
Mayor John F. Bush, present
Deputy Mayor Sally McGinnis, present
Commissioner Robert S. Miller, present
Commissioner Rick Brown, present
Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore, present
Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs, present
City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, arrived at 6:31 p.m.
City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, present
The Pledge of Allegiance was held.
City Manager Ronald W McLemore arrived at 6: 31 p. m.
Under "Agenda Changes" Mayor Bush stated, Mayor Bush said, "Consent Agenda [Item]
on '201', I want to pull it off."
CONSENT AGENDA
CONSENT
200. Police Department
ADD-ON
Requesting Commission Approval Of An Emergency Expenditure In The Amount
Of $38,245.00 To Replace Two (2) Rooftop Air Conditioning Units.
Brief discussion followed with Chief of Police Daniel J. Kerr.
"MOTION TO APPROVE." MAYOR BUSH STATED, "MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER BROWN; COMMISSIONER McGINNIS SECONDED IT."
DISCUSSION.
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
.:. .:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING AGENDA ITEM WAS DISCUSSED
AND VOTED ON NEXT AS AN INDIVIDUAL ITEM, AS DOCUMENTED. .:..:.
CONSENT AGENDA
CONSENT
201. Office Of The Mayor
ADD-ON
Asking The City Commission To Review And Approve Resolution 2007-48 Related
To Supporting "Pet Rescue By Judy's" Petition For Selection By The ABC Network
Program "Extreme Makeover - Home Edition".
Mayor Bush read Resolution 2007-48 for those in attendance.
"MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs mentioned to Ms. Judy Sarullo ("Pet Rescue by Judy")
about a document received from John B. Webb & Associates, Inc. and stated, "Maybe we
can somehow send that letter to - you probably have an appointee that is receiving all of
this information." Commissioner Krebs then mentioned to Ms. Sarullo, "Perhaps you can
give that information to the Clerk."
Mr. Stephen Bacallao, 4300 Gabriella Lane West, Winter Park, Florida: thanked the
City Commission and Winter Springs for their support.
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"I MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE THE MANAGER RESEARCH ANY
AVAILABLE PROPERTY IN WINTER SPRINGS." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER KREBS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Mayor Bush said to Manager McLemore, "I would also maybe recommend that we talk
to Bart Phillips as well as A Budget Tree. They are both out there. They are both good
citizens of the City and maybe we can work something out with them too."
Discussion.
Ms. Angela Lambert, 7900 Dunstable Circle, Orlando, Florida: spoke about the
dedication of "Pet Rescue by Judy" Board Members and tharrked the City Commission
for their support.
REGULAR AGENDA
REGULAR
600. Office Of The City Manager
Requesting The City Commission To Consider Approval Of A Third Modification
Of The Settlement Agreement Between The City And The Tuscawilla Country Club
To Facilitate Proposed Development Of Parcel 7, And The Construction Of A 150
Foot Cell Tower And Related Conveyances Of Conservation Lands To The City.
Mayor Bush stated, "We need a Motion to remove from the Table?"
"SO MOVED." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN. MAYOR BUSH
STATED, "SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE." DISCUSSION.
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Regarding the Settlement Agreement, Manager McLemore said, "What we would need
you to do is review any parts of this you want to review with the City Attorney and
myself, and then act on the Agreement with any changes you might think are
appropriate. "
Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore asked, "Is the Agreement dated September 28th,
[2007] - is that the one we are looking at?" City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese said,
"That's the one you are looking at."
Attorney Garganese said, "I also passed out some very rudimentary colored documents
here - they are the Parcel 8 and Parcel 7 and - the color depicts basically what is stated
and language in the Agreement.
Under the Agreement, if you look at Parcel 8, that's the larger handout, it identifies the
area that will be placed in conservation within thirty (30) days of the effective date of this
Agreement. That area is identified in 'pink' and identified in 'yellow'; and the area that
is depicted in 'pink', of course they can continue using it for Golf Course purposes as
originally stated in the Settlement Agreement. That language doesn't change. In
addition, the shaded in areas that are depicted as wooded areas, would remain wooded
areas. And you will note that little square blue box in the middle is the Tower site. There
are two (2) appendages that are in 'yellow'. Those are additional conservation areas that
are outside of Parcel 8 that the Country Club property owners have voluntarily offered to
put into conservation areas. They are heavily wooded areas. And then there is a little
area in the southwest comer identified as 'PARCEL 8 REMAINDER'. That property
currently is not owned by the Country Club. They are currently leasing it."
Attorney Garganese then said, "In the event the current owners of the [Country] Club
acquire that property, then they agree to put that land in conservation as well."
Next, Attorney Garganese explained, "We are waiting for the Surveyors to complete the
Legal Descriptions. They have to modify this accordingly to basically reflect what - I
have color coded for you.
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The smaller Exhibit is Parcel 7 - that is where the condominium development will occur.
The area in 'orange' is the condominium property. That's where - up to sixty (60)
condominium units will be constructed. In addition, you have the area in 'pink'. That
land will be converted to 'Golf Property'. It will no longer be development property. It
will be 'Golf Property'. The tennis courts, the area that is more rectangular, that is where
the tennis courts, the swimming pool area and the other area in 'pink' is generally going
to be the floodway area, the creek area. That would go to the 'Golf Property' .
And all the brick wall requirement - for the condominium project is in the Agreement
along with the conditions, the prohibitions of short term transient rentals is in the
Agreement. In addition, the owners of the Country Club voluntarily agree to make a
contribution to the TLBD (Tuscawilla Lighting and Beautification District) in the amount
of twenty-five thousand dollars ($25,000.00) in addition to their Assessments that they
pay to the TLBD (Tuscawilla Lighting and Beautification District). That money will be
paid in two (2) installments of twelve thousand five hundred dollars ($12,500.00) the first
being due at the time that Final Engineering Plans for Parcel 7 are approved by the
Commission and then a year later, the other twelve thousand five hundred dollars
($12,500.00) will be paid. And again, that was voluntarily offered."
Brief discussion.
"MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER GILMORE STATED, "THE ENTIRE AREA IN 'RED' WILL
BE IN CONSERVATION. RIGHT?" ATTORNEY GARGANESE SAID, "YES."
COMMISSIONER GILMORE SAID, "WHO IS GOING TO CONTROL THAT
CONSERVATION - TELL US WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS."
ATTORNEY GARGANESE SAID, "THERE WILL BE A CONSERVATION
EASEMENT THAT IS GOING TO BE PREPARED AND RECORDED AGAINST
THE LAND. THE CITY WILL BE ONE OF THE HOLDERS OF THE
CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
IN ADDITION, THIS AGREEMENT GIVES THE CITY THE RIGHT TO ALSO
ASSIGN THAT TO SOME OTHER THIRD PARTY. NOW, UNRELATED TO
THIS, BUT SOMEWHAT THAT IS RELEVANT, I GAVE YOU AN OPINION
LETTER REGARDING THE WINTER SPRINGS GOLF COURSE AND UNDER
FLORIDA LAW, UNDER FLORIDA STATUTORY CONSERVATION
EASEMENTS, THERE ARE CERTAIN PARTIES THAT CAN ACTUALLY
HOLD THOSE EASEMENTS.
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THEY HAVE TO BE EITHER A GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY, A TRUST, OR A
CHARITABLE CORPORATION THAT IS ORGANIZED FOR
CONSERVATION PURPOSES. SO, THE CITY AT ITS DISCRETION CAN
ASSIGN THIS CONSERVATION EASEMENT TO THAT TYPE OF ENTITY."
COMMISSIONER GILMORE ASKED, "IS THERE ANYTHING THAT
PROHIBITS A FUTURE COMMISSION FROM RELIEVING THAT
CONSERVATION EASEMENT?"
ATTORNEY GARGANESE SAID, "I HAVE GIVEN YOU THAT OPINION
LETTER REGARDING WINTER SPRINGS GOLF COURSE, AND I WOULD
RECOMMEND THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND - ANALYZE
WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH WINTER SPRINGS GOLF COURSE. YOU
CAN DO THE SAME WITH RESPECT TO THIS EASEMENT AS WELL. YOU
CAN PUT ANOTHER PARTY - IN THE BATTER'S BOX, SO TO SPEAK,
PROTECTING THE CONSERVATION PURPOSES IN THE EASEMENT. YOU
CAN EVEN GRANT UNDER THE FLORIDA STATUTES TO SOME THIRD
PARTY, THE RIGHT TO ENFORCE THAT CONSERVATION EASEMENT AS
WELL." FURTHER COMMENTS WERE MADE.
COMMISSIONER GILMORE THEN ASKED, "THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF
PROPERTY IN THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT, LITERALLY THE
WHOLE DRIVING RANGE; A SIGNIFICANT PART OF NUMBER 1
FAIRWAY.
THE COUNTRY CLUB WILL STILL BE ALLOWED TO USE THAT
CONSERVATION EASEMENT FOR GOLF PURPOSES." ATTORNEY
GARGANESE SAID, "THAT IS CORRECT. THEY CAN USE IT FOR GOLF
AND COUNTRY CLUB PURPOSES." COMMISSIONER GILMORE SAID,
"THEY COULD MOVE THE NUMBER 1 - GREEN - HOLE ELSEWHERE IF
THEY WANTED TO UNDER THE EASEMENT. IS THAT CORRECT?"
ATTORNEY GARGANESE SAID, "THAT IS CORRECT." ATTORNEY
GARGANESE SAID, "IT HAS TO BE USED FOR GOLF COURSE PROPERTY."
DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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REGULAR
601. Office Of The City Manager
POSTPONED
Requesting The City Commission To Hear An Appeal From Mr. Lon Miller Of 1314
Deer Run Regarding An Improperly Issued Fence Permit.
(This Agenda Item Is Being Postponed To The October 22, 2007 Regular City
Commission Meeting At The Request Of The Applicant).
Manager McLemore said, "We recommend that this be delayed for another two (2) weeks
at the request of his Attorney. He has brought on Mr. [Michael D.] Jones as his Attorney
and he did request documents and time to prepare to present his Appeal."
"I MAKE A MOTION WE MOVE IT TO THE FIRST MEETING IN
NOVEMBER." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE. SECONDED BY
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REGULAR
602. Police Department - Code Enforcement Bureau
Requests The Commission Review Information And Provide Direction Regarding
Alternatives For Enforcement Of On-Street Parking In The City, And Allowing For
On-Street Parking On Certain Roadways Within The City.
Captain Glenn Tolleson, Police Department spoke on this Agenda Item.
Discussion.
Tape 1/Side B
Further discussion continued.
Mr. Brian Fields, P.E., City Engineer, Public Works Department addressed questions
from the City Commission.
Further discussion.
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Manager McLemore said to Captain Tolleson, "Were you recommending in these areas,
just blanket approval or were you recommending a permit type process?" Captain
Tolleson responded by saying, "We were not talking about a permit process as of yet, just
a blanket approvaL." Manager McLemore added, "...Just monitor it and see how it
works."
Manager McLemore then noted, "So, the answer was, it would be open parking for a
year?" Captain Tolleson said, "One (1) year, yes Sir." Manager McLemore then asked,
"Is there any validity to trying it a couple different ways in different neighborhoods?"
Captain Tolleson said, "Be happy to."
Continuing, Manager McLemore said, "Would you try a permit system in one (1) area
and just open parking in another?" Captain Tolleson said, "We could do that..."
Manager McLemore said, ".. . And see how the two (2) work." Captain Tolleson said,
"We could do that. I could design a permit that would..." Manager McLemore said,
"...It just might confuse people too." Captain Tolleson said, "It may, but if we can get
into these different neighborhoods - we can split it up and see how it works - would you
want that permit to be on a Fee basis or would it be on trial and error?" Manager
McLemore said, "Initially, I would assume it wouldn't be Fee basis, it just would be trial
for control purposes." Captain Tolleson said, "We could do that."
Tape 2/Side A
Discussion.
"I MAKE A MOTION THEN THAT WE APPROVE ON A CASE BY CASE
BASIS CITY-WIDE STREET PARKING - IF IT WILL FIT AND IT MEETS ALL
THE SAFETY STANDARDS AND ROAD STANDARDS AND THE ABILITY
FOR FIRE EQUIPMENT TO GET UP AND DOWN THE STREET - ON THOSE
AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE THERE IS CURBING." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER MILLER.
MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
"I MOVE THAT WE IMPLEMENT Alternative [#] 3 AS PROPOSED BY
CAPTAIN TOLLESON TO IMPLEMENT A ONE (1) YEAR PILOT PROGRAM
ALLOWING ON-STREET PARKING IN SELECTIVE SUBDIVISIONS ON A
TEMPORARY BASIS AND EVALUATE IT IN A YEAR. HE MENTIONED THE
NEIGHBORHOODS AS MT. GREENWOOD, OAK FOREST, AND NORTH
ORLANDO TERRACE - BASED ON YOUR DETERMINATION OF WHAT
ROADS CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR
McGINNIS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
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DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS SAID, "HAVE IT FOR THESE THREE (3)
COMMUNITIES ON A TRIAL BASIS AND IF ANYBODY WANTS TO
PETITION - WE HAVE HAD PETITIONERS COME IN BEFORE AND WE
HAVE GRANTED IT FOR COMMUNITIES WHO WANTED THAT ON-
STREET PARKING."
COMMISSIONER KREBS SAID, "I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION
TO INCLUDE ANY AREA OF THE CITY THAT - CAN ACCOMMODATE
THIS TYPE OF PARKING, MEANING THE STREETS." COMMISSIONER
KREBS ADDED, "I WOULD LIKE THIS MOTION - I WOULD LIKE TO
INCLUDE THE WHOLE CITY."
MAYOR BUSH SAID, "THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION IS REALLY
THE MOTION..." COMMISSIONER KREBS SAID, "...WHAT
COMMISSIONER MILLER HAD SAID, "YES."
MAYOR BUSH NOTED, "THE AMENDMENT IS THAT THIS WOULD MAKE
IT CITY-WIDE." COMMISSIONER KREBS SAID, "RIGHT." MAYOR BUSH
SAID, "WHICH WAS THE MOTION THAT DID NOT GET A SECOND."
COMMISSIONER KREBS SAID, "IT WAS FROM THE MOTION THAT DID
NOT GET A SECOND."
COMMISSIONER KREBS RESTATED HER MOTION BY SAYING, "I
WANTED TO AMEND THE MOTION TO MAKE IT CITY-WIDE SO THAT IT
WAS EQUITABLE." AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER
KREBS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER MILLER SAID, "THE AMENDMENT TO THE
AMENDMENT IS THAT EACH CASE MUST REQUEST A PERMIT AND
THAT THE PERMIT WOULD BE VALID FOR ONE (1) YEAR; THAT A TAG
WOULD BE ISSUED TO THE VEHICLE, THAT ONE (1) PARTICULAR
VEHICLE AND NOT OTHER VEHICLES AND THAT IT WOULD ONLY BE
FOR ONE (1) YEAR, FOR THE VEHICLE." AMENDMENT TO THE
AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER MILLER ADDED, "TWENTY -FIVE DOLLARS ($25.00) FOR
THE PERMIT IN THE MOTION." SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS.
DISCUSSION.
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MANAGER McLEMORE SAID, "I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THIS
MATTER BE TABLED. WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU."
"I MOTION THIS AGENDA ITEM BE TABLED AND BROUGHT BACK."
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER
MILLER. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER BROWN : AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
.:..:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING ISSUES WERE DISCUSSED NEXT,
AS DOCUMENTED. .:. .:.
Ms. Elsie Bledsoe, 180 East Panama Road, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke about her
property and requested a lot split.
Manager McLemore said, "It would have to be Agended for consideration. My question
is, have we not already considered this lot split?" Commissioner Krebs said, "We have;
and it was the reason - we came up with the - current Ordinance." Manager McLemore
then asked, "Does the Commission want an Agenda Item prepared on this or not?"
"MOTION TO DENY." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. SECONDED
BY DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
DEPUTYMAYORMcGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN : AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Mr. Jeff Morris, 725 Seneca Meadows Road, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke about on-
street parking.
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Mayor Bush mentioned an email from Ms. Elizabeth Westerman regarding the Taxation
and Budget Reform Committee meeting on October 4th, 2007, between 4:00 and 7:00
p.m.
Mayor Bush stated, "Also, on November the 12th, which is our - first Meeting in
November is a Holiday." Commissioner Rick Brown said, "The 13th [of November] we
have the Special Meeting on the Ranchlands Fence issue. Did we want to just
incorporate that into the General Meeting?" Mayor Bush said, "The 13th. Everybody in
agreement?"
City Clerk Andrea Lorenzo- Luaces asked, "The issue that you postponed to another date
with - Mr. Lon Miller, you want that handled on that date?" Mayor Bush said, "That
would be that day too - the 13th." Mayor Bush said, "Let's have a Motion to move this
meeting to the 13th?"
"SO MOVED." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN. MAYOR BUSH
STATED, "SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS." DISCUSSION.
MAYOR BUSH SAID, "THE MOTION IS THE MEETING WOULD BE THE 13th,
STARTING AT OUR REGULAR TIME WHICH WOULD BE 5:15 [P.M.]"
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: NAY
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Manager McLemore spoke of an unappropriated three hundred thousand dollars
($300,000.00) left in the Budget. Mayor Bush suggested, "Just make it an Agenda Item
for the second Meeting then in October."
Deputy Mayor McGinnis said, "I would also request that the parking issue not be brought
back if I am not here, on an Agenda." Mayor Bush asked, "When are you going to come
back?" Deputy Mayor McGinnis said, "The 16th," Mayor Bush asked, "Do you want to
do the parking issue then maybe at our second Meeting in November which would be the
26th?" Deputy Mayor McGinnis said, "If the City Manager would have something ready
by then." Manager McLemore said, "Certainly."
Brief comments were then made about a newspaper article related to the Black
Hammock.
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ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Bush adjourned the Special Meeting at 8:25 p.m.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED:
ANDREA LORENZO-LUACES, CMC
CITY CLERK
APPROVED:
MAYOR JOHN F. BUSH
NOTE: These Minutes were approved at the
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CALL TO ORDER
The Special Meeting of Tuesday, October 2, 2007 of the City Commission was called to
Order by Mayor John F. Bush at 6:30 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the
Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida
32708).
Roll Call:
Mayor John F. Bush, present
Deputy Mayor Sally McGinnis, present
Commissioner Robert S. Miller, present
Commissioner Rick Brown, present
Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore, present
Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs, present
City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, arrived at 6:31 p.m.
City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, present
The Pledge of Allegiance was held.
City Manager Ronald W McLemore arrived at 6: 31 p. m.
Under "Agenda Changes" Mayor Bush stated, Mayor Bush said, "Consent Agenda [Item]
on '201', I want to pull it off."
CONSENT AGENDA
CONSENT
200. Police Department
ADD-ON
Requesting Commission Approval Of An Emergency Expenditure In The Amount
Of $38,245.00 To Replace Two (2) Rooftop Air Conditioning Units.
Brief discussion followed with Chief of Police Daniel 1. Kerr.
"MOTION TO APPROVE." MAYOR BUSH STATED, "MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER BROWN; COMMISSIONER McGINNIS SECONDED IT."
DISCUSSION.
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
+:. .:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING AGENDA ITEM WAS DISCUSSED
AND VOTED ON NEXT AS AN INDIVIDUAL ITEM, AS DOCUMENTED. .:..:.
CONSENT AGENDA
CONSENT
201. Office Of The Mayor
ADD-ON
Asking The City Commission To Review And Approve Resolution 2007-48 Related
To Supporting "Pet Rescue By Judy's" Petition For Selection By The ABC Network
Program "Extreme Makeover - Home Edition".
Mayor Bush read Resolution 2007-48 for those in attendance.
"MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs mentioned to Ms. Judy Sarollo ("Pet Rescue by Judy")
about a document received from John B. Webb & Associates, Inc. and stated, "Maybe we
can somehow send that letter to - you probably have an appointee that is receiving all of
this information." Commissioner Krebs then mentioned to Ms. Sarollo, "Perhaps you can
give that information to the Clerk."
Mr. Stephen Bacallao, 4300 Gabriella Lane West, Winter Park, Florida: thanked the
City Commission and Winter Springs for their support.
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"I MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE THE MANAGER RESEARCH ANY
AVAILABLE PROPERTY IN WINTER SPRINGS." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER KREBS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN : AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Mayor Bush said to Manager McLemore, "I would also maybe recommend that we talk
to Bart Phillips as well as A Budget Tree. They are both out there. They are both good
citizens of the City and maybe we can work something out with them too."
Discussion.
Ms. Angela Lambert, 7900 Dunstable Circle, Orlando, Florida: spoke about the
dedication of "Pet Rescue by Judy" Board Members and thanked the City Commission
for their support.
REGULAR AGENDA
REGULAR
600. Office Of The City Manager
Requesting The City Commission To Consider Approval Of A Third Modification
Of The Settlement Agreement Between The City And The Tuscawilla Country Club
To Facilitate Proposed Development Of Parcel 7, And The Construction Of A 150
Foot Cell Tower And Related Conveyances Of Conservation Lands To The City.
Mayor Bush stated, "We need a Motion to remove from the Table?"
"SO MOVED." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN. MAYOR BUSH
STATED, "SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE." DISCUSSION.
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Regarding the Settlement Agreement, Manager McLemore said, "What we would need
you to do is review any parts of this you want to review with the City Attorney and
myself, and then act on the Agreement with any changes you might think are
appropriate. "
Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore asked, "Is the Agreement dated September 28th,
[2007] - is that the one we are looking at?" City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese said,
"That's the one you are looking at."
Attorney Garganese said, "I also passed out some very rudimentary colored documents
here - they are the Parcel 8 and Parcel 7 and - the color depicts basically what is stated
and language in the Agreement.
Under the Agreement, if you look at Parcel 8, that's the larger handout, it identifies the
area that will be placed in conservation within thirty (30) days of the effective date of this
Agreement. That area is identified in 'pink' and identified in 'yellow'; and the area that
is depicted in 'pink', of course they can continue using it for Golf Course purposes as
originally stated in the Settlement Agreement. That language doesn't change. In
addition, the shaded in areas that are depicted as wooded areas, would remain wooded
areas. And you will note that little square blue box in the middle is the Tower site. There
are two (2) appendages that are in 'yellow'. Those are additional conservation areas that
are outside of Parcel 8 that the Country Club property owners have voluntarily offered to
put into conservation areas. They are heavily wooded areas. And then there is a little
area in the southwest comer identified as 'PARCEL 8 REMAINDER'. That property
currently is not owned by the Country Club. They are currently leasing it."
Attorney Garganese then said, "In the event the current owners of the [Country] Club
acquire that property, then they agree to put that land in conservation as well."
Next, Attorney Garganese explained, "We are waiting for the Surveyors to complete the
Legal Descriptions. They have to modify this accordingly to basically reflect what - I
have color coded for you.
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The smaller Exhibit is Parcel 7 - that is where the condominium development will occur.
The area in 'orange' is the condominium property. That's where - up to sixty (60)
condominium units will be constructed. In addition, you have the area in 'pink'. That
land will be converted to 'Golf Property'. It will no longer be development property. It
will be 'Golf Property'. The tennis courts, the area that is more rectangular, that is where
the tennis courts, the swimming pool area and the other area in 'pink' is generally going
to be the floodway area, the creek area. That would go to the 'GolfProperty'.
And all the brick wall requirement - for the condominium project is in the Agreement
along with the conditions, the prohibitions of short term transient rentals is in the
Agreement. In addition, the owners of the Country Club voluntarily agree to make a
contribution to the TLBD (Tuscawilla Lighting and Beautification District) in the amount
of twenty-five thousand dollars ($25,000.00) in addition to their Assessments that they
pay to the TLBD (Tuscawilla Lighting and Beautification District). That money will be
paid in two (2) installments of twelve thousand five hundred dollars ($12,500.00) the first
being due at the time that Final Engineering Plans for Parcel 7 are approved by the
Commission and then a year later, the other twelve thousand five hundred dollars
($12,500.00) will be paid. And again, that was voluntarily offered."
Brief discussion.
"MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER GILMORE STATED, "THE ENTIRE AREA IN 'RED' WILL
BE IN CONSERVATION. RIGHT?" ATTORNEY GARGANESE SAID, "YES."
COMMISSIONER GILMORE SAID, "WHO IS GOING TO CONTROL THAT
CONSERVATION -TELL US WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS."
ATTORNEY GARGANESE SAID, "THERE WILL BE A CONSERVATION
EASEMENT THAT IS GOING TO BE PREPARED AND RECORDED AGAINST
THE LAND. THE CITY WILL BE ONE OF THE HOLDERS OF THE
CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
IN ADDITION, THIS AGREEMENT GIVES THE CITY THE RIGHT TO ALSO
ASSIGN THAT TO SOME OTHER THIRD PARTY. NOW, UNRELATED TO
THIS, BUT SOMEWHAT THAT IS RELEV ANT, I GAVE YOU AN OPINION
LETTER REGARDING THE WINTER SPRINGS GOLF COURSE AND UNDER
FLORIDA LAW, UNDER FLORIDA STATUTORY CONSERVATION
EASEMENTS, THERE ARE CERTAIN PARTIES THAT CAN ACTUALLY
HOLD THOSE EASEMENTS.
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THEY HAVE TO BE EITHER A GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY, A TRUST, OR A
CHARITABLE CORPORATION THAT IS ORGANIZED FOR
CONSERVATION PURPOSES. SO, THE CITY AT ITS DISCRETION CAN
ASSIGN THIS CONSERVATION EASEMENT TO THAT TYPE OF ENTITY."
COMMISSIONER GILMORE ASKED, "IS THERE ANYTHING THAT
PROHIBITS A FUTURE COMMISSION FROM RELIEVING THAT
CONSERVATION EASEMENT?"
ATTORNEY GARGANESE SAID, "I HAVE GIVEN YOU THAT OPINION
LETTER REGARDING WINTER SPRINGS GOLF COURSE, AND I WOULD
RECOMMEND THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND - ANALYZE
WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH WINTER SPRINGS GOLF COURSE. YOU
CAN DO THE SAME WITH RESPECT TO THIS EASEMENT AS WELL. YOU
CAN PUT ANOTHER PARTY - IN THE BATTER'S BOX, SO TO SPEAK,
PROTECTING THE CONSERVATION PURPOSES IN THE EASEMENT. YOU
CAN EVEN GRANT UNDER THE FLORIDA STATUTES TO SOME THIRD
PARTY, THE RIGHT TO ENFORCE THAT CONSERVATION EASEMENT AS
WELL." FURTHER COMMENTS WERE MADE.
COMMISSIONER GILMORE THEN ASKED, "THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF
PROPERTY IN THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT, LITERALLY THE
WHOLE DRIVING RANGE; A SIGNIFICANT P ART OF NUMBER 1
FAIRWAY.
THE COUNTRY CLUB WILL STILL BE ALLOWED TO USE THAT
CONSERVATION EASEMENT FOR GOLF PURPOSES." ATTORNEY
GARGANESE SAID, "THAT IS CORRECT. THEY CAN USE IT FOR GOLF
AND COUNTRY CLUB PURPOSES." COMMISSIONER GILMORE SAID,
"THEY COULD MOVE THE NUMBER 1 - GREEN - HOLE ELSEWHERE IF
THEY WANTED TO UNDER THE EASEMENT. IS THAT CORRECT?"
ATTORNEY GARGANESE SAID, "THAT IS CORRECT." ATTORNEY
GARGANESE SAID, "IT HAS TO BE USED FOR GOLF COURSE PROPERTY."
DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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REGULAR
601. Office Of The City Manager
POSTPONED
Requesting The City Commission To Hear An Appeal From Mr. Lon Miller Of 1314
Deer Run Regarding An Improperly Issued Fence Permit.
(I'his Agenda Item Is Being Postponed To The October 22, 2007 Regular City
Commission Meeting At The Request Of The Applicant).
Manager McLemore said, "We recommend that this be delayed for another two (2) weeks
at the request of his Attorney. He has brought on Mr. [Michael D.] Jones as his Attorney
and he did request documents and time to prepare to present his Appeal."
"I MAKE A MOTION WE MOVE IT TO THE FIRST MEETING IN
NOVEMBER." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE. SECONDED BY
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REGULAR
602. Police Department - Code Enforcement Bureau
Requests The Commission Review Information And Provide Direction Regarding
Alternatives For Enforcement Of On-Street Parking In The City, And Allowing For
On-Street Parking On Certain Roadways Within The City.
Captain Glenn Tolleson, Police Department spoke on this Agenda Item.
Discussion.
Tape liS ide B
Further discussion continued.
Mr. Brian Fields, P.E., City Engineer, Public Works Department addressed questions
from the City Commission.
Further discussion.
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Manager McLemore said to Captain Tolleson, "Were you recommending in these areas,
just blanket approval or were you recommending a permit type process?" Captain
Tolleson responded by saying, "We were not talking about a permit process as of yet, just
a blanket approvaL." Manager McLemore added, "... Just monitor it and see how it
works."
Manager McLemore then noted, "So, the answer was, it would be open parking for a
year?" Captain Tolleson said, "One (1) year, yes Sir." Manager McLemore then asked,
"Is there any validity to trying it a couple different ways in different neighborhoods?"
Captain Tolleson said, "Be happy to."
Continuing, Manager McLemore said, "Would you try a permit system in one (1) area
and just open parking in another?" Captain Tolleson said, "We could do that..."
Manager McLemore said, "...And see how the two (2) work." Captain Tolleson said,
"We could do that. I could design a permit that would..." Manager McLemore said,
"...It just might confuse people too." Captain Tolleson said, "It may, but if we can get
into these different neighborhoods - we can split it up and see how it works - would you
want that permit to be on a Fee basis or would it be on trial and error?" Manager
McLemore said, "Initially, I would assume it wouldn't be Fee basis, it just would be trial
for control purposes." Captain Tolleson said, "We could do that."
Tape 2/Side A
Discussion.
"I MAKE A MOTION THEN THAT WE APPROVE ON A CASE BY CASE
BASIS CITY-WIDE STREET PARKING - IF IT WILL FIT AND IT MEETS ALL
THE SAFETY STANDARDS AND ROAD STANDARDS AND THE ABILITY
FOR FIRE EQUIPMENT TO GET UP AND DOWN THE STREET - ON THOSE
AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE THERE IS CURBING." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER MILLER.
MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
"I MOVE THAT WE IMPLEMENT Alternative [#] 3 AS PROPOSED BY
CAPTAIN TOLLESON TO IMPLEMENT A ONE (1) YEAR PILOT PROGRAM
ALLOWING ON-STREET PARKING IN SELECTIVE SUBDIVISIONS ON A
TEMPORARY BASIS AND EVALUATE IT IN A YEAR. HE MENTIONED THE
NEIGHBORHOODS AS MT. GREENWOOD, OAK FOREST, AND NORTH
ORLANDO TERRACE - BASED ON YOUR DETERMINATION OF WHAT
ROADS CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR
McGINNIS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
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DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS SAID, "HAVE IT FOR THESE THREE (3)
COMMUNITIES ON A TRIAL BASIS AND IF ANYBODY WANTS TO
PETITION - WE HAVE HAD PETITIONERS COME IN BEFORE AND WE
HAVE GRANTED IT FOR COMMUNITIES WHO WANTED THAT ON-
STREET PARKING."
COMMISSIONER KREBS SAID, "I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION
TO INCLUDE ANY AREA OF THE CITY THAT - CAN ACCOMMODATE
THIS TYPE OF PARKING, MEANING THE STREETS." COMMISSIONER
KREBS ADDED, "I WOULD LIKE THIS MOTION - I WOULD LIKE TO
INCLUDE THE WHOLE CITY."
MAYOR BUSH SAID, "THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION IS REALLY
THE MOTION..." COMMISSIONER KREBS SAID, "...WHAT
COMMISSIONER MILLER HAD SAID, "YES."
MAYOR BUSH NOTED, "THE AMENDMENT IS THAT THIS WOULD MAKE
IT CITY-WIDE." COMMISSIONER KREBS SAID, "RIGHT." MAYOR BUSH
SAID, "WHICH WAS THE MOTION THAT DID NOT GET A SECOND."
COMMISSIONER KREBS SAID, "IT WAS FROM THE MOTION THAT DID
NOT GET A SECOND."
COMMISSIONER KREBS RESTATED HER MOTION BY SAYING, "I
WANTED TO AMEND THE MOTION TO MAKE IT CITY-WIDE SO THAT IT
WAS EQUITABLE." AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER
KREBS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER MILLER SAID, "THE AMENDMENT TO THE
AMENDMENT IS THAT EACH CASE MUST REQUEST A PERMIT AND
THAT THE PERMIT WOULD BE VALID FOR ONE (1) YEAR; THAT A TAG
WOULD BE ISSUED TO THE VEHICLE, THAT ONE (1) PARTICULAR
VEHICLE AND NOT OTHER VEHICLES AND THAT IT WOULD ONLY BE
FOR ONE (1) YEAR, FOR THE VEHICLE." AMENDMENT TO THE
AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER MILLER ADDED, "TWENTY-FIVE DOLLARS ($25.00) FOR
THE PERMIT IN THE MOTION." SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS.
DISCUSSION.
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MANAGER McLEMORE SAID, "I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THIS
MATTER BE TABLED. WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU."
"I MOTION THIS AGENDA ITEM BE TABLED AND BROUGHT BACK."
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER
MILLER. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
.:..:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING ISSUES WERE DISCUSSED NEXT,
AS DOCUMENTED. .:..:.
Ms. Elsie Bledsoe, 180 East Panama Road, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke about her
property and requested a lot split.
Manager McLemore said, "It would have to be Agended for consideration. My question
is, have we not already considered this lot split?" Commissioner Krebs said, "We have;
and it was the reason - we came up with the - current Ordinance." Manager McLemore
then asked, "Does the Commission want an Agenda Item prepared on this or not?"
"MOTION TO DENY." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. SECONDED
BY DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Mr. Jeff Morris, 725 Seneca Meadows Road, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke about on-
street parking.
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Mayor Bush mentioned an email from Ms. Elizabeth Westerman regarding the Taxation
and Budget Reform Committee meeting on October 4th, 2007, between 4:00 and 7:00
p.m.
Mayor Bush stated, "Also, on November the 12th, which is our - first Meeting in
November is a Holiday." Commissioner Rick Brown said, "The 13th [of November] we
have the Special Meeting on the Ranchlands Fence issue. Did we want to just
incorporate that into the General Meeting?" Mayor Bush said, "The 13th. Everybody in
agreement?"
City Clerk Andrea Lorenzo-Luaces asked, "The issue that you postponed to another date
with - Mr. Lon Miller, you want that handled on that date?" Mayor Bush said, "That
would be that day too - the 13 th." Mayor Bush said, "Let's have a Motion to move this
meeting to the 13 th?"
"SO MOVED." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN. MAYOR BUSH
STATED, "SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS." DISCUSSION.
MAYOR BUSH SAID, "THE MOTION IS THE MEETING WOULD BE THE 13th,
STARTING AT OUR REGULAR TIME WHICH WOULD BE 5:15 [P.M.]"
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: NAY
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Manager McLemore spoke of an unappropriated three hundred thousand dollars
($300,000.00) left in the Budget. Mayor Bush suggested, "Just make it an Agenda Item
for the second Meeting then in October."
Deputy Mayor McGinnis said, "I would also request that the parking issue not be brought
back if I am not here, on an Agenda." Mayor Bush asked, "When are you going to come
back?" Deputy Mayor McGinnis said, "The 16th." Mayor Bush asked, "Do you want to
do the parking issue then maybe at our second Meeting in November which would be the
26th?" Deputy Mayor McGinnis said, "If the City Manager would have something ready
by then." Manager McLemore said, "Certainly."
Brief comments were then made about a newspaper article related to the Black
Hammock.
ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Bush adjourned the Special Meeting at 8:25 p.m.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED:
A LORENZO-LUACES, CMC
CLERK
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NOTE: These Minutes were approved at the October 22,2007 Regular City Commission Meeting.
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CALL TO ORDER
The Special Meeting of Tuesday, October 2, 2007 of the City Commission was called to
Order by Mayor John F. Bush at 6:30 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the
Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida
32708).
Roll Call:
Mayor John F. Bush, present
Deputy Mayor Sally McGinnis, present
Commissioner Robert S. Miller, present
Commissioner Rick Brown, present
Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore, present
Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs, present
City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, arrived at 6:31 p.m.
City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, present
The Pledge of Allegiance was held.
City Manager Ronald W McLemore arrived at 6: 31 p. m.
Under "Agenda Changes" Mayor Bush stated, Mayor Bush said, "Consent Agenda [Item]
on '201', I want to pull it off."
CONSENT AGENDA
CONSENT
200. Police Department
ADD-ON
Requesting Commission Approval Of An Emergency Expenditure In The Amount
Of $38,245.00 To Replace Two (2) Rooftop Air Conditioning Units.
Brief discussion followed with Chief of Police Daniel 1. Kerr.
"MOTION TO APPROVE." MAYOR BUSH STATED, "MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER BROWN; COMMISSIONER McGINNIS SECONDED IT."
DISCUSSION.
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
+:. .:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING AGENDA ITEM WAS DISCUSSED
AND VOTED ON NEXT AS AN INDIVIDUAL ITEM, AS DOCUMENTED. .:..:.
CONSENT AGENDA
CONSENT
201. Office Of The Mayor
ADD-ON
Asking The City Commission To Review And Approve Resolution 2007-48 Related
To Supporting "Pet Rescue By Judy's" Petition For Selection By The ABC Network
Program "Extreme Makeover - Home Edition".
Mayor Bush read Resolution 2007-48 for those in attendance.
"MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs mentioned to Ms. Judy Sarollo ("Pet Rescue by Judy")
about a document received from John B. Webb & Associates, Inc. and stated, "Maybe we
can somehow send that letter to - you probably have an appointee that is receiving all of
this information." Commissioner Krebs then mentioned to Ms. Sarollo, "Perhaps you can
give that information to the Clerk."
Mr. Stephen Bacallao, 4300 Gabriella Lane West, Winter Park, Florida: thanked the
City Commission and Winter Springs for their support.
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"I MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE THE MANAGER RESEARCH ANY
AVAILABLE PROPERTY IN WINTER SPRINGS." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER KREBS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN : AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Mayor Bush said to Manager McLemore, "I would also maybe recommend that we talk
to Bart Phillips as well as A Budget Tree. They are both out there. They are both good
citizens of the City and maybe we can work something out with them too."
Discussion.
Ms. Angela Lambert, 7900 Dunstable Circle, Orlando, Florida: spoke about the
dedication of "Pet Rescue by Judy" Board Members and thanked the City Commission
for their support.
REGULAR AGENDA
REGULAR
600. Office Of The City Manager
Requesting The City Commission To Consider Approval Of A Third Modification
Of The Settlement Agreement Between The City And The Tuscawilla Country Club
To Facilitate Proposed Development Of Parcel 7, And The Construction Of A 150
Foot Cell Tower And Related Conveyances Of Conservation Lands To The City.
Mayor Bush stated, "We need a Motion to remove from the Table?"
"SO MOVED." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN. MAYOR BUSH
STATED, "SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE." DISCUSSION.
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Regarding the Settlement Agreement, Manager McLemore said, "What we would need
you to do is review any parts of this you want to review with the City Attorney and
myself, and then act on the Agreement with any changes you might think are
appropriate. "
Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore asked, "Is the Agreement dated September 28th,
[2007] - is that the one we are looking at?" City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese said,
"That's the one you are looking at."
Attorney Garganese said, "I also passed out some very rudimentary colored documents
here - they are the Parcel 8 and Parcel 7 and - the color depicts basically what is stated
and language in the Agreement.
Under the Agreement, if you look at Parcel 8, that's the larger handout, it identifies the
area that will be placed in conservation within thirty (30) days of the effective date of this
Agreement. That area is identified in 'pink' and identified in 'yellow'; and the area that
is depicted in 'pink', of course they can continue using it for Golf Course purposes as
originally stated in the Settlement Agreement. That language doesn't change. In
addition, the shaded in areas that are depicted as wooded areas, would remain wooded
areas. And you will note that little square blue box in the middle is the Tower site. There
are two (2) appendages that are in 'yellow'. Those are additional conservation areas that
are outside of Parcel 8 that the Country Club property owners have voluntarily offered to
put into conservation areas. They are heavily wooded areas. And then there is a little
area in the southwest comer identified as 'PARCEL 8 REMAINDER'. That property
currently is not owned by the Country Club. They are currently leasing it."
Attorney Garganese then said, "In the event the current owners of the [Country] Club
acquire that property, then they agree to put that land in conservation as well."
Next, Attorney Garganese explained, "We are waiting for the Surveyors to complete the
Legal Descriptions. They have to modify this accordingly to basically reflect what - I
have color coded for you.
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The smaller Exhibit is Parcel 7 - that is where the condominium development will occur.
The area in 'orange' is the condominium property. That's where - up to sixty (60)
condominium units will be constructed. In addition, you have the area in 'pink'. That
land will be converted to 'Golf Property'. It will no longer be development property. It
will be 'Golf Property'. The tennis courts, the area that is more rectangular, that is where
the tennis courts, the swimming pool area and the other area in 'pink' is generally going
to be the floodway area, the creek area. That would go to the 'GolfProperty'.
And all the brick wall requirement - for the condominium project is in the Agreement
along with the conditions, the prohibitions of short term transient rentals is in the
Agreement. In addition, the owners of the Country Club voluntarily agree to make a
contribution to the TLBD (Tuscawilla Lighting and Beautification District) in the amount
of twenty-five thousand dollars ($25,000.00) in addition to their Assessments that they
pay to the TLBD (Tuscawilla Lighting and Beautification District). That money will be
paid in two (2) installments of twelve thousand five hundred dollars ($12,500.00) the first
being due at the time that Final Engineering Plans for Parcel 7 are approved by the
Commission and then a year later, the other twelve thousand five hundred dollars
($12,500.00) will be paid. And again, that was voluntarily offered."
Brief discussion.
"MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER GILMORE STATED, "THE ENTIRE AREA IN 'RED' WILL
BE IN CONSERVATION. RIGHT?" ATTORNEY GARGANESE SAID, "YES."
COMMISSIONER GILMORE SAID, "WHO IS GOING TO CONTROL THAT
CONSERVATION -TELL US WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS."
ATTORNEY GARGANESE SAID, "THERE WILL BE A CONSERVATION
EASEMENT THAT IS GOING TO BE PREPARED AND RECORDED AGAINST
THE LAND. THE CITY WILL BE ONE OF THE HOLDERS OF THE
CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
IN ADDITION, THIS AGREEMENT GIVES THE CITY THE RIGHT TO ALSO
ASSIGN THAT TO SOME OTHER THIRD PARTY. NOW, UNRELATED TO
THIS, BUT SOMEWHAT THAT IS RELEV ANT, I GAVE YOU AN OPINION
LETTER REGARDING THE WINTER SPRINGS GOLF COURSE AND UNDER
FLORIDA LAW, UNDER FLORIDA STATUTORY CONSERVATION
EASEMENTS, THERE ARE CERTAIN PARTIES THAT CAN ACTUALLY
HOLD THOSE EASEMENTS.
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THEY HAVE TO BE EITHER A GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY, A TRUST, OR A
CHARITABLE CORPORATION THAT IS ORGANIZED FOR
CONSERVATION PURPOSES. SO, THE CITY AT ITS DISCRETION CAN
ASSIGN THIS CONSERVATION EASEMENT TO THAT TYPE OF ENTITY."
COMMISSIONER GILMORE ASKED, "IS THERE ANYTHING THAT
PROHIBITS A FUTURE COMMISSION FROM RELIEVING THAT
CONSERVATION EASEMENT?"
ATTORNEY GARGANESE SAID, "I HAVE GIVEN YOU THAT OPINION
LETTER REGARDING WINTER SPRINGS GOLF COURSE, AND I WOULD
RECOMMEND THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND - ANALYZE
WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH WINTER SPRINGS GOLF COURSE. YOU
CAN DO THE SAME WITH RESPECT TO THIS EASEMENT AS WELL. YOU
CAN PUT ANOTHER PARTY - IN THE BATTER'S BOX, SO TO SPEAK,
PROTECTING THE CONSERVATION PURPOSES IN THE EASEMENT. YOU
CAN EVEN GRANT UNDER THE FLORIDA STATUTES TO SOME THIRD
PARTY, THE RIGHT TO ENFORCE THAT CONSERVATION EASEMENT AS
WELL." FURTHER COMMENTS WERE MADE.
COMMISSIONER GILMORE THEN ASKED, "THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF
PROPERTY IN THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT, LITERALLY THE
WHOLE DRIVING RANGE; A SIGNIFICANT P ART OF NUMBER 1
FAIRWAY.
THE COUNTRY CLUB WILL STILL BE ALLOWED TO USE THAT
CONSERVATION EASEMENT FOR GOLF PURPOSES." ATTORNEY
GARGANESE SAID, "THAT IS CORRECT. THEY CAN USE IT FOR GOLF
AND COUNTRY CLUB PURPOSES." COMMISSIONER GILMORE SAID,
"THEY COULD MOVE THE NUMBER 1 - GREEN - HOLE ELSEWHERE IF
THEY WANTED TO UNDER THE EASEMENT. IS THAT CORRECT?"
ATTORNEY GARGANESE SAID, "THAT IS CORRECT." ATTORNEY
GARGANESE SAID, "IT HAS TO BE USED FOR GOLF COURSE PROPERTY."
DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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REGULAR
601. Office Of The City Manager
POSTPONED
Requesting The City Commission To Hear An Appeal From Mr. Lon Miller Of 1314
Deer Run Regarding An Improperly Issued Fence Permit.
(I'his Agenda Item Is Being Postponed To The October 22, 2007 Regular City
Commission Meeting At The Request Of The Applicant).
Manager McLemore said, "We recommend that this be delayed for another two (2) weeks
at the request of his Attorney. He has brought on Mr. [Michael D.] Jones as his Attorney
and he did request documents and time to prepare to present his Appeal."
"I MAKE A MOTION WE MOVE IT TO THE FIRST MEETING IN
NOVEMBER." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE. SECONDED BY
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REGULAR
602. Police Department - Code Enforcement Bureau
Requests The Commission Review Information And Provide Direction Regarding
Alternatives For Enforcement Of On-Street Parking In The City, And Allowing For
On-Street Parking On Certain Roadways Within The City.
Captain Glenn Tolleson, Police Department spoke on this Agenda Item.
Discussion.
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Further discussion continued.
Mr. Brian Fields, P.E., City Engineer, Public Works Department addressed questions
from the City Commission.
Further discussion.
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Manager McLemore said to Captain Tolleson, "Were you recommending in these areas,
just blanket approval or were you recommending a permit type process?" Captain
Tolleson responded by saying, "We were not talking about a permit process as of yet, just
a blanket approvaL." Manager McLemore added, "... Just monitor it and see how it
works."
Manager McLemore then noted, "So, the answer was, it would be open parking for a
year?" Captain Tolleson said, "One (1) year, yes Sir." Manager McLemore then asked,
"Is there any validity to trying it a couple different ways in different neighborhoods?"
Captain Tolleson said, "Be happy to."
Continuing, Manager McLemore said, "Would you try a permit system in one (1) area
and just open parking in another?" Captain Tolleson said, "We could do that..."
Manager McLemore said, "...And see how the two (2) work." Captain Tolleson said,
"We could do that. I could design a permit that would..." Manager McLemore said,
"...It just might confuse people too." Captain Tolleson said, "It may, but if we can get
into these different neighborhoods - we can split it up and see how it works - would you
want that permit to be on a Fee basis or would it be on trial and error?" Manager
McLemore said, "Initially, I would assume it wouldn't be Fee basis, it just would be trial
for control purposes." Captain Tolleson said, "We could do that."
Tape 2/Side A
Discussion.
"I MAKE A MOTION THEN THAT WE APPROVE ON A CASE BY CASE
BASIS CITY-WIDE STREET PARKING - IF IT WILL FIT AND IT MEETS ALL
THE SAFETY STANDARDS AND ROAD STANDARDS AND THE ABILITY
FOR FIRE EQUIPMENT TO GET UP AND DOWN THE STREET - ON THOSE
AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE THERE IS CURBING." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER MILLER.
MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
"I MOVE THAT WE IMPLEMENT Alternative [#] 3 AS PROPOSED BY
CAPTAIN TOLLESON TO IMPLEMENT A ONE (1) YEAR PILOT PROGRAM
ALLOWING ON-STREET PARKING IN SELECTIVE SUBDIVISIONS ON A
TEMPORARY BASIS AND EVALUATE IT IN A YEAR. HE MENTIONED THE
NEIGHBORHOODS AS MT. GREENWOOD, OAK FOREST, AND NORTH
ORLANDO TERRACE - BASED ON YOUR DETERMINATION OF WHAT
ROADS CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR
McGINNIS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
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DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS SAID, "HAVE IT FOR THESE THREE (3)
COMMUNITIES ON A TRIAL BASIS AND IF ANYBODY WANTS TO
PETITION - WE HAVE HAD PETITIONERS COME IN BEFORE AND WE
HAVE GRANTED IT FOR COMMUNITIES WHO WANTED THAT ON-
STREET PARKING."
COMMISSIONER KREBS SAID, "I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION
TO INCLUDE ANY AREA OF THE CITY THAT - CAN ACCOMMODATE
THIS TYPE OF PARKING, MEANING THE STREETS." COMMISSIONER
KREBS ADDED, "I WOULD LIKE THIS MOTION - I WOULD LIKE TO
INCLUDE THE WHOLE CITY."
MAYOR BUSH SAID, "THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION IS REALLY
THE MOTION..." COMMISSIONER KREBS SAID, "...WHAT
COMMISSIONER MILLER HAD SAID, "YES."
MAYOR BUSH NOTED, "THE AMENDMENT IS THAT THIS WOULD MAKE
IT CITY-WIDE." COMMISSIONER KREBS SAID, "RIGHT." MAYOR BUSH
SAID, "WHICH WAS THE MOTION THAT DID NOT GET A SECOND."
COMMISSIONER KREBS SAID, "IT WAS FROM THE MOTION THAT DID
NOT GET A SECOND."
COMMISSIONER KREBS RESTATED HER MOTION BY SAYING, "I
WANTED TO AMEND THE MOTION TO MAKE IT CITY-WIDE SO THAT IT
WAS EQUITABLE." AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER
KREBS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER MILLER SAID, "THE AMENDMENT TO THE
AMENDMENT IS THAT EACH CASE MUST REQUEST A PERMIT AND
THAT THE PERMIT WOULD BE VALID FOR ONE (1) YEAR; THAT A TAG
WOULD BE ISSUED TO THE VEHICLE, THAT ONE (1) PARTICULAR
VEHICLE AND NOT OTHER VEHICLES AND THAT IT WOULD ONLY BE
FOR ONE (1) YEAR, FOR THE VEHICLE." AMENDMENT TO THE
AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER MILLER ADDED, "TWENTY-FIVE DOLLARS ($25.00) FOR
THE PERMIT IN THE MOTION." SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS.
DISCUSSION.
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MANAGER McLEMORE SAID, "I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THIS
MATTER BE TABLED. WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU."
"I MOTION THIS AGENDA ITEM BE TABLED AND BROUGHT BACK."
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER
MILLER. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
.:..:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING ISSUES WERE DISCUSSED NEXT,
AS DOCUMENTED. .:..:.
Ms. Elsie Bledsoe, 180 East Panama Road, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke about her
property and requested a lot split.
Manager McLemore said, "It would have to be Agended for consideration. My question
is, have we not already considered this lot split?" Commissioner Krebs said, "We have;
and it was the reason - we came up with the - current Ordinance." Manager McLemore
then asked, "Does the Commission want an Agenda Item prepared on this or not?"
"MOTION TO DENY." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. SECONDED
BY DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Mr. Jeff Morris, 725 Seneca Meadows Road, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke about on-
street parking.
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Mayor Bush mentioned an email from Ms. Elizabeth Westerman regarding the Taxation
and Budget Reform Committee meeting on October 4th, 2007, between 4:00 and 7:00
p.m.
Mayor Bush stated, "Also, on November the 12th, which is our - first Meeting in
November is a Holiday." Commissioner Rick Brown said, "The 13th [of November] we
have the Special Meeting on the Ranchlands Fence issue. Did we want to just
incorporate that into the General Meeting?" Mayor Bush said, "The 13th. Everybody in
agreement?"
City Clerk Andrea Lorenzo-Luaces asked, "The issue that you postponed to another date
with - Mr. Lon Miller, you want that handled on that date?" Mayor Bush said, "That
would be that day too - the 13 th." Mayor Bush said, "Let's have a Motion to move this
meeting to the 13 th?"
"SO MOVED." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROWN. MAYOR BUSH
STATED, "SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS." DISCUSSION.
MAYOR BUSH SAID, "THE MOTION IS THE MEETING WOULD BE THE 13th,
STARTING AT OUR REGULAR TIME WHICH WOULD BE 5:15 [P.M.]"
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: NAY
DEPUTY MAYOR McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER BROWN: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Manager McLemore spoke of an unappropriated three hundred thousand dollars
($300,000.00) left in the Budget. Mayor Bush suggested, "Just make it an Agenda Item
for the second Meeting then in October."
Deputy Mayor McGinnis said, "I would also request that the parking issue not be brought
back if I am not here, on an Agenda." Mayor Bush asked, "When are you going to come
back?" Deputy Mayor McGinnis said, "The 16th." Mayor Bush asked, "Do you want to
do the parking issue then maybe at our second Meeting in November which would be the
26th?" Deputy Mayor McGinnis said, "If the City Manager would have something ready
by then." Manager McLemore said, "Certainly."
Brief comments were then made about a newspaper article related to the Black
Hammock.
ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Bush adjourned the Special Meeting at 8:25 p.m.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED:
A LORENZO-LUACES, CMC
CLERK
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NOTE: These Minutes were approved at the October 22,2007 Regular City Commission Meeting.