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I. CALL TO ORDER
The Workshop of April 24, 2000 of the City Commission was called to order by Mayor
Paul P. Partyka at 5:33 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the Municipal Building
(City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida 32708).
ROLL CALL:
Mayor Paul P. Partyka, present
Deputy Mayor Cindy Gennell, present
Commissioner Robert S. Miller, absent
Commissioner Michael S. Blake, arrived at 5:34 p.m.
Commissioner Edward Martinez, Jr., present
Commissioner David W. McLeod, present
City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, absent
Public WorkslUtility Department Director, Kipton D. Lockcuff, P.E. present
City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, arrived at 5:34 p.m.
Commissioner Michael S. Blake arrived at 5:34 p.m.
City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese arrived at 5:34 p.m.
Mayor Partyka stated, "Let the record show that Commissioner Blake is here also - at the
start of the meeting, and Anthony Garganese."
II. WORKSHOP AGENDA
Discussion Of General Issues Pertaining To The Various Agenda Items Scheduled
For The Regular Meeting Of April 24, 2000.
Mayor Partyka mentioned a letter that he had sent to the Commission regarding
streamlining and/or improving the meeting. Mayor Partyka suggested that the
Commission review this document, and that this be discussed at another Workshop or
Meeting.
.:. .:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING AGENDA ITEMS WERE
DISCUSSED IN THE ORDER AS DOCUMENTED. .:. .:.
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REGULAR
B. General Services Department
Requests That The City Commission Designate A Time And Date For A Workshop
To Evaluate And Discuss (A) Possible Changes To The Employee Pension Plan, And
(B) The Contents Of A Salary Survey/Compensation Study.
The consensus of the Commission was to hold this Workshop on Monday, May 15th,
2000, at 6:30 p.m. Deputy Mayor Cindy Gennell mentioned that she may be out of town,
on that date.
Discussion followed on what would be presented at this Workshop. Mr. Gene DeMarie
stated that "We have had the salary survey done. In fact, the final details are going to be
placed on it - are going to be worked out tomorrow morning, with Cody and Associates;
our last meeting on it, and he will have a final product (he told me) by either this coming
Friday, or next Monday - so that you will have it for review, a minimum of almost two
weeks before that Workshop. Plus, we have potential changes to the Pension Plan -
Employee Pension Plan that we are now finalizing. The Actuary is putting together the
final cost analysis of that, and we will be meeting with the Pension Board, next Tuesday
evening, and we will be putting information to you, after that Pension Board Meeting, so
that you can see what the considerations are."
Commissioner Edward Martinez, Jr. asked if it was possible to receive a document that
shows "What the salaries were five years ago, as compared to the present salary
schedule?" Commissioner Martinez added, "By departments - it's just for comparison
purposes, to see where we are coming from, where we are today, and where it is that we
want to go." Commissioner Martinez then stated, "A basic idea as to what the picture
was five years ago, and what it is today." Discussion. Mr. DeMarie said, "Salary cost,
by Department? Yes, we can do that."
Commissioner Blake stated that his preference was "To know where we stand
competitively, in the marketplace currently." And, "Not just where our ranges fall,
versus other communities out there, but where our employees fall, within the ranges."
Mr. DeMarie stated, "That's all part of the study." "That's what's called the 'Internal
Equity' issue, and he's addressing that. It's all going to be a part of the study."
Mr. DeMarie then said, "I will try to put something together for you, Mr. Martinez, but, a
lot of questions that you may have, will be incorporated in the study." Members of the
Commission asked that whatever information is provided, that it be "complete."
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
C. Community Development Department
Requests The Commission Consider A Third Reading Of Ordinance 707 Adopting
The Proposed Town Center District Boundary And Town Center District Code.
Deputy Mayor Gennell began this discussion by stating, "It says here, Third Reading -
and I could have sworn that we were passing it over for the Fourth Reading." Mayor
Partyka asked, "Is that correct?" Discussion then ensued on the advertising of this
Ordinance. Attorney Garganese stated, "It was advertised as an Adoption Hearing."
Attorney Garganese added, "It is a Fourth Reading."
Deputy Mayor Gennell then asked the following of the two Commissioners that attended
the Negotiations Meeting, held at City Hall, on March 30, 2000 - "In Schrimsher's
agreement, where they are referencing the parks, the four little parks - It says 'those
parks will include all of the right-of-way, around those parks. ", Deputy Mayor Gennell
inquired whether that was "Part of your deliberations with Schrimsher at that weekday
meeting?"
Commissioner David W. McLeod stated that right-of-ways were brought up, "Only on
one particular area, and that particular area was the area, right there, shown as
seventeen." Commissioner McLeod added, "That was Edge Drive where the Trail was to
come up and come along that greenbelt."
Commissioner Blake said, "I almost concur with Commissioner McLeod. I do recall a
discussion of right-of-ways also around #5, park #5. And in there, I believe there is
specific discussion that it would not include right-of-way." Commissioner Blake then
asked Attorney Garganese, "When it says all of the right-of-way, does that mean all of
the right-of-way available, up to and including across the street - is counted as park
acreage? Or the sidewalk area that is typical of frontage along a big parcel?"
Attorney Garganese replied, "If you refer to Exhibit 'A,' Park #1, #2, and #4 show either
right-of-way or sidewalks, within the boundaries of the Small Neighborhood Parks.
When the acreages were calculated some time ago, the acreages included the right-of-
way, or the sidewalks." Discussion ensued on how it might affect residences.
Deputy Mayor Gennell said, "If we can ask Staff - how this got to be here?" Mr. Kipton
D. Lockcuff, P.E. Public WorkslUtility Department Director stated, "When we initially
did the acreage, we did include the roads. So, the size of the parks - the actual green
space as designated by Victor hasn't changed; but, when you look at the acreage and the
tract sizes, you know, that's something we came up with - us and Terry." Deputy Mayor
Gennell then elaborated, "On page 6 of 21, that very specifically says, 'It's outlined on
the previous page, the minimum acreage which - as I recall those figures - .44, .42, .44,
.45' - are they not the ones that we discussed at our last meeting?" "The next sentence is
'These minimum acreages include all right-of-way around a perimeter,' so that means
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you're just shrinking it all down; that they are including in that full amount - that we
thought we were getting a .44 park - we're getting a .20 park."
Mr. Lockcuff elaborated, "But the .20 park is what Victor's original map represented. It
wasn't a .44, so we expanded it to .44 by including the roadways; so the actual size of the
parks represented on the maps have not changed. It's just that the black box - what does
that black box around that acreage represent? The answer - it represents the roadways
and the green space." Discussion. Mr. Lockcuff added, "The size of the boxes hasn't
changed, and I think that's the clarification here."
Commissioner Blake left the dais at 5:54 p.m.
Commissioner Martinez said, "When we discussed this at the last meeting here, on the
10t\ it was supposed to be - the dimensions were supposed to be at the bottom of page 5,
and all those dimensions were supposed to be green space. Suddenly, we find that those
dimensions now - are not all green space."
Commissioner Blake returned to the dais at 5:55 p.m.
Attorney Garganese pointed out that "The roads that are depicted on Exhibit 'A,' may not
come to fruition when a development permit is issued. There is a radius test; some of
those parks could move up to 250 feet, and may not include the surrounding roadways."
Deputy Mayor Gennell asked what the exact size of park #2 would be - in actual footage
- for the green space. Discussion ensued on future negotiations with landowners.
Commissioner Martinez stated, "The language has to concur with what was agreed upon,
on April 1 ot\ and that was that .44 would be green space."
Attorney Garganese mentioned that "The language is just a clarification of an exhibit that
we've all been going by, for a couple of months."
Commissioner McLeod asked about information being provided on exhibits, such as tract
size, tract locations, and names of parks.
Deputy Mayor Gennell asked Mr. Micky Grindstaff, Attorney for Schrimsher Properties,
about the size of parks and right-of-ways.
Mr. Micky Grindstaff, 20 North Orange Avenue, Suite 1001, Orlando, Florida: said, "If
you'll notice - those roads around the park, they are single lane roads, they are not the
double-wide roads. And if you put a scale to it, in the beginning, when these things came
out, in the very beginning, as to the size of the parks - if you put a scale to it around the
park, as well as around the single lane roads that go around the perimeter of the park,
that's how those acreage numbers come up." Mr. Grindstaff added that according to
Victor Dover, "That little green park area, together with the open space, that's surrounded
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in the form of single-loaded roads, is what creates this sense of field, and this sense of
place, and location and the square little community park."
Mr. Grindstaff then stated, "We have, among ourselves, specifically discussed that and
came to grips with the scale, and that the scale included the roads - and we discussed it
with - I think it was Kip, and with Dover. And, that was what it was intended to do."
Deputy Mayor Gennell mentioned that, "I specifically pointed out that I thought we
needed still - a provision for a buffer or wall between a residential and commercial."
Deputy Mayor Gennell added that this was not addressed, under Item 12, on page 11 of
the agreement. Discussion followed about waivers, and that "Dumpster enclosures
should be shielded," but that open space was very desirable. Mayor Partyka added that
according to his notes, "That language is exactly what we've agreed to, subject to the
new 'Wall' Ordinance." Deputy Mayor Gennell added, "The new 'Wall' Ordinance sets
forth in there that you can get a waiver in the Town Center." Further discussion on
intensity uses in the Town Center, and the new "Wall" Ordinance.
CONSENT
A. City Clerk's Office
Approval Of The Minutes Of The Regular Meeting Of April 10, 2000.
Commissioner Martinez stated that on page 19 of the April 10, 2000 City Commission
Regular Minutes, that the time that Commissioner Miller left the dais was at 2:28 a.m.,
and not 2:28 p.m.; and again when he returned, it was at 2:32 a.m., and not 2:32 p.m.; and
these times should be corrected.
Mayor Partyka advised the Commission that he would like to use the Mayoral Fund to
purchase casual (polo type) shirts for members of the Commission, and City Manager
Ronald W. McLemore. Mayor Partyka asked that sizes be given to the City Clerk. The
consensus of the Commission was to also include names on these shirts.
Mayor Partyka also mentioned that on behalf of the Commission, he had sent a letter of
sympathy to the family of Commissioner A.A. "Mac" McClanahan of Sanford.
III. ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Partyka adjourned the Workshop at6:30 p.m.
Respectfully Submitted By: Andrea Lorenzo-Luaces "
City Clerk