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HomeMy WebLinkAbout_1996 12 09 City Commission Workshop Minutes WORKSHOP MEETING CITY COMMISSION DECEMBER 9, 1996 The Workshop Meeting of the City Commission was called to order by Mayor Paul P. Partyka at 5:00 p.m. ROLL CALL: Mayor Paul P. Partyka, present City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, present COMMISSIONERS: Larry Conniff, present Michael Blake, present John Langellotti, present Cindy Gennell, present David McLeod, present Community Development Division A. Requests the Commission review with Staff and the consultant the draft Design Guidelines for the "Town Center" and the "New Development Area" of the State Road 434 Corridor Visioning Project: Mayor Partyka said the purpose ofthis workshop is to review with the Commission the draft design guidelines for the New Development Area developed by the City Staff, the consultant, and property owners along S.R 434; as well as to review the draft design guideline for the Town Center. Mayor Partyka said there will be a lot of considerations that will be talked about. Tom Grimms, Community Development Coordinator, gave his presentation. Mr. Grimms stated that this project had it's inception around the end of 1994, when the Commission decided that there was an opportunity to develop S.R 434 along the lines that they would like to see instead of what has occurred from 17-92 to Hayes Road. There will be separate design guidelines for the redevelopment area (17-92 to Hayes Road), the town center (from Wagner's curve to Tuscawilla Road, northward to form along the old RR tracks; there has been some discussion on Staffs part that perhaps that should be expanded to include maybe the west side of Tuskawilla Rd. and include Central Winds Park and the Winter Springs High School area) and the new development area. Mr. Grimms stated that the committee that was composed of the City Manager, City Staff, the consultant for some ofthe property owners, and the City consultant Mike Wadley; what has resulted from the committee is what is before the Commission now. The draft is centering that this time on the Town Center and the New Development Area. Mr. Grimms said the City Manager has formed a committee and there wi II be a meeting on 12-10-96 and they will be talking about the redevelopment area. This committee is composed of property owners and business people in that area to help guide and advise Staff and with the consultant on what they would like to see for design guidelines for that area. Mr. Grimms said the meeting for 12-10-96 will be at 7:00 p.m. and is open to the public, the meeting will be basically an organizational meeting; the committee will not get into a lot of substantive issues Workshop Meeting City Commission December 9,1996 Page 2 to study certain aspects of the guidelines and so forth, it will be more orginazational and informational in terms of where we are at and so forth. Mike Wadley, consultant, of Berryman and Henniger, gave his presentation. Mr. Wadley stated that the Planning & Zoning Bd., has reviewed the draft and has provided input and comments and they are reflected in the draft. Mr. Grimms stated that the changes from P & Z are indicated in shadings as additions, and strike-throughs as deletions; Mr. Grimms noted that in the front of each section of the three different design guidelines has a vision statement, goals, objectives and policies; there's will be incorporated later into the Comprehensive Plan. Mr. Wadley said the first document developed was the new development area, and stated that the citizens and property owners put in a lot of work on that portion. The Town Center design standards were taken from the new development area guidelines as the basis; so changes and deletions and additions were made appropriately. Mr. Wadley explained that there is a "school of thought" in a Town Center (this is a newly evolved planning theory) that you should place buildings, in a downtown type setting as close to the road as you can. Mr. Wadley said in looking at the new development area, the committee and others felt it appropriate to have buildings set back 50 feet from S.R. 434. In the Town Center, if you wanted to achieve a different look/appearance, one way to do that would allow buildings to be spaced closer to S.R. 434, to give it more of an urban feel, a higher density type feel. Discussion on the building set backs. Mr. Wadley stated that he is one thing that the committee is proposing is to have a 15 foot landscape buffer that would be required. Mr. Wadley said to achieve the Town Center, he thinks what might be appropriate is using some type of traditional type light fixture and street trees along the right-of-way. Discussion. Mr. Grimms explained the location of the Town Center. Mr. Wadley stated that the one thing that probably is an issue in the New Development area is billboards, the issue becomes is do you prohibit any new billboards or do you say no billboards and have to get rid of existing billboards. (3-4 existing). Commissioner Gennell asked why the intersection of Tuskawilla Rd. and S.R. 434 was not included in the Town Center. Mr. Grimms said that was discussed with the Committee and the recommendation from the Committee would be to suggest to the Commission that the Town Center extend to east side of Tuskawilla Rd. and include the High School property and extend down to Central Winds Park. Mr. Grimms said the intersection that Commissioner Gennell was talking about would be one of the focal points in the Town Center. Discussion. Commissioner Gennell said the area for the Town Center is not equal on all sides and said there is an expansive amount of undeveloped area (and will all likely hood a lot of it will come into the City) and not only there but in the southeastern quadrant. That will all be commercial and said she doesn't Workshop Meeting City Commission December 9. 1996 Page 3 see a reason to exclude that at this point. Mr. Grimms said the reason why it appears because of the location of City Hall, and Post Office. Commissioner Gennell stated that those are things that are already developed and we now come to the point where we are talking about development and it appears that 3/4 ofthe undeveloped area has been excluded from the Town Center. Commissioner Gennell said it doesn't make good sense to her looking at it that way; because she sees the traffic increasing tremendously once Tuskawilla is four laned and once S.R. 434 is finished - it's a major conversion point and if we ever develop some lake front attraction of any kind, that whole "hub" will be effected. Discussion. Commissioner McLeod asked if the Committee received a final draft. Mr. Grimms said he believed that the Committee received a copy of the redevelopment area, and said there was an interest from McIntosh and Assoc., and said he believes that they received a copy of the Town Center Draft. Commissioner McLeod said that some of the people that were on the Committee told him that when they found out that the Commission has the draft, and said that they never received a copy of the final draft. Commissioner McLeod said he wanted Mr. Grimms to make sure that the committee receIves a copy. Manager McLemore said the process that was gone through was that the Committee had the final draft that the Committee (themselves) worked on; the draft went from them to the P & Z Board, and the P&Z Bd. made some minor changes and stated that the document that the Commission has is the draft with the changes from the P & Z Bd. Discussion. Commissioner McLeod said he wanted to have the Committee receive a copy of the Final Draft. Commissioner Conniff said he likes the idea of the expanded Town Center, especially if the lake front development is included. Commissioner McLeod said we are talking of making the Town Center and parts of the proposed Town Center are in the County and asked if there was any way to have an interlocal agreement between the City and the County stating that if the City adopts the Town Center draft, the property owners (in the County) that they would have to build according to our Draft. Mr. Grimms stated that he has had discussions with Tony Mathews, Senior Planner for Seminole County, and Mr. Mathews stated that the County (in his view) would be cooperative with the City annexing the enclaves. Discussion. Manager McLemore said that the County can (in effect) adopt the same ordinance that the City adopts for that section. Commissioner McLeod stated if the City adopts this draft, then the City should get on the County's agenda to have them adopt it also. Manager McLemore said he wanted to point out that this is an enclave, and there are ways for bringing enclaves into the City, and one way is by agreement with the County; or the County can adopt the same ordinance that the City does. Discussion. Commissioner McLeod asked the City Manager to discuss this with the County and report back to the Commission at the first meeting in Workshop Meeting City Commission December 9.1996 Page 4 January. Mayor Partyka stated that he is meeting with County Chairman Randy Morris to discuss mutual County/City issues and stated that he will bring up the issue of the enclaves. Mr. GrimIns mentioned that he has sent a copy of the latest Draft to the County and has not heard any negative feed back from them. Mr. Grimms said that the County has seen earlier drafts and said that the County is generally supportive of our (City) efforts - at the County Staff level. The Commission decided to go through the draft page by page and discuss any issues. Page 6 - Commissioner Gennell said she does not want to see the buildings closer to the road because we are trying to make the Town Center more pedestrian friendly. Discussion. Manager McLemore stated that there is a lot of movement, in practice and in theory, back toward the traditional "downtown", where buildings were two/three stories and located near the street. The question was did we (committee) want to try to replicate some of the traditional town centers that are being developed in various communities, for a more compact, more dense type of development that was like the "old true downtown areas". We just have to make a choice, do we want that or not. Discussion. Mayor Partyka stated one issue that the Commission will look into is setbacks. Much discussion on the location ofthe town center. Mr. Wadley stated that he will bring back more information. Discussion on retention areas. Page 9 - Discussion on zeroscape. Page 10 - Commissioner Gennell stated she doesn't think the retention ponds that are in full view on S.R. 434 be rectangular or chain link fence; Commissioner Gennell said she thinks they should be made amenities, either visual or fountains, etc. Mr. Wadley stated that that is spoken about on page 19, and it specifically prohibits designs where fencing is required. Discussion. Mayor Partyka stated that there needs to be more clarification on page 10 and to have a separate heading on retention ponds. Page 11 - Commissioner Blake said in Section 12, regarding concrete walkways, the Commission has discussed making them somewhat wider than 5'. Discussion. Mr. Wadley stated that he will bring back more infon11ation on sidewalks. Commissioner Blake asked about the tree sizes and said the size should have an absolute standard. Workshop Meeting City Commission December 9,1996 Page 5 Mr. Wadley stated that it should be specifically written that the trees will be a minimum of 4" in width and the height 15'. Commissioner McLeod asked that at the next meeting, could there be an overlay so that the citizens present, which would give them the opportunity to look at and may have input. Mayor Partyka also stated that he would like to have copies of the draft for the residents. Commissioner Gennell asked about the tree list. Commissioner Gennell mentioned that the City might want to specify that a certain percentage of the plantings be some sort of flowing bushes/shrubs. Commissioner Gennell also mentioned that back flow devices shouldn't be seen. Commissioner Blake said regarding parking and whether or not parking will be permitted between S.R. 434 and the buildings (page 8, #3). Discussion. Mr. Wadley stated that issue ties in with setbacks and will be addressed together. Mayor Partyka summarized the workshop: we need to make this a more user friendly workshop and at the next workshop have graphics, pictures, photos and copies for the citizens present and as well as some sort of overhead. Also, highlight issues, or have an issue page; flowering shrubs or plants of interest, tree list, sidewalk issue, retention ponds, setbacks and indexing the draft. There was discussion as to the date of another workshop. It was the consensus ofthe Commission to have another workshop on January 6, 1997 at 7:00 p.m. and to also notify the committee of the workshop. The meeting adjourned at 7:00 p.m. Respectfully Submitted, Margo M. Hopkins, City Clerk