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HomeMy WebLinkAbout_2005 08 22 City Commission Regular Minutes CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING AUGUST 22, 2005 The Regular Meeting of Monday, August 22,2005 of the City Commission was called to order by Mayor John F. Bush at 6:31 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida 32708). ROLL CALL: Mayor John F. Bush, present Deputy Mayor Michael S. Blake, present Commissioner Robert S. Miller, present Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore, present Commissioner Sally McGinnis, present Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs, present City Manager Ronald W. McLemore, present City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, present Mayor Bush requested a Moment of Silence. The Pledge of Allegiance followed. Under Agenda Changes, Mayor Bush noted that Agenda Items '402.1', '402.2', and '511' were being pulled off this Agenda. Regarding Regular Agenda Item '511," an Appointment to the Beautification of Winter Springs Board, Mayor Bush said, "If any Commissioner knows of a citizen that wishes to serve or is there anybody in the audience that wants to serve, let me know." City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese added, "I would like to postpone an Item to a date certain, the next Regular City Commission Meeting - it is a Public Hearing [Agenda] Item" - "403". "I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WE POSTPONE THE READING AND ADOPTION HEARING FOR ORDINANCE NUMBER 2005-23 TO 6:30 [P.M.] OR SHORTLY THEREAFTER ON SEPTEMBER 12, 2005." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE. DISCUSSION. DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE ADDED, "THIS MOTION WILL PRESERVE THE PUBLIC NOTICE AND ADVERTISING FOR THE ORDINANCE." VOTE: COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE MOTION CARRIED. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 2 OF 39 Manager McLemore spoke on the Budget and how the Millage rate is determined. PUBLIC INPUT Mr. John Rickards, 719 Endeavour Drive, Winter Springs, Florida: representing some neighbors, Mr. Rickards read a letter to Mayor Bush and City Commission relating to a neighboring property and a related Code Enforcement issue. Discussion ensued with Captain Glenn Tolleson, Police Department who spoke on this case. Mayor Bush remarked, "Keep the Commission informed of the progress on this, if you would." A copy ofthe same letter with signatures was handed in for the Record. Mr. Bill ST Amour, 645 Marlin Road, Winter Springs, Florida: commented on the proposed Millage. Ms. Renee Pearson, 1449 Creekside Circle, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke of Consent Agenda Item "208" and complimented Ms. Zynka Perez, Stormwater Utility Manager, Public Works Department; Mr. Brian Fields, P.E., City Engineer, Public Works Department and the City for their support of this project. Deputy Mayor Michael S. Blake said to Ms. Pierson, "The project wouldn't be happening ifit weren't for the participation of the homeowners, so you folks need to be commended as well." Mr. Edward Martinez, Jr., 208 Little Creek Lane, Winter Springs, Florida: was recognized as a former City Commissioner, and stated that along "State Road 434 - the sidewalk and the public areas along the sidewalk are filthy and they are like that everyday." Mr. Martinez added, "There is a lot of loose rock - by the curb along the bridge and sometimes when the cars hit those rocks they fly and they could injure somebody." Mr. Martinez also noted that the Town Center Code should be adhered to and did not want seventy-five foot (75') buildings in the Town Center. Regarding Mr. Martinez' comments, Mayor Bush said to Mr. Kip Lockcuff, P.E., Director, Public Works/Utility Department, "You are talking Tuskawilla Road east... Mr. Lockcuff noted, ". .. We could look at our Mowing Contractor, see if they could pick up some debris." .:..:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ARE NOT NECESSARILY DOCUMENTED IN THE ORDER THEY WERE DISCUSSED. .:. .:. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 3 OF 39 CONSENT AGENDA CONSENT 200. Fire Department Requesting Municipal Adoption Of The "National Incident Management System" By Resolution Number 2005-33. No discussion. CONSENT 201. Parks And Recreation Department Requesting The City Commission To Authorize The City Manager To Apply For A Recreational Development Assistance Program Grant For Trotwood Park On Behalf Of The City Of Winter Springs. Commissioner Robert S. Miller suggested, "That Staff go to some of the residents that might be impacted by this around the Park and make absolutely sure that they are aware of what is going to happen." Mr. Chuck Pula, Director, Parks and Recreation Department stated, "Yes, that is our plan." Deputy Mayor Blake said, "I think it would be appropriate if we at least made a mail notification of each of those property owners that are adjacent to the park." Deputy Mayor Blake added, "If it is across the street, I do not know if I am as concerned." Deputy Mayor Blake then said, "If we could notify those folks along Trotwood, I think it will end up saving us an awful lot of time and probably a lot of money too." Mayor Bush asked the City Commission, "Is the Commission in agreement with Commissioner Blake's recommendation to mail to contiguous properties?" Commissioner Gilmore said, "Yes." Commissioner McGinnis nodded in agreement. No objections were noted. CONSENT 202. Information Services Department Requests Authorization To Dispose Of Surplus Assets According To The Attached Disposition Sheets. This Agenda Item was not discussed. CONSENT 203. Finance Department Requesting The City Commission Consider The Adoption Of Resolution [Number] 2005-30, Relating To The Oak Forest Wall And Beautification Assessment Area. There was no discussion on this Agenda Item. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 4 OF 39 CONSENT 204. Finance Department Requesting The City Commission Adopt Resolution [Number] 2005-31, Relating To The Tuscawilla Lighting And Beautification Assessment Area. No discussion. CONSENT 205. Police Department Requesting To Sell A Surplus 1999 Ford Crown Victoria With 94,000 Miles To The Seminole Community College Criminal Justice Program. There was no discussion on this Agenda Item. CONSENT 206. Office Of The City Clerk Requests That The City Commission Ratify Retaining Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore As The City Of Winter Springs' Representative To The South Seminole And North Orange County Wastewater Transmission Authority. Brief discussion. CONSENT 207. Public Works Department And The Office Of The City Attorney Recommends That The City Commission Approve A Unity Of Title Agreement Unifying Ten (10) Parcels Of Property As One (1) For The Development Of The City's Public Works Compound. No discussion. CONSENT 208. Public Works Department - Stormwater Division Requests Authority From The City Commission To Enter Into An Agreement With MSE Systems To Provide Emergency Construction Services For The Erosion Control And Bank Stabilization Improvements At Howell Creek Located At The Properties 1447 To 1451 Creekside Circle In The Amount Of $47,738.30. There was no discussion on this Agenda Item. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 5 OF 39 CONSENT 209. Office Of The City Clerk Requesting Approval Of The August 8, 2005 Regular City Commission Meeting Minutes. This Agenda Item was not discussed. CONSENT 210. Office Of The City Manager Requesting The City Commission Authorize A Revision To The Sale Of 124 Rhoden Lane Approved By The [City] Commission On May 9, 2005 Regular Agenda Item 514 (Add-On). Deputy Mayor Blake said, "Request to take '210' off for separate consideration." "MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA, MINUS '210'." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE. DISCUSSION. VOTE: COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE MOTION CARRIED. .:..:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING INFORMATIONAL AGENDA ITEMS ARE NOT NECESSARILY DOCUMENTED IN THE ORDER THEY WERE DISCUSSED. .:. .:. INFORMATIONAL AGENDA INFORMATIONAL 300. Community Development Department Advising The City Commission Of The Status Of Various Current Planning Projects. Commissioner Donald A. Gilmore said, "I noticed on '300', the nice map again and the Town Center layout, John [Baker, AICP, Senior Planner, Community Development Department], thank you." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 6 OF 39 IN FORMA TIONAL 301. Public Works Department Advising The City Commission Of The Status Of The S.R. (State Road) 434 Access Management (Village Walk) Project. Discussion ensued with Mr. Kip Lockcuff. Commissioner Miller in speaking of the tree issue stated, "From what I understand, the State is going to put in whatever they put in; and then we are going to add additional trees." Mr. Lockcuffthen said, "I don't think we've got formal direction for me to spend that money on the trees yet." Commissioner Miller commented, "I would like to make sure that comes back at the next - not later than the end of September..." Mr. Lockcuff said, "...Okay...." Commissioner Miller continued, "...As an Item - and also, are we going to have the money to do this?" Commissioner Sally McGinnis noted that "The weeds have a tendency to get out of control - keep an eye on it." Mr. Lockcuff asked, "The medians, you're talking about?" Commissioner McGinnis said, "Yes. The medians are considered as part of the [State Road] 434 enhancement, and I think we should do that." Mayor Bush said, "Is there a Consensus to bring the landscaping plans for [State Road] 434 for the Commission in September - yes - by the second Meeting?" No objections were noted. "MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. MAYOR BUSH SAID, "MOTION TO APPROVE THE INFORMATIONAL AGENDA BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE." DISCUSSION. VOTE: DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE MOTION CARRIED. .:..:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING SPECIAL PRESENT A TION WAS HELD AT THIS TIME. .:. .:. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 7 OF 39 AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS AWARDS AND PRESENT A nONS ADD-ON 100. Office Of The Mayor Presentation From "Bruster's Ice Cream". Mr. Ayube (Benson) Kahn, of Bruster's Ice Cream presented complimentary samples of Ice Cream to those in attendance, in honor of his new store opening on State Road 434. Mayor Bush called a Recess at 7:08 p.m. The Meeting reconvened at 7:21 p.m. PUBLIC HEARINGS AGENDA PUBLIC HEARINGS 400. Community Development Department - Planning Division Requests The City Commission Hold A Public Hearing For First Reading Of Ordinance [Number] 2005-20, Adopting A Small Scale FLUM [Future Land Use Map] Amendment Changing The Future Land Use Map Designation Of A 5.13 Acre Parcel, Located At 820 S.R. (State Road) 434, From (Seminole County) "Suburban Estates" And "Conservation" To (City Of Winter Springs) "Commercial" And "Conservation Overlay" (On Those Affected Areas). Mayor Bush said, "Can we have a Motion to read by 'Title' only?" "SO MOYED." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. DISCUSSION. YOTE: COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Attorney Garganese read the Ordinance by "Title" only. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITV COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 8 OF 39 Ms. Eloise Sahlstrom, ASLA, AICP, Senior Planner, Community Development Department introduced this Agenda Item. Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item. No one spoke. Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item. "MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION. VOTE: COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE MOTION CARRIED. .:..:. AGENDA NOTE: ANOTHER PUBLIC INPUT SESSION WAS HELD NEXT, FOLLOWED BY THE REMAINING AGENDA ITEMS. .:..:. PUBLIC INPUT No one spoke. PUBLIC HEARINGS 401. Community Development Department - Planning Division Requests The City Commission Hold A Public Hearing For First Reading On Ordinance [Number] 2005-21 Which Rezones 5.13 Acres (More Or Less), Located At 820 S.R. (State Road) 434 From "A-I" Agricultural (Seminole County) To "C-l Neighborhood Commercial" (City Of Winter Springs). Mayor Bush said, "Can we have a Motion to read by 'Title' only?" "SO MOVED." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE. DISCUSSION. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETfNG - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 9 OF 39 VOTE: COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Attorney Garganese read the Ordinance by "Title" only. Ms. Sahlstrom commented on this Agenda Item. Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item. No one spoke. Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item. Discussion. "MOTION TO MOVE ITEM '401' TO A SECOND READING." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION. VOTE: COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE DEPUTYMAYORBLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE MOTION CARRIED. PUBLIC HEARINGS 402.1 Community Development Department - Planning Division Requests That The Commission Hold A Public Hearing For The Aesthetic Review Of The JDC Town Center Building 4. As noted under Agenda Changes, this Agenda Item was pulled. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 10 OF 39 PUBLIC HEARINGS 402.2 Community Development Department - Planning Division Requests That The Commission Hold A Public Hearing For The Conceptual Review Of The JDC Town Center Building 17. This Agenda Item also was pulled. PUBLIC HEARINGS 403. Community Development Department - Planning Division And Office Of The City Attorney Requests The City Commission Hold A Public Hearing For Second Reading/Adoption Of Ordinance [Number] 2005-23, Amending Chapter 9 Of The City Code As It Relates To The Subdivision Process. Also noted under Agenda Changes, this Agenda Item was pulled. PUBLIC HEARINGS 404. Community Development Department Recommends The City Commission Hear The Request For A Waiver From Section 6-86., By Way Of Subsection 20-354. (d) (7), Of The City Code Of Ordinances, To Allow An Addition To An Existing Residence At 759 N. (North) Gretna Court (Lot 8, The Highlands Section 8, As Recorded In Plat Book 19, Page 44). Mr. Baker spoke on this Agenda Item. Tape I/Side B Discussion. "I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM '404'." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. DISCUSSION. Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item. No one spoke. Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE I I OF 39 VOTE: COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE MOTION CARRIED. PUBLIC HEARINGS 405. Community Development Department Requests The City Commission Consider A Waiver Request By Mansour "Max" Sabeti, Of Metropolis Homes, From Subsection 20-234. (4) To Allow Him To Proceed With Plans To Construct Residential Condominium Units On 9.1 Acres Within The C-l Zoning District (Site Is Behind The Bank Of America, With Frontage On Both SR (State Road) 434 And Moss Road) Without Providing The Requisite 2 Garaged Automobile Parking Spaces For Each Unit. Mr. Randy Stevenson, ASLA, Director, Community Development Department presented this Agenda Item. Photographs of the project were displayed. Mr. Mansour "Max" Sabeti, Metropolis Homes, 128 East Colonial Drive, Orlando, Florida: addressed the City Commission and stated, "To satisfy the minimum Waiver requirements is that we have offered to have one (1) exclusive carport per unit, so it would be covered parking. It would provide some storage that goes with it, and then the balance of the parking spaces will be available for either second cars or for the visitors." Commissioner McGinnis said, "You have only provided really two (2) - spaces per unit, assuming that any of those units will have two (2) cars. I don't think you have got enough for allowing for that and guest parking." Commissioner McGinnis added, "I do not have problems with no garages." Commissioner McGinnis then said, "If you could possibly look at this again and come up with some extra spots that could accommodate that. " Mr. Sabeti said, "Commissioner, you are right in that there could be households that would have more than one (1) car. The type of product that we have, I think it's a good product in the way of amenities that it offers. These are three (3) story concrete buildings, it's concrete block all the way from the floor, all the way up pre-stressed slabs. So, from the standpoint of maintenance and upkeep and so on, it is going to be very effective over the years. The size of the units, however the amenity package - floor plans to show you, a good size master bedroom, eleven [foot] (11') by fifteen [foot] (15') in one and eleven [foot] (11 ') by 17 [foot] (17') in the other one; and walk in closets; double vanities; nine foot (9') - ceiling heights." r-- CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 12 OF 39 Mr. Sabeti added, "The size of the units are not that large, I mean they are a thousand square feet in a two (2) bedroom unit and about twelve hundred (1200) square feet in a three (3) bedroom unit. The three (3) bedroom unit really kind of allows for the third bedroom to be used as a den. The floor plan is set up so that it could be convertible." Mr. Sabeti also noted, "It is security gated; it does have a pool; it has a fitness center; it has a jogging path around the pond area; it has a fountain." Commissioner Joanne M. Krebs said, "Unbeknownst - to you, there was a change in parking space requirements. What did you think they were?" Mr. Sabeti said, "We came up with basically a three (3) story building and we presented it to this body. At that time, the issue of covered parking did not even come to bear because it wasn't something that this body or the City was sensitive to. So, that issue was not addressed. I mean at that point, we did not even plan to have, you know any kind of a - covered space. So, we proceeded, once we got our PUD [Planned Unit Development] approved, we proceeded with our plans and, as you know - it takes a long time to get the soil reports, environmental reports, and traffic studies, and surveying, and engineering, we finally were able to submit our plans in April of 2005 and it wasn't until a month later that when the Staff comments came back, we realized that there was a change about three (3) months after we got our Conceptual Plan approval for the PUD [Planned Unit Development] that required - two (2) garage spaces per unit within the Commercial District. So that was kind of the history, I mean we thought that it was two (2) units per space and it didn't really matter when we came to the conceptual and were informed by the Staff that.. ." Commissioner Krebs asked, "... So, you just found out that they were covered?" Mr. Sabeti said, "That's right." Further discussion ensued with Manager McLemore and Mr. Fields on the issue of parking standards and requirements. Commissioner Krebs inquired, "Where is there overflow parking?" Then, regarding the parking criteria, Commissioner Krebs stated, "Where is the supporting information for this; and I really would like to see supporting information for that." With disc.ussion, Manager McLemore said, "Two (2) per unit is a very good standard." Commissioner Miller asked, "What is the total number of parking spaces that are going to be on this property?" Commissioner Miller then stated, "One hundred and sixty eight? Is that it?" Mr. Stevenson said, "That's correct." Commissioner Miller remarked, "And - eighty four (84) units will be under roof? And there was some comment made about storage area?" Mr. Stevenson said, "I believe they will be under a sheltered roof, it will not be an enclosed garage." Next, Commissioner Miller asked, "Where is the storage space?" Mr. Sabeti said, "Part of the back of the carport is going to be a storage facility where somebody can potentially store something. It is not a huge space, it is a small space." Commissioner Miller said, "So, it will be like a cabinet on the back wall with doors on it - and the hood of the car would go under the cabinet." Mr. Sabeti said, "This one actually goes from the ground all the way up to the height of the trusses." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 13 OF 39 Furthermore, Commissioner Miller asked, "Why were we not provided with a copy of the layout? This plan originally came before us - April 2004. I am a little bit uncomfortable without being able to look at the actual layout." Mr. Stevenson said, "I don't believe Staff at this point has the latest Site Plan." Commissioner Miller said, "I think it will be very useful to us to be able to see what he is talking about because Commissioner Krebs has brought up the point about the place not becoming a parking garage on weekends when they have visitors coming in." With discussion on the Conceptual Plan, Mr. Sabeti said, "We have a storage area per unit, we have a carport per unit." Mr. Sabeti said, "Had we gone ahead and made these two (2) car garages potentially, I think the impact on the building would be not as pleasant as it is now where you do have some spaces where potentially you could have some plants and trees." Discussion. Commissioner Miller asked, "Is this whole building - is that separate from the main building?" Mr. Sabeti said, "Yes." Commissioner Miller said, "So, it is actually going to be separated completely and there will be a walkway behind it?" Mr. Sabeti noted, "That's correct." Discussion. With further discussion on parking spaces, Commissioner Miller stated, "One hundred and sixty eight (168)?" Mr. Sabeti said, "Yes." Further discussion ensued. Tape 2/Side A Commissioner Miller asked, "Staff, were we shown a Site Plan or was it - the proposed layout of the buildings on the property, I thought. Am I incorrect?" Mr. Baker said, "I am not sure what we brought at that time, but we do have a previous plan that showed a possible - townhome development that had residential all the way out to [State Road] 434." Commissioner Miller said, "My concern tonight Commissioners, is that this is not what I remember." Manager McLemore said, "I don't remember if the original plan showed the townhomes coming up to [State Road] 434 or not..." Commissioner Miller said, "... It did not." Manager McLemore continued, "...But what I do remember is we requested that that not be residential on [State Road] 434 for the obvious reasons." Commissioner Miller said, "We are now looking at a parking issue and all of this is brand new to me. As I said, I do not have any objections to this, but I would like to see this maybe Tabled to another Meeting and have all the original - come back and then let us get to the point on how we got to the current layout." Discussion. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 14 OF 39 Commissioner Gilmore stated, "I think that it is absurd for us to even consider this without looking at the entire project, all of the parking." Furthermore, Commissioner Gilmore said, "I think we need to have this - come back with a drawing showing all of the units. Let us see what those units look like and the associated parking and all of the amenities for the development." Commissioner Krebs asked, "Does this project have a pool and a clubhouse? How big is the pool and how big is the clubhouse?" Mr. Sabeti said, "We have not signed any contracts in relation to the pool or the clubhouse at this point, as to the specific layout and the specific size of the pool, or the specific size of the clubhouse. We do have a Conceptual - developed an initial Conceptual Plan as to how a clubhouse building would look like and that's the way we had envisioned it to look again going with that neo- traditional theme." Mr. Sabeti further noted, "The Site Plan that we have sent forth - general guidelines - twenty [foot] by forty [foot] (20' x 40') pool and then space that is somewhere around six hundred (600) square feet which is basically a fitness room which would have exercise facilities in it. However again, that issue is open for discussion. If that is a consideration or a concern, that certainly is subject to change as you know some concerns have come up and you would like to have the additional time and if you need to propose something in more detail, the latest plan that we have submitted and address some of the issues, we would be prepared to do that." Referencing a comment made by Chairman Tom Waters from the Board of Adjustment Meeting of July 21, 2005 pertaining to a garage per facility, Commissioner Krebs noted, "So you are talking about an enclosed garage, are you not?" Mr. Sabeti said, "Yes." Commissioner Krebs said, "I see here that your preference is not to do that, but potentially, it is plausible." Discussion. Mr. Stevenson said, "This would still need to come back before you with the final layout if in fact the Waiver is approved." Mr. Stevenson added, "This is a step in the process. The Final Plans will still come back before this Commission." Deputy Mayor Blake said, "This is a Public Hearing, an application for a - Waiver - but I wonder why this isn't a Variance?" Deputy Mayor Blake said, "I might suggest that the Commission poll themselves and really find out, is it a really big issue as to whether or not there are two (2) garage spaces or one (1) carport and one (1) flex parking as long as the criteria of a quality development, one that will improve the neighborhood; one that will be a catalyst for the surrounding properties; and one that will provide sufficient parking for whatever the density of development is on - there ought to be, so that we do not have parking issues." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 15 OF 39 With further discussion, Deputy Mayor Blake suggested that "We Table the question on this Waiver application tonight but ask the Applicant to bring back the project overall for us with an understanding that the Commission is not opposed to a Waiver to the two (2) car garage requirement (the garage requirement with two (2) cars per unit requirement) - if the Site is designed appropriately to handle all the other issues that we have discussed." Commissioner McGinnis said, "I support that." Commissioner Miller said, "I can't tell you how many times we have seen a Site Plan come in - everybody said 'Okay, fine' and then it came back later and it was completely different and then we were told, 'Well, you know, the man has already got Engineering, he has got architectural work, he has got a Contract, he has got',.." Discussion. Mayor Bush said, "Commissioner [Miller], I totally agree with you. I think that Staff by now ought to realize that anything that has parking on it, you had better bring the whole project up here." Discussion. Manager McLemore said, "In your Motion, you would put back in there to bring back the old Site Plan and you may want to just think about taking all those sections out of your Code that says anything about Preliminary Plans, sketch plans." Commissioner McGinnis said, "It has been a year and it is just obvious that we cannot recall exactly what you submitted a year ago - I have no problems with waiving for a two (2) car garage." Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item. No one spoke. Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item. "I WOULD LIKE TO DELAY THE DECISION ON THE WAIVER APPLICA TION BY CONTINUING IT TO A FUTURE MEETING, INCORPORATING ALL OF THE DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC COMMENT AVAILABLE THIS EVENING, WITH A REQUEST THAT THE DEVELOPER BRING BACK TO US THE REVISED PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN WITH THE PARKING SOLUTION AS REQUESTED; AT WHICH TIME THE COMMISSION WILL BE ABLE TO ACT UPON THE SITE PLAN AS IT STANDS WITH THE PARKING ISSUE TAKEN - INTO CONSIDERATION ALL OF THE CRITERIA FOR THIS CHALLENGED LOT." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. DISCUSSION. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 16 OF 39 COMMISSIONER KREBS SAID, "DOES THAT INCLUDE THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT WITH THE SINGLE CAR COVERED GARAGE?" DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE SAID, "I DID NOT DISCUSS THAT." DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE FURTHER NOTED, "WHAT I DISCUSSED AND WHAT THE MOTION INCLUDES - ALL OF THE DISCUSSION THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE THIS EVENING - I WOULD LIKE FOR THE APPLICANT TO BE ABLE TO REASONABLY RELY ON THE INTENT OF THIS COMMISSION TO NOT HOLD HIM TO THE TWO CAR - GARAGES PER UNIT PROVIDED THAT A SUITABLE SOLUTION FOR PARKING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE IS PROVIDED." COMMISSIONER GILMORE ADDED, "I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE SOME VIEWS LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT FROM GROUND LEVEL - FROM THIS DIRECTION AND FROM THIS DIRECTION AND SHOW WHAT THESE CARPORT COVERS WILL LOOK LIKE..." DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE ADDED, "...THAT IS A GOOD POINT..." COMMISSIONER GILMORE CONTINUED, "...ON THE SITE." VOTE: COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE MOTION CARRIED. PUBLIC HEARINGS 406. Community Development Department Presents To The [City] Commission, The First Reading Of Ordinance Number 2005-27 Which Will Vacate And Abandon The West 5 Foot Wide Portion Of A 50 Foot Wide Drainage And Utility Easement, Located Adjacent To And Across The East Side Of Lot 180, Oak Forest Unit II-B (PB (Plat Book) 26, Pages 85, 86)). Mr. Baker introduced this Agenda Item. Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item. No one spoke. Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 17 OF 39 Discussion ensued with Mr. Lockcuff. "MOTION TO READ BY 'TITLE' ONLY." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. MAYOR BUSH SAID, "SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE." DISCUSSION. VOTE: DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Attorney Garganese read the Ordinance by "Title" only. Discussion. "MOTION TO APPROVE - MOVE TO SECOND READING." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. MAYOR BUSH STATED, "SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER." DISCUSSION. VOTE: COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE MOTION CARRIED. PUBLIC HEARINGS 407. Office Of The City Attorney Presents Ordinance Number 2005-28 For First Reading Which Proposes To Adopt A New Ten (10) Year Cable Franchise Agreement With Bright House Networks, LLC. Mayor Bush said, "Can we have a Motion to read by 'Title' only?" "SO MOVED." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. MAYOR BUSH SAID, "SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE." DISCUSSION. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 18 OF 39 VOTE: COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Attorney Garganese read the Ordinance by "Title" only. Mayor Bush opened the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item. No one spoke. Mayor Bush closed the "Public Input" portion of the Agenda Item. Ms. Dianne Pickett Culpepper, Vice President Public Affairs and Government Relations, Bright House Networks, 2251 Lucien Way, Maitland, Florida: introduced her colleagues Mr. Michel Champagne and Mr. Steve Luba. With discussion on what Seminole County has planned, Ms. Culpepper said, "They are considering some funding for their government channel; and under cable franchising law, that would be a direct pass-through item to the customer. It is a line item on their bill, and by action of the governmental entity they could impose that kind of fee which would appear as a line item on the bill and that is exactly what is taking place in Orange County. However, that pass-through fee only applies to residents of unincorporated residents of Orange County or in the case of Seminole County, it would apply to the unincorporated residents of Seminole County to fund the Seminole County Government Channel." With further discussion, Commissioner Gilmore stated, "I have a suspicion that these are combinations of social security numbers, birth dates and things like that, is this true? Ms. Culpepper said, "No." Mr. Michel Champagne, Vice President, Operations, Bright House Networks, Vice President Public Affairs and Government Relations, 2251 Lucien Way, Maitland, Florida: said, "There is no personal reference in that account number. The account number is assigned by the billing system. The only thing that is identifiable in that account number is location." Commissioner Gilmore said, "So, there - no reason - privacy, that you are letting out numbers like that." Ms. Culpepper said, "Absolutely not." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 19 OF 39 Also referencing page 26, Commissioner McGinnis said, "Some customers in Winter Springs would not receive government access channel due to the fact of technical design. Well, you already know how many now don't you? Correct?" Ms. Culpepper said, "In order to get that number for you, I'd have to ask Michel's [Champagne] staff to go through - to see how many customers actually fall within the - City limits." Commissioner McGinnis asked, "How many cities broadcast their meetings in Seminole County?" Tape 2/Side B Ms. Culpepper responded, "Lake Mary, Altamonte Springs and Oviedo." Ms. Culpepper added, "When Seminole County came online, we provided those cities with a switch so they too can have the opportunity to view Seminole County Government channels if they choose to do that." Discussion followed on the logistics and the "switch", to which Ms. Culpepper said, "We usually try to find a place in City Hall that is convenient, that can be secure that the City Staff takes responsibility - we work with the City Manager on a location and provide you the opportunity to actually switch off Seminole Government TV and switch on to your local feed." Ms. Culpepper then noted, "It is a financial cost to us because we have to run the fiber that will provide a live feed going out of here, not just delivering a cable picture to you here in City Hall, which you already have a connection, but we have to build fiber from your City Hall to feed back to our head-in - a building that contains electronics that helps the system to function." Commissioner McGinnis said, "But we would have to pay it?" Ms. Culpepper said, "No. We would take care of that - we build the fiber and provide the switch." With discussion, Commissioner McGinnis said, "And there's a guarantee that there is no editorializing?" Ms. Culpepper stated, "We don't." Furthermore, Ms. Culpepper noted, "There is a company that I had recommended to the City of Lake Mary and also the City of Oviedo, that I have no interest in this company at all, I just know that they have worked with another City and - they come in and bring their cameras and put on your live City Commission Meetings and provide you with the tape that you could then send to Seminole County government. It is fairly reasonable per Meeting and I would be happy to provide City Staff or whoever you care for me to provide that information - the name and phone number of that company and you can be in touch with them." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 20 OF 39 Deputy Mayor Blake asked, "I did not - notice whether or not there were any requirement for the access channel to be in a certain area of the channel spectrum that you offer? What I am really looking at here is to make sure it is not in the super premium high definition area so that it is limited to - in terms of which portion of our population might be able to have access to it." Ms. Culpepper stated, "Under the FCC [Federal Communications Commission] Regulations, the Government Access channel is designated to be in the 'Basic' here..." Deputy Mayor Blake said, "...Okay good..." Ms. Culpepper added, "...And currently we have that on Channel 9." Regarding the noted name changes of Bright House networks, Deputy Mayor Blake referenced Section 7.1. Ms. Culpepper said, "Some of the name changes are changes in the organizational structure under Time Warner." Deputy Mayor Blake asked, "My real concern is in the language of the Agreement that says that - this Franchise shall be sold." Additionally, Deputy Mayor Blake said, "If we are going to have a Franchise Agreement, then we want Right of Refusal in the event..." Ms. Culpepper said, ".. . Absolutely... " Deputy Mayor Blake continued, "... Of any ownership or control changes." Deputy Mayor Blake added, "We want to make sure we have to ratify any transaction that might occur." Ms. Culpepper said, "I will definitely mark that for review with the Attorney." With discussion ensued on viewers and government access channels, Commissioner Krebs suggested, "Why don't we - on our next Newsletter send a survey, and not only will we find out how many people read the Newsletter, but we will send them to our Website, we will find out how many really want to use the Website, and on the Website they can Vote - give us an opinion." Mayor Bush asked, "Are there any provisions - on addressing those kind of issues when the cable is out through a disaster and what efforts does Bright House [Networks] take - to try to get this back up?" Ms. Culpepper said, "Let me just state for the record that the Cable Ordinance only deals with cable services and both the FCC [Federal Communications Commission] and actually the Supreme Court - that internet services are separate and not regulated under cable. But, to address - the issue of us trying to get our customers back up and running, absolutely, that is a high priority." Discussion followed on Bright House Networks' emergency procedures, to which Mayor Bush said, "What I would like to recommend, Progress Energy did this and it was very effective is that they provided us with a phone number that we could call them." Ms. Culpepper said, "We would be more than happy to provide that." Discussion. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 21 OF 39 Commissioner Krebs asked, "What is your average turnaround time non-emergency?" Mr. Steve Luba, Public Affairs Manager, Bright House Networks, Vice President Public Affairs and Government Relations, 2251 Lucien Way, Maitland, Florida: said, "Over ninety percent (90%) of the cases, it is same day, sometimes we do have to carryover the next day if your service is out. If you are having an issue with your service, typically it is within forty-eight (48) hours." "I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE ORDINANCE 2005-28 TO A SECOND READING INCORPORATING THE CHANGES STATED EARLIER." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE. MAYOR BUSH SAID, "SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE." DISCUSSION. VOTE: COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Mayor Bush called a Recess at 9:26 p.m. Mayor Bush called the Meeting back to order at 9:40 p.m. .:..:. THE FOLLOWING AGENDA ITEM WAS REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA EARLIER IN THIS MEETING AND DISCUSSED NEXT, FOLLOWED BY THE REST OF THE AGENDA, AS DOCUMENTED. .:. .:. (FORMERL Y LISTED ON THE "CONSENT" AGENDA AS CONSENT AGENDA ITEM "210") Office Of The City Manager Requesting The City Commission Authorize A Revision To The Sale Of 124 Rhoden Lane Approved By The [City] Commission On May 9, 2005 Regular Agenda Item 514 (Add-On). Deputy Mayor Blake returned to the Commission Chambers at 9:41 p.m. Manager McLemore in his opening remarks said, "To make sure that there was something on the record with you and that is - a piece of new information we had later this afternoon that deals with the appraised value of these properties." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 22 OF 39 Furthermore, Manager McLemore spoke of FHA [Federal Housing Administration] Appraisals and noted, "We had another Appraisal done and our Appraisal at that point in time was one hundred and seventeen thousand dollars ($117,000.00) for that unit." Manager McLemore then explained that "The Appraisal that was in hand at the point in time, we re-negotiated this Contract was an FHA [Federal Housing Administration] appraisal of ninety-seven thousand dollars ($97,000.00) and what we did was we negotiated basically halfway between the one hundred seventeen thousand [dollars] ($117,000.00) and the FHA [Federal Housing Administration] Appraisal and we came out to one hundred and two thousand dollars ($102,000.00)." Discussion. "I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT THE COMMISSION MAKE A FINDING THAT THE ONE HUNDRED AND TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS ($102,000.00) DOES MEET FAIR MARKET APPRAISAL AND AGREE TO ENTER INTO THE CONTRACT AS STATED FOR ONE HUNDRED AND TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS ($102,000.00) LESS THE - DISCOUNTS THAT - FOR PAST RENT THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY AGREED TO DO." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE. MAYOR BUSH SAID, "SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS." DISCUSSION. VOTE: DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE MOTION CARRIED. REGULAR AGENDA REGULAR 500. Office Of The City Manager Requesting The City Commission To Approve An Interlocal Agreement With The City Of Longwood Establishing A US Highway 17-92 Municipal Service Area. Discussion. Commissioner Krebs left the dais at 9:51 p.m. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 23 OF 39 "I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM '500'." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. DISCUSSION. VOTE: COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE (VOICE VOTE AUDIBLE TO MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION AND THE CITY CLERK) MOTION CARRIED. REGULAR 501. Community Development Department - Planning Division Requests The Commission Consider A Fin Sign For MacDonald's Eye Care Located In The Town Center (In The Medical Building Immediately To The West Of City Hall). Ms. Sahlstrom presented this Agenda Item. Commissioner Krebs returned to the dais at 9:56 p.m. Tape 3/Side A Discussion ensued on the proposed signage location and related dimensions. Deputy Mayor Blake said, "We should have Plans." Furthermore, Deputy Mayor Blake noted, "This discussion illustrates the information that we should have when approving an Application of this sort." Ms. Sahlstrom noted, "You're correct." Discussion. "I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT AS THE COMMISSION SITS HERE AS THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT WE APPROVE THE 'FIN' SIGN AS PRESENTED AND ITS DIMENSIONS AS PRESENTED, WHERE THE TOP OF IT DOES NOT EXCEED THE TOP OF THIS BORDER THAT I AM POINTING AT. FOR THE RECORD, IT APPEARS TO BE APPROXIMATELY FIFTEEN FEET (15') ABOVE GRADE, BUT IT IS THE CONCRETE BAND THAT IS ABOVE THE BRICK BUT BELOW THE STUCCO." DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE CONTINUED, "MAY NOT EXCEED THE TOP OF THE LOWER CORNICE." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22,2005 PAGE 24 OF 39 Ms. Robin MacDonald, 1122 West State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida: commented on the signage location being proposed by the City Commission. VOTE: DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE MOTION CARRIED. REGULAR 502. Community Development Department Requests That The Commission Approve The International Office Plaza (Moss Road International Office) Final Subdivision Plat, And Authorize Its Recordation, Subject To The City Attorney's Review And Comments. Mr. Baker introduced this Agenda Item. Discussion. "MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. MAYOR BUSH SAID, "SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE." DISCUSSION. "I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WE TABLE THIS ITEM." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION. VOTE: COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Note: This Agenda Item was discussed further in the Meeting as documented on page 27 of these Minutes. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 25 OF 39 REGULAR 503. Office Of The City Manager Requesting The City Commission To Award UnumProvident The Rights To Offer Workplace Voluntary Benefits For City Employees. Manager McLemore introduced this Agenda Item for discussion. Deputy Mayor Blake said, "About the issue of Voluntary Benefits, and how they tend to be oversold in the marketplace; we ought to take affirmative steps to make sure that that doesn't happen here." Deputy Mayor Blake added, "How did that happen?" Manager McLemore stated, "We are taking corrective action." Deputy Mayor Blake noted, "I consider this to be very serious and 1 would hope that corrective action is taken and we need to make sure that does not happen again." Manager McLemore added, "We need to get that General Services person on board and we're trying very hard; and that will happen soon." Ms. Fluffy Bellus, Bellus Insurance Services, 1251 Miller Avenue, #B, Winter Park, Florida: addressed the City Commission on this Agenda Item. Discussion. "I MAKE A MOTION WE ADOPT ALTERNATIVE 'A.'." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE. MAYOR BUSH SAID, "SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS." DISCUSSION. VOTE: COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Deputy Mayor Blake added, "I think it might be appropriate, 1 don't know if that was the right scenario to use or not, a hour's pay worth or rate - threshold; but 1 would expect that some real control be put into place." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 26 OF 39 REGULAR 504. Community Development Department Requests The Commission Consider A Conceptual Development Plan For A 2- Phase, 79,000 Square Foot Office Development On 9.17 Acres In The Tuscawilla Planned Unit Development (PUD), Located On The South Side Of SR (State Road) 434, Immediately Adjacent To The East Side Of The Hess Station, Located At The Intersection Of S.R. (State Road) 434 And Vistawilla Drive. Mr. Baker introduced this Agenda Item. With discussion, Commissioner Miller said, "I am wondering if we need to discuss the parking, Ron [McLemore] - at some point, because it is just a huge parking lot - it is just all asphalt. And if that is the only way we can have two (2) office buildings then so be it, but 1 think we need to look seriously at some alternative." Tape 3/Side B Further discussion. COMMISSIONER McGINNIS SAID, "AREN'T YOU GOING TO DO A PARKING STUDY ANYWAY?" MR. BAKER SAID, "THAT WILL BE PART OF THE SITE PLAN REVIEW." "I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM '504' RELATIVE TO THE SETBACK FROM THE [STATE ROAD] 434 RIGHT OF WAY." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE. SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE. DISCUSSION. "I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT THAT WE CONSIDER OR HAVE THE DEVELOPER - LOOK INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF A PARKING GARAGE ON THE SITE THAT WOULD FREE UP A LOT OF THE AREA AS PART OF HIS PARKING CONCEPT STUDY." AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION. VOTE: (ON THE AMENDMENT) DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: NAY COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE MOTION CARRIED. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 27 OF 39 VOTE: (ON THE MOTION, AS AMENDED) COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: NAY COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Mayor Bush said, "Need a Motion to extend the Meeting." "SO MOVED." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE. COMMISSIONER McGINNIS ADDED, "ONE HOUR." DISCUSSION. VOTE: COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE MOTION CARRIED. .:..:. THE FOLLOWING AGENDA ITEM WAS AGAIN DISCUSSED FROM EARLIER IN THIS MEETING. THE REMAINING AGENDA ITEMS FOLLOW. .:. .:. Note: This Agenda Item was previously discussed during this Meeting, as documented on page 24 of these Minutes. REGULAR REGULAR 502. Community Development Department Requests That The Commission Approve The International Office Plaza (Moss Road International Office) Final Subdivision Plat, And Authorize Its Recordation, Subject To The City Attorney's Review And Comments. "MOTION TO TAKE '502' OFF THE TABLE." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. DISCUSSION. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 28 OF 39 VOTE: COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Discussion ensued on the Motion on the floor, from when the Agenda Item was discussed earlier in the Meeting. VOTE: COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: NAY MOTION CARRIED. REGULAR 505. Office Of The City Clerk Requests The City Commission's Direction Regarding The Upcoming Performance Review For The City Clerk, As Requested By The City Commission At A Previous Meeting. Regarding this Agenda Item, Deputy Mayor Blake stated, "Our Policy that we hold the Manager's feet to the very, very, very warm fire on is that we like to review employees in the same year that they deserve one - ours is to do it right away, upon Anniversary Date. So it would be appropriate for the Clerk to have this information to us prior to considering the information on the second Meeting of September." Mayor Bush said to City Clerk, Andrea Lorenzo-Luaces, "You could probably get this to the Commission fairly soon?" City Clerk Lorenzo-Luaces then said, "Is there some particular format you want me to follow this year?" Deputy Mayor Blake stated, "Short." Deputy Mayor Blake added, "Tell us how much you think you deserve." Mayor Bush remarked, "Tell us what you did and how you did it." Mayor Bush then said, "The Commission would then review this at our second Meeting in September." Commissioner Krebs remarked, "Yes." Commissioner McGinnis said, "That is good." No objections were noted. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 29 OF 39 With discussion on salary, Deputy Mayor Blake noted, "We set the salary." Commissioner Gilmore then suggested, "It would be reasonable that we would have some data to tell us what are comparable salaries in the area and in comparable cities. Somebody has to give us that information." Mayor Bush commented, "She is worth more than anybody around." Commissioner Gilmore said to City Clerk Lorenzo-Luaces, "Is that reasonable for you to get that information for us?" City Clerk Lorenzo-Luaces commented, "I could have my Staff assist with that, if that is okay." Commissioner Gilmore said, "All right." REGULAR 506. Information Services Department Wishes To Obtain Clarification On Issues Relative To A Kiosk In City Hall Lobby. Discussion. "I MOVE THAT WE NOT PUT A KIOSK IN THE LOBBY AND THAT WE ASK JOANNE [DALKA, DIRECTOR, INFORMATION SERVICES DEPARTMENT] TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT COULD BE DONE IN THE FUTURE ON THE INTERNET - FROM HOME, BUT NOT A KIOSK IN THE LOBBY." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE. SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE. DISCUSSION. VOTE: COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: NAY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE MOTION CARRIED. REGULAR 507. Community Development Department - Planning Division Requests The City Commission Consider Changing The Floor Area Ratio In The Town Center From A 6.0 FAR [Floor Area Ratio] To A 2.0 FAR [Floor Area Ratio], In Response To Objections Raised In The State Of Florida Dept [Department] Of Community Affairs Objections, Recommendations And Comments Report Related To LS-CP A-05-05 (Ordinance [Number] 2005-07), LS-CP A-05-06 (Ordinance [Number] 2005-11) And LS-CPA-05-07 (Ordinance 2005-12), Received July 18, 2005. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 30 OF 39 "I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT A FLOOR AREA RATIO OF 2.0 IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND DIRECT STAFF TO TAKE WHATEVER STEPS ARE NECESSARY TO MAKE THAT CHANGE TO COMPL Y WITH THE - ORC [OBJECTIONS, RECOMMENDATIONS AND COMMENTS] REPORT. THE DATE STATED IN THE AGENDA ITEM." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. DISCUSSION. VOTE: COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE COMMISSIONER GILMORE: NAY COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE MOTION CARRIED. REGULAR 508. Not Used. REGULAR 509. Community Development Department Requests The City Commission Consider Final Engineering/Subdivision Plan And Associated Development Agreement For A 62 Unit Townhouse Development To Be Known As Harbor Winds. The Project Is Located On 14.99 Acres, On The North Side Of S.R. (State Road) 434, Just East Of Fountaintree Drive, Between The Winter Springs Golf Course And The Golf Terrace Apartments. Mr. Baker introduced this Agenda Item and pointed out, "There is one error that 1 would like to point out here - on page 2, the last paragraph under 'CONSIDERATIONS:', and a mistake there that is in error, they're okay with their landscaping so that issue is not pertinent. " Deputy Mayor Blake noted, "I had a meeting with Art Kosik, the Applicant from Morrison Homes." Commissioner McGinnis also noted, "I also had a meeting regarding the same thing." "I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM '509'." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE. DISCUSSION. CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 31 OF 39 VOTE: DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE MOTION CARRIED. REGULAR 510. Parks And Recreation Department Requesting The City Commission To Schedule The Official Grand Opening Of The Central Winds Park Expansion On Tuesday, September 13, [2005] Thursday, September 15, [2005] Tuesday, September 20, [2005] Or Thursday, September 22, 2005. Brief discussion ensued with Mr. Pula. On a suitable date for this Grand Opening, Mayor Bush asked, "Is the 15th [of September 2005] in agreement with everyone?" With brief discussion, Mayor Bush summarized that "It will be the 15th [of September 2005] at 6:00 p.m." Mayor Bush then said, "The 22nd [of September 2005] would be a rain date." Mayor Bush added, "6:00 p.m." REGULAR 511. Office Of The City Clerk Respectfully Requests That Mayor John F. Bush Make An Appointment To The Beautification Of Winter Springs Board. As noted under Agenda Changes, this Agenda Item was pulled. REGULAR 512. Public Works Department - Engineering Division Requests The City Commission Validate The Staff Recommendation Finding Bruster's Ice Cream To Be Built In Substantial Accordance With The Final Engineering Plans And To Accept The Potable Water And Sanitary Sewer Infrastructure For Ownership And Maintenance. Mr. Lockcuff presented this Agenda Item and stated, "The Commission would subsequently at a future City Commission Meeting, review, then release that Bond so that if you had any final input on the completion of the site, at that time, we could address that. " Tape 4/Side A CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 32 OF 39 "I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM '512' GIVING THE STAFF THE APPROVAL TO ISSUE THE C.o. [CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY] AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME, WHEN THEY HAVE COMPLETED THE WORK AND THEN WE WILL LATER SECOND THAT APPROVAL." MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GILMORE. MAYOR BUSH ADDED, "I THINK IT PROBABL Y SHOULD BE CONDITIONAL APPROVAL." COMMISSIONER GILMORE ADDED, "FINE." SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER McGINNIS. DISCUSSION. VOTE: DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE MOTION CARRIED. REGULAR 513. Parks And Recreation Department Requesting That The City Commission Consider Funding Of Shade Structures For Torcaso Park And The Dog Park And A Large Pavilion At Torcaso Park During The [Fiscal Year] 05/06 Budget Workshops. Mr. Pula and Members of the City Commission discussed various options related to shade structures and warranty periods. Deputy Mayor Blake suggested, "I would like to see some actual experience from some other entities that have used these things, in Florida." Deputy Mayor Blake added, "My preference would be to continue to evaluate and review alternative methods to provide shade." Commissioner McGinnis said, "I agree." Commissioner McGinnis added, "We were shown a picture - a floating dome?" Commissioner McGinnis noted, "If we could just explore - look at more options." Commissioner Krebs provided Mr. Pula with some brochures she had recently acquired. Mayor Bush said that the Consensus was, "We need more information and bring back more options. Bring back more pictures." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 33 OF 39 REPORTS REPORTS 600. Office Of The City Attorney - Anthony A. Garganese, Esquire No Report. REPORTS 601. Office Of The City Manager - Ronald W. McLemore Manager McLemore requested that his Report be given last. REPORTS 602. Office Of The City Clerk - Andrea Lorenzo-Luaces, CMC No Report. REPORTS 603. Office Of The Mayor - John F. Bush Mayor Bush stated that "Tomorrow at the County Commission they will be addressing our Resolution that we sent them on the Joint Planning Agreement." REPORTS 604. Commission Seat One - Robert S. Miller Commissioner Miller said to Mr. Lockcuff, "On Moss Road, about two-thirds the way down on the left side, did you ever find out what the Surveyor's were doing in there?" Discussion. Next, Commissioner Miller spoke for the Record about water account billing information becoming Public Record and stated, "It seems to me there is a lot of information that we are probably maintaining that we do not need to maintain, electronically or on paper or otherwise and 1 would like to see us look into that - in the area of the Water Billing and if there is some information that we do not need, that we just delete it from the records." Commissioner Miller added, "I feel very strongly we ought to have the Staff look through the billing system and find out if there is any superfluous information that we maintain, that we do not need to." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 34 OF 39 Discussion. Lastly, Commissioner Miller asked about the status of FEMA [Federal Emergency Management Agency] billing and whether we have received all of the monies. Brief discussion ensued with Manager McLemore. REPORTS 605. Commission Seat Two/Deputy Mayor - Michael S. Blake Deputy Mayor Blake spoke on the last Report that Commissioner Miller made and tracking down delinquent accounts. Deputy Mayor Blake then asked Manager McLemore about the status of the Trash Refuse Collection. REPORTS 606. Commission Seat Three - Donald A. Gilmore No Report. REPORTS 607. Commission Seat Four - Sally McGinnis Commissioner McGinnis mentioned that Altamonte Springs' Town Center is being called "Uptown Altamonte." REPORTS 608. Commission Seat Five - Joanne M. Krebs Commissioner Krebs asked about Ponds and the Lake Doctors Contract, and asked, "Is Oak Forest on there?" Mr. Fields remarked, "I can check on it tomorrow." Commissioner Krebs said, "Okay. Can you let me know?" Mr. Lockcuff said, "Sure." Mr. Fields added, "We will put it on there." With discussion on the Florida League of Cities Annual Conference and other Conferences attended by the City Clerk, Commissioner Krebs stated, "There are times when it is much easier and it saves time when somebody has a lot more work to do than being on the road - and doing it when you get home, which we know she does. And there were plenty of Clerks at this Meeting that stayed, so I was just wondering how the Commission felt about these types of Meetings, these conferences, and Andrea [Lorenzo- Luaces] staying at some of these Conferences overnight." Commissioner McGinnis stated, "I support that." Commissioner Miller noted, "Well, she should be," CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 35 OF 39 Deputy Mayor Blake stated, "When the Conference is held in Orlando, of course it is not really in Orlando, it is probably forty-eight (48) miles away, which is just enough to be under fifty (50) if somebody were to develop a policy of that sort. Frankly, 1 don't care if it is - happening in the town 1 would be in. 1 would require that, or would want to require, that the people who are there for the purpose that they are there for, stay there. Because 1 can't tell you how many contacts and friends and associations 1 have developed over the nine (9) different Conferences that 1 have been to, League of Cities, of folks from all across the State, and Florida is an extremely large state." Continuing, Deputy Mayor Blake remarked, "There are a lot of City Managers that go there. 1 think Ron [McLemore] ought to be there. Now, they always carefully schedule it around Budget time. But, he has got to plan his time better, 1 think. Because 1 think it is important for him to be there with us." Commissioner Krebs stated, "I do too." Deputy Mayor Blake added, "I think Anthony [Garganese] should be there, and, he was - periods of time. He wasn't there the whole time." Furthermore, Deputy Mayor Blake stated, "I also think it's important for Andrea [Lorenzo-Luaces] to be there, for qur Clerk to be there. It is a professional position that also can benefit from these same things. 1 don't care if it's in Winter Springs or if it is in Orlando, or if it's down south, or next year it will be up north in Jacksonville. It should be a matter of Policy, and, it should be what we do. It actually should be an assignment, one of the requirements of the job - in order to make sure that we are doing the best job we can do." Commissioner Krebs stated, "And, would you also agree for that for the City Clerk's Conference too that's coming up?" Further brief discussion. Commissioner Krebs then noted, "She is there until 1 :00 in the morning at times cleaning up and then to have to drive home do some work." Deputy Mayor Blake added, "For Andrea [Lorenzo-Luaces], yes, she should go." Commissioner Gilmore stated, "Andrea [Lorenzo-Luaces] is in a Management position, a significant position in this City - it is necessary and it is beneficial to this City that she attend these professional Conferences. Her expenses should be paid; she should not be there on her own time or anything else. This is work. 1 also think because of her position level that she should be in a position to make those proper decisions as to where she should go or not go. 1 don't think she should have to come to the Commission to ask authority to do those things. But, 1 do think she should go. 1 think she should participate and we should pay the bill." Commissioner McGinnis stated, "I agree. 1 think we all agree on that." Mayor Bush stated, "I guess the Commission could handle that at Budget time by putting travel money in the Clerk's Budget." Deputy Mayor Blake stated, "I think it should be already in there." Commissioner Krebs stated, "I think it should be already in there." Mayor Bush asked, "You just don't use it?" Andrea [Lorenzo-Luaces] stated, "Not always." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 36 OF 39 Deputy Mayor Blake stated, "This Commission has only one job that it must do. And, that is set the Policy of the City and we do so, by setting the Budget. The Budget is the vehicle by which we set Policy in this City. And, when we budget for expenditures it is because we expect them to be done. We expect the money to be spent on doing the things that we do. There has always been this ongoing - there is this question about who works for who; and, it is laid out very clearly by our Charter. There are three (3) people that work for us. The City Manager, the City Clerk, and the City Attorney. The City Attorney happens to be a Contractor. We handle him on a Fee basis. We don't handle his Budget. We budget a Department for his fees and legal expenditures, but he is not an employee. The other two (2) are employees, and, they both answer to us. And, we direct what they do by how we create the Budget. And, we also create how Departments operate by the Budget. The Departments are in the day-to-day operation of the City Manager. We do not hire and fire any of them. It is his job. We hold him responsible for every single one. Good, bad, or otherwise. That is what we do. That is the structure that we have here. The problem is when we budget things because we want them done and they don't happen, we should not have to go line item by line item; did we spend this money; why not; why aren't we working on this project; or why aren't we working on this; why aren't we going to this Conference - whatever it happens to be. I think the job of Commission is to make clear that as we continue on through this process of budget setting over the next six (6) weeks, that we make it clear that if we are budgeting something, that we are budgeting it because we expect that money to be spent on providing that service by which ever means is required." Commissioner Krebs stated, "Point of Order. " MOTION TO EXTEND. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. SECONDED BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE. DISCUSSION. VOTE: COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: AYE COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Commissioner Krebs then asked that "The City Manager help us with a Workshop on condo development." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 37 OF 39 .:..:. AGENDA NOTE: THE FOLLOWING REPORT WAS HEARD NEXT, AS DOCUMENTED. .:. .:. REPORTS REPORTS 601. Office Of The City Manager - Ronald W. McLemore Manager McLemore mentioned that a Workshop date needs to be set for an additional Budget Workshop. Secondly, Manager McLemore spoke on a proposed Bid for Refuse Collection. Thirdly, Manager McLemore asked that any directive from the City Commission regarding their desire for him to attend the Florida League of Cities Annual Conference be noted on the Record. Manager McLemore then brought up the Town Center issue. Discussion. "MOTION TO EXTEND THIRTY (30) MINUTES." COMMISSIONER KREBS. MOTION DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND. MOTION BY "I MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND THE MEETING UNTIL THE - MANAGER HAS COMPLETED HIS COMMENTS. MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KREBS. DISCUSSION. VOTE: COMMISSIONER MILLER: AYE COMMISSIONER McGINNIS: AYE COMMISSIONER KREBS: AYE COMMISSIONER GILMORE: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR BLAKE: NAY MOTION CARRIED. Discussion. Tape 4/Side B With further discussion, Manager McLemore stated, "What - will help you get into a comfort zone in dealing with these issues? That's what I am trying to discover." Mayor Bush suggested, "Ron [McLemore], would it maybe be helpful - I think probably a Workshop where you could bring in some Developers, so we could argue with them. And, then - some of this data that you quoted, I know that some of this was presented the other day." CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 38 OF 39 Commissioner Gilmore said, "Our common belief was 'Parking' was the problem." Commissioner Gilmore then stated, "I am hearing the taxpayer doesn't want to pay for a parking garage in the Town Center, let the Developer do it. So, I am saying that the greater the density we go to, the more our parking problems are going to be. And, I don't think bringing in Developers to tell us what they want is a solution to the problem. What they want is more square footage that they can sell, pure, plain, and simple and they don't care how they get it. And it was for this reason when I looked at the projects that came in here today, that were in this item - I said 'I want to see how close they are to the parking garages and everything else because there was no way we were going to provide on-street parking for those people in those condos. It just could not happen. I don't think you need an expert, I think we have to realize and say 'If we put six thousand people into the Town Center, we are going to need five thousand parking spaces. How are we going to get five thousand parking spaces, if we can even get five thousand' ." Manager McLemore said, "I need to know where we go from here." Discussion. Deputy Mayor Blake added, "I am ready to do whatever is necessary. Whatever format you think you need to get us where you need us to be on a decision making note so that we understand what it is. But, I would hope that the Commission would enter into this phase with an open mind and with a very long-term view." With discussion, Commissioner Krebs stated, "But, if you could give me or point me in the direction of some condo areas, units, developments, that you think would be comparable - I would be very happy to visit those, on my own. I will even talk to residents and find out if they have any concerns about anything in their life as far as condo life is concerned. And, I would be happy to do that. Because I too want to make sure that I am making the right decision based on facts. And the kind of facts I'm not looking for at this moment in time are the ones you're going to give me out of the book." Commissioner McGinnis stated, "I recognize that I think we need the segment parking when we talk about parking. It is not just parking. It is commercial parking and it is residential parking. I don't have a problem with commercial parking and I agree - we have really got to deal with the parking at the Town Center." Commissioner Gilmore asked, "Who is providing the parking?" Discussion. r CITY OF WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA MINUTES CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING - AUGUST 22, 2005 PAGE 39 OF 39 A Budget Workshop date was then discussed; to which Manager McLemore explained, "I was hoping at the next Meeting we would have enough information to lay everything out before you - your list and everything, options as to what to do." Mayor Bush asked, "Can we do this on the 8th [of September 2005]?" Commissioner Krebs said, "I can do it - the 8th [of September 2005]." With discussion, Mayor Bush noted, "Six o'clock [p.m.]." No objections were noted. Commissioner Miller departed the Meeting at 1 :00 a.m. Brief discussion. ADJOURNMENT Mayor Bush adjourned the Meeting at 1 :01 a.m. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED: A LORENZO-LUACES, CMC I Y CLERK APPROVED: A~ NOTE: These Minutes were approved at the September 12,2005 Regular City Commission Meeting.