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HomeMy WebLinkAbout_2001 09 12 City Commission Special Minutes CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING SEPTEMBER 12, 2001 I. CALL TO ORDER The Special Meeting of Wednesday, September 12, 2001 of the City Commission was called to order by Mayor Paul P. Partyka at 9:01 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida 32708). ROLL CALL: Mayor Paul P. Partyka, present Deputy Mayor David W, McLeod, present Commissioner Robert S. Miller, present Commissioner Michael S, Blake, present Commissioner Edward Martinez, Jr., present Commissioner Cindy Gennell, present City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, present City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, absent Mayor Partyka asked for a moment of silence. The Pledge of Allegiance followed. II. AGENDA A. Office Of The City Manager Requests The City Commission To Discuss Outstanding Budget. Mr. Ronald W, McLemore, City Manager explained that tonight's Meeting would deal with "The remaining budget issues to try to - set a recommendation to bring forth to you at the next Meeting." Discussion followed on various insurance considerations. Ms, Flu.fjj; Bel/us, Bel/us Insurance Services: addressed the Commission on these issues. Deputy Mayor David W. McLeod advised Manager McLemore that "What I would have liked to have seen here was a comparison also of the insurance with the ratios that we're presently contributing - on our present policies, against the new policy." Manager McLemore stated, "My recommendation is to go to the 'HMO,' because I think that's the best level, that's a similar level of benefits except that you will not have the 'Out of network' option, But it is a very good, strong plan that's equal to what we have." Much discussion. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 12,2001 PAGE 2 OF 9 Deputy Mayor McLeod then said, "I would like to see some other numbers come back on this thing - I really believe you would be better off to have a policy that basically stated that you paid the employees and you paid for spouses - a certain percentage of theirs, You also do the same thing on family coverage - and you have the percentage the same. Therefore you then have a policy that you fix into what you're benefits are going to be," Discussion ensued on the 1999 numbers. Tape I/Side B Further discussion. Commissioner Edward Martinez, Jr. suggested, "If we can go a little bit over the employee contribution - and give them the benefit of - just a little bit of a donation towards the family coverage, I think we are going the extra mile - I think the employees will be happy." Manager McLemore advised the Commission, "I want the 'HMO Silver Plan.'" Commissioner Michael S. Blake added, "That's what you are recommending." Mayor Partyka clarified, "That's really what you want, the 'Florida Plan' - the 'Silver Plan' which was the previous one - the good one. And the only thing that is comparable is the - '#22' plan that's comparable. But it's a 42% increase, which is $213,000,00," Commissioner Blake stated, "Point of Order and explained that previously his comments were related to 'Doing the math. '" Commissioner Blake suggested, "The 'HMO #22' policy works." Commissioner Blake further spoke of benefits and said, "I think quality benefits are very, very important to what we do here." Commissioner Blake then stated, "What I had asked for were two simple things. I wanted to see the numbers based on getting back to the level of benefits that we had before October 2000 when the League unilaterally changed our level of benefits and as they are going to do again. Secondly, I wanted to see what it would cost us to have that level of benefits returned to the employees at the same costs that the employees were paying before that unilateral change. Now, I asked for that because I wanted to see the numbers. That wasn't necessarily a demand or even a recommendation on my part that we roll back all the way to that number and have the employees receive the benefits that they used to receive, at the costs that they used to receive it. But, I felt we needed to get to a starting point to find our what it would cost us to get there first, and then have this type of a meeting where we decide." With further comments on the previous numbers, Commissioner Blake added, "My personal feeling is I don't think we can go all the way back to '99 and give the employees the same level of coverage and the same premiums they had in '99." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING ~ SEPTEMBER 12,2001 PAGE30F9 Commissioner Robert S. Miller proposed that "We try and work on this 'HMO #22' that you are talking about here and whatever information the rest of the Commission needs, I think we should probably do that, at some future date. Commissioner Miller then stated, "My vote would be to go with your recommendation - 'HMO #22,'" Discussion. Tape 2/Side A Mayor Partyka called a break at 10:32 p. m. The Special Meeting was called back to order at 10:47 p.m. Brief discussion followed. "I MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE CHOOSE THE 'HUMANA HMO #22' AS OUR NEW INSURANCE PROVIDER - IT'S ACTUALLY NOT INSURANCE, IT'S A HEALTH AND MAINTENANCE ORGANIZATION." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLAKE. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ. DISCUSSION. VOTE: COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: AYE COMMISSIONER BLAKE: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD: AYE COMMISSIONER GENNELL: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Mayor Partyka stated, "The 'Humana #22' plan is the plan from a benefits standpoint, picked by this Commission, Okay. So, the next part of this is the amount of money that this City will provide." Discussion followed regarding related costs. "I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE 'HMO 2' IN THE FIRST COLUMN AT A COST OF $213,496.00." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GENNELL. DISCUSSION. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 12,2001 PAGE40F9 VOTE: DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD: NAY COMMISSIONER BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: AYE COMMISSIONER GENNELL: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Commissioner Blake then stated, "Point of Order" and spoke of extending the Meeting. "MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND THE MEETING THIRTY (30) MINUTES." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLAKE. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ. DISCUSSION. VOTE: COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD: AYE COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: AYE COMMISSIONER BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER GENNELL: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Manager McLemore stated, "We can offer to employees, a higher level of insurance - a 'PPO' or the 'POS,' if they're willing to pay for it." "MOTION TO APPROVE MANAGER'S REQUEST." COMMISSIONER BLAKE. SECONDED. DISCUSSION. MOTION BY VOTE: COMMISSIONER GENNELL: AYE COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: AYE COMMISSIONER BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Mayor Partyka then said, "I think this is a very, very good plan here, and I think this entire City and all of its employees ought to know how good this is, and you ought to as City Manager send some kind of notice through your heads or whatever - to say how good this is, in terms of what this Commission has done." Commissioner Blake added, "They need to know how much we're paying." Mayor Partyka added, "This is a selling tool for retention." Ms. Bellus added, "We do Meetings." Commissioner Blake added, "No, it has to be in writing." Commissioner Cindy Gennell also said, "In writing." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 12, 2001 PAGE50F9 The issue of Worker's Compensation was next discussed. Deputy Mayor McLeod said, "Can you mix in - self funding?" Manager McLemore replied, "I don't know." Deputy Mayor McLeod added, "As a government agency can you do it?" Commissioner Gennell stated, "Point of Order. " Deputy Mayor McLeod then said, "That is one thing you may look into. Another thing is with Humana, you also could go back to them and say, 'Listen, I need - a percent of this thing, or I am going somewhere else.'" Ms. Bellus said, "I'll ask." "I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE $51,700.00 INCREASE IN WORKMAN'S COMP." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GENNELL. SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD. DISCUSSION. VOTE: COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: AYE COMMISSIONER GENNELL: AYE DEPUTYMAYORMcLEOD: AYE COMMISSIONER BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Other Budget items were next discussed. "I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DO GO AHEAD AND PUT IN THE SALARIES AND BENEFITS FOR THE FOUR (4) NEW POLICE OFFICERS AND THE FOUR (4) 'CLIP PT' AT $194,200.00." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BLAKE. DISCUSSION. Chief of Police Daniel 1. Kerr addressed the Commission on his Department's staffing needs. "THAT WE APPROVE FOUR (4) NEW POLICE OFFICERS AND EQUIPMENT AND DISREGARD THE FOUR (4) PART TIMERS FOR NOW, AND CONSIDER IT IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET." AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GENNELL. DISCUSSION. FURTHER DISCUSSION FOLLOWED ON AREA AND NATIONAL RATIOS RELATED TO LAW ENFORCEMENT MATTERS. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 12,200] PAGE 6 OF 9 VOTE: (ON THE AMENDMENT) COMMISSIONER MILLER: NAY COMMISSIONER BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: AYE COMMISSIONER GENNELL: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD: NAY MOTION CARRIED. VOTE: (ON MOTION AS AMENDED) COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD: AYE COMMISSIONER BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER GENNELL: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Commissioner Gennell remarked about a "Budget Line Item called 'Community Improvement" from a few years ago. COMMISSIONER GENNELL THEN SAID, "I AM PROPOSING THAT WE PUT A LINE ITEM IN THIS BUDGET FOR $5,000.00 FOR COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT AND THAT WE MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO GROUPS COMING BEFORE US FOR REQUESTING DONATIONS FOR A MAXIMUM OF $500.00, PROVIDING IT IS MATCHED - THAT THEY COME IN AND ASK FOR A MATCH. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT. I AM MAKING A MOTION THAT WE PUT THAT IN THE CURRENT BUDGET." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GENNELL. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. DISCUSSION. Commissioner Blake stated, "Point of Order, The time for the Meeting has expired. We need a Motion to extend it. " "MOTION TO EXTEND FOR - ONE HALF HOUR." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ. DISCUSSION. VOTE: COMMISSIONER BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER GENNELL: AYE COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD: AYE MOTION CARRIED. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 12,2001 PAGE 7 OF 9 Discussion foIlowed on Commissioner Gennell's Motion and this concept. Commissioner Blake stated, "If it were to pass, I have a different issue and that is, we don't have any policy or procedure to determine how we could equitably distribute those dollars." Tape 2/Side B "I'D LIKE TO SEE THE CITY ST AFF PREPARE AN ITEM FOR THE COMMISSION'S REVIEW AND EVENTUAL APPROVAL THAT WOULD SET SOME POLICIES AS TO HOW THIS WOULD BE DONE - AND THAT IN THE MEANTIME, WE - I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THE SET ASIDE OF THE $5,000.00, BUT IT WOULD BE CONTINGENT ON US APPROVING A POLICY FIRST, AT SOME POINT - WHENEVER THE STAFF BRINGS IT BACK TO US AND ONCE WE AGREE ON THAT POLICY AND WE WOULD BEGIN TO ALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS." AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GENNELL. DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER MILLER ADDED, "STAFF CAN LOOK AT OTHER CITIES THAT DO THIS AND HOWEVER THEY WANT TO DO IT." VOTE: (ON THE AMENDMENT) COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: AYE COMMISSIONER GENNELL: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD: NAY MOTION CARRIED. VOTE: (ON THE MOTION AS AMENDED) COMMISSIONER GENNELL: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD: NAY COMMISSIONER BLAKE: NAY COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Commissioner Martinez stated, "I am requesting that you include in this budget, when it comes back to us the issue of transportation for the senior citizens of this City," Discussion. "WE STRIKE THE $32,000.00 FOR THE WALL AND SUBSTITUTE TRANSPORTATION FOR THE ELDERLY - OR WHATEVER THE APPROPRIATE VERBIAGE IS AND WE CAN DISCUSS THAT WHEN THE BUDGET COMES UP FOR ITS FINAL APPROVAL." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 12,2001 PAGE80F9 Commissioner Blake stated, "Point of Order, That Motion is actually two (2) independent decisions and I believe somewhere in our rules, that that is not a legal Motion. " With discussion, Commissioner Miller stated, "That Item was added on to the Workshop list of things by a consensus of this Commission, it was never voted on in a Commission Meeting, it was in a Workshop. Therefore, it is nothing more than a Line Item, which is just - numbers and words on a page, and there is no legal bearing until we approve the budget. What I am proposing is just - change the heading of that Item so that Staff can come back with some kind of a plan, proposal, input - whatever you want to call it by our final budget which would state - this is what might be possible under the circumstances for that Line Item which would reflect something for transportation - for the elderly. I think it's a legal Motion. And I think it's been seconded and I believe it will stand the legal test. We can have Mr. Garganese brings us back a legal opinion at our next Meeting, that probably would be the best way to do it, so that we don't waste time." Mayor Partyka said "Point of Order. I agree with your position. I believe it's not out of order. " SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ. DISCUSSION. "CALL THE QUESTION." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND. With further discussion, Commissioner Martinez added, "Lynx does not provide the kind of service that we are looking for." VOTE: COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: AYE COMMISSIONER GENNELL: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR McLEOD: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Deputy Mayor McLeod stated, "I would like to see some money put in the budget for the Building Department - in order for them to communicate better, I think with the customers they have out there, some Nextels - $3,000.00 to $4,000.00." Ms. Louise Frangoul, Finance Department Director and Manager McLemore commented on a $2,000.00 Line Item for this type ofItem. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS MINUTES CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING - SEPTEMBER 12,2001 PAGE 9 OF 9 III. ADJOURNMENT "I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLAKE. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. DISCUSSION. VOTE: COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ: AYE DEPUTYMAYORMcLEOD: AYE COMMISSIONER GENNELL: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Mayor Partyka adjourned the Meeting at 11 ;53 p.m. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED: O-LUACES, CMC '.... - /- NOTE: These minutes were approved at th~ep tember 24,,2001 Regular City Commission Meeting.