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APRIL 10, 2006
CALL TO ORDER
The Regular Meeting of Monday, April 10, 2006 of the City Commission was called to
order by Mayor John F. Bush at 6:35 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the Municipal
Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida 32708).
Roll Call:
Mayor John F. Bush, present
Deputy Mayor Michael S. Blake, present
Commissioner Robert S. Miller, present
Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore, present
Commissioner Sally McGinnis, present
Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs, present
City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, present
City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, present
.:..:. AGENDA NOTE: AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS "100" WAS HELD
NEXT, FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC INPUT. .:..:.
AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS
AWARDS AND PRESENT A nONS
100. Community Development Department - Arbor Division
Requests The Mayor And The City Commission To Accept Honorary Plaques
Presented To The City By Club Scout Packs 196 And 843 In Celebration Of The
Cub Scouts International 75th Anniversary.
In honor of a tree planted last year on Arbor Day in front of City Hall by Club Scout
Packs 196 and 843, plaques were presented to the City to be placed at the tree.
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PUBLIC INPUT
Mr. Bill Reischmann, Esquire, 1673 Eagle Nest Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: as the
Attorney for the Tuscawilla Homeowner's Association, Mr. Reischmann spoke on the
issue of the industrial building being built in Tuscawilla.
Discussion.
Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs said to Attorney Garganese, "How would we find out
what these different Units, Association's, whatever you want to call them need to do, to
do it right. To make sure that they can reinstate, renew or just continue their restrictive
Covenants - Deed Restrictions."
City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese responded, "I am not sure there is anything that the
City can do in terms of getting all of these Deed Restrictions either reinstated if they
expired, or renewed. I mean the City can certainly try to educate the Homeowner
Association's and the Property Owners that are out there regarding this issue." With
discussion, Attorney Garganese stated, "Given the circumstances, there may be a need for
additional safeguards regarding single family properties."
Discussion.
Mr. Reischmann briefly mentioned the provisions of Florida Statutes 712, and Florida
Statutes 720, Part III.
Deputy Mayor Michael S. Blake stated, "I found a couple of provisions within our Code -
20-353. for instance, which states the Development Code that Tuscawilla was developed
under, specifically that one. It says 'The following uses shall be permitted in the planed
unit development district if they are complimentary to and compatible with each other
and the adjacent land uses, and if designated on an approved preliminary and final
development plan:' Why wouldn't that language apply to this?"
Furthermore, Deputy Mayor Blake pointed out, "Paragraph (1) of that same Section
reads, 'Planned residential communities:' which this is, 'Residential dwelling units,
including but not limited to detached single-family, patio homes, garden apartments,
condominiums, cooperative apartments - provided that all are compatible with each other;
complimentary and compatible supportive commercial and/or industrial land uses
designed to create an aesthetically pleasing and harmonious environment."
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Next, Deputy Mayor Blake noted, "Then in 20-354. (d) - the very next section - it says,
'The following site development standards shall apply unless waived by the city
commission, specifically finding after receiving recommendations from the' - P and Z
Board '[planning and zoning board], that the unique characteristics of the development in
question make unnecessary the application of one (1) or more of these provisions in order
to carry out the intent and purpose of the planned unit development district:' Number (6)
reads, 'The proposed location and arrangement of structures shall not be detrimental to
existing or prospective adjacent land uses. Lighting, access points, or high noise level
activities which adversely affect abutting property shall be prohibited.' It seems to me
like we have the language in our Code."
Furthermore, Deputy Mayor Blake commented that, "I am very concerned about, not just
what the Codes say, because frankly, when 1 read this, 1 think we have language in the
Code, notwithstanding the fact - of what might be in the CCR's (Covenants, Conditions
and Restrictions) that either are in place or have expired and now have to be renewed, but
1 think we have the tools right here to make sure this doesn't happen; and the biggest
problem is, it never should have happened."
Further discussion.
Tape I/Side B
Mayor Bush suggested, in number 3., it should say "'Winter Springs', not just
'Tuscawilla'." Commissioner Robert S. Miller added, "That is correct."
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of this discussion.
Mr. Edward Martinez, Jr., 205 Little Creek Lane, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke on the
issue of the industrial building being built in Tuscawilla and made several suggestions for
future consideration.
Ms. Yvonne Paul, 1215 Deer Run, Winter Springs, Florida: also mentioned the industrial
building being built in Tuscawilla and spoke about Deed Restrictions.
Mr. Tom Waters, 1033 Antelope Trail, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke of getting permits
but hoped there would not be too many regulations. Mr. Waters also noted items that
have come before the Board of Adjustment.
Mr. Tom Weiss, 1304 Deer Run, Winter Springs Florida: mentioned the Tuscawilla
community and neighboring quality, property values, and permitting.
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Mr. Richard Van Smith, 1313 Deer Run, Winter Springs, Florida: encouraged
architectural standards and suggested the City provide polices for the review of buildings;
and mentioned his concern with the aluminum paneling on the second floor of the
industrial building being built in Tuscawilla.
Mr. Thomas Gergen, 922 Torrey Pine Drive, Winter Springs, Florida: noted his concern
with protecting property values; spoke of Building Permits and thought that the permit
for the industrial building being built in Tuscawilla should not have been approved.
Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of this discussion.
Discussion.
Mayor Bush stated, "Commissioners, the Manager has made three (3) recommendations,
and the only change that I am aware of is we change the word 'Tuscawilla' to 'Winter
Springs' in number 3. In light of Mr. Blake's comments regarding the existing Code -
any changes?"
Commissioner Krebs stated, "I think that we should also make sure that we include
Commissioner Blake's question that he had and we research that. And also what I would
like to know is what we can do to prevent somebody else from walking in that door
tomorrow and having something approved while we go through this process."
Attorney Garganese stated, "What you can do in the meantime to try to protect - the
residential communities is you can give some specific direction to have us come back
with an Ordinance to at least address this issue. And then we could rely on the pending
Ordinance doctrine which you are generally familiar with, until such time as the
Commission can adopt a Code and make it law." Attorney Garganese added, "We would
need to have some clear direction to get the wheels moving to prepare that Ordinance."
Deputy Mayor Blake agreed with Commissioner Krebs and stated, "We need to make
sure that we do something at this point in time that will protect us from something that
could walk in the door tomorrow."
Next, Deputy Mayor Blake inquired, "What protections do we already have in force and
to what extent are we utilizing those to protect ourselves from these types of surprises; so
I am fully in support of directing Staff to go forward and bring back some solutions
immediately that will protect the residential nature of the communities that we have in
Winter Springs that are residential."
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"I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THESE THREE (3) RECOMMENDATIONS
TONIGHT." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. MAYOR BUSH
ADDED, "ON ITEM 3. WITH 'TUSCA WILLA' STRUCK AND 'WINTER
SPRINGS' REPLACED." COMMISSIONER McGINNIS NOTED, '''WINTER
SPRINGS', THAT IS CORRECT." SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER
GILMORE. DISCUSSION.
"I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT - THE MOTION I
WOULD LIKE TO ADD NUMBER 4. - NUMBER 4. WOULD PROVIDE FOR A
PROCEDURE WITHIN THE CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS THAT WOULD BE
ENACTED BY THE CITY MANAGER THAT WOULD ENSURE THAT IN THE
FUTURE WHEN UNFORESEEN SITUATIONS SUCH AS THIS COME
THROUGH THE STAFF THAT STAFF IS REQUIRED TO BRING IT TO MR.
McLEMORE OR WHOMEVER THE CITY MANAGER IS, AND ELEVATE IT
SO THAT IT DEOSN'T - GET DONE WITHOUT A FLAG BEING FLOWN."
AMENDMENT OT THE MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE. SECONDED
BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. DISCUSSION.
VOTE: (ON THE AMENDMENT)
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
VOTE: (ON THE MAIN MOTION, AS AMENDED)
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Commissioner Krebs then said to Attorney Garganese, "What is the probability or the
possibility of somebody coming in tomorrow from any part of the City that - doesn't have
Deed Restrictions or they have expired Deed Restrictions, of being able to put a unit up
like we just heard about?"
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With further comments, Attorney Garganese said, "With respect to existing residential
neighborhoods - additions, modifications, and expansions of residential structures, we
need to come up with some law - to address compatibility and harmony with surrounding
neighborhoods.
I think that's the message that's loud and clear and that these types of structures that are
built in existing residential neighborhoods should not be allowed and I think that's a clear
message and certainly - tomorrow we'll post something up there at the Counter to advise
everybody that there is a pending Ordinance in the works to address this; and that puts the
Public on Notice."
"I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE HAVE THE ATTORNEY DRAFT - AN
ORDINANCE - THE ISSUES YOU JUST RAISED..." ATTORNEY
GARGANESE STATED, "...REGARDING NEIGHBORHOOD
COMP A TIBILITY." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. MAYOR BUSH
STATED, "SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE." DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
.:..:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING REGULAR AGENDA ITEM WAS
DISCUSSED NEXT FOLLOWED BY THE REMAINING AGENDA ITEMS, AS
DOCUMENTED. .:. .:.
REGULAR AGENDA
REGULAR
300. Public Works Department
Requesting The City Commission To Review The Straw Ballot Results For The
Proposed Dyson Drive Pedestrian And Traffic Safety Improvement Project And
Approve Construction Of Sidewalks And Traffic Calming.
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of this Agenda Item.
Mr. Tom Freeman, 900 Dyson Drive, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke of the time to get
to or from Rainbow Elementary School; and mentioned that he thought the sidewalks
were more of a "dogwalk".
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Mr. Larry Nadrowski, 915 Dyson Drive, Winter Springs, Florida: noted there is a need
for sidewalks and Traffic Calming and spoke of speeding and traffic.
Ms. Connie Nadrowski, 915 Dyson Drive, Winter Springs, Florida: also spoke of
sidewalks and Traffic Calming.
Ms. Sherri Moore, 925 Dyson Drive, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke of fond school
memories of neighborhood children going to school.
Tape 2/Side A
Ms. Christine Borbridge, 910 Dyson Drive, Winter Springs, Florida: remarked about
her support of sidewalks and Traffic Calming and also noted some related statistics.
Ms. Pamela Carroll, 865 Dyson Drive, Winter Springs, Florida: asked why Mustang
Court residents weren't included and suggested a four way stop at Morgan Street and
Dyson Drive.
Mr. Tibor C. Osztroviczky, 1005 Dyson Drive, Winter Springs, Florida: noted
communities with and without sidewalks and mentioned that he has not seen speeding
cars.
Discussion.
Mr. Mervin Warner, 673 Keuka, Court, Winter Springs, Florida: noted he was in favor
of sidewalks and Traffic Calming and asked the City Commission to approve both.
Mr. Archie Sullivan, 607 South Pinto Court, Winter Springs, Florida: commented about
the need for sidewalks and Traffic Calming; mentioned speeding vehicles; and said that
more children seemed to be moving into the neighborhood.
Ms. Laura Etse, 1110 Gator Lane, Winter Springs, Florida: asked why Howell Creek
Drive and Deer Run weren't included in the study and asked some questions about
Traffic Calming related issues.
Brief discussion.
Ms. Loretta Ames, 150 Third Street, Winter Springs, Florida: Mayor Bush said, "Loretta
is in favor of item' 30 1'."
Mr. Bob Rucci, 973 Turkey Hollow Drive, Winter Springs, Florida: asked the City
Commission to approve Regular Agenda Item "301".
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Ms. Sarah Petrie, 661 A Macduff Lane, Winter Springs, Florida: Mayor Bush noted,
Sarah is "In favor of item '301', but does not wish to address the Commission."
Mr. Mathew Branson, 661 A Macduff Lane, Winter Springs, Florida: Mayor Bush
remarked, "Mathew Branson is also in favor of item '301', and does not wish to address
the Commission."
Mr. Bruce Filsinger and Ms. Anna Filsinger, 442 Club Drive, Winter Springs, Florida:
Mayor Bush remarked, "Is in favor of '301', and they do not wish to address the
Commission. "
Ms. Linda Payne, 510 Bentley Street, Oviedo, Florida: Mayor Bush stated "Linda Payne
is in favor of' 30 1', and does not wish to address the Commission."
Mr. William Payne, 510 Bentley Street, Oviedo, Florida: Mayor Bush commented
"William Payne is in favor of '301', and does not wish to address the Commission."
Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of this Agenda Item.
Mr. Brian Fields, P.E., City Engineer, Public Works Department presented his opening
comments on this Agenda Item.
Discussion.
"I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE BOTH THE
SIDEWALKS AND THE TRAFFIC CALMING." MOTION BY DEPUTY
MAYOR BLAKE. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
DEPUTYMAYORBLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS AGENDA
PUBLIC HEARINGS
200. Community Development Department - Planning Division
Requests That The Commission Hold A Public Hearing For The Aesthetic Review
Of The New Public Works Buildings Located On Old Sanford Oviedo Road.
Ms. Eloise Sahlstrom, AS LA, AICP, Senior Planner, Community Development
Department spoke on this Agenda Item.
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
No one spoke.
Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
"I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE ITEM '200'."
MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER
KREBS. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
201. Community Development Department - Planning Division
Requests That The Commission Hold A Public Hearing For The Aesthetic Review
Of A Dumpster Enclosure Located Behind Building 16 Within Phase 1 Of The
Town Center.
Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
No one spoke.
Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item.
Ms. Sahlstrom briefly spoke on this Agenda Item.
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Discussion.
"MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE. MAYOR
BUSH STATED, "SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER." DISCUSSION.
Commissioner Miller stated, "Point of Order" and spoke of the Motion.
VOTE:
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REGULAR AGENDA
REGULAR
301. Parks And Recreation Department
Requesting The City Commission Approval To Proceed With The Planning For A
Permanent Dog Park On The Central Winds Expansion Property (Wincey) Per The
Attached Concept Plan.
Mr. Chuck Pula, Director, Parks and Recreation Department introduced this Agenda
Item.
Tape 2/Side B
Brief discussion.
Due to technical difficulties, the next audiotape was used.
Tape 3/Side A
Discussion.
Commissioner Miller stated, "I would like to see it moved further back from the lake."
Mr. Lockcuff asked, "The Plant?" Commissioner Miller responded, "Yes" and then
suggested they might be buried in the ground.
Discussion.
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"MOVE TO APPROVE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
"I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO
BRING US BACK A DRAWING WITH ALTERNATIVES FOR
DISPLACEMENT OF THE ORIGINAL PLANNED USES OF THE WINCEY
PROPERTY, AND TO PROVIDE FOR A PERMANENT LOCATION FOR THE
DOG P ARK." SUBSTITUTE MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. DISCUSSION.
MAYOR BUSH SUGGESTED, "I SUPPOSE IN THERE YOU SHOULD
INCLUDE THE FUNDS..." DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE SAID, "...TWO
THOUSAND DOLLARS ($2,000.00)."
VOTE: (ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION)
COMMISSIONER KREBS: NAY
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
DEPUTYMAYORBLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: NAY
MOTION CARRIED.
Mayor Bush called a Recess at 9:20 p.m.
Mayor Bush called the Meeting back to Order at 9:37 p.m.
REGULAR
302. Public Works Department
Presenting The City Commission With Information And Recommendations
Regarding The Proposed Countywide Mosquito Control Program.
Mr. Fields spoke on this Agenda Item.
Discussion.
Funding issues were then discussed, to which Deputy Mayor Blake asked, "Has the
County said they are going to pay for this?" Mr. Fields responded, "Yes. I clarify that -
they said that the County Commission actually took action to agree to pay for it, out of
the General Fund during the implementation period." Deputy Mayor Blake then
inquired, "Which is how long?" Mr. Fields replied, "The three (3) year start-up."
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City Manager Ronald W. McLemore noted, "My communication with Mr. Fisher, but in
a very general sense, not in a very specific sense, was communicated to me that his
reading ofthe Commission was - it was their intent to do this with the General Fund."
Furthermore, Manager McLemore commented that, "I raised the question with them, was
there a possibility to be facing - MSTU (Municipal Services Taxing Units) down the
road, and the answer was to the best of his understanding, at that point in time, they
intended to do this with their own funds." Deputy Mayor Blake asked, "And you got a
response from a letter on that?" Manager McLemore said, "No, not from the letter."
Deputy Mayor Blake then asked, "What was the content of the letter?" With additional
discussion, Deputy Mayor Blake asked, "We're going to get a copy of that letter? 1 have
just heard about it, but haven't seen it." Manager McLemore remarked, "Yes."
Furthermore, Deputy Mayor Blake remarked, "Especially with something like that, 1
would like to see a copy of it."
Discussion.
Tape 3/Side B
Further discussion.
"BECAUSE THE RECOMMENDATIONS SEEM TO MIRROR EXACTLY
WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY DONE, IN THE ITEM THE
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU ARE ASKING US TO APPROVE, STAFF
RECOMMENDATIONS, FOUR (4) ITEMS, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN HERE
THAT WE HA VEN'T ALREADY ADDRESSED. IS THERE SOMETHING
HERE THAT IS DIFFERENT THAT I AM MISSING? THEN I MOVE THAT
WE APPROVE IT." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE. SECONDED BY
COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER MILLER SAID TO MR. FIELDS, "SO WE WILL MAINTAIN
OUR EQUIPMENT AND OUR CAPABILITY FOR THREE (3) YEARS?" MR.
FIELDS STATED, "OR LONGER."
COMMISSIONER MILLER ASKED, "WHY DID LAKE MARY NOT GO
ALONG WITH IT?" WITH FURTHER DISCUSSION ON WHAT OTHER
CITIES HAVE DONE, COMMISSIONER MILLER SAID, "I WILL FIND OUT
WHAT HAPPENED TO LAKE MARY, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I WILL GO
ALONG WITH IT; JUST AS LONG AS WE DON'T GIVE UP OUR OWN
CAP ABILITY."
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REGULAR
303. Office Of The City Manager
Requesting Clarification From The City Commission In Regards To City Funding
For The Proposed Winter Springs Chamber Of Commerce And To Authorize A
Supplemental Appropriation In The Appropriate Amount.
Mayor Bush began the discussion on this Agenda Item and stated that at a meeting of this
Task Force, "I made the comment that they should come and ask the - City Commission
would - send out a letter of support for the Chamber - in whatever direction they choose
to go, and that we would enclose their questionnaire which was to return to their post
office box."
Manager 'McLemore spoke for the Record and stated, "As long as we don't start
transferring money to another party, we don't have a problem with it."
Mr. Rick Brown, 211 Nandina Terrace, Winter Springs, Florida: agreed with what
Mayor Bush had just said regarding the City's offer.
Discussion.
"I MOVE THAT WE SPEND UP TO FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS ($5,000.00),
OR NOT TO EXCEED FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS ($5,000.00) TO DO - THE
INITIAL MAILING REGARDING DEVELOPMENT OF THE CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. SECONDED BY
COMMISSIONER GILMORE. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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REGULAR
304. Office Of The City Clerk
Requesting The City Commission Consider Remaining Funds In Line Code 1100-
54800 (Promotional Expense) And Payment For An Outstanding Invoice.
With discussion on the State of the City Address, Commissioner Sally McGinnis said,
"We should each have a copy - and take it everywhere we go." Mayor Bush added, "The
City does have a copy."
Manager McLemore noted, "When we do these authorizing things, we need a specific
amount of money appropriated to them." Furthermore, Manager McLemore remarked,
"For these additional expenses, you just need to look at it in terms, how you want to deal
with it - do you want to do a Supplemental Appropriation, do you want to curtail
spending somewhere else?" Manager McLemore further stated, "We need to be very
careful in the future and I will be very careful to make sure to help you out with that, to
make sure that when we do these extra things, that we specify a certain appropriation for
it. "
"I WOULD MOVE THAT WE APPROVE 'D. 1. - D. 2'." MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE.
DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REGULAR
305. Not Used
REGULAR
306. Community Development Department - Office Of The City Arborist
Recommends The City Commission Consider The Request Of Cindy Pavony Of 318
Dornoch Court To Remove (1) Specimen Tree Located On The Resident's Private
Lot.
"MOVE TO APPROVE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
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VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REGULAR
307. Community Development Department
Requests The City Commission Approve The Proposed Preliminary
Subdivision/Engineering Plans For Villa Grande.
Mr. Randy Stevenson, ASLA, Director, Community Development Department spoke on
this Agenda Item,
Discussion.
Mr. Stevenson stated, "There will be a Development Agreement with this project that
will have to coincidingly be approved with the Final Engineering."
Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore said to Mr. Stevenson, "Nothing has changed in
parking, from when we met the last time on this?" Mr. Stevenson stated, "I don't believe
it has." Mr. Fields briefly mentioned safety issues.
Much discussion.
"MOTION TO APPROVE" PRELIMINARY. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER
McGINNIS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. DISCUSSION.
ATTORNEY GARGANESE NOTED, "THE PLANS SAY FINAL
ENGINEERING, AND I KNOW YOU ARE SAYING THEY'RE
PRELIMINARY..." MR. STEVENSON REMARKED, "...WE BROUGHT IT
FORWARD, THEY PROVIDED THE TITLE, BUT WE BROUGHT IT
FORWARD AS PRELIMINARY, BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF THE
DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT."
MAYOR BUSH ADDED, "THE MOTION WOULD BE..." COMMISSIONER
McGINNIS NOTED, "...PRELIMINARY."
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FURTHERMORE, ATTORNEY GARGANESE STATED, "THE PLANS SAY
FINAL ENGINEERING, SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, I DON'T WANT IT TO
BE CONFUSED AS FINAL ENGINEERING PLANS."
COMMISSIONER GILMORE NOTED, "I HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS
ABOUT THE PARKING IN HERE. I HA VE HAD IT THE LAST TIME. IT IS
CROWDED IN THERE, UNDER - THE BUILDING PARKING WHERE YOU
HAVE HEAD TO HEAD PARKING, I CAN SEE DIFFICULTY IN THAT. I
JUST PERSONALLY THINK IT IS JUST ENTIRELY TOO DENSE. I FELT
THAT THE LAST TIME, AND THESE DRAWINGS HAVE NOT COME BACK
WITH ANY BETTER COMFORT FEELING FOR ME."
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: NAY
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
(COMMISSIONER KREBS SAID TO MR. STEVENSON, "IN THE FUTURE,
MAYBE THERE IS A WAY THAT YOU CAN ALSO LOOK AT THE
REPLACEMENT TREES OR WHOEVER IS IN CHARGE AND REALL Y
CONSIDER LOOKING INTO WHAT WE ARE REPLACING AS TO WHAT WE
ARE TAKING AWAY.")
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REGULAR
308. Community Development Department
Requests The City Commission Review The Proposed Preliminary
Subdivision/Engineering Plans for Lake Jesup Shores.
Mr. John Baker, AICP, Senior Planner, Community Development Department introduced
this Agenda Item.
Tape 4/Side A
Comments by Mr. Baker continued.
Discussion
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"MOTION TO EXTEND." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE. DISCUSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
Further discussion.
Mr. Tom McCarthy, Vice President, Land Development, Ryland Homes, 4700 Milennia
Boulevard, Suite 400, Orlando, Florida: addressed the City Commission and first
commented that "Flex space is a den, a bedroom, a home office space on the first floor -
and these are three (3) story townhouses." Furthermore, Mr. McCarthy noted, "It is -
part of a twenty-seven, thirty (27, 30) acre site that was divided through by the old [State
Road] 434 and now the new [State Road] 434 is through it, so it is this triangular or
crescent shaped tract of land." These are our units that we plan to do on this site. There
are four (4) units here, differentiated by color for this particular drawing. Stucco and
hardie board planking, metal roofs over the porches on the front. They share a front
porch. There is a stone treatment along the base of the units all the way around." There's
projections in the building, that they pop out in locations. The rear elevations of the
buildings are such that the garage is down below. There's a door here that you cannot see
in this plan - when I get - floor plan, you'll be able to see it; a balcony and glass up
above on the third floor.
The side elevations, you get to see the projection of the front porch is here. The
driveways - they are two (2) car garages in each unit. There's room outside the garage
for parking two (2) cars outside of the alley which is twenty feet (20') in width which is
by directional alley. In other jurisdictions, that's a road. I just want to pass that on to you
because sometimes when we say alley, we're thinking there are places where around the
Central Florida area where an alley is ten feet (10') wide - the serving townhouse product.
So, all of the alleys that are shown in this plan are twenty feet (20') wide.
This is our three (3) story floor plans. That's the garage. It's recessed in. And, one of
the things when we were designing this, working with Dover, Kohl [& Partners], during
the summer of last year, this is a compact footprint. Doing detached garages to break
grade, makes the units bigger, they have a bigger footprint. This is approximately with
the front porch on, about sixty-seven feet (67') in length. That's the garage, two (2) car
garage, flex space; living area is on the second floor and then the bedrooms are on the
third floor.
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One of the issues about trying to do this and trying to keep costs within the reasonable
constraint on this site is also giving the City what it's looking for - the window placement
on the first floor is in relationship to the sidewalks that are out here. This is the front
steps up to the front porch and then we have an intermediate landing inside the building
which lets you walk down to the flex space room and through the garage and then there is
another set of stairs that would take you up to the second floor.
The site plan is pretty unique. It is 8.7 acres. We've gone through and spent a lot oftime
on it. There's actually twenty foot (20') of fall from that point to that point, across that
side. You may not see it along [State Road] 434, but there is that much fall. Right
through here, we sized the pond to take all of the development that's sitting on this part
and what we're working with, essentially, is the constraint ofthree (3) streets surrounding
the outside of this parcel. And that we've been sort of directed to direct our building
product to the existing road network that's there in place.
So, all our units on a perimeter face out to this road system that's in place. That
stormwater detention pond is sized for that development. We've actually gone through
enough engineering to get that to the right shape and size. We have the constraint of the -
there. We have to do a lift station somewhere on the site. This end is higher than this
end. There's approximately twelve feet (12') of fall across this site right now, the way
it's being designed. We have - a retaining wall at this section here. The end - the pond
and allow the building to start.
We've done a little different than the Village Code requires or asked for. It's asking for
placing these units right up against the curb. Or, at the zero (0) setback to the porch from
the sidewalk. We've honored that in that location at eight feet (8'). This is fourteen feet
(14') back from the right-of-way to the face of the building. The porch is still extending
out eight feet (8'). Over here we are thirty-five feet (35'). We felt that not putting
residential that close to [State Road] 434 right-of-way was not a good idea. So, we pulled
that back and that's where the tree planting would go, and we hope to save some of the
trees that are in that location.
That is what you get when you take our minimal footprint townhouse and a fifteen foot
(15') of driveway extended beyond the building which has already got a five foot (5')
overhang and a twenty foot (20') alley. So, that red represents our boundary conditions
that we have to honor to meet what everyone is looking for on this exterior exposure.
That leaves the white section in there for the rest of the property. When you start doing
this and you have the alley, some of these units naturally would fall that this alley would
serve this townhouse, plus that townhouse. We've done the same thing over here. And,
what we've done is created a Village Green here along with our pool and cabana facility
in this location. So, all of these - this is the front of these units. All circle around this
Village Green area.
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Previous drawings had us with just a pool and cabana and no screen wall here and really
no parking in this location. And, one of the comments came back that we have a
front/back issue. That the front of these units were looking into the garages of these. We
addressed that in one iteration of the drawing. We actually put in a screen wall back in
through here that breaks up this Village Green area. So, one of the comments of trying to
get the street to the park area which is a desirable thing, also sets up the condition of the
front to back looking into the garages of others.
So, it's been a compromise going along trying to balance the site. That's what the park
areas look like, what's left over. The Village Green in here. There's another small area
here with the mail kiosk gazebos. We've also done in another island here what's left in
white is the alleys that are - not been identified yet as either the reds or the - green. That
is the only building that doesn't honor the front to back."
Manager McLemore asked, "Which building?" Mr. McCarthy replied, "The blue. The
one I just turned on. Which is right there. That's the alley servicing this building, this
building, the front of that building overlooks this lower park area. It does sit up on top of
a retaining wall. We've drawn a retaining wall into this drawing. We don't know exactly
how tall they're going to be until we get down to the Final Engineering on it. But, we felt
that we could not handle the two to three percent (2-3%) grade along these slopes. You
take a look across the street here, you'd be hard pressed to find one percent (1%) to cross
that entire length. And, that's more typical in a townhouse product than trying to match it
with two to three percent (2-3%). Two to three percent (2-3%), just to give you an idea
of what that is, on a four (4) unit building, that's two and three foot (2 and 3') difference
from one end to another. Buildings are only a hundred feet (100') long.
One of the comments from Dover, Kohl [& Partners] was gap areas in the end here. And,
we have not supplied this to Staff. This is the first time you're seeing it also. What the-
pocket parks would look like. These are the filler spots that we haven't gone through
putting buildings on or other improvements on. Trying to give you a scale of this thing,
this is old [State Road] 434 here and Central Winds Parkway is sitting here. This is really
the land that's left over right there. Now, it looks like you could put another unit in there,
but we think we have a little better solution for the treatment of that edge. This is the
comer of [State Road] 434 and Central Winds Parkway which would be right there. The
gazebo structures, sidewalk system tying in to the [State Road] 434 and Central Winds
Parkway sidewalk system. This is the west end of the site again, one building sitting here
and the next one here. This is another gapping that Dover, Kohl's [& Partners] is talking
about. "
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Mr. McCarthy continued, "The Lift Station sits over here; we have to get our
underground drainage and gravity sanitary to the Lift Station so we're putting it here at
the edge. We took a stab at the Site Plan that was attached to the Agenda package
tonight; and we've done a refinement and what - was suggested was sixty foot (60')
right-of-way and unfortunately this one is not showing very well. But, that sixty foot
(60') would be right through here. And, we have the unit sitting right on top. We wind
up with some of these on that Site Plan, some of the units extended to the Stormwater
Pond when we've taken the liberty of straightening that out because the Pond is probably
at the right size. This - drawing drops the unit count down to about seventy-four (74). It
doesn't show any retaining walls that may be necessary through there. We didn't - go
much further. We stopped at this point - ran out oftime.
We have green space here where the pool cabana was. The pool cabana would have to
get moved down to here into that space which is - drawn in there. It's not the same
concept as our Village Green plan.
There's a thought that you can put more units here at some of these end conditions. What
happens to us is that we still have to have twenty foot (20') of driveway wherever you try
to get into a unit. So, we're trying to slide another unit in here - it doesn't get you too
much. You could physically draw the unit, but you can't have someone driving a car into
their garage. That cross street that we just talked about here, where would it come out?
Which would give that one (1), two (2), three (3), four (4) buildings a street to situate the
front door on, winds up coming out in this location here; and, this location here.
Now, we struggled a little bit with the Village Code for ourselves. Usually these cross
streets connect to something or drive you to something, or takes you to something. In
this location here it's taking you to the park and here it's taking you to the softball fields
and the stormwater ponds. It sort of doesn't leave a continuity - a path to travel. The
only ones who use this thing are these - residents in here who use it to get to the alley to
park their cars."
Further discussion.
Commissioner Gilmore inquired, "How many bedrooms do you have - are all these three
(3) bedroom homes?" Mr. McCarthy said, "It's two (2) and three (3) bedrooms per unit,
plus the flex space. So, you could have four (4) bedrooms." Commissioner Gilmore then
asked, "Is that a typical floor plan of all the units then?" Mr. McCarthy replied, "Yes that
would be typical - we may have some internal reconfigurations now too, so they
wouldn't necessarily all be the same." Commissioner Gilmore added, "You have three (3)
given bedrooms for sure?" Mr. McCarthy responded, "Right."
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Mr. Keith Bass, Division President, Ryland Homes, 4700 Milennia Boulevard, Orlando,
Florida: stated, "The third floor would have two (2) options. This is the three (3)
bedroom option; there would also be a two (2) bedroom option, so, those back two (2)
bedrooms would become one (1). It's a dual master plan. So, those would be your
options on level three (3). Level two (2) has a great room - that's kind of a living room,
dining room plan. It would have a great room plan, but no bedrooms on that second
floor. And, then the flex space. Although we think most people are going to finish it out
like a family room or a play room, it would have the ability to add a bathroom down
there, so technically it could be a bedroom. So, you could in theory have up to four (4),
although I don't think that's really where we think the target market is. It's going to be
more of a two (2) bedroom or three (3) bedroom."
Discussion.
Mr. McCarthy said, "We're showing six (6) in that configuration; and what would
happen, we'd drop that four (4) unit building. That six (6) probably becomes a four (4)
and gets pressed. We may wind up just going to a six (6) here. So, that four (4) would
drop. That would go to six (6) and that probably goes to a six (6)."
Deputy Mayor Blake said, "How are we handling the change in elevation area?" Mr.
McCarthy said, "We don't know yet. We've had the same concerns that we may have to
add some retaining wall systems in here and create breaks - we may have to take one of
the units and actually split it or split the one end, one half higher than the other."
Furthermore, Deputy Mayor Blake said, "You still don't avoid your situation on the ends
that Victor [Dover] was worried about. There's no way to close that, outside of building
a wall that goes around the comer." With further discussion, Mr. McCarthy said, "We're
not there yet, for that. And that would be the condition here - we did pull this one back
because of utility issues; and we've left some room here, just not to push things to the
edge. The edge condition of pushing them right up against the right-of-way and the
sidewalk is probably more important if there was something across the street to it. An
off-setting street and here it's - all open space, park, and play fields."
Tape 4/Side B
Manager McLemore said, "I would agree with Commissioner Blake. If you could put
those buildings, line those buildings - again here, you have a good second plan to look
at. "
With further discussion, Manager McLemore suggested, "Personally, rather than making
you spend a hundred thousand dollars ($100,000.00) on the street, I would rather see the
money put into the finishes on the building, to make the buildings more striking - stone,
something that - makes the buildings - add value to the buildings; and admit that this is
just a unique place."
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Additionally, Manager McLemore noted, "Can we put more money into the buildings..."
Commissioner McGinnis remarked, " . . . I agree... " Manager McLemore continued,
".. . And make them a better quality; particularly on the finishes and all that and don't
worry about the street."
Discussion continued. Commissioner Miller asked, "Can you take care of all front and
back issues if the blue building went away?" Mr. McCarthy said, "Yes, that is the only
one." Commissioner Miller then asked, "Okay - and that would be green space - that
would be great." Mr. McCarthy said, "There's sidewalk systems all throughout this that
we didn't try to highlight. So, you don't get somewhere and you can't walk to the outside
of the property or to the cabana pool area from every unit."
"I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS
PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN WITH THE PROVISO THAT THEY TAKE
UNDER SERIOUS CONSIDERATION THE ELIMINATION OF THE BLUE
BUILDING, THE BLUE FACILITY THERE, AND ENHANCING SOME OF THE
OTHER - FOR GREEN SPACE, ENHANCING SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS
WHERE THERE MAY BE AN ISSUE - OF LOOKING AT THE BACK OF
OTHER BUILDINGS." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER.
MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
"I WOULD MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION
ENGINEERING PLANS - THE SECOND PLAN, ELIMINATING THE FOUR (4)
UNITS. BUT, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WOULD BE A
SIGNIFICANT EFFORT MADE TO ENHANCE THE APPEARANCE OF THE
BUILDINGS." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS.
MANAGER McLEMORE STATED, "AND I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT -
THOSE THINGS THAT WOULD ADD TO THE VALUE TO THE WAY IT
LOOKS." COMMISSIONER McGINNIS NOTED, "UPGRADE THE
APPEARANCE." COMMISSIONER MILLER STATED, "AND, IT WOULD BE
TURNED INTO A PARK AREA..." COMMISSIONER McGINNIS STATED,
"...YES." COMMISSIONER MILLER ADDED, "GREEN SPACE." MAYOR
BUSH STATED, "SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER." DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTYMAYORBLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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REGULAR
309. Community Development Department
Requests That The Commission Approve The Harbor Winds Final Subdivision Plat
And Restrictive Covenants And Authorize Their Recordation, Subject To
Conditions.
Mr. Baker briefly spoke of this Agenda Item and stated, "Staff recommends Approval
subject to the conditions in a., b., and c. One, that they provide adequate Easements, for
example, across tracts B and J to the City; they remove the extraneous information,
talking about Seminole County Development order, for example. They need to provide a
Performance Bond or other legal instrument deemed appropriate by our City Attorney.
They need to pay - for the review of the City Attorney - subject to the City Attorney's
review ofthe Plat, the Restrictive Covenants, etcetera."
Referencing page 10, Commissioner McGinnis asked, "At the top, it refers to 'Rentals -
for a period less than seven (7) months shall be prohibited.' Okay. Then it says, 'Any
change to this section - reducing the minimum rental period to less than six (6) months
shall require the approval of the City.' Why would the City care?" Attorney Garganese
said, "I'll take a look at that. I don't think that's really appropriate to put the City in that
situation. "
Discussion ensued on short-term rentals.
"MOVE FOR APPROVAL." MAYOR BUSH STATED, "IT WAS MOTIONED-
BY COMMISSIONER BLAKE. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER."
DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS STATED, "THIS IS TO APPROVE THEIR
RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS AND AUTHORIZE THEIR RECORDATION,
SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS. IS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS TO REMOVE
Section 3.24.?" DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE ADDED, "SUBJECT TO STAFF'S
FINDING AND COMMENTS." COMMISSIONER McGINNIS ADDED,
"ALRIGHT."
VOTE:
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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Regarding adding an additional Agenda Item, "310", Mayor Bush asked, "Is there any
objection to adding this to the Agenda Commissioners?" Mayor Bush said, "No
objections? Okay. It is on the Agenda. "
.:..:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING "REGULAR" ADD-ON AGENDA
ITEM WAS DISCUSSED NEXT FOLLOWED BY THE REST OF THE AGENDA,
AS DOCUMENTED. .:. .:.
REGULAR AGENDA
REGULAR
310. Community Development Department
ADDED-ON DURING MEETING
Requests The City Commission Approve The Proposed Modification To The Pre-
Annexation Agreement For Jesup's Reserve.
Ms. Sahlstrom presented her opening remarks related to this Agenda Item.
Manager McLemore stated, "The double rows of trees was the factor, in which we agreed
to give up the frontage road? Now you're telling us we have to give it up?"
Mr. Dave Schmitt, P.E., Vice President, Land Development of Central Florida, Levitt and
Sons, LLC, 1479 Hartford Run Drive, Orlando, Florida: addressed the City
Commission.
Commissioner Miller stated, "Remind me to bring it up under my Seat, Mayor and that is
our traffic poles - they have been put within two feet (2') of the roadway that are
definitely a hazard to traffic."
Manager McLemore asked, "How high are the step ups from the front - to the porch?"
Mr. Schmitt said, "Two feet (2')."
Furthermore, Manager McLemore said, "The reason there's no frontage road there right
now was based on a negotiation that took probably six (6) hours if not less, over this issue
over frontage road and - finally it was agreed. We dropped the frontage road, you would
be required to put in the double rows of trees. And somewhere along the line, and I don't
know where this happened, that's gone away."
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Mr. Schmitt stated, "I apologize. I again - the collection of different landscape plans but
I never remember seeing one with the double row of canopy trees." Ms. Sahlstrom noted,
"The graphic that was first approved with the Pre-Annexation Agreement showed trees-
it showed a double row oftrees." Commissioner Miller said, "I think they need to fix it."
Commissioner McGinnis stated, "I do too." Commissioner Krebs added, "Fix it."
Commissioner Miller said, "I just want to point out to this Commission - we get these
drawings that - look like this on day one (1). And then they do the form, fit, and function
and they run out of space because there is only actually - there was only maybe two
inches (2') along that thing right there so all those trees have to go away. And, we just
have to live with it because all of this other stuff in here has already been done. And, the
same thing on the front here. I keep coming across this where I think, 'That's what I
want the City to look like', and every body has agreed to it. And, here we are two (2)
years later and we're faced with a - it appears to be a 'Fait accompli' for this
Commission. But, it's not for me. I think somebody's got to go out and talk to DOT
(Department of Transportation) about getting that sliver of land and plant trees on that
land, and if it is not us - then maybe they have to do it."
Further discussion.
Manager McLemore said, "What I would suggest is - I don't think there are any other
issues in the document, other than this right? I would suggest that you approve
everything subject to the Staff working with them, to see if we can come out with a
solution on this. I would like to get with our people and just see if there is anything we
can do. I am not convinced that we can't do something."
Deputy Mayor Blake said, "In what document is it embodied that we give up the road and
get the trees?" Attorney Garganese said, "It's in the Motion that was approved on August
8,2005."
Attorney Garganese added, "These requirements approved on August 8, 2005 were
supposed to be put into a Development Agreement and for whatever reason, that was not
completed - we had a - draft before the Commission that night and the Amendments; we
never got back from the Developer and I don't know if it's because the property changed
hands or they changed Attorneys, but it didn't get done. So, the purpose of tonight's
Agenda Item is to memorialize what was approved in August of 2005 and the additional
requirements that are set forth in the Agenda Item. In other words, it should have been in
writing, before tonight."
Deputy Mayor Blake referenced the Pre-Annexation Agreement that was passed in
September of 2004 and recorded in November of 2004, Deputy Mayor Blake noted,
"Nowhere in this document do I see anything about requiring of trees."
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Discussion.
Manager McLemore said, "I would like - to be able to have another shot at the trees."
With further discussion, Mr. Schmitt said, "I have no problem. We will work with you to
get - if we can in a second row of trees, 1 don't think like Eloise [Sahlstrom] said, 'Oaks
will work', but another type of canopy tree to get in there - the more trees for us the
better. "
Manager McLemore said, "I have no problem going ahead and if you will give me the
authority to work with these people and see if we can come up with a suitable solution
here with the trees."
"I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE PRE-ANNEXATION
AGREEMENT WITH THE STIPULATION IN IT - THE CITY MANAGER
WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM TO RESOLVE THE
OUTSTANDING ISSUE OF TREES - YES IT IS A MODIFICATION
AGREEMENT." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS.
Tape 5/Side A
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE ASKED, "IS SHE INCLUDING THE LANGUAGE
OF THE..." COMMISSIONER McGINNIS ADDED, "...CITY MANAGER."
MAYOR BUSH NOTED, "SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BLAKE."
DISCUSSION.
MANAGER McLEMORE STATED, "I PROMISE YOU, WE WILL COME
BACK WITH THIS."
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: NAY
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
.:..:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING ADD-ON REGULAR AGENDA
ITEM WAS DISCUSSED NEXT, AS DOCUMENTED, FOLLOWED BY THE
REST OF THE AGENDA. .:..:.
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REGULAR AGENDA
REGULAR
311. Community Development Department
ADD-ON
Requests That The Commission Approve The Winter Springs Town Center Final
Subdivision Plat (Re-Plat) For Capital Green And Authorize Its Recordation,
Subject To Conditions.
"MOTION TO APPROVE ADD-ON ITEM '311' - THE REPLAT FOR CAPITAL
GREEN - SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER
McGINNIS. MR. BAKER STATED, "SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS SET
FORTH IN THE FINDINGS." SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE.
DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
CONSENT AGENDA
CONSENT
400. Community Development Department - Urban Beautification Services
Division
Requesting Authorization For Reimbursement Of The City Standard Base Monthly
Rate For (6) Decorative Streetlights Located In Moss Cove Homeowner's
Association (HOA), Located Along Kristi Ann Court.
No discussion.
CONSENT
401. Information Services Department
Requests Supplemental Appropriations In The Total Amount Of $188,513.00 +
$5,000.00 Contingency To Cover The Additional Costs Of Oracle Licensing For The
Kiva Database.
There was no discussion on this Agenda Item.
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CONSENT
402. Utility Department
Requesting Authorization To Expand Sewer Service For Three Duplexes In The
City Of Oviedo.
This Agenda Item was not discussed.
CONSENT
403. Information Services Department
Requests Authorization to Dispose Of Surplus Assets According To The Attached
Disposition Sheets.
Discussion.
CONSENT
404. Parks And Recreation Department
Requesting The City Commission To Authorize The City Manager To Execute The
2006 Summer Camp Use Agreement Between The City Of Winter Springs And The
Christian Church Of Winter Springs Providing The City Of Winter Springs With
An Appropriate Venue To Offer Its 2006 Summer Camp Program At The Church
Facilities Upon The Terms And Condition Set Forth In The Proposed Agreement.
No discussion.
CONSENT
405. Parks and Recreation Department
Requesting Authorization To Accept The Proposal From Coastal Equipment
Systems To Purchase A John Deere 2653A Professional Utility Mower With A
Supplemental Appropriation From Park Impact Fees.
There was no discussion on this Agenda Item.
CONSENT
406. Community Development Department - Urban Beautification Services
Division
Requesting Authorization To Enter Into A Contract Agreement For Landscape
Maintenance Services To Be Performed At The Winter Springs Town Center Right-
Of-Way Areas At A Cost Of $12,840.00.
This Agenda Item was not discussed.
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CONSENT
407. Police Department
Requesting Commission Approval For Expenditure Of Funds To Lease Purchase 6
Police Vehicles Approved In The Current Budget For The 3 Officers Hired In
October 2005 And The 3 Officers Hired April 2006.
Discussion ensued with Chief Kerr.
CONSENT
408. Office Of The City Clerk
Requesting Approval Of The March 27, 2006 Regular City Commission Meeting
Minutes.
Commissioner Miller stated, "I wanted to point out a Scrivener's error on '408' - I was
actually here, and I am listed as absent."
CONSENT
409. Office Of The Mayor
Resolution Number 2006-21 - A Resolution Of The City Of Winter Springs, Florida,
Expressing Appreciation To Moti Khemlani For His Service On The Tuscawilla
Lighting And Beautification District Advisory Committee.
There was not any discussion on this Agenda Item.
"MOTION TO
COMMISSIONER
COMMISSIONER
DISCUSSION.
APPROVE" CONSENT AGENDA. MOTION BY
MILLER. MAYOR BUSH STATED, "SECONDED BY
McGINNIS - WITH THE CORRECTION NOTED."
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
DEPUTYMAYORBLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
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INFORMA TIONAL
INFORMATIONAL
500. Community Development Department
Advising The City Commission Of The Status Of Various Current Planning
Projects.
No discussion.
INFORMATIONAL
501. Fire Department
Requests That The City Commission Review The City Of Winter Springs Employee
Blood Drive Information To Be Held At The Winter Springs Branch Of Florida's
Blood Centers, 268 East SR [State Road] 434.
There was no discussion on this Agenda Item.
INFORMATIONAL
502. Public Works Department
Advising The City Commission With Updated Information On Property Appraisals.
This Agenda Item was not discussed.
INFORMATIONAL
503. Information Services Department
Wishes To Furnish Information To Commission Regarding Questions Previously
Raised About The Quality Of The Images On The City's LaserFiche Document
Management System Via WebLink.
No discussion.
INFORMATIONAL
504. Parks And Recreation Department
Informing The City Commission That Winter Springs Parks And Recreation Is
Highlighted In The April 2006 Sports Field Management Publication.
There was no discussion on this Agenda Item.
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"MOVE TO APPROVE" INFORMATIONAL AGENDA. MOTION BY
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER.
DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REPORTS
REPORTS
600. Office Of The City Attorney - Anthony A. Garganese, Esquire
Mayor Bush asked Attorney Garganese about the status of "Our lawsuit with the County -
what is the best guess on when we are going to hear something?"
Attorney Garganese noted, "Oral arguments are scheduled for next week, then we will
hear something in the summertime."
Brief comments were made on the Potchen Case.
REPORTS
601. Office Of The City Manager - Ronald W. McLemore
Manager McLemore passed out a Report on the Cellular Tower Study, and stated, "It
should be coming back at the next Meeting, I believe."
Next, Manager McLemore spoke of the Golf Course Report. Brief discussion.
REPORTS
602. Office Of The City Clerk - Andrea Lorenzo-Luaces, CMC
City Clerk Andrea Lorenzo- Luaces mentioned that the Advisory Board and Committee
Appreciation Dinner is Friday, May 12,2006.
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As to the next Joint Meeting with Oviedo, and a new date, City Clerk Lorenzo-Luaces
said, "So, everyone will let me know?" Mayor Bush said, "Yes - send a reminder out if
they don't."
REPORTS
603. Commission Seat One - Robert S. Miller
Commissioner Miller mentioned a letter here from the Florida League of Cities dated
April 17th from Florida League of Cities, related to House Bill 949 and Senate Bill 1608,
to which Commissioner Miller stated, "1 would like to see us pursue this - 1 think the best
thing that may be for us to pass a Resolution and have the Mayor send them a letter to
both saying that we unanimously support this, regarding some Charter provisions."
Commissioner McGinnis remarked, "1 would support that - that is good. Good idea."
Furthermore, Commissioner Miller added, "The League is asking us to personally get in
touch with our reps, so 1 will call mine, but 1 think it would help if we had one from the
Mayor."
Next, Commissioner Miller said, "1 wanted to compliment the City Manager too - after
five (5) long years of looking at dumpsters on North Fairfax [Avenue], he was finally
able to get rid of them."
Regarding the "Junk yard," Commissioner Miller stated, "1 would like to invite the
Mayor and the City Manager to go with me tomorrow, at some point and let us go take a
walk around the Junk yard. We need to do something." Mayor Bush stated, "Eight
o'clock in the morning?" Commissioner Miller added, "We can take Glenn [Tolleson]
with us too." With discussion, Commissioner Miller again noted, "Eight o'clock in front
of City Hall."
Commissioner Miller remarked, "I would also like the City to talk to DOT (Department
of Transportation) on this item that came up here this evening. I can't imagine what
DOT (Department of Transportation) is going to do on that sliver of land."
Commissioner Miller added, "I would like us to look into that - right across the street -
we just talked about the double line of trees. " Furthermore, Commissioner Miller
noted, "It might be another Resolution that we could pass that says we want them to
urgently remove - get the Police Department to write up a couple of threatening letters
that we really need to pay attention to this - that being, the light poles on Sheoah
Boulevard and [State Road] 434, and there are a couple more of them as you come
down this way. They are two feet (2? from the roadway; and they are - one foot (1? by
one foot (1 ?" Commissioner Miller added, "So I think it might be something that we
can use in negotiation, we will give up the telephone poles, and they give us this piece
of property. "
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Mayor Bush remarked, "[ would agree that it would be interesting to get DOT's
(Department of Transportation's) perspective on why they do that. "
Then, Mayor Bush asked, "Does the Commission then agree with Commission Miller
to have Staff contact DOT (Department of Transportation) and get some answers on
why they put street light poles next to the street and you can't plant a tree?"
Commissioner McGinnis stated, "Yes." No objections were noted.
COMMISSIONER MILLER STATED, "THERE IS A VACANCY ON THE -
TLBDAC (TUSCA WILLA LIGHTING AND BEAUTIFICATION DISTRICT
ADVISORY COMMITTEE) AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A NOMINATION
- TO FILL THE SLOT THAT IS EMPTY RIGHT NOW. MR. [MOTI]
KHEMLANI IS NO LONGER ON THAT BOARD. I WOULD LIKE TO
NOMINATE EDDIE MARTINEZ TO TAKE HIS PLACE." MOTION.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE. DISCUSSION.
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE
MOTION CARRIED.
REPORTS
604. Commission Seat Two/Deputy Mayor - Michael S. Blake
Deputy Mayor Blake spoke to Manager McLemore about the new trash pick-up and the
proposed automated service. Also on this same issue, Deputy Mayor Blake noted, "I
have seen a major increase in debris being left behind, after they have been by." Deputy
Mayor Blake noted, "I don't want them fined, I just want it picked up."
Next, Deputy Mayor Blake commented on the City's Charter, specifically Charter
Officers, and noted that "The majority doesn't rule." Deputy Mayor Blake added, "If
somebody doesn't have the majority's support, they shouldn't be here anyway."
"I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DIRECT STAFF -
ACTUALLY THE CITY ATTORNEY, DRAFT THE LANGUAGE FOR THOSE
THREE QUESTIONS WHICH AGAIN IS NOTHING BUT A NUMBER CHANGE
FROM FOUR (4) TO THREE (3), AND BRING IT BACK TO US - FOR US TO
DECIDE TO PRESENT THAT QUESTION, OR QUESTIONS, TO THE VOTERS
IN THE NOVEMBER ELECTION." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION.
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Discussion.
VOTE:
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: NAY
COMMISSIONER MILLER: NAY
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: NAY
MOTION DID NOT CARRY.
Further discussion.
Tape 5/Side B
With additional discussion, Manager McLemore stated, "If there are Directives laying out
there we haven't followed through on, for some time, 1 would like to know what they are
and go back and redouble our effort to get those done." Furthermore, Manager
McLemore added, "I am sorry you're disappointed, 1 really am - 1 am really sorry you're
disappointed, but - 1 would like to sit down with you and know what your issues are and
re-double my effort to deal with those."
REPORTS
605. Commission Seat Three - Donald A. Gilmore
Commissioner Gilmore, "Do we know when we are going to get a Report back from the
State on the V-Turn situation on [State Road] 434?" Manager McLemore said, "Sixty,
Ninety (60, 90) days as 1 recall." Mr. Lockcuff added, "Any day."
Commissioner Gilmore commented on the number of children that are living in our town
homes? Discussion.
Manager McLemore mentioned a recent Florida Trend article on demographics and
stated, "I have in fact noted it to make copies for you."
REPORTS
606. Commission Seat Four - Sally McGinnis
Commissioner McGinnis suggested that, "When our Legislative Session in Tallahassee
ends, we invite our Elected representatives, our Senator and our two (2) Representatives
to come to a Commission Meeting, answer any questions we might have; explain to us
the major Bills that affect us - we have never done that - we have never really held them
accountable for their actions in Tallahassee."
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Next, Commissioner McGinnis suggested, "We have a problem with our water bills and
I am just really tired of it. The ones we hear about, they are terrible stories, and along
with that is the way that they are being treated. We really need to have some customer
service training for our Staff." Mayor Bush asked, "Is anybody else getting complaints
about their water bills, but me?" Deputy Mayor Blake remarked, "Just me."
Commissioner Krebs noted, "No, but I agree with the customer service suggestion."
Commissioner Gilmore stated, "I have had calls. "
Commissioner McGinnis added, "The calls we get are big - they are not just little
problems. There is a problem somewhere with our water bills going out, and I am
talking about computing likefour andfive hundred dollars ($400.00 and $500.00) - but
then the other issue is that this goes on for sometimes, weeks and months before it gets
resolved and that shouldn't happen." Commissioner McGinnis added, "It would be
very supportive for Staff, I think they would appreciate it - having some kind of
customer service relationship training. "
Manager McLemore stated, "I certainly support that. I want to let you know that we
actually have been talking with the Orlando Utilities to come and do a like a peer
review of our system. That's being set up right now. I don't have a final okay, so I
haven't said anything to you. "
Commissioner McGinnis then said, "I want this customer service training beyond the
water - I think this is applicable to everybody out in the front. I know Seminole
Community College, I believe we could go through them. It is not a real expensive
deal." Manager McLemore remarked, "Sure."
Regarding a Consensus, Mayor Bush asked, "Are we in agreement with Commissioner
McGinnis's recommendation?" Commissioner Krebs said, "There is always roomfor
improvement, so I am in agreement." Commissioner Miller stated, "Sure, Why not."
Deputy Mayor Blake mentioned funding concerns, to which Commissioner McGinnis
stated, "We are asking him to come back - to us with - I think it is important enough
that he comes back. "
Mayor Bush said to Commissioner McGinnis, "Why don i you get together with Mr.
McLemore and put together an Agenda Item for our next Commission Meeting."
Commissioner McGinnis stated, "Alright."
Commissioner McGinnis commented that, "I have also brought up over the years, having
someone from the State Housing - Workforce Housing Department come. Well, we
don't need to do that because there is a big full day conference on Workforce Housing in
- Orange County at the Convention Center. It will be very comprehensive. It will cost
us nothing. I urge you all to go if you can."
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Mayor Bush said to City Clerk Lorenzo-Luaces, "Would you send an email to all the
Commissioners letting them know what date that is, times, how to register, etcetera?"
City Clerk Lorenzo-Luaces responded, "Sure."
Next, Commissioner McGinnis asked, "What are we doing about the road cuts - on [State
Road] 4347" Commissioner McGinnis added, "We really have got to keep on that."
Lastly, Commissioner McGinnis further commented on townhomes in Florida.
REPORTS
607. Commission Seat Five - Joanne M. Krebs
Commissioner Krebs mentioned her concern with late Agenda ADD-ON's and when
Agenda Item Packets are due to the Commission. Commissioner Krebs added, "Back in
some of this material, if packets weren't ready by a certain time - they were going to have
to wait for the next week. But we don't seem to be going by that - I think we need to get
back to that."
Deputy Mayor Blake said, "The Commission's directive was packets would be ready by
the end of the business day on Wednesday, prior to the Meeting, but in any case, not later
than five o'clock on Wednesday." Commissioner Krebs added, "I think we need to
improve there."
Next, referencing the upcoming Advisory Board and Committee Appreciation Dinner,
Commissioner Krebs said to City Clerk Lorenzo-Luaces, "Those invitations look great."
Regarding the Golf Course contract, Commissioner Krebs asked, "What I want to know
is how do we promote that Golf Course?"
Commissioner Krebs spoke of Manager McLemore's comment that he was retiring in
four (4) years and said, "What do we do?" Commissioner Krebs then said, "And I guess
the Contract is up, so what do we do - just negotiate for four (4) years?" Manager
McLemore stated, "Do whatever you'd like."
The next issue briefly brought up by Commissioner Krebs involved WMFE's Panel
discussion and when they were all attending.
Commissioner Krebs then asked about the light above her, and stated, "Can anything be
done about that?"
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Next, Commissioner Krebs spoke of the Sterling Conference and stated, "I personally
think that would be a great Conference for our City Clerk to go to." With discussion,
Commissioner Krebs said to City Clerk Lorenzo-Luaces, "Would you look at this and see
whether you think you could benefit from this and let us know, if there are some things in
here that - you really would feel to be applicable, and you would really use?" City Clerk
Lorenzo-Luaces agreed to this.
REPORTS
608. Office Of The Mayor - John F. Bush
Mayor Bush mentioned a Leadership Seminole class project related to the City
contributing to the Seminole Children's Village.
"I MOVE THAT WE SUPPORT FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS ($5,000.00) - OUT
OF THE GENERAL FUND TO SUPPORT THE CHILDREN'S - VILLAGE
AP ARTMENTS." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. SECONDED.
DISCUSSION.
Commissioner Miller suggested a Policy for similar requests for charitable contributions.
Tape 6/Side A
VOTE:
COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE
COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE
COMMISSIONER MILLER: NAY
DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: NAY
COMMISSIONER GILMORE: NAY
MOTION DID NOT CARRY.
Mayor Bush asked Manager McLemore, "Where are we on the Annexation of State Road
419 - the Study?" Manager McLemore said, "Hopefully by the next Commission
Meeting."
Mayor Bush said he had spoken to Chief Kerr about the "i-SAFE" program in Oviedo
and asked, "Is this something our Department would want to get involved in or not? I
will just give this to you."
Mayor Bush asked about the status of the City's new Telephone Operator. Brief
discussion.
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Lastly, Mayor Bush spoke to Manager McLemore about the status of the "Town Center
maintenance" and stated, "I know you and Anthony [Garganese] were going to see if that
was something..." Manager McLemore remarked, ".. .Not really." Mayor Bush then
said, "Why don't we put this - make an Agenda Item out of it so the Commission will
know what we are talking about."
ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Bush adjourned the Regular Meeting at I :56 a.m.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED:
DEBBIE FRANKLIN, DEPUTY CITY CLERK
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MAYOR
NOTE: These Minutes were approved at the April 24, 2006 Regular City Commission Meeting,