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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2019 10 14 City Commission Regular Meeting MinutesCITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING MINUTES DAY, OCTOBER 14, 2019 AT 6:30 P CITY HALL - COMMISSION CHAMBERS 1126 EAST STATE ROAD 434, WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA CALL TO ORDER The Regular Meeting of Monday, October 14, 2019 of the City Commission was called to Order by Mayor Charles Lacey at 6:30 p.m. in the Commission Chambers of the Municipal Building (City Hall, 1126 East State Road 434, Winter Springs, Florida 32708). Roll Call: Mayor Charles Lacey, present Deputy Mayor Kevin Cannon, present Commissioner Jean Hovey, present Commissioner Ted Johnson, present Commissioner TiAnna Hale, present Commissioner Geoff Kendrick, present City Manager Shawn Boyle, present City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, absent Senior City Attorney Kristin Eick, present City Clerk Andrea Lorenzo-Luaces, present A moment of silence was held, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance. Regarding the Agenda, Mayor Lacey said to the City Commission, "May we adopt the Agenda as presented?" Deputy Mayor Kevin Cannon noted that he wanted to address Informational Agenda Item "201." Commissioner Geoff Kendrick added that he wished to speak on Consent Agenda Item "301" to which Deputy Mayor Cannon said that he also wanted to comment on that Agenda Item. AWARDS AND PRESENTATIONS 100. Seminole County Property Appraiser David Johnson to provide a Presentation related to current market and trends. Mr. David Johnson, Seminole County Property Appraiser addressed the Mayor and City Commission on median home prices, exemptions, and pointed out that approximately eighty-six percent (86%) of the City of Winter Springs was considered residential, with the rest being commercial. Continuing, Mr. Johnson reviewed some of the different levels between commercial and residential in the various cities of Seminole County, and pointed out that there were approximately 1,900 apartments units in Winter Springs in comparison to the total of about 36,000 for all of Seminole County. Furthermore, Mr. Johnson addressed the remaining developable land in Winter Springs, demands for housing, the quality of life in Winter Springs as well as Seminole County, and home sales. Mayor Lacey inquired when data would be compiled for 2020 to which Mr. Johnson suggested around March 2020. Next, regarding when a property would be added to tax rolls, Mr. Johnson explained that it was when property was deemed "substantially complete" and usually determined through the inspections process. Discussion ensued on workforce housing, value ranges, and Mr. Johnson explained that spending no more than thirty percent (30%) of one's income was considered a gauge related to workforce housing price points. Further remarks followed on apartments, that very few apartments being built in Seminole County would be considered as workforce housing, new projects planned for Seminole County, multi -family projects, a new hospital facility in Lake Mary, density, the former golf course near the Highlands community, sizes of residences, workforce housing, occupancy levels, investors, and that Mr. Johnson could possibly provide City Staff with data regarding which properties were homesteaded and which were not. CPA's (Community Redevelopment Agency) were addressed next and Mr. Johnson suggested that City Staff could get with Seminole County on any possible opportunities and potential partnerships. 101. Presentation of Lifesaving Awards to Officer Kyle Harrop, Officer Jesus Hilerio, Officer Jacob Holcomb, Officer Christopher Roland, and Sergeant Shaun Philbrook. Chief of Police Chris Deisler spoke of opioid challenges in Seminole County and commended the recent valuable lifesaving efforts by Winter Springs' Officer Kyle Harrop, Officer Jacob Holcomb, Officer Christopher Roland, Sergeant Shaun Philbrook, and Officer Andrew Jones. Those present received awards and were personally commended by the Mayor and City Commission. 102. Presentation from the Winter Springs Performing Arts Center Mr. Michael Radka addressed the Mayor and City Commission on plans for a Winter Springs Performing Arts Center, and an anonymous large donation they received which allowed property to be purchased. Mr. Radka further commented on potential fundraising conversations, the desire to bring value to our community, as well as the importance of listening. Mayor Lacey mentioned he thought this proposed project was needed to complete the Town Center, and that overall, he felt the City Commission was supportive of such an effort. Deputy Mayor Cannon and Commissioner Kendrick both spoke of their support for such a concept. Commissioner Ted Johnson complimented Mr. and Mrs. Batchelor for their particular efforts with some special needs children. INFORMATIONAL AGENDA 200. Current Development Projects Update There was no discussion on this Agenda Item. 201. Consideration for Merging Bicycle and Pedestrian Advisory Committee With Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee Deputy Mayor Cannon spoke of many bicycle, pedestrian issues, and said that he was not in favor of merging the two (2) Committees as suggested in the Agenda Item, and commented on some bicycle and pedestrian related matters that he thought should be addressed. Along these lines, Deputy Mayor Cannon noted some concerns with the area near Barrington Estates, missing sidewalks, an area near Vistawilla Drive and the Cross Seminole Trail, problems he was aware of on Hayes Road, Moss Road, and Edgemon Avenue. Deputy Mayor Cannon then suggested adding button access like there is on Aloma Avenue, recent Appointments, and also mentioned a recent accident that involved a bicycle near the Parkstone community. Deputy Mayor Cannon thought the Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee had enough to do, and added that bicyclists often don't stop. Commissioner Kendrick spoke of his previous service on the Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee, said he would like to hear from Staff, and was supportive of what would work best. Commissioner TiAnna Hale mentioned that she recently attended a Seminole County Initiative called "Best Foot Forward" and noted that it focused on engineering, enforcement, and education; and remarked that we should provide more awareness on crosswalk safety. Further brief remarks. Mr. Chris Caldwell, Director, Parks and Recreation Department and Mr. Christopher Schmidt, Director, Community Development Department explained what their plans were. Deputy Mayor Cannon suggested that he could forward complaints that he had received to the City Manager, and thought the other Commissioners could do the same. Commissioner Jean Hovey asked that should this happen, would additional Members be added to the Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee or would the Bicycle and Pedestrian Advisory Committee Members be absorbed? Mr. Caldwell stated, "Absorb and the natural attrition would take place, butwe would combine the groups together and the natural attrition is where some folks don't want to get reappointed again - choose not to be reappointed and then it would slowly reduce that number to where it's more of a manageable group. They would be absorbed." Commissioner Hovey then inquired if Staff had contacted the Chairperson of the Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee, to which Mr. Caldwell said they had not yet, as they wanted to advise the Mayor and City Commission first. Commissioner Hovey suggested that Staff speak with the Chairperson of the Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee and then advise the City Commission. Next, Commissioner Kendrick referenced the planned upcoming quarterly meetings, agreed with Commissioner Hovey's suggestion that Chairperson Nussbaum be contacted, concurred with Deputy Mayor Cannon that comments from residents be forwarded to Manager Boyle, and thought this could be readdressed further next year. In other City business, Mayor Lacey referenced the missing link near Layer Elementary School and a planned completion date. In terms of trying to expedite this matter, Deputy Mayor Cannon noted, "If there's anything we can do - if it is the Consensus of the Commission, I would like to ask a letter be sent by our City Manager to the County Manager saying, can we try and move that along faster." Mayor Lacey inquired, "Is it the Consensus that we ask Shawn (Boyle) to write a letter to Nicole Guillot?" Commissioner Kendrick stated, "Absolutely." Members of the City Commission nodded in agreement. Deputy Mayor Cannon added, "If you could Shawn (Boyle, City Manager)." No objections were voiced. PUBLIC INPUT Mayor Lacey opened "Public Input". Ms. Gina Shafer, Winter Springs Village, Winter Springs, Florida: asked the City Commission to consider changing an Ordinance related to the length of time that vehicles can be parked in the Town Center. Discussion followed with Chief Deisler on time frames, tags, locations where vehicles can be parked, and right-of-ways. Manager Boyle said he would get with Ms. Shafer on the matter that she mentioned and would come back with some recommendations. Deputy Mayor Cannon noted some past on -street parking changes, and that he was interested in looking into situations where cars had not been moved in a long time, as well as parking and right-of-ways. Continuing, Deputy Mayor Cannon added that he would like such matters looked into including the applicable Ordinance. Deputy Mayor Cannon further added that should other Ordinances need to be reviewed, that the City Commission could help in changing any Ordinances. Ms. DollyAmes, 7503rd Street, Winter Springs, Florida: referenced some information she had provided to the Mayor and City Commission regarding people not walking dogs on leashes and related potential dangers and risks, especially for pets and children. Commissioner Johnson commented about dog bites, a personal situation, and suggested, "Information needs to go to every citizen in the City and I would encourage anybody in the City who is aware of people who are dog owners that are not being responsible, to call it in right away." In terms of enforcement, Chief Deisler said that the Police could be called regarding any issues in the City. Remarks followed on possibly including a flyer in water bills and the associated costs. Manager Boyle asked if the City Commission would consider letting Staff first try an online campaign. Deputy Mayor Cannon added, "My suggestion is that we do an aggressive public relations social media campaign - and frankly, that we also maybe have Brooke (Procell, Social Media & Marketing Coordinator) come up with a nice little poster and hand them out" Deputy Mayor Cannon thought that Veterinarians in the City could help get this information out, and perhaps we could have some signage near trails and other locations around the City, that dogs must be on leashes. Mayor Lacey then inquired, "Is there Consensus to take the consolidated ideas from the City Manager and the Deputy Mayor just enunciated? Everyone in agreement with that?" No objections were noted. Commissioner Hovey added, "We also have a couple of events coming up there that the Police Department and the City can hand out the flyers." Further remarks continued. Mayor Lacey said to Manager Boyle, "Are you comfortable with the direction you are hearing?" Manager Boyle responded, "I will do it." Mayor Lacey closed "Public Input". CONSENT AGENDA 300. Interlocal Agreement Between the Seminole County Sheriffs Office, Seminole County City Municipalities, the Sanford Airport Authority, and Seminole County Public Schools - E911 Protocols. This Agenda Item was not discussed. 301. Winter Springs Defined Pension Plan Assumed Rate of Return Modification Commissioner Kendrick complimented Manager Boyle and his Finance team for their great efforts; and then said to Ms. Kelly Balagia, Director, Finance Department, "Thank you so much for everything that you do. The way that you and the Board of Trustees - the way that you handle our Defined Benefit Plan, and our Pension, is the best in the State!" With further comments, Commissioner Kendrick added, "Job well done and the Board of Trustees are doing an outstanding job under your leadership." Deputy Mayor Cannon thanked Manager Boyle for his work with the Incremental changes that were being made, and what might be considered going forward. 302. City Manager Contract This Agenda Item was not discussed. 303. 2019 Chamber ARToberFEST - Festival of the Arts This Agenda Item was not discussed. 304. Minutes from the Monday, September 23, 2019 City Commission Regular Meeting This Agenda Item was not discussed. Regarding the Consent Agenda, Mayor Lacey asked if there was a Motion to Approve. "MOTION TO APPROVE." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR CANNON. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. DISCUSSION. VOTE: COMMISSIONER HALE: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR CANNON: AYE COMMISSIONER JOHNSON: AYE COMMISSIONER HOVEY: NAY COMMISSIONER KENDRICK: AYE MOTION CARRIED. PUBLIC HEARINGS AGENDA 400. Not Used REGULAR AGENDA 500. Utilities Operations, Maintenance, and Management Services Agreement with Veolia Water North America - South, LLC Ms. Lena Rivera, P.E., D.WRE, Director, Public Works and Utilities Departments introduced this Agenda Item. Comments followed on the scope of work, the Contract, distribution, related time frames, and TTHMs (Total Trihalomethanes). Mr. Rob Nicholas, Vice President Development - PPS, Veolia North America, S077 Endview Pass, Brooksville, Florida: stated, "We talked about - the hydraulic model needs to be updated; it should be focused so that you start where you're having your most problems. The second thing that we did - I think we're getting or we have this evening, got the history of complaints, the history of your lab results out in the system, so that those can be put on a map - so, that we know exactly where the problems are occurring in the City. That will then help the Engineers when they run the hydraulic model to look at age of water and what the flow sequencing is." Continuing, Mr. Nicholas added, "Part of the transition plan that we've worked out together is we've already got the water quality expert targeted for a specific date here early in November to come look at the plant." Furthermore, Mr. Nicholas said, "It obviously is a problem, and we're focused on it. We've got a plan and we've got a schedule." Deputy Mayor Cannon thought that the contract should include that Veolia should also staff the Emergency Operations Center (EOC) during storm events to which Mr. Nicholas noted, "I think we changed language to include the EOC (Emergency Operations Center) and we staffed the EOC in the last hurricane event - we're prepared and ready to do that." Manager Boyle said, "I need to amend the Recommendation to include permission by the City Attorney to make some slight modifications to a couple of the paragraphs. It's all dealing with copyrights of software that he owns. It has nothing to do with the operation of the plant and the data that we own - we didn't get a chance to make some slight tweaks to it." Deputy Mayor Cannon commented that the request was related to intellectual property and stated, "The data that is generated, we will have that data..." Manager Boyle remarked, "...We'll own it..." Deputy Mayor Cannon confirmed, "...We will own it." "1 MAKE THE MOTION MAYOR THAT WE APPROVE THE VEOLIA CONTRACT IN ITEM `500' OF THE AGENDA - WITH LATITUDE TO THE CITY ATTORNEY TO MAKE SLIGHT REVISIONS TO THE LANGUAGE THEREIN WITH RESPECT TO VEOLIA'S INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR CANNON. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HALE. DEPUTY MAYOR CANNON SPOKE OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS CONTRACT, REFERENCED PAST WATER ISSUES IN FLINT, MICHIGAN, AND PROVIDED A COPY OF A TASK FORCE REPORT FOR THE RECORD. MR. NICHOLAS SAID, "IN THE CONTRACT, IT SPECIFIES WHEN YOU ALL VOTED BEFORE, YOU TALKED ABOUT HAVING AN AUDIT, TO GET RECORDS; THAT IS ACTUALLY WORKED INTO THE CONTRACT. ALL OF US MADE SURE THAT IT WAS INCLUDED IN THERE AND WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME, PARTICULARLY WITH KELLY, ABOUT HOW TO MONITOR US FINANCIALLY, HOW TO LOOK AT THE MAINTENANCE COSTS AND THE MAINTENANCE RECORDS, SO WE'RE VERY COGNIZANT OF THAT AND WE'VE BEEN VERY OPEN WITH LENA (RIVERA) ABOUT HOW WE DO THINGS AND IT'S CERTAINLY IN THE CONTRACT LANGUAGE AS WELL." DEPUTY MAYOR CANNON POINTED OUT THAT THE DOCUMENT HE WAS PROVIDING FOR THE RECORD WAS THE "MARCH 2O16 FLINT WATER ADVISORY TASK FORCE FINAL REPORT." COMMISSIONER KENDRICK COMMENDED MANAGER BOYLE, AND THEN COMMENTED ON DYNAMICS, THANKED THE VENDOR FOR THEIR PARTNERSHIP, AND SPOKE OF DEPUTY MAYOR CANNON'S RESEARCH." VOTE: COMMISSIONER KENDRICK: AYE COMMISSIONER JOHNSON: AYE COMMISSIONER HOVEY: AYE COMMISSIONER HALE: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR CANNON: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Further remarks followed on another community and their water system. Comments continued. REPORTS 600. City Attorney Anthony A. Garganese, Esquire Senior City Attorney Eick had no Report. 601. City Manager Shawn Boyle Manager Boyle recognized Mr. Schmidt on his success with bringing the City's Comprehensive Plan into compliance. 602. City Clerk Andrea Lorenzo-Luaces, MMC No Report. 603. Seat Two Commissioner/Deputy Mayor Kevin Cannon Regarding the Comprehensive Plan updates, Mr. Schmidt noted, "Now that the Intergov has been found in compliance, we will continue with the other Elements, but we can start processing Comp[rehensive] Plan Amendments." Deputy Mayor Cannon commended Mr. Schmidt on being so responsive. Next, Deputy Mayor Cannon mentioned that he enjoyed planting trees on the Trail and there were more to come. Concluding his Report, Deputy Mayor Cannon said that he planned to attend a Cybersecurity meeting next week. 604. Seat Three Commissioner Ted Johnson Commissioner Johnson commended Chief Deisler on his recent Promotions Ceremony and offered his compliments to the honorees. Commissioner Johnson added, "Very well done." Secondly, Commissioner Johnson mentioned a recent Oviedo -Winter Springs Regional Chamber of Commerce meeting which he thought was very interesting. Thirdly, Commissioner Johnson spoke of attending a Winter Springs Performing Arts Center occasion, which he enjoyed. Related to the planting of trees along the Trail, Commissioner Johnson said that he was very pleased to have participated in that initiative. Next, Commissioner Johnson noted that this Thursday evening at City Hall, a community Workshop for the Gatherings at the Winter Springs Town Center was scheduled. The Oviedo -Winter Springs Regional Chamber of Commerce's OCTOBERFEST event which would be held this coming weekend was then mentioned, to which Commissioner Johnson said that he was looking forward to attending. Commissioner Johnson spoke of anticipating going to the Fall Festival hosted bythe Oak Forest community, to be held on October the 26tn Lastly, Commissioner Johnson recognized Ms. Rivera, Mr. Clifton Mullis Public Works Supervisor, Mr. AlbericJemison (AJ), StormwaterTeam Leader, and Mr. Paul Morrison, Utilities Superintendent for their very prompt handling of a resident issue. Commissioner Johnson added, "It is all about service; and your Department is excellent with that and I appreciate it." 605. Seat Four Commissioner TiAnna Hale Brief comments. Commissioner Hale also spoke of the Oviedo -Winter Springs Regional Chamber of Commerce's OCTOBERFEST event which would be held this coming weekend. Next, Commissioner Hale referenced City Government Week and enriching the value of life for our residents. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE EXTEND THE MEETING TO INCLUDE THE REST OF REPORTS AND FOR SECOND PUBLIC INPUT." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR CANNON. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. DISCUSSION. MOTION CARRIED_ UNANIMOUSLY. Continuing with her Report, Commissioner Hale noted that City Government Week begins on October 215t. and added that she would be participating with the Federal Action Strike Team on a trip to Washington D.C. on behalf of the Florida League of Cities, and said that if any residents had any concerns with national issues to contact her. Next, Commissioner Hale then complimented the Police Department and said to Chief Deisler, "You just have an amazing team, " Concluding her Report, Commissioner Hale mentioned that an Honor Flight Central Florida trip would be going to Washington D.C. soon, and that an Orientation for the Honor Flight Central Florida organization had been held this past Saturday. Also related to Veterans, Commissioner Hale noted that unfortunately, a couple of WWII Veterans had recently passed away and asked everyone to keep their families in their thoughts. 606. Seat Five Commissioner Geoff Kendrick Commissioner Kendrick also offered his compliments to Chief Deisler on the recent Promotions Ceremony. Next, Commissioner Kendrick pointed out that tomorrow was "Coffee with a Cop" day at the Winter Springs' Starbucks from 9:00 a.m. until 11:00 a.m. The upcoming Tri-County League of Cities scheduled for October 17th, 2019 was addressed next to which Commissioner Kendrick noted that this event would be held in Oviedo and that local Chamber of Commerce representatives would be speaking to the attendees. Commissioner Kendrick also referenced the upcoming OCTOBERFEST that was scheduled for the upcoming weekend. Continuing, Commissioner Kendrick noted that he had been working with Keeth Elementary School to organize a Flag Exchange Ceremony which will be held on the forthcoming Veterans Day, beginning at 8:30 a.m., on the front lawn of their school, and added that everyone was welcome to attend. Commissioner Kendrick pointed out that Winter Springs High School's Homecoming Parade was scheduled for 6:00 p.m. on Monday, October 28th, 2019 and inquired if the City Commission Regular Meeting for October 28, 2019 could possibly be postponed or changed so that the City Commission as a group could attend and support Winter Springs High School's Homecoming Parade. Comments ensued that there were no urgent matters that had to be discussed on October 28, 2019, therefore the City Commission could hold off until the next scheduled November 18, 2019 Regular Meeting. Remarks followed with Mr. Caldwell as to whether the City could get a float for the Mayor and City Commission in the Homecoming Parade, albeit at a practical cost. REGARDING CANCELING THE OCTOBER 28T", 2019 REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY COMMISSION, "MOTION TO CANCEL." MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR CANNON. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HALE. DISCUSSION. MAYOR LACEY SUMMARIZED, "WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CANCEL THE MEETING ON OCTOBER 28T":' VOTE: COMMISSIONER JOHNSON: AYE COMMISSIONER HOVEY: AYE COMMISSIONER HALE: AYE COMMISSIONER KENDRICK: AYE DEPUTY MAYOR CANNON: AYE MOTION CARRIED. Mayor Lacey pointed out that the next Regular Meeting of the City Commission would be held on November 18, 2019. Commissioner Hovey asked what the City Commission would do if they did not get a float, would they walk in the Parade or something else? With further comments, Commissioner Kendrick said he would be in touch with the Principal of Winter Springs High School later tonight, and would keep everyone informed. In terms of whether Staff could get a float within a couple of weeks, Manager Boyle said, "We'll give you an answer by Wednesday." Regarding the size of a float, remarks followed on how many individuals might be on such a City float, to which Manager Boyle stated, "The probability is greater if it's just the six (6) of you." Commissioner Hovey suggested it should just be for the Elected Officials. Other Commissioners said they liked that suggestion. No objections were voiced. Next, Commissioner Kendrick said that he had spoken with Florida Representative David Smith who had filed some water related Bills, and Commissioner Kendrick said he planned to do what he could to assist; and also thanked Manager Boyle for his cooperation during this process. Commissioner Kendrick offered some personal comments, and also complimented Mr. Radka on his work with the Winter Springs Performing Arts Center. 607. Mayor Charles Lacey No Report. 608. Seat One Commissioner Jean Hovey Commissioner Hovey noted that on the 26th of October, a Craft Fair would be held at the Winter Springs Senior Center.. Next, Commissioner Hovey spoke to Manager Boyle about the importance of finishing the Cross Seminole Trail project. In other Reports, Deputy Mayor Cannon referenced the last City Commission Meeting and stated that Seminole County Commissioner Bob Dallari had said they were waiting on a letter from the City to have Seminole County's Engineering and Traffic divisions work with the City; and hoped Manager Boyle could assist with this. Further remarks. PUBLIC INPUT Mayor Lacey opened "Public Input". Mr. Maurice Kaprow, Post Office Box 795233 Winter Springs, Florida: commended Ms. Rivera on recent repairs her Staff did in the area of Oscelot Trail and Howell Creek Drive Road; and mentioned his concern that many bicyclists often do not follow traffic laws, don't stop when they should, and hoped better enforcement could be imposed. Mrs. Gina Shafer, Winter Springs Village, Winter Springs, Florida: spoke of the speed along State Road 434 being reduced, hoped that the extra greenspace that Dream Finders Homes had offered could be utilized by the City as there was a great need for areas where dogs could be walked, and asked if the City had become a member of an organization which might help with acquiring Grant monies. Deputy Mayor Cannon thought that going forward, the City needed to make sure we designate specific spaces for walking dogs in future development projects. Mayor Lacey said the City was aware of these issues; Commissioner Kendrick mentioned some planned changes were in the works; and Commissioner Johnson suggested the City could look into some potentially available parcels the City owned which could possibly be cleared out and used for walking dogs. Mr. James Evans, 277AImaden Court, Winter Springs, Florida: mentioned there were two (2) Trunk or Treat events, one at Winter Springs High School on October 241h and another at Winter Springs Elementary School on October 251h; and also referenced the upcoming OCTOBERFEST event which he thought was a great occasion. Mayor Lacey closed "Public Input". Commissioner Hovey thanked Chief Deisler and his Staff for handling some issues on Cortez related to speeding and illegal parking. Further comments ensued on upcoming events. ADJOURNMENT Mayor Lacey adjourned the Regular Meeting at 8:56 p.m. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED: ANDREA i_ORENZO-LUACES, MMC CITY CLERK APPROVED: MAYON CHARL-S C NOTE: These Minutes were approved at the November 18, 2019 City Commission Regular Meeting.